Game 30, Mariners at Tigers

DMZ · May 10, 2007 at 9:00 am · Filed Under Game Threads 

Jeff Weaver gets a chance to start in a flyball-friendly park against Justin Verlander. 10:05 am. No TV.

The Mariners are a half-game out of first place. They’ve been outscored by opponents by some amount of runs, yet there they are. The margins for the others? A’s +13, the Angels +5, Rangers -36. So it’s not as if the competition’s been particularly fierce.

Part of the reason it feels weird is that the team’s played, well, check this out.

Number of times the offense scored that many runs as “.”
Number of times the pitching allowed that many runs as “+”


0 - ..+++
1 - ..+
2 - ...+++++
3 - .....+
4 - ....+++
5 - ....+++
6 - .+++
7 - ...+
8 - ..++++
9 - .++
10
11 ++
12
13
14 .+
15 .

Comments

330 Responses to “Game 30, Mariners at Tigers”

  1. Greg08 on May 10th, 2007 6:47 pm

    weaver is terrible

    Can Weaver even COUNT to his era?

  2. DizzleChizzle on May 10th, 2007 7:24 pm

    #294 So you’d be pretty confident with him coming out of the bullpen with let’s say a 1 run lead?

  3. Gomez on May 10th, 2007 7:25 pm

    I wanna see Terry name out the eight center fielders that are better than Ichiro.

  4. awolfgang on May 10th, 2007 7:26 pm

    I know the ERA validity argument has been beaten to death in this post, and I 100% agree with Dave and the other 99% of the ussmariner nation that believe ERA is useless for accurate pitcher evaulation. I read the evaluating a pitcher post just last week and think it should be required reading for all Baseball announcers and writers.

    So how about this middle ground:
    From baseball-reference.com

    GmSc – Game Score – This is a value created by Bill James that evaluates how good a pitcher’s start was.

    Start with 50 points. Add 1 point for each out recorded, (or 3 points per inning). Add 2 points for each inning completed after the 4th. Add 1 point for each strikeout. Subtract 2 points for each hit allowed. Subtract 4 points for each earned run allowed. Subtract 2 points for each unearned run allowed. Subtract 1 point for each walk.

    Mariners’ W-L
    GmSc => 50 11-0
    GmSc

  5. awolfgang on May 10th, 2007 7:27 pm

    the last should have been GmScr below 50 4-15

  6. DMZ on May 10th, 2007 7:35 pm

    Game score is fun, like quality starts, but it’s nothing more than that.

  7. John D. on May 10th, 2007 8:33 pm

    Game score is fun, like quality starts, but it’s nothing more than that. (See # 306.)

    And it’s quite subjective. Suppose Bill had valued economy of pitches as much as he did strikeouts, giving a point for each pitch below 100? Then KERRY WOOD would no longer hold the distinction of having pitched the best game in MLB history It would be Red Barrett.
    http://tinyurl.com/cgjay

  8. awolfgang on May 10th, 2007 8:42 pm

    The only thing I think that it shows is that the M’s bullpen and the batters haven’t blown a well pitched game by the pitcher, and they have managed to overcome 4 poorly pitched games.

  9. Mariners_World_Series_Bound on May 10th, 2007 10:08 pm

    New template looks great, good job DMZ&Company.

    I am succumbing to the “ERA is not a great way to evalutate pitcher talent” arguement.

    I’m also dropping the Doyle comments, wasn’t aware so many dug him so much around here.

  10. msb on May 10th, 2007 10:16 pm

    that Brandon Inge, sharp as a tack–

    “It’s an easy difference,” said Inge, who saw Weaver last season when the right-hander helped the Cardinals win the World Series. “He pitched well then, not so well today.”

  11. msb on May 10th, 2007 10:33 pm

    new template doesn’t adequately convey contagious and sunny optimism of USSM authors and community

    what you said.

  12. CSG on May 10th, 2007 10:54 pm

    #302

    First I’d like to see him in mop up work, just to see if the move to the bullpen does help him out. I wouldn’t immediately throw him into high-leverage situations, as he’s never been a reliever.

  13. Axtell on May 10th, 2007 11:30 pm

    How terrible a pitcher are you when you throw 5 1/3, you give up 6 runs, and your ERA actually goes down?

    Weaver’s now 0-6, and he’s not getting better…when Felix comes back, is Weaver done? I’d rather the M’s simply cut him loose and pay him his salary than give this guy any more chances to lose games. And bullpen work? Please, he’s obviously not cut out to be a MLB pitcher.

  14. Beniitec on May 10th, 2007 11:43 pm

    I like the new look as well. Great work fellas.

  15. Tak on May 11th, 2007 1:01 am

    Great template, I love it. Good job.

    #313 – Hopefully they can convince him to play for the Angels so he gives them negative contribution. Maybe that’s worth a few million.

  16. 88fingerslukee on May 11th, 2007 7:11 am

    Hey Derek, what about the enhanced post buttons? Are they coming back?

  17. 88fingerslukee on May 11th, 2007 7:13 am

    Also, would it be difficult to put a year on the date for your posts? When I go check out previous year posts the date is there but I can’t tell which year it’s from. Not a huge thing, but it would be nice.

  18. gwangung on May 11th, 2007 7:45 am

    Like the look, hate the blockquote (can’t read ’em; the contrast is often very wonky).

    AT MOST….mop up work for Weaver. He shouldn’t even get near the start of a game.

    But, of course….there’s a world of difference between “should” and “will”…

  19. 88fingerslukee on May 11th, 2007 8:15 am

    Agreed, the blockquote is weak. It’s almost impossible to read. Perhaps just making the font darker. not sure about all that though.

  20. DMZ on May 11th, 2007 8:45 am

    Stop complaining. Especially if it’s on the to-do list. Seriously, it’s really annoying.

  21. Steve T on May 11th, 2007 9:40 am

    I think you should move everything a little over to the left, and then a little back over to the right.

  22. Evan on May 11th, 2007 10:03 am

    I think you should move everything a little over to the left, and then a little back over to the right.

    LET’S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN!

  23. eponymous coward on May 11th, 2007 10:12 am

    I think that rather than conveying contagious and sunny optimism, your theme should be conveying gritty intangibles. Call it the “Willie Bloomquist” theme.

    Can we add that to the to-do list?

  24. PositivePaul on May 11th, 2007 10:22 am

    Hmmm. Another to add to the “Theme To Do Items” list:

    There’s not enough beer. Need more beer.

    kthxbye!

  25. westfried on May 11th, 2007 10:23 am

    In the meantime, you can highlight the blockquote with your mouse, which makes it look dark blue.

    Thanks for all the work on the site, Derek.

  26. eponymous coward on May 11th, 2007 10:25 am

    Also, we should be upping the quota of Unjustified Vidro Hatred in the theme.

  27. msb on May 11th, 2007 10:43 am

    cowbell?

  28. gwangung on May 11th, 2007 10:43 am

    Also, shouldn’t there be a couple hundred units of snark built into the template…

    Plus a minor temple or two for Doyle worship…

    I’d be very surprised NOT to see Weaver in the rotation again. Pleasantly surprised, but surprised nonetheless…

  29. 88fingerslukee on May 11th, 2007 10:43 am

    “Stop complaining. Especially if it’s on the to-do list. Seriously, it’s really annoying.”

    Sorry, I thought that I read the To Do list and didn’t see those in there. I apologize about the “complaining”.

  30. eponymous coward on May 11th, 2007 10:53 am

    From DMZ’s post:

    “Please don’t just complain – I need help a lot more than I need to hear that we suck or whatever.

    Also, and I can’t stress this enough: this is not my strong point. I wouldn’t do this if I didn’t have to. So help, or leave me and the people who are helping alone.”

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