Break-time news

DMZ · December 23, 2006 at 4:48 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

We’re almost certainly going to be really bad about updating for the next couple of days as we hang out with family and friends, so bear with us.

Texas acquired Brandon McCarthy, who they intend to start, and OF David Paisano for LHP John Danks, RHP Nick Masset and RHP Jacob Rasner.

Danks was rated the #1 prospect in the BA top 10, and Nick Masset was #8. Paisano didn’t rank for the White Sox.

The Rangers’ statements so far make it seem like they intend to start McCarthy even if they do acquire Zito (but they’re not optimistic that’ll happen). That could be interesting: McCarthy’s ground ball percentage was 38.5%, and Texas’ outfield next year has Lofton in center and Wilkerson’s not too mobile either.


28 Responses to “Break-time news”

  1. Adam S on December 23rd, 2006 5:23 pm

    We’re almost certainly going to be really bad about updating for the next couple of days as we hang out with family and friends, so bear with us.
    Actually I’m pleasantly surprised how much content has been posted in the past few days while we’re into holiday season. You guys certainly all need a break; I know I need a break from reading.

    I’m confused by this trade (and the prior rumors of Garland et al). I thought the main point of the Garcia trade was to free up a spot in the rotation for McCarthy. Looks like Danks is a year away; are they going to rush him to the majors next year?

    Happy Holidays.

  2. Mat on December 23rd, 2006 6:08 pm

    Looks like Danks is a year away; are they going to rush him to the majors next year?

    I wouldn’t be that surprised if Danks could be effective as a major league starter next year, especially with Don Cooper instructing him in the ways of pitching.

    Either way, I think this was a really interesting trade. Going just by his major league numbers, McCarthy looks like he could be a mid-rotation guy without a whole lot of upside. And as Derek points out, his fly-ball tendancies could lead to an adventure in Arlington. OTOH, McCarthy has arguably a better minor league record than Danks, though, and what seems to be an unusually large gap between his major league numbers and minor league numbers. I’d be interested to hear any theories why that gap has been so large for McCarthy.

    There are other guys involved, but this really feels like a Danks/McCarthy challenge trade.

  3. RaoulDuke37 on December 23rd, 2006 6:15 pm

    Did we have a chance at McCarthy? If so, should we have taken it?

  4. Typical Idiot Fan on December 23rd, 2006 6:37 pm

    We would have, by comparison, had to give up our #1 and #8, which would be Adam Jones and Chris Tillman.


  5. msb on December 23rd, 2006 6:48 pm

    huh. that is interesting, as there was all that talk about finding a place for McCarthy. …

    “When I talked to Kenny, he said he got bowled over by a deal,” McCarthy told shortly after he was traded and an hour before his first conference call with the Texas media. “It was going to take something he really felt comfortable with to make it happen, and he felt comfortable with this one. It was weird to see it happen that fast. After two years of trade rumors, it finally happened, and I hadn’t heard a rumor about this one at all.”

  6. Mat on December 23rd, 2006 7:30 pm

    We would have, by comparison, had to give up our #1 and #8, which would be Adam Jones and Chris Tillman.

    And since the White Sox already have Anderson in CF, they probably wanted a pitcher in return for McCarthy, and the Mariners don’t really have any pitchers very comparable to Danks in their system. So even Jones/Tillman might not have gotten it done.

  7. Tek Jansen on December 23rd, 2006 8:36 pm

    I wonder if this makes the Rangers less likely to sign Zito. Texas gave up a good amount to get McCarthy, but it is probably a better deal than paying $100 million for Zito.

  8. Slippery Elmer on December 23rd, 2006 9:43 pm

    M’s reportedly sign Sean Burroughs, apparently reach agreement with Braves on trade of Adrian Beltre for Tim Hudson.

    Just kidding on that last part. But the former is true…

  9. DMZ on December 23rd, 2006 10:28 pm

    Yeah, I wrote up a whole post on Burroughs already.

  10. Bender on December 23rd, 2006 10:49 pm

    So where is Zito going to end up?

  11. CSG on December 23rd, 2006 11:51 pm

    McCarthy as a starter in the Ballpark at Arlington, or whatever they call it now, could be ugly. There’s a good chance his K/G will drop back toward his 2005 rate due to the return to the rotation, and he’s been super homer-prone (1.80 and 1.85 HR/G in 2005 and 2006, respectively), so allowing more balls in play doesn’t bode well with worse fielding and an even better hitting environment in Texas than Chicago. There’s a good chance his HR/FB will regress to the mean next year, as over 15% of his flyballs have left the park the last two years, but he’s also benefited from low BABIP (.249 and .255) and high LOB% (81.2 and 76.6). He’s likely to have low BABIP due to his flyball tendencies, but not as low as the last two seasons. McCarthy’s worst case scenario (K’s drop, HR’s stay the same, more hits fall in, league average LOB%) would be an absolutely hideous season.

  12. AK1984 on December 24th, 2006 5:46 am

    [Duhr, I’m drunk post]

  13. msb on December 24th, 2006 6:42 am

    ah, such holiday spirit.

    #10- well, it seems that Texas too feels that Zito is going to the Mets, and that all the courting in just part of Boras’ traditional dance.

  14. argh on December 24th, 2006 9:36 am

    While management has definitely given us fans some coal in our stockings this year all is not lost — only 99 days until we tee ’em up against the dreaded Oakland Athletics on April 2. And for those who neurotically count the days between seasons, New Year’s Eve will mark the advent of hump day — the point at which we pass the halfway mark between October 1, 2006’s dimly remembered 3-2 win over Texas until the first day of the 2007 campaign. Just thought you’d like to know.

    Merry Christmas and happy holidays.

  15. horatiosanzserif on December 24th, 2006 9:51 am

    Here is the White Sox bullpen, as it stands:

    Andy Sisco
    Nick Masset
    David Aardsma
    Mike MacDougal
    Matt Thornton
    Bobby Jenks

    Hard-throwing and scary, top to bottom. And considering how Guillen works his starters in the ground, none likely will be forced into situations they can’t handle in 07.

    Maybe TPTB should’ve traded once-hyped prospects such as Nageotte and Livingston for another prospect-plus when they had the chance?

  16. schmicky on December 24th, 2006 12:17 pm

    The trade came down by Texas assuming Zito was not going to sign with the Rangers although they are still appling pressure to the pitcher.that being said the GM also noted to not trust all the rumers milling about in the Zito sweepstakes.

    Okay all that huff and puff…I for one seeing whAT THE m’S WERE ABOUT THIS OFF SEASON AND READING POST AFTER POST I am not throwing up the white flag but I am extremely dissapointed to say the least.
    “Freak”n Cap Locks”.
    I do see Texas bettering them selves with this trade in the long haul though, imo.

  17. schmicky on December 24th, 2006 12:19 pm

    …Also happy Holidays and merry Christmas and Happy Honikah, (Iknow,I know the spelling is attrocious).

  18. Goob on December 24th, 2006 4:56 pm

    Looks like the Brew Crew is giving Suppan 42/4. I need to seriously try and find a job where I can bust my ass for a few weeks on national television and turn that into a 150% pay increase.

  19. Mat on December 24th, 2006 6:06 pm

    I need to seriously try and find a job where I can bust my ass for a few weeks on national television and turn that into a 150% pay increase.

    Sounds like the premise of The Apprentice.

  20. Dash on December 24th, 2006 8:19 pm

    Dave said:
    October 25th, 2006 at 1:18 pm

    If Jeff Suppan gets 4/40, I’ll eat a horse

    Looks like Dave is eating a horse.

  21. Tak on December 24th, 2006 8:52 pm

    a slightly bigger than average horse I might add. 😛

    but aGaIn, this doesnt Look as bad as soME other Clearly HorriblE signings.

  22. Slippery Elmer on December 24th, 2006 9:18 pm

    #9 —
    My bad, that’ll teach me to not scroll down before posting.

    #12 —
    I didn’t see this particular post, but how do you know when AK1984 is drunk? His posts are all intoxicaterrific.

    Merry Christmas, all.

  23. msb on December 24th, 2006 10:11 pm

    #22– re, 12, in this case, he actually told us 🙂

    ah, a beautiful drive over to Cle Elum, and a rather awful drive back again bookending a lovely Christmas Eve get-together

    I wish you all a Merry Christmas (and/or any other festivus celebration you may wish to celebrate).

    Me, I think I’ll sit on my sofa, eat homemade pie & finish David Maraniss’ Clemente book…

  24. stoyboy on December 25th, 2006 7:01 am

    Well, it looks like Suppan is a Brewer. He signed 4/42 + mutual 5th year. So much for waiting for Zito to sign. The Cards will now sign Weaver pretty quick for ??? who knows.

  25. stoyboy on December 25th, 2006 7:10 am

    Mariners need to forget Zito and start signing 2nd tier FA starters like Thomsen, Ponson, Armas Jr, etc. Just start stockpiling starters on the low risk, high reward theory and see who makes the rotation and discard who doesn’t. Merry Christmas to all!!

  26. msb on December 25th, 2006 9:46 am

    ah, I love the Star Ledger 🙂

    The Yankees are in discussions with the Arizona Diamondbacks about sending Randy Johnson back to the team for which he starred in 1999-2004, according to a baseball official. The official, who works for a third team but has spoken to people involved in negotiations, asked not to be identified because of the confidential nature of his discussions.

  27. The Ancient Mariner on December 25th, 2006 2:49 pm

    That seems to me like a truly awful deal for the Rangers. I’d be interested to hear what Dave has to say, but it doesn’t look to me like McCarthy’s the best pitcher in that deal, and if he isn’t, they lose (possibly in a big way).

  28. msb on December 26th, 2006 8:53 am

    #26– ok, now, this makes a little more sense

    A baseball official told’s Jon Heyman that Randy Johnson asked the Yankees to consider trading him to a team closer to his home in Phoenix. The official said it’s not a demand and that Johnson would be content to remain a Yankee if nothing could be arranged. Besides the Diamondbacks and Padres, Heyman says the Giants may have some interest in Johnson. He also believes the Yankees would try for Barry Zito if they dealt Johnson, though he doesn’t have any sources for that one.

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