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Game 156, Mariners at White Sox
Feierabend versus Garcia.
Betancourt’s back! Oh thank goodness.
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Betancourt back, and Doyle playing too….
And Garcia’s beard looks ugly.
$9m for this year of Freddy. Mmm-mm.
Hargrove said “fuck” on camera! That was awesome.
Hargrove=Bert Blevlyn.
What agreaceful catch by Ibanez…..wow
So, the sox anouncers say our pitcher’s name is “Fearbend”. Is that the correct pronounciation?
Can watch the game on WGN as well. Fun to listen to someone other than the usual suspects commenting on Mariners’ playing.
We get Felix for another last start, followed by Woods for the last game? Wow, that makes one more game worth seeing – though I’m going to try and see them all, I think. ESPN has it as
Monday – Baek
Tuesday – Woods
Wednesday – Meche
Friday – Hernandez
Saturday – ?
So wait, there’s an interesting question there: if the broadcast crew is right, they need to stuff another pitcher in there again.
Hernandez won’t pitch. There’s no way Hargrove won’t let him.
umm… there’s a contradiction there
C’mon Snelling. Show Hargrove you deserve to start every game.
Ichiro! you suck!
Great clutch hitting Mariners!
OMG I MUST BUY SEASON TICKETS FOR NEXT YEAR!!
Uh. No-hitter by Freddy. *Jinx*.
Freddy’s new split can’t make him this unhittable, can it?
Ok, that was a bad bunt. But seriously, arguments that Ichiro doesn’t go all out are laughable.
Brian Anderson eats Mariners’ top pitching prospects alive.
First MLB run given up by Feierabend.
This’ll be the first off-season in years where the Yankees and Red Sox weren’t both representing the AL. Nice.
But even more interesting, if it ends as it stands today:
Yankees last played last year, Oakland in 2003, Minnesota in 2004, and Detroit in 1987.
C’mon Ryan.
I’m glad the White Sox aren’t going to the playoffs. I never want the a team to win it if they won the WS the year before.
Yes! the no-hitter is broken up!
Have we ever seen Coach Owens and DJC in the same location at the same time?!
Drayer said the rotation was given to them as Jimenez, woods, Meche, Ryan, Felix and poss. Jimenez again… Baek has a stiff arm, Joel has suckitude.
think the Ms could take some pitches? huh? it’s weirding me out to have Freddy pitching fast like this … I want some of that patented meanering around the mound and fretting.
Speaking of Corco where is he, anyone know?
Mr. Clutch hit AKA Lopez is now, Mr. Can’t Get A Clutch Hit If His Life Depended On It.
What on earth has Jimenez done to warrant one start, much less two? Not saying he still isn’t a great prospect, but hasn’t he completely proven he isn’t ready for MLB pitching this year?
30
I mean ready for major league HITTING…gotta…get…mind…off of Seahawks…for another…hour
I’m thinking about getting out for a bike ride instead of watching football after this game gets done.
#30– I dunno yet– he’s had 1 inning where he was prepared to come in in relief and got outof it cleanly, and two times when he’s been thrown out there suddenly (after Baek got hit around & was pulled at 3 1/3, and when Washburn strained his calf) and got hit around. Lets see what he does with an actual start.
Lets get this youngster some runs and see him get his first ML win!
Not watching the ‘Hawks, eh?
God. Anderson is just feasting on Ryan’s pitching tonight.
Never mind, gameday said it was a basehit at first.
I spent a month in Europe without getting a chance to ride anywhere, and I’ve been twitching to get out ever since. Of course, now that I’m unemployed, the real fun’s going to be getting out on weekdays with less traffic. Oooooh yeah.
#35 — didn’t he have a game vs the Ms last year where he hit a couple of homers?
I went for a nice stroll, myself- it’s def. warming up out there
33
Well, for WHATEVER reason, he’s gotten bludgeoned his last two outings, so hopefully you’re right. I’d hate to think were throwing a way two more chances to win this year.
I still can’t believe Grover continues to find ways to lose like yesterday’s puzzling decisions. (The young lefty gets left in after the error to get hammered and gorgeous George gets kicked to the curb after ONE BATTER, just to let Piniero in…sigh)
just think of it as giving Joel another chance to drive a nail into his own coffin
DMZ
Not to stray too off topic here, but not counting 1995, what’s the most exciting M’s game you’ve ever been to?
This where you make your money, c’mon Beltre!
An x-base hit here would be reeeal nice
i went to a M’s game once, in 1996. my only one.
Or an RBI single…
Nice Beltre!
Jophjima needs to give Freedy some retribution for being nailed!
Must remember to proof read
Curse of the #3 hole.
Did Valle really say Uribe hit the hr and not Anderson? I couldn’t think of two more completely different looking players on their team.
I gotta say the Mike Cameron extra-inning game-winning grand slam, which I saw with Jason and Dave. Great game, great company, great ending.
Other than that, it’d probably be one of Randy’s crazy near-no-hitters.
Hey I always get Valle and Hendu mixed up because they’re both idiots who are really annoying.
Wait, it wasn’t extra-inning, it was in the bottom of the 9th.
http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B04220SEA2003.htm
51. Cameron’s or Boone’s?
Hey, Freddy was pitching in that game too?
Hey I always get Valle and Hendu mixed up because they’re both idiots who are really annoying.
Me too. I handy guide is that Hendu is always bragging about who he used to play with.
I have a soft spot for a ’99 game at Safeco, because Moyer had pitched a gem, something like 8 innings of 1-run ball, finally Griffey hit a 2-run HR in the bottom of the 8th to get them both on the board & give them the lead and then Mesa blew the save; bottom of the 9th, Tom Lampkin of all people won the game with a HR off Billy Koch to get the win….
that was the year Mesa just killed Moyer– esp. in the Safeco opener.
DMZ
Funny you should bring that up. My dad came over to watch that with me and left after Cleveland scored in the 9th thinking we were doomed. When he got home he couldn’t believe that we had won.
I was a this game with my dad, as we used to drive the 500 or so miles for at least one series a year when I was growing up:
Effin’ Mike Gallego
57. Hey I like Tom Lampkin he was a good backup catcher.
Hendu played in that game?
Sigh
Raul absolutely works Garcia for a long 10-11 pitch at bat…and Sexson bails Freddy out by swinging at the first pitch, way inside
60
Yep. Funny how THAT isn’t one of the games he seems to brag about, lol
Hey Derek you should do a Seahawks game thread.
You’ll have to go let the air out of his bicycle tires first
Why is Ryan still in there?
Hey Coach Owens no I shouldn’t.
Told you Anderson is feasting on him.
I’m already checking the tires and stuff during commercial breaks
66. Hey calm down. Just a thought.
man, and Gio Carrera vultured the win….
#59– I like Tom too, but if you looked at that lineup, he wouldn’t be the first guy you’d pick for the walkoff HR….
Uh, what’s not calm about that, guy who made 50% of all comments yesterday?
68. Hilarious.
71. I can tell. I think of people saying stuff like that and they’re all angry when they said it.
so how much of this should we put down to Freddy and how much to the impatient Mariner batting line-up….
I think maybe they are ready for this last road trip to be over.
You should read this, Coach Owens, as you are a really poor reader of tone.
The M’s are ready for this season to be over.
74. No this is what the Mariners did all year. They blow a lead, lose and then go on a long losing streak. That’s why they’re not in contention.
Dave ran through it again–
Jimenez vs Loiaza
Woods vs Harden
Meche vs Zito
(can I hope they clinch today, so they don’t do it in Safeco?)
Feierabend
Felix on saturday
Woods
75. What does that have to do with reading tone?
apparently Joh isn’t ready for the year to be over
KENJI! MY MAN!
DMZ
On the OPPOSITE end of the spectrum, me and some guys from college drove up to the ol’ Kingdome to check out a three game series and here’s why we could only stand to stay for two. (I suppose these count as the two classic kinds of difficult losses)
Opps. Wrong link. Should have been this one which is about how bad people are about reading tone in email/etc while believing they’re really good.
Oooh, they put in Scary Matt Thornton.
Oops
These are the ugly boxes. I challenge ANYONE to top two ugler consecutive games than these:
Pre-Ayala debacle
Just plain UGLY
Johjima is pretty great. I’ve probably only seen 25-30 games this season, but I swear I’ve seen at least ten Kenji home runs. I’ve also seen a number of passed balls and stolen bases on him. Is there a consensus on his defensive ability, now that we’ve seen a full season with him?
I love when Rick sorta screws up his sentence construction so you get
Rick: “…has a right hander warming up in the bullpen, Richie Sexson…”
Me: “What?”
Rick: “…is due up next..”
I’d feel much better if I knew Dye planned that basket catch all along as he slipped
While DMZ is biking, I’ll be flying to Dallas. Oh boy.
sigh. remember the bullpen at the start of the year? the one where Fruto wouldn’t be called in to hold a game, with Joel warming up to come in?
ah, Dave at the end of a long season– “Pineiro was completely ineffective yesterday”
As usual, Sherrill gets ONE batter with NO margin of error, but Fruto, O’Flaherty, Piniero…all get to eff us up for multiple batters…sigh
Bobby Valentine’s Porn Mustache Does Dallas? Yikes.
Oh hooray! Joel will save us!
Bleh, that’s the end of the season for me.
Well, Pineiro gets another chance to be effective…
Gee. Joel gave up a grand slam? How did that happen?
Oh wait. He sucks.
Good thing we got Sherrill out of there
Grover should be fired on the spot. What’s sad is that this is probably the same moves he’d make even if first place was in sight
PLEASE tell me this Piniero garbage (coming in AGAIN to kill us) is some sort of camera trick and/or sick joke
While I typed my previous post and tried to check the win-expectancy finder (walkoffbalk is broken, apparently), Pineiro serves up a good one. Sorry, I am off to watch the seahawks, now…
LOPEZZZZZZZZZZZ!
The manager is unhappy. Then, the crowd is unhappy.
It’s funny how bad Pineiro is.
The streak is over!
and the Angels are jumping on the A’s early, adding to the chance that we get to watch them clinch the West at home tomorrow….
Yahoo can’t figure out what the hell is going on– they had the score as 20-10 a minute ago, then just corrected it to 4-3.
It’s not just Yahoo. ESPN had the White Sox scoring 10 in the first and -5 in the fifth for a while. I feel like I have no idea what’s actually happening in the game.
Bobby Valentine’s Porn Mustache Does Dallas? Yikes.
Yup. I’m flying in as late as possible and leaving as early as possible. Can you tell I dislike Dallas?
no, wait, it’s now 6-3 per Yahoo.
you know, that has to be the worst feeling, to get back on the field knowing your team has pulled to one run, and then have to watch your pitcher(s) just give it all back again.
Raul!
I’m glad Raul got #30. He’s close to 120 RBI, too. He’s had a nice year.
I would feel a small flicker of hope for the M’s next year except for the fact that Hargrove will be the manager. The would be better off with no manager – let Ichi do it.
How much do you want to bet that Hargrove is not the manager next year? Seriously, let’s set up an escrow or something, I’ll be happy to take your money.
Here’s an unusual line:
Thornton – 0.0, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 SO.
So, how’d you figure that K/9 out?
112. I don’t think you can. You can just add a strikeout to his total.
DIVISION BY ZERO!
OH SHI~!
+++ATH0
111. DMZ, I thought the media consensus last week was that the firings of Hassey and Rohn was to indicate to the fans and the world at large that Hargrove and Bavasi, at least, are tight and both will be back next year. ??
That may well be true that that was the consensus. I wasn’t here last week. I don’t buy it.
Yeah, DMZ, like it or not. Hargrove will be back.
To underscore my feeling s about how much that sad, cold fact scares me and fills me with complete bile and digust, chew on the consideration that his buddy, Ron Hassey, was his sacrifical lamb so that he can maintain his job.
Hargrove wanted Rohn- Bavasi’s guy- gone. For Bavasi to relent, Hargrove has to get rid of one of his guys, and thus Mike threw Ron under the bus. What a pal!
So, sadly, this means the dynamic dup of Bavasi-Hargrove are working together to fill these coaches’ spots in the organization.
All of this could mean nothing- Hargrove could still get fired *fingers crossed* But it aint happeneing.
Besides, it took three consecutive late-season collapes in Baltimore before he was told to ‘git.’ In the eyes of the M’s brain trust, and of your average fan, the M’s have ‘improved’ this year.
So I’m saying he’s staying, like it or not… *sigh*
Asserting that it will be so does not ensure that it will be so.
I obviously disagree.
Well Derek don’t be disappointed when he doesn’t get fired. The Mariners are improved by 6 wins already so as long as that happens he’s not going to get fired. So face the facts and don’t be disappointed.
#120 I would tend to trust DMZ and the rest. They know more than we do.
All we have to go on is a few Steve Kelly articles and some other Seattle newspaper specualtion.
Derek is more accurate and on the ball than Steve “Doh!” Kelly.
Then where’s the case for Hargrove’s firing? Is it something akin to reading tea leaves, or is there blatant, obvious evidence that Hargrove is going to be absent from the Mariners’ dugout next season?
DMZ, the problem with stating that Hargrove won’t be around next season despite all the signs pointing to the contrary is that its getting peoples’ hopes up.
I want to believe you. So… make me believe you.
I want to believe you. So… make me believe you.
If you don’t want to believe it, then anything he says won’t be convincing.
The thing is…ANY plausible scenario can be spun out of the known facts. Rohn gone? Lincoln told Bavasi to let him go because he was insubordinate. Hassey gone? Could be that Hargrove could stay only if he fired all his coaches [which doesn't work anyway]…or that Hargrove and Hassey were given the choice to leave now or at the end of the year, and Hargrove decided to wait until the end of the year.
The team HAS done better than last year…but the team was often not prepared and they didnt play well against divisional opponents. Bavasi is known to be loyal to employees—but that means he’s not going to stick a knife in their back in public. ANd it is known that Hargrove was not Bavasi’s choice for skipper…and that he is not well liked by the players (including the star of the team).
Really, you can make ANY kind of case out these facts.
Those facts are interesting, but also conjecture. Perhaps I’m not making myself clear: I am simply not optimistic that Hargrove will be fired.
If there was concrete-like handwriting-on-the-wall then I would be as relieved and assured as you seem to be. I’m sure if it occurs, the announcement will be swift and sudden, link the plop of a frozen airplane commode.
Oh, and btw most of my perspective on the team comes from following this site. I don’t bother with the M’s site unless links come up through here. And I live in Portland, that every now and then does a locally-written analysis, in The Oregonian, but I never read the coverage in the Seattle papers- unless its through this site. So I’ve had access to a good amount of information (this site is pretty invaluable), yet I’m coming to a different, pesimistic conclusion.
If Hargrove’s back next spring I’m going to be pretty irate at those who got my hopes up. But I’m going to be more irate at Bavasi and Hargrove, the freakin’ Wonder Twins…
Those facts are interesting, but also conjecture.
Um, yeah.
Ya might want to look over what you wrote again; you’re not making a whole lot of sense.
And by “facts” I meant “points.”
Sorry that my over-all gist wasn’t able to get threw due to my misuse o one word. My bad.
But thanks for spelling it out clear that Hargrove’s not returning next year!
Or, actually, not doing said thing….
My theory.
Why did Hargrove bring in Pineiro to cough up the grand slam? As punishment for going out and partying the night before. Pineiro thinking he’d done enough damage in one series, went out on the town. Hargrove, miffed at this, figured he’d have one last chance to irrefutably ruin any MLB career beyond September 2006.