Game 4, Mariners at Indians
DMZ · April 6, 2007 at 2:41 pm · Filed Under Game Threads
In progress…. except that it’s not. Delayed by snow. Sorry I missed putting up the thread, I thought it was going to be canceled after seeing these photos, link sent in by reader Peter Schneidler. Home opener wooo!
If they continue it, which seems unlikely, I wonder who we see pick up the game if Ho-Ram doesn’t come back in?
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What I would give for this game to be on tv so I could see the snow. Of course I’m sitting outside now because it’S way too nice here. Only visit to Cleveland in early April?! Good one MLB…
It looked like there was a white substance on Ramirez’s hat and his pitches had all kinds of movement, none of it anywhere near the strike zone.
I hope people don’t tear into HoRam too much for his first inning. In those conditions even King Felix would struggle against a patient lineup. He won’t be able to feel his fingers for the breaking ball, and the cold will impact his velocity. In short, this game should never have been allowed to start.
I really, really didn’t need to see those last few photos.
This is wasting my time, just cancel the damn game.
I would bring Weaver in for today’s game. Start Felix tomorrow and Washburn on Sunday. Ramirez could be brought back on Monday if he pitches no more today. That would save the bullpen, but I don’t think that such a scenario will occur.
no, nevermind, please don’t cancel the game.
I bet this is the last time we see MLB schedule a bunch of early April series up north.
Yeah, Mike Wilbon on PTI yesterday chastised the league for their “moronic” scheduling. I have to agree.
31 degrees, 15mph wind AND snow? Okay, what DOES it take to make a decision to cancel a game?
I don’t get it. Are you guys saying baseball should be scheduling all the northern teams to be on the road for their first two, three, or four series? Because I think all those teams would howl, and rightly, if they were forced to do that. I don’t think major league baseball has any choice; they need to try their best to treat all the teams equally in scheduling, for fairness and the appearance of fairness.
That was awesome for a couple of innings. Awesome in a completely ridiculous surreal sort of away, but awesome nonetheless. Horacio had three walks in the bottom half of the first, and it looked more like a Browns game than an Indians game.
we’re playing ball again!
Sosa got the game-winning hit for the Rangers on a check swing bloop single. His line now stands at .200/.273/.200. Looks like a little ring rust.
If baseball wants to avoid weather like this, I think a better idea would be to shorten the season, or at least the schedule (by having double hears again, maybe). But that’s not going to happen.
double headers
Just schedule a smattering of 2-3 home game series for the northern teams with no weather protection, so that if you need to cancel them, they can easily be made up. Don’t put more than half your games in these climes. And, if you want to say the northern teams are getting screwed, think of it this way: the warm weather teams who benefit have to play more road series later on.
I hope people don’t tear into HoRam too much for his first inning. In those conditions even King Felix would struggle against a patient lineup. He won’t be able to feel his fingers for the breaking ball, and the cold will impact his velocity. In short, this game should never have been allowed to start.
To wit, Paul Byrd sure didn’t have any problems in the 1st.
11. I hate to be the one to say this, but I will. The season starts too early and ends too late. Baseball is a summer game, after all, and I have the same beef with the “October Classic” being played in November, especially since it often involves a northern team. With the wild card series in place now, I’m not sure it makes sense to keep the season at 162 games.
So on a snowy day, our pitchers can’t find the plate, but this is offset by the fact that our hitters can’t see the ball and make contact?
Nor did Paul Byrd have any problem in the second.
Well, at least Hargrove and Ramirez have a ready made excuse for the sub-standard performance that I am listening to on the radio.
Aaaand the M’s are back with a flyout, groundout, strikeout inning. The M’s will take outs any way they can get ‘em.
I’d agree the season’s too long, but the problem is that having a long season means a huge amount more money that MLB (and MLBPA) don’t want to risk on a shorter season, and both sides hate double headers. So… we’re stuck for now.
I wonder how one could make a valid, money-oriented argument for shortening the season. Flagging ticket sales due to oversaturation?
Because I agree: given the extension of the playoffs and the required off and travel days, the season is too long.
can someone explain to me why the game is blacked out on mlb.tv? i signed up for the free trial but bud selig doesnt want me to see the damned game!
I’d actually like to see HoRam keep throwing to first, going deep in counts. Maybe we won’t see the sixth inning.
This could be a short game (
A little global warming might just fix the problem!
Gomez, I agree that we don’t know that it would actually be a disadvantage for the northern teams to have to start with more of their games on the road; but I think that the northern teams would think it was a disadvantage, and most of the sports media and fans would agree with them.
hmmm – not sure what happened there. What I meant to say was:
This could be a short game (
Not to get into that whole insane debate, but apparently, global warming has actually contributed to these current conditions.
OK I give up.
It’s very odd to be, having taken the afternoon off, out in my backyard in 75 degree sunshine, in early April in the Pacific NW…listening to the Mariners play a baseball game in the snow.
I’m out there sweating, digging up my yard, and Dave says ‘and Ichiro is standing out in the snow in centerfield’.
Strange.
Wow, never realized this about Sizemore:
2006 vs. LHP (220 ABs): 214/.290/.427
49 pitches through 2 innings…..and you all wonder why Hargorve keeps 12 Pitchers on the roster.
29. You would be more subtle with the schedule than the idea suggests. You obviously wouldn’t schedule the Tigers to, say play 6 home games and 24 road games in April. That’s clearly insane. I would say more like 12 and 18, consisting of 3-4 short divisional series at home that can easily be made up if any get snowed out.
willy with a great show of power. put the ball in the air futher than the pitcher.
Byrd has regained his dominant form
37 Huh? Willy is in the lineup?
Sweet, no-hit by Paul Byrd. In the snow. What more could you ask for.
Don’t look at the M’s batting averages through 3 1/3 games — not for the faint of heart.
AAA has a slightly shorter season than the big leagues, but still, they only started a couple days later (and end a month earlier). In conversations I’ve had about their scheduling with various folks who work either for the Rainiers or for the league, I know they do make an effort to try not to hold a lot of games in Tacoma in April, because the weather is so dicey.
One of the articles I read this morning said the Ms batting average so far, if you don’t figure in Ichiro, is something like .182. Balanced offense?
Dan W @27, 31: I think what you meant to say was “This could be a short comment (“
Beltre can’t field anymore? Well, at least he still has his offense going for him…
Beltre obviously LOVES the snow.
2 Beltre errors in 3 innings, that should be grounds enough to justify that conditions are unsuitable to play.
Is Cleveland playing for five now? Push one more run across, then ram through the rest as fast as possible?
It is almost as if Beltre is not used to playing in snow and cold weather.
What’s great is that those two errors will be used as justification for discounting Beltre while handing another Gold Glove to Eric Chavez… even though Chavez will likely never have to play in these conditions.
If the game only goes 5 innings, HoRam could be the first pitcher to log a CG. Although it doesn’t look like he’ll even make it through 5 at this rate.
Did Victor Martinez hurt himself running to first? Or what?
(the first M’s pitcher that is)
And Byrd will throw the first no-hitter of the year. Make that perfect game.
that would be pretty messed up… a player gets hurt in the snow…
Game over…bring in WHITE…
Is Russ Davis available?
Ah, its funny that the Mariners wont even sniff the .500 mark for the season by the end of this road trip. Nice lines so far…2 errors
So…is Byrd pitching a no hitter…or is it still a perfect game?
I love how HoRam is keeping Byrd on the bench…get cold!! This is good strategy! And the M’s batters have gone 1-2-3 so that HoRam doesn’t tighten up sitting on the cold bench!
Cleveland has a good team anyway. I figured we’d get killed there. But, I thought maybe the snow might be some sort of…equalizer.
Apparently not.
Doh, just noticed the game thread. Today’s been a bit gruesome to watch.
For anyone watching the game, what are the conditions like now? Any risk that the game will be stopped before 4 1/2 innings?
Yep, “Well, at least Hargrove and Ramirez have a ready made excuse for the sub-standard performance ”
That’s why Cleveland/Byrd can pitch and we can’t hit.
Yes, Byrd has retired all 9 he’s faced so far.
Yes… #59 That’s Hargrove’s strategy. Yes, Hargrove is the root…
So who stole HoRam’s pitch to win shirt?
Somebody put a fork in him! He’s done!
This guy is batting .079… He’s due.
5 walks in 3 innings…and he still has time for more.
This is ridiculous.
Even worse, Soriano was my favorite Mariner. My face is going to grow into the smug look I have right now.
It’s all blue sky and green grass on Gameday. But it’s still gruesome to watch.
Serious luck right there.
#62, nope. It just looks mind numbingly cold, but there’s no snow falling now.
As of right now, according to gameday:
79 pitches, 43 balls! Thats insane.
Mateo is warming up. Hmmm.
Finally, Mike Hargrove has found a good use for Julio Mateo. Put him in there and he should get shelled long enough for to prevent the game from getting through the fifth before the snow returns. Good thinking Grover.
Is Bloomie really at SS? I thought Yuni made it back in time to start?
Wow…who didnt think that this is what our team would look like after Felix (and Washburn) pitch…our pitching is horendous (allbeit its snowing…cold..etc…but Byrd is pitching in the same weather)
On ESPN the box score says Betancourt is playing SS, but the Gamecast says Bloomquist is playing SS.
Did Betancourt start the game at SS, and now Bloomquist is out there?
I predict the M’s get a baserunner this inning.
It says Yuni is playing on gameday.
He just started a double play to bail Ho out.
Someone call the Braves, we want our cherry back.
It may be bad conditions and HoRam may be all over the place but he should be outta the 3rd with a 0-0 score…we pay Beltre too much not to make these plays(should be 3 errors not 2)whatever the conditions especially considering we bank on him at least playing stellar D while he struggles hitting the first 2 months
No, Bloomie switched jerseys with Beltre, and is playing third.
Sorry, they just changed the scoring to an E-5 so it’s rightfully 3 on Beltre
This just heard:
“THE ICE CREAM MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!”
Hey, Vidro hit a ball out of the infield. Looks like things are about to turn around.
Well, Vidro hit the ball out of the infield. I guess that is something.
Paul Byrd is perfect through 4.
Let’s see if that jinxes him…
Suzuki .333
Beltre .083
Vidro .077
Ibanez .250
Sexson .200
Guillen .200
Johjima .100
Betancourt .100
Lopez .100
Sure, it’s just batting average, but I would venture that no team in baseball history has started that cold and managed a 2-1 (winning) record! Wow.
I don’t think Vidro will lead the league in GIDP, as Dave predicted…this stat implies baserunners on while he bats.
Turbo with a flyout, huzzah!
83 pitches: 39 strikes, 44 balls. Yikes.
Pronk is set to do some heavy damage here.
C’mon…give him the hook, he’s had plenty of time to warm up!!!
HoRam: Doesn’t miss bats, but can sure miss the plate.
Any chance that Weaver will be the best of the three new M’s starters? If its true, that is some sad commentary.
The radio guys just said Ho-Ram’s fastball is 86. Ouch.
Let me see…our offense is anemic…and our pitching is horrible (minus Felix) We’re in for an agonizing season.
Good Heavens! HoRam struck out Pronk? There is hope!
the M’s starting pitching after Felix makes babies cry
Ramirez has now thrown an equal number of ball and strikes – 49 each. I can’t believe he needed 98 pitches to go four innings. That is 50 more than Byrd used through 4.
That reminds me of a cold, rainy Seahawks game I went to at Husky Stadium. A vendor was selling hot chocolate. He kept yelling “Stay warms! Get your stay warms here!” After a while, people were looking at him as if he’d lost his mind. Yup.
I was so tempted to yell at him: “Would you shut the fu*k up, already?!!!”
And that’s my cold weather story, like it or not.
WOW…
Hey guys, I was wondering if any of you would do a follow up on the Betancourt signing? seems to be an apt time for a betancourt prospectus, or barring that, a good piece about his market price and real value, and whether or not this sort of extension tends to work well.
#98, screw babies, it makes ME cry!
meanwhile, Doyle starts, batting second for the Nats
Snelling is hitting second for the Nats tonight! At least we have that.
Amazingly enough, all of the runs are “unearned” according to mlb’s gameday. Ramirez’s ERA is the same as Felix’s
You laugh about the “stay warms”, but I would have been waiving fivers at him on opening day.
It is nice hearing the first ice cream truck of the year. Something that says, “Summer is here, at least long enough to tease you before it goes away until July.”
Any word on the Victor Martinez injury? Did it look serious?
Bye bye perfect game.
This team has absolutely zero mental toughness.
RRRAAAAOOOOOOLLLLLL!!!! Woooooooooooh! We have a baserunner! It’s a rally!
Thatta way RAUUUUUL. We need some guys to follow the M’s. Do the RAUUUUUUL thing in the stands at every major league stadium… that would be fun. Anyone got the $$. LOL.
I imagine most of us have seen this but for those that haven’t…it’s another reason to sigh with regret. From Jerry Crasnick @ ESPN.COM:
‘Soriano’s trek to closer-hood took a few detours before Seattle traded him to Atlanta for starter Horacio Ramirez in December. First, he underwent Tommy John surgery in 2004. Then he took a Vladimir Guerrero line drive off the head in a frightening incident in August. While scouts say Soriano appeared tentative in winter ball, he sure looks like a shut-down guy now.’
Doyle and Raffy…
Sigh
Shirtless in the snow… ha ha ha….yeah right.
Doyle update: HBP in first at-bat
Two walks. That matches our total for the season, right?
Doyle HBP
In HoRam’s pitch total…are we including the snow balls he threw today?
That’ll help him get the lead in on base percentage… woot.
All the reports seem to indicate that the M’s were assuming the game would be cancelled…throwing snow balls, playing in the snow, etc.
Is that how you prepare to play a game? Their play shows they weren’t prepared!
WOW…I think Byrd is trying to ice Horam… or is it that the M’s finally figured out not to swing at balls?
Bases juiced for Betancourt… C’mon YUNI!!!
It’s almost as if the M’s realized they were going to lose in 5 innings and decided to slow the game down by taking some pitches… if only they employed this strategy more often.
Hmmm, considering Horribilis Ramirez has 3 Ks, 4 runs, 5 hits and 6 walks, I’d say he’s going for an Outside Straight.
I don’t know, I’m thinking there should be a weighting factor to the walks. I mean, Byrd walked 3 Ms in a row, which would normally count for 3 BBs. But, shouldn’t it really be more, because they were Ms he was walking?
Walking As on the other hand, would count for like 1/2 for each A walked.
Or, maybe it takes snowflakes in the eyes of the Ms batters for them to have plate discipline?
124: But is he getting the pot odds?
Human rain delay! Make yourself useful!
Lopez will be out for the next few days after being hit in the eye with a snowflake. – Rotoworld
Wow…what are the odds that they would both line out to the short stop?
There’s an on field delay… can anyone fill us in on what’s going on? For those of us watching gamecast. Thx.
This is the best move that Grover has ever made.
Grover was the delay.
I can’t believe Hargrove could get away with that. I would have called a forfeit for that kind of behavior.
SNOW… aaaaarggghhhh with the bases loaded too… They were afraid that Ichiro would tie the game.
delay!
great play grover. this is absolutely unbelievable.
but the snow in the eyes, that’s what would get a run by having another walk issued….
Or does Hargrove have so little faith in Jose he thinks he’d swing anyway…
What did he do?
Oh my god it actually worked.
So what is Hargrove doing that is causing the delay?
… and what is Grover doing?
Gamecast has WFB on deck BATTING FOR ICHIRO.
133: complete agreement. Once the Ms left the bases, Cleveland should have just thrown the ball to any of the bases, and appealed – to see what the umpiring crew would have done.
Why have they allowed this game to be played? These games do count in the standings and this isn’t exactly conditions conducive to playing.
The Charge of the Light Hitting Team:
“Il est magnifique mais ce n’est pas baseball.”
PLEASE someone, for those of us stuck at work — what’s happening?
in more former M’s news: Greg Dobbs, batting sixth and playing third for the Phillies has a RBI double and a run scored as of the second inning
So apparently Hargrove is the right manager for away games you are losing while a blizzard is blowing when it’s the bottom of the fifth with two outs and two strikes. Granted it’s a very specialized manager skill…
Maybe we can keep him as a pinch-manager for the next time this happens.
One strike away from an official game and Grover’s antics prevent (at least temporarily) an M’s loss. I’ve never liked Hargrove, and I don’t now, but… neato.
Will somebody please explain what Grover did and why there is a delay?
you are all bums…antics dont describe what happend…did he start peeing his name in the snow at home plate?
“With light snow falling, the temperature in the mid-20s and the wind chill dipping into single digits” the game was cancelled due to bad weather.
No, this is not from today’s Mariners/Indians game, this was from the Tigers/Blue Jays game earlier this week. What is the difference? Why hasn’t this game been cancelled???
I have no idea what’s going on since I can’t get my MLB.com Audio to work on my Mac despite installing flip4mac.
Hopefully some kind soul will fill us in.
The snow was coming down hard. Lopez had two strikes and could barely see. Grover argued with the umps to prevent the final out, thus denying an official game. The umps agreed with Grover and called the players off the field
Hargrove came out to argue with the umpire to delay the game. As he stood out there arguing, the snow got heavier. Wedge came out to argue that Grover is delaying out of desperation.
In the end Grover obviously won. Definitely his best strategic move ever. Guess the whole Human Rain Delay nickname means something.
153 – thanks!!
Thank you Tek!
For those on Radio…Grover went out and protested, the M’s baserunners left their bases, and ?????
Hurrah!
Even though that denies Willie his inevitable game-winning grand slam home run.
The game has not been cancelled because the Indians do not want to lose an opening day gate revenue. If this was the second game of the season, it would have been cancelled.
Do the stands look full? Are there a lot of people there?
Those of you wondering what happened, use inductive reasoning: with Lopez unable to see the ball and stuck at a 1-2 count, Grover went out, basically said to the umps, “This is damn absurd, stop the game, and I’m not leaving until you do so,” and forced the ump’s hands.
hey Derek, i was too lazy to see if anyone else posted it, but you got some love on sportscenter today, im sure you noticed it, what with the billions upon thousands of minions you have, but i thought id throw it in anyway
147. LOL
To those without the Radio: And that’s all. Grover refused to get off the field and continued arguing with the other manager until the umps had no choice but to delay the game because the snow didn’t stop for their little conversation on the first base line. Really, it was fairly banale, if not underhanded. The least they could have done was had a snow ball fight.
In the immortal words of our current president: “Sometimes…money trumps everything else.” Thus, MLB is ready to sacrifice players for the few additional dollars they would get on opening day. Would think the players union would have something to say about this!!!
I think Grover made a good move here. If Lopez grounds out or strikes out, this one is official, and the umps likely call the thing in the next inning or so if snow continues. This way, we at least get a shot at this game getting wiped away, or a better chance to play it out and Byrd may be stiff when he comes in with the bases loaded. What’s to complain about?
161- Well…i was getting imaginative at what he did…like making snow angels, doing cartwheels…farting near homeplate…so i just wanted a better idea at what was going on. A simple “wow, he got away with it” means nothing
Hargrove is now also the Human Snow Delay. BTW, there’s a book about “Cheaters” in baseball that’s out right now (and tearing up the Amazon charts, I hear) that has a whole section on strategic delays of games. Is it cheating? Go read the book!
On another note — if they actually do get another out and then call the game, so it’s official and in the books, does Byrd get credit for a “no hitter”?
It’ll get asterisked, like the 5 inning perfect games.
#168…yes he does get the no-no. Good thing the M’s got a few walks that last inning or he would have had a perfect game!
I don’t have a ticket stub with me (nor a magnifying glass to read the fine print on the back), but if the game is played but postponed before it’s official, do the fans get a refund? or (in this case) a snow check?
Lou would at least have started making bases out of snow and then throwing them around the infield in rage.
Fits in nicely with a whole section in DMZs book about how a clever manager can manipulate these weather cancellation situations. Or a dumb manager, as is the case here.
#168 – it’s sort of like saying you had a perfect bowling game if the alley implodes after 6 frames, isn’t it? But, he would have given up no hits pitching all innings in an official game, so it may be an asterisk no hitter . . . ?
Forgot to mention that you’ve bowled strikes for 6 frames . . . just a small detail.
Just to confirm….the game is only being delayed, not canceled? Is that right?
so far . .
Well, bowling games don’t suddenly get interrupted by rain or snow in the alley.
R O T F L O L at #167 OMG I can’t hold it in… I’m dying here at work!!! LOL.
Of course they do.
#178 – the alley implodes after 6 frames
Thanks JMH, I’ll pretend I was thinking of that very article.
sigh. nice throw by Snelly in the outfield, a strike to Ronnie Belliard who didn’t seem to be aware there was a runner coming to 2nd, who could be tagged out.
btw. there are six extra innings freebie channels now up on Comcast, five available games listed, and two games actually on.
Yankees/Os and Nats/Dbacks.
#183…yeah I saw that bonehead play. I’m watching on MASN2 here in Virginia. Glad inDemand has Extra Innings again but they have yet to show a Mariners game.
and Teddy Roosevelt loses again in the race of the presidential heads at RFK.
so, just what IS the mojo that Paul Byrd has on the Mariners, going on some 5 yuears now, isn’t it?
#186, I guess he isn’t as strong as a bull moose after all.
any one see the Phillies game– how is/did Jamie do?
I drove to Appleton tonight to see the Baby M’s…and they didn’t even start the game. Just because it’s 25 degrees with a wind-chill in single digits. I’d have sat it out. Wimps.
190: Soon they are going to cancel games cause the sun is too bright…or the grass is cut too short
191: But you tell kids that today, and they just look at you.
Oh well. I’m in a hotel room watching Penn Jillette’s game show. Dumb, but I’m warm. And Brewers/Cubs tomorrow. Thank God for the roof.
The Twins-Whitesox came was postponed tonight because
“Temperatures were already in the low 30s by Friday afternoon and were expected to drop into the 20s by night.”
Nats broadcaster on Doyle: “He’s getting 4 at bats, but he’s going to be agressive, because he’s got that pinch hitter’s mentality, which is what he’s been most of his career.” He drew a walk.
He did swing at the first pitch in the at-bat, though, which I suppose qualifies as being aggressive.
So on the ex-Ms frontier Miguel Olivo just stole a base off Jamie Moyer, which brings him to half his stolen base total for all of last year! If only we had that speedster batting third for us this year.
#195: The KC broadcaster said the same thing about David Ortiz during the KC/Boston series. Ortiz’ OBP of .413 was 7th in the AL last year, effectively tied with Giambi.
Agressive, yeah.
Broadcasters are mostly ignorant (not to be confused with stupid).
It wouldn’t be so bad if they had scheduled teams who come back later in the year. This is the only M’s series in Cleveland all year???
Frickin’ amazingly bad piece of planning.
Hmm… 10 career PH ABs… 147 otherwise.
That sounds like most to me.
195…living in Southeast VA and not having the Nats on tv since 2005, I was eagerly looking forward to catching their games since Cox Cable signed a deal with MASN to have their games broadcast but I have been umimpressed with the Nats play by play man..I was lulled to sleep during a day game the other day. Not sure how they got Don Sutton to join MASN and leave Turner Sports or TBS.
I’m watching Jamie Moyer now…he has let his hair grow out some and the beard stubble isn’t there..just seems like the wrong look for him in those uniform colors. I’d see he’s pitching a good game so far…have yet to see him bat.
any news on the M’s game?
PPD!!!!!!!
Credit where credit is due: a sure loss is now wiped from the books, thanks to Dudley Michael Hargrove.
I’d also like to mention that Beltre gets all three errors stricken. And Horacio Ramirez has yet to make an appearance for the Mariners. His ERA is 0.00.
are you guys sure they don’t have the option of starting again tomorrow where they left off?
According to the PI:
NOTE: Tonight’s game has been postponed due to snow. The game has been rescheduled as part of a day-night doubleheader on Saturday, April 7th. The day game is scheduled for 1:05 p.m. (et) and the night game is scheduled for 7:05 p.m. (et).
Bavasi is writing up an extension for Hargrove right now
So Felix will probably start one of the games tomorrow?
I wonder if only the second one will be televised.
I think it might have been better to take one loss than screw up our pitching the way its going to be screwed up now. 4 more games in the next 3 days? No day off for the next 9 days? Who’s going to pitch? Who’s going to get sent down if they need Woods or Baek to come up and make a start? Or maybe they let White start a game?
The only good thing is that no relievers were used today.
206 from Rule 4.10
(e) If a game is called before it has become a regulation game, the umpire shall declare it “No Game.â€
Start Mateo!
210… it’s called “strategery.”
Excuse my ignorance, but will we start this game over, or pick it up where it is?
Sorry, hadn’t refreshed for awhile, nevermind.
Start over, that’s what my post 211 is referring to.
205…Actually his ERA would still have been 0.00…lol
#195– on the other hand, on the Dbacks side, Matty Williams (he of the hidden ball trick) complimented Snelling on how you could see he had a plan and an idea each at bat …
What did Hargrove do to delay the game/cause us not to lose? I was only watching with no sound in class
205: nice
217: None of those runs were earned? I guess Horacio was getting the Dan Haren treatment.
from 154:
Oh, forgot this tidbit: I talked to my mom down in Tulsa today; she mentioned the Drillers home opener last night was postponed due to snow, and it was snowing today.
Cleveland having a game postponed for snow I can believe, but Tulsa? I don’t recall it snowing in April down there.
Since it is declared a NO GAME do stats count for fantasy stats?
#211 – thanks.
224 — I don’t think so. I lost 2 RBIs from Peralta.
Beltre’s three errors wipe clean. HA!
Eric Wedge is about to be on ESPN News to talk about the “game”. It’s at commercial so you can hurry up and tune in now.
Entertaining snow reports from the blogs of Baker and Drayer
The umpire is the most comedic element of this day:
K-Rod’s not touching his hat.
He’s struggling too, I know this is ultra small sample size, but he gave up the losing run last night and he’s having trouble with his control since the whole thing started.
You know, I just realized, now Mike Hargrove is going to be hated by two fanbases for the time being. The Mariners and the Indians, lol.
Certainly he’s now on Paul Byrd’s “you-know-what” list.
Quite unbelievable really, since this was probably the first time (and will probably end up being the last time too) that Hargrove wins a game for us with his managing. Mostly he just helps us lose games. . .
We play the Indians a couple more times. We’ll play them again later. Hargrove’ll help them in a close wildcard race later this year. Smart Indians fans will forgive him.
based on what i just saw on sportscenter jose deserves as much credit as hargrove. he called time, then motioned to hargrove that he couldn’t see.
The forecast for Cleveland is for some snow Saturday, so we’ll see if they are able to get in the doubleheader tommorrow. If not, this is supposed to the only trip to Cleveland for the Mariners.
233: He was already hated by Indians fans. Also, you’re forgetting the Orioles. He’s been hated by the Indians’, Orioles’ and Mariners’ fanbases for some time.
#237: Really? I thought Cleveland fans loved him? He never chose to leave after all, he was fired after the ’99 season when Cleveland collapsed in the ALDS vs. Boston. Are you sure about that? Because I find it odd that a guy that played basically his whole career there and led them to 2 pennants as manager would be hated all of a sudden.
Although I’ll admit, I forgot about the Orioles. Maybe that’s because the hate they have for Grover is not even close to the hate they have for Mr. Angelos.
#238: And yes, I know he started with Texas. But his best years were basically with Cleveland.
Re. 212:
How about Morrow getting a start and going as far as he can?
Re. 240:
Oh, duh, it’s Weaver and Hernandez.
238: I was under the impression that they don’t like him. I could be wrong of course.
If the games Saturday are snowed out, would they play doubleheaders on Sunday AND Monday? Seems unlikely.
If not, then the M’s would be able to look forward to flying back to Cleveland at the end of the season for a make up game if the game was necessary to determine who was in the post season.
Rizzs was just on KOMO to say that the double header today is cancelled; they will try to get a double-header in sunday, and then see what happens …
Oh yeah, this’ll be nice for the rotation, nice for the hitters. . They were already having major problems with their timing.
And, as just pointed out on KOMO, the Ms go next to…Boston. Where the front is heading. Doomed.
ObTrivia: I just read on Wikipedia that Luis Ugueto (remember him?) was twice suspended for using you-know-what. Interesting.
243 – Most likely, it’ll be a Mariners team long since eliminated, wanting to get starting on their fishing, or going back to their home counties, having to fly to Cleveland for a bunch of games if the Indians are in a tight race.
Please tell me the “you-know-what” in 233 is not the same as the “you-know-what” in 246.
Looks like we can finally credit Hargrove for not losing a game. And while it was Jose that started it, Hargrove talked the game to its bitter end. I guess we will see if it translates to a victory. Strangely enough, I do feel bad for Paul Byrd. Loses a no-hitter with a 1-2 count.
Re: # 249 – Feeling sorry for Byrd.
Was that really a no-hitter when you consider that the weather conditions were such that the batters could hardly see the ball?
To me, it’s analogous to Johnny Vandermeer’s 2nd no-hitter, accomplished in Ebbetts Field’s 1st night game. (The lighting was rudimentary; and like yesterday, the batters could hardly see the ball.)
I feel sorry for Byrd in that he picked yesterday to face an anti-murderers’ row.
The most likely scenario is the M’s having to play the Indians on some off-day where they’re flying to-from the east. If there’s no way to work that out, then it’ll be like that Royals game they moved to Seattle (as a traditional doubleheader) a few years ago.
Well, a no-hitter is a no hitter. Goes in the books like any others. Even though it would have been a 5 inning game called due to weather, losing it with two outs and two strikes is simply brutal. Anyways, the M’s avoided a loss, and that is pretty importantf or the team. Trust me, I’m not going to lose any sleep over the matter.
249: I’d feel more sorry for Pedro Martinez pitching nine perfect innings and then losing in the tenth. Hehe.
Well, a no-hitter in a shortened game under conditions where an excellent 3rd baseman makes 3 errors in just a couple of innings so all your runs are unearned… that’s a no-hitter with an asterisk, at the very least. You think Nolan Ryan and Sandy Koufax are going to teach him the secret handshake for that?
So here’s a trivia question: when, if ever, was the last time Seattle was more than 45°F warmer than Cleveland during the baseball season?
253: or Harvey Haddix, who pitched a twelve inning perfect game in 1959… and still lost. And we think the M’s are bad at run support.
You know, while I was looking that up, I found this
Now that’s Wikipedia, not always a bastion of accuracy, but I’m not sure where the offical rules about records are kept (as opposed to rules about how the games are played), so I don’t know if it’s a definitive answer to the question.
No need to trust Wikipedia.
This game last year was the last game of the season between the Red Sox and Orioles, a meaningless one. Devern Hansack threw five no-hit innings and the game was called early due to a monsoon.
There’s no record book worth reading that says Devern Hansack has pitched a no hitter. mlb.com says: There was a time when the effort would have been considered a no-hitter, as Hansack became just the ninth pitcher in Major League history to give up no hits in fewer than nine innings. But after Melido Perez did it with a six-inning “no-hitter” against the Yankees in New York in 1990, the rules were changed (in September 1991), thus wiping out some 50 such efforts.
I doubt if both games will get played tomorrow.
I wonder what this means for the rotation. With Hargrove’s fawning over Jeff Weaver being his last starter he said (coming into the season) they wouldn’t skip any starters, even when the schedule would suggest passing over the # 5 arm.
I was really counting on seeing King Felix pitch (in person) on April 29th (what would be my first game at Safeco this season), and then opening the series with the Bombers in May.
I was in the shower when it came to me: Not skipping Weaver is a Good Thing. Letting Weaver pitch means that the King will get a couple fewer starts this year. Bad for wins this year…good for wins next year and every year after. If by some miracle we still end up in a pennant race we might not feel so badly about the King being our “go-to guy” if he isn’t way over the 200 IP mark.
I don’t think I’d tell anyone if I was thinking about Jeff Weaver in the shower.
As I remember the rule changes, in order to have a no-hitter, you have to finish with a win with at least nine innings pitched and no hits. In the old Baseball Encyclopedia, games like Melido Perez’ 5-inning no-hitter, Harvey Haddix’ 12 1/3 innings of perfect ball, and Andy Hawkins’ 4 run, 0 hit loss were listed under “Other Notable No-Hit Performances” or something like that.
While I love baseballreference.com, there was something to be said about the heft and scale of the Baseball Encyclopedia. The last edition was about 50% larger than the Seattle white pages. Total Baseball, which replaced it before the internets usurped Total Baseball, was even larger.
Coincidences I do not believe in.
I just got through reading “Delaying the Game for Fun and Profit”… and… Hargrove earned himself a footnote in any future editions.
255. I wonder why it matters whether or not a no-hitter is ‘official.’ Do pitchers get a gold watch and 10 free dinners at Sizzler from MLB if they toss an ‘official’ no-no?
Sizzler. Yum.
I just read this whole thread and the entire Lookout Landing thread, and I’ll I can add is, Mike Hargrove on Friday pulled off the single greatest rehabilitation act in MLB history. I bet he gets a standing ovation when the M’s come home. Now, I firmly believe that Grover is a terrible manager, but good lord, how can you not love the way Cleveland fans are treating this as the most Machiavellian baseball move since Shoeless Joe threw the WS? The idea that I could be cheering for Hargrove right now, even for one game, was anathema as recently as Friday morning. But what the hell, until Vidro goes 1 for 4 with runners on scoring position on Sunday, my hat’s off to him…