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World Series Game Five
DMZ · October 27, 2006 at 4:45 pm · Filed Under Mariners
5:27, supposedly, Verlander v Weaver.
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What’s with the advertising? DId I miss an announcement??
Go Tigers! I think it’s kind of funny how all the pundits were saying this series is a lead pipe cinch for the Tigers, and yet the Cards are really taking it to them. Is there something to the idea that experience matters in the postseason? St. Louis only won 83 games in the regular season, yet they are on the brink of a title. The Tigers look a little tight. What’s going on?
baseball?
Billy Ray?
You have to be fu*king kidding me.
What a disgrace.
As someone who predicted Tigers in five, I still have to say – I don’t think anyone with half a brain predicted that this was certainly going to be a walk. I saw the Tigers with a lot of advantages over the Cardinals, and I thought they were the better team going into this…
Oh well. If this brings you joy, I’m happy.
I’m going to have to give it up to Billy Ray. That was pretty good.
The Tigers certainly are a better team, but they have played like crap– they completely gave away last night’s game. At the same time, St. Louis with Edmonds/Rolen healthy is much more than their paltry 83 wins would indicate.
is there a reason the St Louis games are going all-country for the anthem?
is there a reason the St Louis games are going all-country for the anthem?
Southerners like country???
Because Detroit = Motown.
I think Leyland’s rotation and pitching management hasn’t helped either.
After that performance last nite, doesn’t the question need to be asked: Is the fix in?
what performance? Ozzie’s kid doing the anthem?
i was thinking more of Rodney doing little league
“Check up from the neck up.” Someone shoot me.
If the Cardinals win tonight, we will become the team with the 2nd worst regular season record to win the WS. The 1918 Boston Red Sox won the WS with a 75-51 record. The next worse is the 1987 Minnesota Twins with a 85-77 record.
Sorry, I mean the Cardinals will become the team with the 2nd worst regular season record to ever win the WS.
Yeah, well, Cardinals fans would probably see it as getting even for ’87.
does it seem the strike zones have been a little tight this series?
Uh, 75-51 is a .595 winning percentage. The Cards’ winning percentage is .516.
Let’s see more K’s and HR’s!!!
How long before Leyland pulls the plug on Verlander?
If Belliard parks it, I’d pull Verlander. He’s tired.
If the Cardinals win tonight, we will become the team with the 2nd worst regular season record to win the WS. The 1918 Boston Red Sox won the WS with a 75-51 record. The next worse is the 1987 Minnesota Twins with a 85-77 record.
Do the math. 1918 was a WW-I shortened season.
75-51 is a .595 record.
85-77 is a .525 record.
Ooooh ho ho
is there a reason the St Louis games are going all-country for the anthem?
Because they misunderstood MLB’s request to go “alt-country.”
Game 3 — Jay Farrar
Game 4 — Neko Case
Game 5 — Lucinda Williams
Spiezio is soooooooo clutch, he would have hit a homerun; he should be playing second tonight.
/sarcasm
And off the hook wriggles Verlander.
I think the Cards are going to regret that.
#26: He had Belliard struck out looking on the 2-2 pitch, but Fox was too obsessed with showing us the damned ant-cam view to let us see the location of the pitch.
(swoon) Oh, Neko…
When does Verlander get the Weaver K-zone?
Now Casey’s agent owes Buck a muffin basket.
My attempt to pregame while watching World Series baseball isn’t working too terribly well. Not enough HRs or Ks. This sucks.
The problem with Neko is that she’d sing the anthem like the flag was found dead in a ditch on the side of a country road.
A-Rod might just want to take that position in the beverage-distribution industry.
Hey, weren’t these guys supposed to be sacrificed to Detroit? What’s going on?
Ah, I see that this was addressed early in the thread. I meant to ask in a way that wasn’t intended to be rude, since I also had no inkling that this would be the case after 4 games. I would have guessed Detroit in 5. Who knows, maybe this will turn out to go 7.
OK, you just traded two bases for two outs this inning. That makes a ton of sense, LaRussa.
Captain Intangibles!
Sometimes its better to be lucky than good…
Eckstein = weird AB machine
Detroit has committed an error in every game this World Series. That has never happened before.
Well, Taguchi was bunting for a hit on his own…
Speaking as someone who watches a lot of Cardinal games, LaRussa is far from Melvinian when it come to bunting. He usually only does it when the pitcher’s up and when he wants to squeeze.
Its a shame that the award named after Hank Aaron is completely meaningless.
Under the old two-division system, these two teams wouldn’t even make the Series. St. Louis would have finished third in the NL East, the Tigers two games out of first in the AL East.
It would have been Yankees-Twins vs. Mets-(Dodgers||Padres).
Why the heck would they let Verlander swing away?
Runner on third two out– not a terrible situation.
Speaking as someone who watches a lot of Cardinal games, LaRussa is far from Melvinian when it come to bunting. He usually only does it when the pitcher’s up and when he wants to squeeze.
I’ve seen him squeeze with Eckstein and Molina. TLR loves the squeeze, almost as much as he loves his vegetables.
Why the heck would they let Verlander swing away?
Standard by the book NL baseball there. Bunting does not get you a runner on 3rd w/ less than 2 out and does not get you a RISP with less than 3 out. You have two shots at a hit to plate the run, so you let the pitcher swing and maybe he gets lucky.
Under the old two-division system, these two teams wouldn’t even make the Series. St. Louis would have finished third in the NL East, the Tigers two games out of first in the AL East.
Under the old system, they each would have been playing a balanced schedule, so the records would be different.
If the cardinals win this series, the following injustice will take hold:
Scott Spezio = 2 WS rings
David Eckstein = 2 WS rings
Edgar Martinez = 0 WS rings
so sad.
Its a shame that the award named after Hank Aaron is completely meaningless.
They should let the fans vote to see what teams play in the World Series, too. How can you have a World Series without Derek Jeter?!
Edgar Martinez = 0 WS rings
Yeah, but look on the bright side:
Alex Rodriguez – 0 WS rings.
My word, that was ugly.
Standard by the book NL baseball there.
Its not exactly automatic, though.
In a one run game just bunt the guy along, maybe he’ll score on a passed ball.
Its not exactly automatic, though.
I can’t fault Leland on that inning, though. It’s all on Inge.
In other news, I got my King County absentee ballot today. Can it be any longer?
And hey, the Cardinals are defending like the Tigers.
gone.
I was about to say that Weaver’s this year’s Derek Lowe, but Duncan might have just cost him a lot of money.
I think Buck is rooting for the Cards just a little.
I think Buck is rooting for the Cards just a little.
It would be like Rizzs and Niehaus calling an M’s WS game.
Yadier Molina, Small Sample Size Poster Boy.
#54– don’t forget the extra postage
Taguchi == clutch!!
before the series started someone on KJR was idly wondering if perhaps Leyland shouldn’t have taken the young Tigers team down to Florida during their long layoff and had a mini-camp just to get them back on track for the series … now, its beginning to sound like an ok notion– if nothing else, some PFP might have been a good idea.
Incredible.
Molina was out by 88 feet.
Jon, (Orlando): Don’t you think Seattle will be a huge player for Matsuzaka, and have the best chance at landing him…huge Japanese market in Seattle, and they Have $$ and need pitching. He also has been rumored to say it is his dream to play with Ichiro.
SportsNation Keith Law: I’ve heard that they’re concerned that the posting fee + salary will be exorbitant and will prevent them from addressing other holes. They’re a long way from contender status, and you can put Bavasi on that list of GMs entering decisive years.
ASPOIERALKFJSDF
OK, I just voted against a state house candidate because her website was crap and un-Google-able.
I mean, yeesh people, it’s 2006. Get a real website.
Good God Almighty, Detroit, if you survive tonight you deserve to watch Tom Emanski videos using the Ludovico Method.
Keith must have been reading Kirby Arnold…
It’s shocking that a team that’s been solid defensively all year could become so bad so quickly in the World Series.
Timmy would seriously bring in a defensive replacement in the fifth?
#67: They look like the 1919 White Sox.
Hmm.
They look like the 1919 White Sox.
Fraiser’s Dad would have started Verlander more than once…
what coach usually runs PFP? does he become the post-season sacrificial lamb?
sigh. the estate tax repeal folks are trying to make me believe that my ‘increased wages’ will cause me to be taxed after death. um, yeah.
so, are the Tigers making Weaver look good, or has Dave Duncan magically fixed him?
The estate tax repeal campaign, aka Frank Blethen.
Damn, my eyes are just about bleeding from some of these campaign websites. This guy wants to give people mandatory 20 year sentences to hit-and-run drivers “for hitting a minor under the age of 18 regardless of if they life or die.”
1. How many minors are over 18 (other than Zach)?
2. “Life or die?”
So far, the “Derek method” for choosing candidates is doing me well.
I am glad I kept my voter registration in the state of Idaho.
so, are the Tigers making Weaver look good, or has Dave Duncan magically fixed him?
Let’s just say their training videos aren’t going to be endorsed by Fred McGriff.
I hate it that you won’t be able to say (sorry Cardinal fans) that the Cards will have won this series, but that the Tigers lost it.
I really never want to see dale earnhardt advertising chevy silverados again.
or MLK Jr. or Rosa Parks.
They wouldn’t have approved this ad.
wow. this game is cool.
haha. I love having wireless keyboard. I can post comments without looking at the monitor.
Jim Leylan reminds me a lot of my father.
I ant to see Strikeouts!
This is sweet. I love not being able tos ee my computer. I wonder if anybody has gotten mad at me yet, or If I”ve just ppposted 7 or 8 comments in a row.
Duncan you uuck. La Russa should have listened to McCarver by pulling him for a defensive sub.
WTF?!?!?!!!??!?! That was an error. duncan you suck.
If Duncan doesn’t improve out there he’s going to become trade bait.
2007 Seattle Mariners DH? I’d take that. But only if we got Ibanez a new pair of legs.
See, the problem here, Corco, is that typing comments w/o reading is like having a conversation with someone without ever letting them talk or checking to see that they’re listening.
WEAVER
(I cheated on that and turned around.) Drinking and posting blindly is probably not a good idesa
But I’ve had more bad ideas than just about anybody. So On We Go.
Yadi for WS MVP
When the Cardinals win tongiht, that was a good question (I just got up, I really wish I had a computer monitor on /tTOP of my TV), any way, like I said, when the cards win this, who is WS MVP?
guillen is money. damnit.
Jeff Weavor is the 1337 Haxx0r!!!! of teh Cardinals. He kick ass. Go JWeave.
That was a stupid commercial.
16 charter amendments on the ballot. SIXTEEN.
I think the city council owes me for the second stamp.
sosos Taguchi! The uber sweet new RF
Soso
Alexis Gomez. Tee-hee-hee.
That was a good GBA. Fast, and good. Especially Fast. But also simpel.
David, have you been getting into the strawberry Fanta and vodka again?
There. My ballot is complete.
If Eckstein wins the Series MVP I’m going to throw up in my mouth just a little bit.
I think he’s moved onto the blueberry
I’ve used up all my vomit on Tim McCarver. Not even Tim, however, can erase the joy of watching one’s newly adopted (newly locally adopted, Mariners still = #1) compete for a title.
#102– better Eckstein than Speizio
so if the Tigers could pull it off, would it be Casey for them?
Damn, Rodney’s dialing it up.
“Pujols has proven he can handle a fastball”–Joe Morgan.
I think it’s over now.
You’d think 4th time through the order…that they could get something going here.
then again…..maybe not
Of all the things I didn’t expect to see this season, an adoring home-town crowd (many of whom are wearing fetishistic Scott Spiezio fanclub goatees) chanting Jeff Weaver’s name in a potentially World Series-clinching game is up near the top of that list… Wow.
3 outs and St. Louis can party like its 1982!!!
1982. I was in 5th grade on the edge of Cardinal country. Everyone was a Cardinals fan in my elementary school, except the Royals and Rangers fans.
Unemployment in Tulsa was
Damnit, I should know better than to use a less than symbol in a comment.
This game has been a battle between Inge and Duncan to see who can lose the game for his team.
Even though my money’s on the Cardinals, I sure wouldn’t mind seeing the Tigers light up young Wainwright right now. Just so we can have baseball one more night.
` down!
Unemployment in Tulsa was less than 3% thanks to the oil boom. Everyone had money. My friends’ parents were white-collar folks, money men, engineers. Two years later, most of them were laid off in the oil crash. Divorces all over the place. My parents put food on the table by selling all their stock and working minimum wage jobs.
But that October, it was Ozzie and Whitey and an elementary school filled with red-wearing kids.
24 years ago.
dw, one reason I like the Cardinals so much is their fan base covers all the farms in all those middle-of-the-country states. All those kids listening to Stan the Man on the radio in their farmhouse kitchens. Etc.
Clutch Casey! Who was it that doubted him?
oo oo, Casey at the bat keeps my hopes for another day of baseball alive.
Tulsa was the Cardinals’ AA and AAA affiliate from the late 50s to the mid 70s. So, there was a lot of connection with the Cardinals in town. OTOH, there were a lot of Yankees fans because they had a CF from Commerce, OK, named Mickey Mantle.
And the Cardinals Nation is still pretty huge, even if the Royals now have Kansas, the Rockies have Colorado, and the Rangers have Oklahoma.
OK Inge, if you’re going to redeem yourself, you have your chance.
C’mon Inge. You’ve been trying to lose this game all night, how about you try to win it this time.
Aw geez. Don’t be a moron, Brandon.
CARDS WIN!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SCOTT SPIEZIO WINS IT!!!!!!!!!!1 WHO SAID ROOKIES CAN’T CLOSE???
And the Cardinals do it! YAY CARDS!!
God, I love it when I want either team to win.
My 2 1/2 year old is completely befuddled by the celebration.
How much you think the Angels kangaroo court is going to fine Jered Weaver for all that Cards gear he’s wearing?
Frankly, I’m not that impressed by the enthusiasm of the crowd…
Yay Cards!
*sigh* /me enters off-season boredom
No more baseball
And now is the winter of our discontent.
Hello, Carlos Lee for 5/80. Goodbye, Matsuzaka to the Yankees.
Somebody in the audience was wearing a Cody McKay jersey. Heh.
YES!!! GO ECKSTEIN!!!
#132– well, KOMO starts their hot stove coverage “Tuesday’s from 7-8 pm starting November 14th and “Mariners Baseball Sunday” debuting November 19th from 7-8 pm” and mlb.com will cover the Japan All Star tour….
oh, no, Joe Niekro has died….
The Cards fans and ownership are so non-chalant about it. Guess the tenth title isn’t that big a deal to anyone but the Fox woman.
And now, I’m throwing up in my mouth.
His other 4 cars were nicer than that Corvette
Scott Spiezio “does some stuff”
?
#137 I think you’re on to something with the Fox person: Let’s say it again, world series champions, world series champions…
oh, no, Joe Niekro has died….
Mr. Emery Board.
If Derek were still awake, he’d mention that Niekro is in his book.
It’s one thing for Eckstein to have 2 rings. But Spiezio with 2 rings. Honestly, what a crazy year it must have been for him? From being released to winning it all. wow.
oh, speak of the devil.
#138– up to about 3 years ago, Eckstein was still driving his sister’s 1998 Nissan Maxima…
yup Eckstein is a cheap bastard. … a few years ago, after his first WS win, he did an interview that showed him checking his email at the local libary and living with his folks in the off season. Since he’s married now I doubt all those things are the same.
There’s a whole chapter on doctoring the ball which includes Joe Neikro. Has anyone here not pre-ordered it, though?
(I’m pre-occupied, I got copy edits back on the book today)
Is anyone going to say that the Tiger’s are winners just because they are able to get to the World Series?
#144– cheap, or frugal?
he married teeny tiny perky blonde Ashley … Drake? Drane?
Why do I know these things?
Derek, are you going to ask Gaylord to write a thoughtful foreward for the book?
I wanted to interview him, but we didn’t pull it off. I’m trying to get him an advance copy now for comment/etc, we’ll see how that goes. May be hard to get him to write a foreward.
Yup. Especially since it’s a foreword. (Oooh, spelling nazis!)
The 83-regular season win Cardinals win the World Series behind the pitching of … Jeff Weaver?!
Sign him up. Who needs Matsuzaka? Weaver, Jeff Suppan, and a corner outfielder. Make it so, Bavasi.
Did Spiezio hit above the Mendoza line in the post season?
Dodger Sims predicted the Cardinals would win in five games. What it is, is a baseball simulation of 1000 games. It takes the pythagorean win pct of the two teams and converts it into a win expectancy (for each game). Of the first five games, it predicted the Cardinals would win four of them.
vr, Xei
I haven’t preordered your book yet. I want to help it peak close to release time. E.g., when that “Pa” is removed from its title.
And THIS is why you care who wins the Cards/Mets series…
well, we’ve lost Matt Sinatro as a potential broadcast color guy, as Lou has hired him back in Chicago….
If ever you wanted “proof” that the post season is a crap shoot (heavily dependent on luck, insert your term here), I think you have it. The Cardinals aren’t a bad team but three weeks ago there was a pretty good case that they weren’t one of the TEN best teams in baseball. They certainly looked to be the weakest team in the playoffs. Now they’re World Series champs.
Actually even today, I don’t think they’re one of the ten best teams this year.
On the other hand, the Cardinals have made 6 playoff appearances the past 7 years, so seeing them strike it rich on one of them isn’t THAT surprising.
That’s the argument for “get to the playoffs consistently”.