Game 38, Padres at Mariners

DMZ · May 19, 2007 at 6:37 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

Greg Maddux, future Hall of Famer, versus Horacio Ramirez. While Maddux is certainly not the absolutely amazing pitcher he used to be, you have to wonder what he might do to carve up this SHOCKING MARINER LINEUP!!

CF-L Ichiro!
DH-B Turbo
RF-R Guillen
1B-L Broussard
3B-R Beltre
C-R Johjima
2B-R Lopez
SS-R Willie “The Ignitor” Bloomquist
LF-R Ellison

What did Hargrove say about lineup changes? That once you started making changes, it was a sign of desperation or something? I forget.


185 Responses to “Game 38, Padres at Mariners”

  1. Mike G. on May 19th, 2007 9:43 pm

    I wonder what Port Orchard’s ISO is at…

  2. Des71 on May 19th, 2007 9:44 pm

    Kid Dy-no-mite will retire the Padres 1-2-3!

  3. Mike G. on May 19th, 2007 9:44 pm

    Ken Griffey Jr.?

  4. theraven on May 19th, 2007 9:46 pm

    153. Was just going to say that Mike.

  5. Des71 on May 19th, 2007 9:47 pm

    153. I have erased “Mr. I want to go home to be with my family” from my love list. However, it was Griffey Jr. that made me an M’s fan.

  6. dnc on May 19th, 2007 9:47 pm

    144 – I’m not sue that ARod’s biggest success has been with other teams. In fact, I’m almost positive it wasn’t.

  7. Des71 on May 19th, 2007 9:48 pm


  8. theraven on May 19th, 2007 9:48 pm

    I still root like crazy for Griffey. I saw the D-backs home opener this year and they just happened to be playing the Reds. It was nice seeing Junior live again.

  9. Mike G. on May 19th, 2007 9:50 pm

    His years in Texas were pretty successful.

  10. Des71 on May 19th, 2007 9:51 pm

    156. Check A-rod’s three seasons 2001-03 with the Rangers.

  11. dnc on May 19th, 2007 9:52 pm

    Yes, but don’t you have to park adjust the hell out of his Rangers stats?

    His 00 season has to be the gold standard of his career once you consider park factors. This year could surpass it, but it’s still way early to conclude that.

  12. dnc on May 19th, 2007 9:53 pm

    Also, ARod was here much longer than he was in Texas, and had more team success.

    It’s either Seattle or NYY for ARod – Texas isn’t even in the discussion IMO.

  13. apunetid on May 19th, 2007 9:54 pm

    M’s win!

  14. jefffrane on May 19th, 2007 9:55 pm

    JJ always makes it a little exciting.

  15. theraven on May 19th, 2007 9:55 pm

    That was weird, the video went down and after a couple minutes it came back and was showing the Padres feed instead of the M’s.

  16. bergamot on May 19th, 2007 9:55 pm

    Now we’ll probably hear that Mike Hargrove is a lineup constructing genius. Maybe he’ll get a three year contract extension before midnight.

  17. Thom Jimsen on May 19th, 2007 9:56 pm



  18. Des71 on May 19th, 2007 9:56 pm

    162. The M’s had a much more talented team than the ones Pay-rod played with in Texas. Especially pitching.

  19. dnc on May 19th, 2007 9:57 pm

    162, no kidding.

    There’s still no way his three years in Texas outweigh his 6 years here.

  20. DMZ on May 19th, 2007 9:58 pm

    I was thinking — if there was a pitcher who had a 10 year career cut short by injury, say, and his final stats were

    168-103, 3.07 ERA, 1600 K, 485 BB, 6 post-seasons where he was just as effective, including three starts in two trips to the World Series, four All-Star trips, two Cy Youngs and high placements in other years — ten years, most of which where he was consistently one of the five best pitchers in baseball — would you vote for him for the Hall of Fame?

    Even if you value longevity over raw talent and greatness over short spans, I think you at least end up flipping a coin.

    That’s half of Greg Maddux’s career. We say that half of Rickey Henderson’s a Hall of Famer, but I think that’s true of Maddux and Clemens, too.

  21. Des71 on May 19th, 2007 9:58 pm

    Les Schwab R.I.P.

  22. dnc on May 19th, 2007 9:59 pm

    Good post, DMZ.

    Maddux’s career is mind boggling, especially when you consider his lack of “ace” stuff.

  23. scraps on May 19th, 2007 10:10 pm

    Extraordinary ability to hit the spot you want to hit seems to me just about as much a matter of talent as having extraordinary stuff.

  24. Thom Jimsen on May 19th, 2007 10:16 pm

    Basically half of Greg Maddux’s career was three-quarters of Frank Tanana’s career, minus the Cy Youngs and World Series appearances. Tanana won 240 games, and I don’t think he got a single HOF vote.

  25. dnc on May 19th, 2007 10:16 pm

    173, never suggested it wasn’t talent. It’s just much more rare of a talent. Which goes back to my point that it is “mind boggling”.

  26. dw on May 19th, 2007 10:18 pm

    Yeah, Maddux never had the 95 MPH fastball. What he did have was ridiculous control, a multitude of breaking and offspeed pitches, and Leo Mazzone.

    And, when he was really on in the Nineties, umps like Eric Gregg who’d give him a dugout-to-dugout-to-upper-deck sized strike zone.

    I saw another HoF player in person tonight, and he was beated by a pitcher who will get into the HoF by paying at the door.

  27. dnc on May 19th, 2007 10:18 pm

    174, Frank Tanana was consistently one of the top 5 pitchers in the game for a decade?

  28. Thom Jimsen on May 19th, 2007 10:22 pm

    For five years, before he blew out his arm in an era in which doing so usually meant your career was over.

  29. dw on May 19th, 2007 10:38 pm

    Oh, and Koufax got in the Hall on a five-year stretch where he never broke 200 in ERA+. He peaked at 190 in his final season.

    Maddux had a five year run of where his season ERA+ was 191 or more, including 273 in 1994 and 259 in 1995. Yeah, they were strike years, but who’s to say he couldn’t have maintained above 200 in those missing 17 or so starts?

    And what’s even more incredible is that Pedro’s peak absolutely dwarfs Maddux’s. Pedro finished with an ERA+ of 200 or higher four times. If he hung it up now, he’d have the third highest career WHIP ever. None of the other players in the top 10 pitched past 1927; most didn’t pitch after WWI, and only two were even alive the day Pedro was born. And oh, he’s the career leader in ERA+, 12 percentage points ahead of second-place Lefty Grove.

    Yeah, yeah, ERA and WHIP suck as useful stats, YMMV, but Pedro, Maddux, and Clemens are the three best pitchers this sport has ever seen, with Johan Santana starting to make his case to be added to that list.

  30. Sports on a Schtick on May 19th, 2007 10:43 pm

    Don’t forget Mad Dog, with his catlike reflexes and 16 Gold Gloves, is also one of the best fielders at his position ever.

  31. msb on May 19th, 2007 10:46 pm

    well, that was fun, if cold by the end of the evening.

    I assume Yuni is back after his day off, and hopefully Hargrove sticks to his day-or-two off for Sexson– does Ellison’s play in LF heal Raul’s back in time for the sunday game?

  32. msb on May 19th, 2007 11:07 pm

    oh, apparently Joh has a bat humidor, too.

    Can we get some for all the other M’s as well?

  33. msb on May 19th, 2007 11:10 pm

    Drayer also posted about Pentland discussing Sexson & Chaves discussing Weaver

  34. Seth on May 19th, 2007 11:59 pm

    The expression you’re looking for is this:

    When you start thinking, ‘Let’s try something new’ … that’s a panic move,”

  35. DMZ on May 20th, 2007 1:06 am

    Oh yeaahh… we actually referenced that in a game thread.

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