Game 4, Mariners at Indians

DMZ · April 6, 2007 at 2:41 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

In progress…. except that it’s not. Delayed by snow. Sorry I missed putting up the thread, I thought it was going to be canceled after seeing these photos, link sent in by reader Peter Schneidler. Home opener wooo!

If they continue it, which seems unlikely, I wonder who we see pick up the game if Ho-Ram doesn’t come back in?


264 Responses to “Game 4, Mariners at Indians”

  1. dw on April 7th, 2007 12:49 pm

    The most likely scenario is the M’s having to play the Indians on some off-day where they’re flying to-from the east. If there’s no way to work that out, then it’ll be like that Royals game they moved to Seattle (as a traditional doubleheader) a few years ago.

  2. Benno on April 7th, 2007 1:05 pm

    Well, a no-hitter is a no hitter. Goes in the books like any others. Even though it would have been a 5 inning game called due to weather, losing it with two outs and two strikes is simply brutal. Anyways, the M’s avoided a loss, and that is pretty importantf or the team. Trust me, I’m not going to lose any sleep over the matter.

  3. planB on April 7th, 2007 1:49 pm

    249: I’d feel more sorry for Pedro Martinez pitching nine perfect innings and then losing in the tenth. Hehe.

  4. Joe on April 7th, 2007 1:54 pm

    Well, a no-hitter in a shortened game under conditions where an excellent 3rd baseman makes 3 errors in just a couple of innings so all your runs are unearned… that’s a no-hitter with an asterisk, at the very least. You think Nolan Ryan and Sandy Koufax are going to teach him the secret handshake for that?

    So here’s a trivia question: when, if ever, was the last time Seattle was more than 45°F warmer than Cleveland during the baseball season?

  5. Joe on April 7th, 2007 2:02 pm

    253: or Harvey Haddix, who pitched a twelve inning perfect game in 1959… and still lost. And we think the M’s are bad at run support.

    You know, while I was looking that up, I found this

    After an unprecedented nine no-hitters in 1990, and on the way to eight in 1991, including one in regulation broken up in extra innings, one ended early because of weather, and one where the losing pitcher gave up no hits, but errors caused the team to lose, and the home side did not have to bat, Major League Baseball changed the rules so that only no-hit games of nine or more full innings ending with no hits are officially recognized. No-hitters and perfect games that go into extra innings because the score is tied at the end of regulation play (including 0-0 ties) are only recognized if the game finishes without it being broken up. Rain-shortened “official game” no-hitters are also no longer recognized (though they always had an “asterisk” in the record books).

    Now that’s Wikipedia, not always a bastion of accuracy, but I’m not sure where the offical rules about records are kept (as opposed to rules about how the games are played), so I don’t know if it’s a definitive answer to the question.

  6. LB on April 7th, 2007 2:11 pm

    No need to trust Wikipedia.

    This game last year was the last game of the season between the Red Sox and Orioles, a meaningless one. Devern Hansack threw five no-hit innings and the game was called early due to a monsoon.

    There’s no record book worth reading that says Devern Hansack has pitched a no hitter. says: There was a time when the effort would have been considered a no-hitter, as Hansack became just the ninth pitcher in Major League history to give up no hits in fewer than nine innings. But after Melido Perez did it with a six-inning “no-hitter” against the Yankees in New York in 1990, the rules were changed (in September 1991), thus wiping out some 50 such efforts.

  7. Hobo on April 7th, 2007 3:15 pm

    I doubt if both games will get played tomorrow.

    I wonder what this means for the rotation. With Hargrove’s fawning over Jeff Weaver being his last starter he said (coming into the season) they wouldn’t skip any starters, even when the schedule would suggest passing over the # 5 arm.

    I was really counting on seeing King Felix pitch (in person) on April 29th (what would be my first game at Safeco this season), and then opening the series with the Bombers in May.

  8. shortbus on April 7th, 2007 5:01 pm

    I was in the shower when it came to me: Not skipping Weaver is a Good Thing. Letting Weaver pitch means that the King will get a couple fewer starts this year. Bad for wins this year…good for wins next year and every year after. If by some miracle we still end up in a pennant race we might not feel so badly about the King being our “go-to guy” if he isn’t way over the 200 IP mark.

  9. DMZ on April 7th, 2007 5:55 pm

    I don’t think I’d tell anyone if I was thinking about Jeff Weaver in the shower.

  10. dw on April 7th, 2007 7:18 pm

    As I remember the rule changes, in order to have a no-hitter, you have to finish with a win with at least nine innings pitched and no hits. In the old Baseball Encyclopedia, games like Melido Perez’ 5-inning no-hitter, Harvey Haddix’ 12 1/3 innings of perfect ball, and Andy Hawkins’ 4 run, 0 hit loss were listed under “Other Notable No-Hit Performances” or something like that.

    While I love, there was something to be said about the heft and scale of the Baseball Encyclopedia. The last edition was about 50% larger than the Seattle white pages. Total Baseball, which replaced it before the internets usurped Total Baseball, was even larger.

  11. Typical Idiot Fan on April 7th, 2007 9:23 pm

    Coincidences I do not believe in.

    I just got through reading “Delaying the Game for Fun and Profit”… and… Hargrove earned himself a footnote in any future editions.

  12. Gomez on April 7th, 2007 11:00 pm

    255. I wonder why it matters whether or not a no-hitter is ‘official.’ Do pitchers get a gold watch and 10 free dinners at Sizzler from MLB if they toss an ‘official’ no-no?

  13. David J. Corcoran I on April 8th, 2007 12:14 am

    Sizzler. Yum.

  14. earinc on April 8th, 2007 12:50 am

    I just read this whole thread and the entire Lookout Landing thread, and I’ll I can add is, Mike Hargrove on Friday pulled off the single greatest rehabilitation act in MLB history. I bet he gets a standing ovation when the M’s come home. Now, I firmly believe that Grover is a terrible manager, but good lord, how can you not love the way Cleveland fans are treating this as the most Machiavellian baseball move since Shoeless Joe threw the WS? The idea that I could be cheering for Hargrove right now, even for one game, was anathema as recently as Friday morning. But what the hell, until Vidro goes 1 for 4 with runners on scoring position on Sunday, my hat’s off to him…

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