Game 4, Mariners at Red Sox
DMZ · April 10, 2007 at 9:57 am · Filed Under Game Threads
Weaver vs Beckett. 11:05, radio only. Whether that’ll be a blessing or curse is, obviously, yet to be seen.
M’s DL’ed Arthur Rhodes, retroactive to opening day, and activated Jake Woods.
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Any predictions on Weaver today?
Does horrible count as one? I’d love to be surprised, though.
5 innings/ 5ER/ 4BB/2K
Sounds about right…anyone on the over/under?
I think the game is on MLB extra innings.
I completely forgot that Rhodes was even on the team.
My Weaver prediction – Ortiz will take him deep once, as will two other Sox.
Is there any confidence that the M’s are going to win the opener of this series? Will Beckett do that much better?
We really need Weaver to step it up and be the big surprise of the year.
I wouldn’t say the M’s have no chance, but I’ve got to think they’re batting eyes are rusty, as are the pitchers. The haven’t played “normally” (i.e. without snow, or at all) since last Wednesday. Was there even anywhere they could work out, baseball-wise?
But, I don’t think Beckett’s the most consistent starter in the game, so there’s always that.
Why are they not skipping Weaver? Felix has not pitched since last Monday. Wouldn’t it be better to keep him on some kind of schedule?
What’s the deal with Rhodes?
They sent Rhodes back to Seattle to get his elbow examined. It hurt him in the spring, and he couldn’t throw in Cleveland.
They called up Woods to take his place.
#10 – convenient veteran injury
#9 – way to keep up with the conversation…
I’m still waiting to see if Victor Martinez goes on the DL. That’ll teach the Indians to whine about Friday’s game.
#12 – I haven’t check the site in days. I guess I’ll devote the next four hours hunting down an answer.
Hrm… snow in the forecast for Boston on Thursday…. yech…
They are keeping the rotation in the order it would have naturally been in…horacio started the last game, so weaver is next…simple…
There are times when you want to ask Ichiro what on earth he was thinking. Swinging at that pitch is one of those times.
Is there any further talk that they’ll cancel Thursday’s game ahead of time and do a double-header tomorrow?
Both guys have gotten themselves out on fastballs way out of the strike zone. Good to see some things never change.
Because Cleveland didn’t play, they didn’t have to decide what to do with Victor, yet.
While generally I think the M’s should start Felix today because they can, it could have something to do with his inter-game routine. He simply might not be ready to pitch today.
Turbo with a groundball. News at 11.
Good to see that our hitters aren’t rusty. They’re playing just like they were on Wednesday.
Over the plate Weaver…..
we’ll get a couple runs…just need weaver not to get shelled…
Weaver’s first three pitches of the game: 88, 86, 87. All fastballs. Oy.
Nice start, Jeff…
So… errrrr… any chance for any rain?
Ball 5….. ball 6…..
5 pitches, all balls, topping out at 88. This looks baaad.
I think we found the cure for Boston’s OBP problems.
HEY!!! A STRIKE!!!
What the hell Jeff.
Hargrove needs to go out there and stall until it starts snowing in Thursday.
sympathy strike…
I vote that Jeff Weaver retires between innings.
If he can’t break 90, he’s not going to make it to June.
Jeff Weaver is making me miss Ryan Franklin. Kill me now.
hell… he may not make it past April 10 the way he’s going….
89, but it only went 58 feet.
Guys, we’re talking about a World Series Veteran here. You need to stop being so caught up in stats like “balls” and “strikes” and “speed.”
good call by Lugo not to test Guillen’s arm. Not with Ortiz coming up. But I’m looking forward to seeing the “cannon”
Can we be caught up in an $8.3m contract?
Good God Weaver sucks.
a triple play get’s him out of the inning though…
a triple play gets him out of the inning though…
Get Woods up. Now.
He finally gets over 90, throwing a 91 MPH meatball right down the middle.
This is going to get very ugly.
I’m amazed that the Sox somehow haven’t scored yet.
Time for the triple play!
Jeff Weaver is a tremendous baseball player.
Manny is concievably slow enough to be tripled up.
Great pick-up Bavasi. Weaver is probably wishing he could pitch to Vidro right now.
How about the quadruple play? Its the master plan.
Now Manny gets to sit fastball. We’re looking at like a 70% chance of a grand slam here.
J. Weaver…. hmmm… Jared’s a pretty damn good pitcher… I’ll go ahead and sign J. Weaver up….
What is Chavez saying there?
“I wish you were your brother.”
“Can we have our money back?”
“Don’t stress, this game is over already.”
Something like that.
Is anyone else looking at Jeff Weaver’s Gameday picture? He looks like a stoned child molester.
stop pitching to lose!
New strategy, prevent the grand slam by walking Manny…. /wrists
I thought they were using a picture of T-Bag from Prison Break as a joke.
3-1…
Who’s in trouble?
*sigh*
hopefully it’ll only be a long 1 run single off the top of the Monster.
Bring in the King.
Bad throw from Ichiro because he wants to sabotage a Crisp/Ichiro deadline day trade…
I know I’m in the minority on this, but Ichiro’s got one of the least accurate arms in baseball. He makes more throws way up the line than almost any other outfielder in the game.
And Weaver still sucks.
Weaver is already barking at himself in the first inning of his first start. Great.
He is a meltdown just waiting to happen.
So if we never actually record an out, at some point it’ll rain and the game will be called.
J.D. Drew is on my fantasy team – Looks like I’ll be having a good day…
Bring in the King, Washburn or Sean White.
Bring in the King, Washburn or Sean White.
63. Agreed. That was an overzealous Little League throw.
has weaver broken 86 yet?
The first out of the game went 400 feet.
I dissagree about Ichiro’s accuracy. He occasionally throws off line but less than a lot of the other throws I see from other players.
It looks like he’s trying to hard (sacrificing accuracy for power) when he throws up the line.
I’ve seen 89
Weaver has thrown 17 balls and 13 strikes. 3 of those strikes were actual strikes, with the other 10 coming off hits or foul balls. Nice.
At this rate we’ll only lose the game 48-0.
Speaking of little league, Richie Sexson’s defense…
Weaver’s hit 91 once and 89 a few times.
I am so glad I am not watching this right now, radio is bad enough.
Does Weaver have a swinging strike yet? Even if he did, one or two out of 13 portends BIG, BIG trouble.
For those of us watching on gameday, how did Ortiz not score? What happened?
That pitch was a foot high.
#79: Nope. All called strike or foul tips.
Richie misjudged an infield fly.
So this is a $250,000 start, assuming Weaver lasts the year and makes 32 starts. Well, I guess it could be worse…
2 walks, 3 hits. This is bad.
Infield popup, Sexson lost it in the sun, it fell on the dirt and they forced Manny at second.
No excuse for walking Varitek. His bat is so slow, even Weaver should be able to throw something by him.
Ugh.
The Anti-Felix
He’s basically abandoned his fastball at this point. Now he’s just throwing hanging curves and high changeups.
If you want to have a chance to win the game you might want to warm someone up.
Well, at least the pitcher’s due up next…
D’oh!
Weaver’s trying his hardest to walk in a run this inning.
#84: You could look at it as a $250,000 inning. I doubt we see much more of him.
Jef Weaver = FA money well-spent
Weaver’s pitching style: slow and high -above the strikezone
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nobody warming in the pen?
Not a good sign when you abandon your fastball in the first inning.
I was actually a bit optimistic about the Weaver deal when it first went down. It was (and still is) a low-risk move with a chance for some decent return.
I know one start does not a season make, but that $8 million pricetag is looking pretty damn big right now…
Arrrrgh. After patiently waiting for a week to see a game and we get this.
Bender,
I thought the accident you were talking about was something else…
Coco Crisp.
Weaver wants Beckett to know what it’s like to be rusty.
Woods warming.
Hey, it was fun being over .500 for a long time, right?
Weaver must be having flashbacks to his Yankee days. I remember my friend was at Fenway during the playoffs a few years ago and the fans were chanting “Bring in Weaver! We want more runs!”. Indeed.
can he be mercifully taken oout yet?
who do we have for the season’s first junk-time pitcher?
Well, so far Batista, HoRam, and Weaver have made very similar debuts for your Seattle Mariners.
Sidearm? He doesn’t normally throw sidearm does he?
Well that brings his ERA down to 36.0…
Good to have a rookie in the lineup so you get some of those “respect” strike calls. At least that’s the way they looked on radio.
Is this a USSM record for comments through 1 inning?
99: I understand the sentiment, but *this* probably has as much about the team not having played for a week, and Weaver not having thrown a competitive pitch for a couple as it is anything else.
Not that Weaver hasn’t deserved this mess, but this inning has really highlighted the criticisms of Johjima by Ray Fosse. He is just stabbing at the balls, even ones which are coming in thigh high. A little framing would be nice. Johjima is not usually this bad, maybe he needs to work some more with Weaver to learn how his ball comes to the plate or something.
I enjoyed those Sox fans telling their buddy what an idiot he was for reaching over and interfering with Crisp’s double. You could see they were ashamed to be with him.
The back end of the rotation… seems to be a fitting moniker for Seattle’s 3-4-5 starters.
I hope that this isn’t one of those 2-hit, 0-walk days for the offense.
what a relief. always nice to see M’s starters do their best Charlie Brown impression…
Nobody seems to realise Weaver hasn’t faced hitters (& umpires) in almost 2 weeks. Give him a break, nobody’s good every game out anyway…
Johjima had absolutely nothing to do with that inning. Weaver wasn’t close with his balls. There was no framing to be done.
I’m wondering if I would feel any better if the M’s had been able to sign Weaver for $2.5M rather than $8.3M. I just have to remember that this is a sunk cost, and the start isn’t costing the team anything.
Give me a break. Framing a pitch works in high school. Maybe.
Last Play: R. Sexson struck out swinging
sigh…
113: its looking to be that way. how many consecutive hitless innings do the M’s have…?
Glad I’m not actually watching this game
For those interested, the M’s now have a 13% chance of winning this game, according to Win Probability. Weaver’s WPA for the first inning was -.29, meaning he reduced the teams chances of winning by 29% by himself, in one inning.
Deja vu. Next inning, same leadoff hitter. Let’s hope they don’t go 9 deep this time.
Last hit – Raul Ibanez in the 7th against the A’s.
This is hasty and rash, but the Mariners’ offense could quite possibly be the worst in the league this year. Beltre/Vidro/Ibanez/Sexson/Guillen middle of the lineup is frighteningly awful.
whew!
well, now that weaver has their number he can handle them. his strategy is to get a look at each batter in the first then just kill them for the next inning. then he usually needs to be taken out because he’s already thrown 118 pitches.
Another meatball down the middle. Just put in Woods.
So has Grover given up on this game? I can’t imagine why there isn’t someone else warming up or coming in.
Isn’t Weaver on a pitch count or something?
Now a 7% chance to win
Can you imagine being picked for a promotion that requires a Mariner pitcher to strike out the side? Like this?
“Hi, I’m calling to tell you you’ve been selected to participate in a contest this week-”
“Oooh! Which one?”
“If the M’s pitcher strikes out three batters…”
“Uh… do I get to pick the day?”
“No. You get Tuesday. Jeff Weaver’s pitching.”
“Why did you bother to call me?”
FINALLY! Woods is up. I feel humiliated just listening to Weaver pitch like crap…
Will this disaster be enough to fire Bavasi before the All-Star break?
If he hasn’t given up, he should. Make Weaver throw 200 pitches. A 40-0 loss is the same as a 10-0 loss.
actually, the good news is weaver will be lights out in his next appearance. that’s how he pitched in LA.
go ahead and pencil in a W for his next start…if the batters wake up by then.
Can’t wait to hear all the “but we haven’t played in so long!” excuses after the game.
Okay, he got hosed there – that was strike three to Ortiz.
It’ll be interesting to see how Johjima does tomorrow with Hernandez, Opening Day, Johjima looked like pure crap behind the plate. Catching could develop into a major problem this year.
Rumors are Bloomquist is now the backup catcher…Grover demoted Burke in favor of carrying a weatherman on the bench…GO M’S
In the home run derby, the participants get tired by the later rounds. Eventually they’ll start hitting those meatballs for outs.
Was I ever off on my original thought on how Weaver would do.
Check post #3
Where are you getting the win percentages on the fly?
Jeff Weaver, ladies and gentlemen. Ugh…
dear god. just let woods warm up on the mound. he can’t be worse than that!
Didn’t Grover decide to keep 13 pitchers?
So we have the worst lineup, arguably, in baseball..and the worst 3-5 starters in both the majors and AAA.
Fangraphs has a live WPA scoreboard. Believe it or not, that home run only cut the M’s chances of winning by 3%. M’s now have a 4% chance of winning.
Win percentage drops into the fractions of a percent…
The Red Sox announcer are openly ignoring the game, interviewing Hawk Harrelson. They haven’t even acknowledged that there is a game going on.
What did we do wrong as fans to deserve Bavasi…I want to cry..its not a shock to see Vidro stink…Horam stink, Batista stink, Weaver stink…and Soriano do well…we all knew this would happen but Bavasi somehow believed we were better…I HATE HIM.
Why is Lopez hitting 9th?
I wouldn’t say that looking ugly at catcher is a “major problem”. Costing runs is a major problem. Stabbing at the ball is fodder for color men who need something to natter about.
ok, just tuning in, I say ‘blessing’.
On the bright side, at least we didn’t get Zito or Schmidt…
First run in seven days! Go team….? Is Weaver’s pitch count high enough that Hargrove won’t give him another “chance” to screw up out there and just put Woods in?
Someday Jose Lopez is going to be released or traded because the team is going to think the only thing he can do is ground out to second base. And then whoever ends up with him will let him hit like he did throughout his minor league career and the M’s will be left looking really, really stupid.
The announcers will be starting the Dice-K/Felix hype by the 3rd inning.
What possible reason can Hargrove have for leaving Weaver in? Does he know there’s a blizzard coming in the 4th?
I would wish for a lightning storm and some well-placed bolts, but that would be wrong and I don’t actually wish anyone any physical harm.
How do we have the worst line-up in baseball?
Phew.
Odds that Hargrove chalks up this start just to having too many days off? I say 100%, with no acknowledgment whatsoever that skipping Weaver in the rotation might have been a good idea.
155: we are in total agreement
148- There isn’t really a game going on is there?
153: seroiusly…
Of our four #4s, I am counting on one of them to be #2/#3 good and one to win the Pineiro Award. We are seeing a good candidate for the award today.
Can we just punt this season?
I can think of at least 10 lineups worse than the m’s.
Is Dave Valle doing any play by play on TV this year? He drives me nuts but he was just on the radio rambling on in an ad for some hair replacement thing he went through. So now I am curious as to how that’s working out for him. I guess we’ll see as the year progresses. I really shouldn’t be interested in that topic but, it’s either that or pay attention to this horrible game (and Rick Rizzs).
#156 But don’t worry! What they fail to mention about Jeff Weaver’s horrific performance today in favor of Felix/Dice-K/Ichiro, ESPN will surely make up for tomorrow. I bet we’ll even get to see film on ESPN…
Can we just reset this season?
Will Papi/Manny get 8 plate appearances?
Lugo just gave one of the dumbest interviews ever.
We look like a little-league team out there.
Piss-poor performance.
Boy, Felix better be ready to win 25 games.
Tek’s gonna get a teammate hurt taking he extra base in this kind of game.
Each? Maybe.
bavasi’ll get desparate and trade Jones/Triunfel for Javier Vasquez
Will Papi/Manny get 8 plate appearances?
Between the two of them, yes. “Manny Ortez,” as John Kerry would say.
#166– he is now the KOMO post-game analyst, so he might be available if there was a need for a sudden substitution …
171: He’ll post a sub-2 ERA and go 16-12
Betancourt is awesome.
How bad does Vidro have to be for how long before something changes? I don’t mean DFA’ing him or anything, just an openness to stop relying on him.
Turbo with another groundout…shocking
They haven’t even acknowledged that there is a game going on.
Well, jeez, Hargrove didn’t; why should Remy and Orsillo?
Did Weaver just change jerseys so he could keep pitching?
well, like, duh.
I say after a couple of months he’ll get moved down in the order, but nobody will ever admit signing Not Carl Everett was a mistake. The excuses were built in before the season: he has a Proven Track Record, he’s switching leagues, and getting used to a new “position.”
Lowell’s pic on gamecast makes him look 85 years old…oh, wait…
After that YuBet error, the front office is breathing a sigh of relief because, at least for today, they can rationalize Weaver’s crap job with “But look how bad everyone was! YuBet made an error that he should have had! Woods didn’t pitch well either! It was that damn weather.”
Will Hargove burn through his bullpen today to give them some “live action”? This is a practice game now.
This game is officially a travesty. When bat-in-vat-of-molasses Varitek gets two hits…you have a big problem.
I’m beginning to wonder if this team is good at all. I mean, jeebus.
Three times through the lineup in four innings.
Wow.
While I generally think scorers are far too stingy with the errors, I wouldn’t have given one to Yuni, there. The ball bounced off the mound, so it changed direction pretty significantly on the way to him – he was out of position through no fault of his own.
At least they’re ‘pitching to contact’.
M’s staff so far: 125 pitches through 4 innings.
I haven’t seen an ass pounding like this since Ben Affleck whaled on that kid in Dazed & Confused….
Fangraphs is now displaying Boston’s win percentage as 100%. I can now go about my normal daytime business.
This is going to be a very useful time-saving tool for the 2007 season.
I personally think it’s a fantastic idea to send Brandon Morrow into this mess. First batter…David Ortiz.
What do you think?
Where were the Seattle scouts when we signed Jeff Weaver with his 85 mph fastball?
Question: Why were some people happy that we didnt have to play Cleveland for 4 games? Did they know we had the Red Sox waiting to sweep us?
We want Bibens-Dirkx! We want Bibens-Dirkx!
Brandon Morrow, I’d like to introduce you to West Tennessee.
Horrible. Just horrible. The good news is: I can start shopping for my Grover Going Away Party costume this afternoon.
I am going to eat my coffee cup when the Red Sox bench puts up six more runs on us. This is asinine.
Ahhh, so this is why we kept Morrow up.
nice. now molasses-bat can park one over the monster for a slam.
Luckily Francona was merciful and pinch-hit for Manny and Drew. But it’s still bases loaded w/ no outs.
196- We still have Felix, so there is some hope at least once every 5 days…
What the-? I step away from my desk for a few seconds and Hargrove decides to further damage the youngster by putting him in a horrible situation in Fenway. Morrow’s gonna quit baseball after this abuse.
Are all the Mariners now just trying to make Weaver feel better by playing horribly themselves?
The management must really like looking stupid. I doubt they’ll send Morrow down, because they will indeed look very dumb. So now the kid is on the 40 man when he had no reason to be in the first place. I hate this team.
Hargrove has a way of inspiring these kinds of team efforts.
To get through 5 innings, Josh Beckett through 60 pitches. To get through 5 innings, Weaver/Woods/Morrow threw 153 pitches.
Varitek must be hoping that he can play against the Ms all the time. It would really help his numbers.
Ichiro, you can’t hit that pitch. Stop swinging at it.
Just tuning in and holy frick.
I’m starting to re-think the Gillick as bad GM line of reasoning.
Adrian, you can’t hit that pitch. Stop swinging at it.
How has Ichiro looked at the plate? The play-by-play seems to indicate he’s having an off day.
This 400-gazillion-to-one strikeout to walk hitting approach of the Mariners doesn’t seem to be paying off yet.
This is the most embarrassing game ever.
The team’s batting stats must look atrocious, and would be even worse if that first Cleveland game counted.
I can hardly wait…
Only one hour left until we can listen to the future when Wisconsin plays Clinton here. It’s a good bet that it will be a better game…
Julio Mateo is in the ball game folks. Thank you, Jesus.
This is a perfect Mateo game. Note to Grover, this is his proper role…mop up.
I realize that Gillick was like cotton candy, delightfully sweet in the short term, but at the same time rotting your teeth if you eat too much. On the other hand, I did enjoy winning…that was nice, wasn’t it?
The construction of this roster is inexplicable in so many ways that it makes it hard for a thinking fan to want to root for the team.
And we all knew Weaver would be bad… but this bad? Tell me why he couldn’t have been skipped this round?
Interesting factoid. Beckett and Matsuzaka now have something in common, besides being Red Sox.
I do hope Morrow is being hustled to Logan for an afternoon flight into Memphis.
What an ugly game. It’s sad when Mateo is throwing better than the first three guys to appear.
My question about Ichiro reads like snark, but it wasn’t meant to be. It’s not every day he strikes out 3 times. There *were* a couple games last year when he totally seemed to be going through the motions; I’m wondering if today was like that.
Beckett’s line looks terrific. If he keeps it up Boston’s going to have a terrific rotation, even minus Papelbon.
Nope. April 29, 1986.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA200409100.shtml
Yeah, well what you’re going through right now is the dental work that comes from eating all that cotton candy. Hold still, please. We still have three more root canals to do.
Let’s play two!
Turbo: 0-3; three groundouts
So when the M’s totally blow it this year and if the FO does the right thing by firing Hargrove and Bavasi, can we expect another five years of losing when whoever comes in decides to actually rebuild? And if so, wat’re the odds that whoever takes over does something stupid like trade Felix for some prospects since we’re not going to win now anyway?
And if just one guy gets on ahead of him, he can end the game with 0-4 groundout.
Ah, turbolicious.
Do you know what sucks?
This is only the fourth game of the year, and already I feel like the season is lost.
I’m an objective person, not overly pessimistic, and I know that a lot can happen in the next five months.
So the depressing, painfuly feelings I have must be blamed on the village idiots – Bavasi and Hargrove.
231: your point brings up one of the bright spots, in my mind. Bavasi, unlike Gillick, will not have left the cupboard bare. Rather, we have talent at the lower levels of this organization. (Of course, this makes the Snelling and Soriano deals all the more maddening, since there would have been a significant cadre of youth to build around) But we need not necessarily conclude that new management will equal 5 more years of losing.
You’d think the Red Sox would just want to get this game over with, but I guess they can’t help but hit the meatballs being served up there.
Morrow: 27 pitches, 11 strikes.
How many outings like this will it take before management comes to its senses, if possible, and sends him down?
Eh… mail it in. the Mariners did, after all.
The M’s are going to retaliate next inning, and we’re going to have a brawl. It’s inevitable.
Woah…ejection? Wow! How bad was the plunk?
When Julio Mateo threw the best inning of the five pitchers thrown out there today, what does that say about the rest of the staff? So far the Ms have been outwalked 17-4. Sure its a small sample, but can it get much worse than that? So glad I’m not watching this game.
Wow, that was unexpected.
three ejections…man, this is a little interesting, I guess
we won’t retaliate, we’re not sending Putz in there to throw a couple of pitches. On the other hand, why the hell are we sending in Putz?
So we have the Weaverific outing today, we have the King tomorrow, and then…? I was looking at the weather forcast for Boston, and I think the weather.com folks have a suggestion for the Mariners, or at least the fans, on Thursday…
Rietsma’s 4.50 is the lowest ERA of any M’s pitcher in this game today.
239 – CBS Sportsline blogger says says Kenji was plunked on the thigh.
Good heavens, when ultimate home-team announcer Dave Niehaus says, “… the team looks like they’ve forgotten how to play…” you KNOW you’re in the tank. Sheeesh.
upside: we will see Turbo in the 9th. Prediction GIDP to end the game.
So who was the third guy ejected after Guillen struck out?
You know, this might not be a bad strategy all season: get a tit-for-tat ejection to remove a pitcher. Would work better with Vidro, though, so the M’s don’t lose anything of value in the exchange.
Wish I hadn’t made comment 113
246: thanks
The 9th inning brings up the following 3 “hitters” for the Ms:
Jason Ellison
Willie Bloomquist
Jose Vidro
Could you contruct a weaker set of 1-3 hitters in a major league game?
Nah. Neihaus does a decently good job of calling it like it is. I’ve heard him mention how much this team sucks before.
Now if Rizzs had said it…
There had better be a retaliation…
Didn’t we hear that a lot last season, when the Ms got into their streaky funks? (Basically, a knock against Hargrove….)
If not for the presence of Ellison and Bloomquist, I would not have ruled out the possibility of a GITP by Turbo.
You know, I’m also a hockey fan. And I’m fine with hockey fights. Don’t love them, but don’t mind them. But for some reason, I can’t stand baseball brawls. They seem so… disingenuous. And the fact that 60 year old managers and coaches are out there in in… just strange to me.
253 – not unless they were pitchers…
How prophetic. Ellison, Bloomquist, and Vidro just might help make that happen for you.
I wonder who Felix is going to plunk tomorrow?
#243. None of the relievers has thrown a live pitch in a week, is why.
WFB can’t even give me a chance to see the GITP…dang
Bringing in Putz, fantastic…Hargrove knew i needed his fantasy points today!
I know what you mean. I’ve never played organized baseball, but there just isn’t as much contact or proximity between players like there is in hockey. Compared with the constant physical nature of hockey, football, and even basketball, baseball seems to have an inordinately high number of fights. I’m not saying I’d want to be hit by a 95 mph fastball, but I don’t see how that’s more likely to starta brawl than half the stuff hockey players get away with.
Sign Timlin!! He already looks like a Mariner pitcher!
Yeah!!! A run! “In play, run(s)” never gets old…well, today it did, on the defensive side of things.
Seems wrong that the Baseball Gods will only bestow one loss upon the M’s for today’s efforts. The boys laid enough stink for at least two or three.
Nightmare senario, first inning, curveball gets away from felix, paranoid umpire ejects him, M’s lose 10-0. Dream scenario, M’s win 1-0.
Hockey players get away with stuff because they know everybody else on the ice knows how to fight. You don’t start something unless you’re seriously aggieved, because there’s a good chance you’ll have your ass handed to you, or at least take a few decent shots while you’re pounding on the other guy. Most baseball players can’t fight, so brawls don’t amount to much usually, and the hot heads just end up looking stupid (like Don Zimmer vs Pedro, or Robin Ventura getting schooled by Nolan Ryan).
268 – MLB should retroactively give the M’s 3 losses for the Cleveland series too (giving them 1 win for Felix’s start). A strong case could be made based on today’s performance.
what a shock, richie sexson driving in runs at the end of a game thats already been lost…
Would it be a bad time to say that Washington is turning Fruto into a starter and he threw 6 scoreless today for the AAA team?
Too early to that Weaver is going to entirely suck. He seems to need fine control to get by and the chance he would have it after all that time off is minimal.
If Hernandez had gotten bombed after such a long layoff (and he well might tomorrow), we’d lay it off to rustiness. Give Weaver the benefit of a doubt is all I’m saying.
Ditto for Hargrove. He only uses his brain on game days.
I’ve said it before, no way that Weaver and Ramirez make it through the year as Mariners.
I just saw a copy of the Mariner’s magazine with our three new pitchers on the cover. Even the PR writers where having a hard time find good things to say about them.
The ironic thing is the “Parting Shot” picture on the last page. It is a picture of Ichiro and Grover. Why do I think the message behind that is, ‘say goodbye to Ichiro and Grover.’
embarrasing?
oh, I think the up-12-runs game in Cleveland must be mentioned …
I think that makes Fruto the best starting pitcher in the Nationals’ system.
273 – Actually, Fruto threw 6 *hitless* innings today in AAA.
Well, it HAS been a small sample size for the Little Three (Ramirez, Weaver et al)…but that said…man have they STUNK so far…
#278
Yeah, how many walks did Fruto have?
#280
Fruto’s line: 6 IP, 1 BB, 5 K, 0 R
So you’re saying the team are dunces at developing pitching talent as well as recognizing pitching talent…
(Yeah, yeah, small sample size…but I never miss a chance to take a cheap shot).
Well, it HAS been a small sample size for the Little Three (Ramirez, Weaver et al)…but that said…man have they STUNK so far…
What’re you talking about; Ramirez hasn’t even pitched yet.
Ahem.
Good point. Despite the date, we’ve only played 4 games. And we’re 2-2. The Yankees and Devil Rays both started 2-2.
sigh. the Indians don’t seem to have any rust after sitting for 5 days …
Small number of innings pitched, yes, but a depressingly large number of walks, hits and pitches thrown…
Snelling started in left today. 0-2 so far. Come on, Doyle hit a couple of homers!
I was at this game today. Very very weird. You start with an opening day crowd which is disproportionately “look at me, I’m so important” types. Combine that with 45 degree temperatures, overcast weather and steady breezes and you get an oddly quiet crowd.
In the pregame ceremonies they botched the introduction of the 1967 Red Sox to the disappointment of everyone around me.
I’m apparently one of the few Sox fans who didn’t think Derek Lowe’s every cranky facial expression portended doom. But Weaver had the worst body language ever going right from the start.
I got to look really smart (I have to cherish such opportunities when they arise) in the 7th. I just finished telling someone that Guillen was supposedly the guy who ratted out Donnelly for use of pine tar in his glove and bam. Verbal jousting etc.
Not sure what to say about the M’s. They didn’t look right in the field or at bat. I’m sure Beckett was part of that but he’s so odd. He walks no one over 7 innings but as is often the case he seems to get behind an inordinate number of hitters for a pitcher who isn’t walking anyone. Odd game, hard to draw too many inferences from it.
If it’s any consolation, I was in Fenway for the game when the Sox beat the Marlins 25-8. The Sox didn’t even make an out till something like the 12th batter of the game. That was the year the Marlins won the World Series for the second time.
So, any word in the Boston media if Francona called Hargrove to apologize today for what his team did to the M’s?
He now seems to have 1 of the 3 Nat hits, but it’s a mere double. And the M’s got one of those from Betancourt today, so Bavasi doesn’t look so bad.
This was a really entertaining thread filled with witty and snarky comments. Thanks guys.
Hmmm, the long layoff didn’t seem to hurt the Indians as much. They’re currently beating the Angels though it’s a higher scoring game than I would have expected.
Huddy was making most every one look bad today.
I keep switching from game to game … I feel like I have to get my fill of baseball in tonight, as I am off to visit a friend who would never think to turn on a ball game
Bavasi looks bad because Vidro didn’t get a double, it’s Vidro that’s gettting the AB’s Snelling should be…
The T-Rats Looked Nearly as Futile in thier double-header today scoring 2 runs on 5 hits (with 5 errors) while giving up 19 runs on 23 hits (over 2 7 inning contests.) Triunfel was 1-3 with a SO in each contest (no R or RBI). I had almost forgotten we had another Hargrove down there, he had the only T-Rat Rbi in the second game.
in former Mariner news, Brett Tomko (now pitching a nice game for the Dodgers) drew the giveaway poster for Jackie Robinson night in LA, and a handsome one it is
The Mariners have not won a game in a week.
Guillen on Donnelly hitting Johjima:
I’m starting to like Guillen. He may be an ass, but he’s my kind of ass.
I like that too…