Game 63, Mariners at Cubs

DMZ · June 14, 2007 at 10:08 am · Filed Under Game Threads 

An early 11:20 start. No M’s TV broadcast. WGN’s broadcasting it, though, if you have access to their feed. Jeff Weaver v Jason Marquis.

Is it best that we don’t have television for this one? I’d rather not watch bad Jeff Weaver. Now, if he’s willing to put up another decent enough chunk of innings, that’d be fine. And I’m interested to see how he’s looking, since the back end of the rotation really needs the help.

Lineups posted when I see ‘em.

Mariners
CF-L Ichiro
2B-R Lopez
RF-R Guillen
LF-L Ibanez
1B-R Sexson
SS-R Betancourt
3B-R Willie “The Ignitor” Bloomquist
C-R Burke
(pitcher)

How can a team with both Burke and Bloomquist lost? Also, I like that Sexson’s protected by Betancourt. Pre-season, who’d have thought there’d ever be a lineup turned in like that?

Cubbies
LF-R Soriano
CF-L Pie
1B-R Lee
RF-L Floyd
3B-R DeRosa
2B-L Fontenot
C-B Hill
SS-B Izturis
(pitcher)

Comments

449 Responses to “Game 63, Mariners at Cubs”

  1. msb on June 14th, 2007 10:10 am

    yah, it would have been nice if they’d gotten yesterdays game, with this one looming …

  2. coasty141 on June 14th, 2007 10:15 am

    Most likely no Barrett for the Cubs today. Aside from being a day game espn is reporting the poor lil guy needs some time off.

  3. Benno on June 14th, 2007 10:29 am

    Here is hoping that Weaver gets his ERA under 10! That means 6+ innings with no runs.

  4. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 10:33 am

    What are the chances this game becomes bizarro? 70%? 80%?

  5. PositivePaul on June 14th, 2007 10:37 am

    XM 189, for those of you trapped within the bowels of a huge building, without real permission to use your ‘net connection for streaming media (or, well, blogging, but that’s neither here nor there). I loathed the thought of paying for radio, but actually I’m surprised at how much I’m listening to my XM. I bought it so I could listen to early games at work, but I’m finding that I flip through the channels listening to music when no M’s games are on, or listening to other games ’round the league…

  6. msb on June 14th, 2007 10:41 am

    getting ready to turn on the KOMO pre-game and instead get KJR & Fain — if the Ms are to make a run they need to improve the infield defense as Beltre & Yuni are just not making the routine plays, and maybe find pitching; he doesn’t want to give up on Weaver just yet, but you know Ryan F won’t cut it as a 5th starter (“people are trying to make him the 2nd coming of Felix Hernandez!”)

  7. Slippery Elmer on June 14th, 2007 10:48 am

    Drayer just said Chuck Armstrong told her that the team’s like $9 million over budget, but that cost would be no object, as far as obtaining players, if the team was in contention near the trade deadline.

    With that in mind, why not dump Weaver as part of that team improvement? The sunk money would be “of no concern,” and it would benefit the team’s fortunes. Makes sense to me…

  8. msb on June 14th, 2007 10:48 am

    Drayer just said she was introducing Chuck Armstrong at a KOMO/advertisers do this morning and took advantage to ask him some questions–

    if they are still in it, do they make a move? Chuck says they are waaaay over budget, but that he has been told by ownership that money will be found if they have a move to make.

    Ichiro? Chuck has been talking to Attanasio (in person, as recently as the San Diego trip) and they are cautiously optimistic; they really want him retiring as a Mariner

  9. Tek Jansen on June 14th, 2007 10:49 am

    Until recently, I was impressed by Grover’s occaisonal use of Broussard to spell Sexson and Guillen. I can’t think of a good reason to start Broussard today, preferably in place of Guillen.

  10. scraps on June 14th, 2007 10:53 am

    The way to improve the infield defense is to let Yuni and Beltre work it out. Seriously, what better solution is there to their occasional lapses? You’re not going to find replacements who hoover up more balls and give you hitting, too.

  11. msb on June 14th, 2007 10:55 am

    well, and Beltre’s recent ‘problems’ would seem to date from the thumb injury …

  12. go_cougs on June 14th, 2007 11:04 am

    Dave, DMZ,

    From what I understand Wrigley Field has a wide range of favoritism to hitters and pitchers depending on what the wind does. Overall, is Wrigley considered to be a pitchers or a hitters park when adjusting statistics.

  13. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 11:05 am

    Thank you, thank you! “WGN’s broadcasting it, though, if you have access to their feed.” No whining as I beat my dead horse!

    And it’s fun to hear out of town broadcasters sometimes; let’s hope it’s one of those days. Except the Angels. Never the Angels.

  14. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 11:09 am

    Hey, the Cubs have their how Willie! On air interview with Fontenot, who ‘does a bit of everything.’

  15. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 11:09 am

    These Cubs announcers are terrible. If you like random tangents however…

  16. DMZ on June 14th, 2007 11:17 am

    Wrigley, overall, plays as a slight hitter’s park. That said, yeah, depends on the weather. Even year-to-year, you’ll see it play neutral or other confusing swings.

  17. bellacaramella on June 14th, 2007 11:19 am

    Just noticed that Sexson’s finally at the .200 mark…

  18. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 11:20 am

    Ah, but the Cubs announcers told us what no Mariners’ would–I think–Weaver hurt his back during his AB!

    That makes sense. Probably popped it up when he lifted the bat. I swear, he looks like a Stretch Armstrong that won’t return to his orginal size.

  19. Dylan on June 14th, 2007 11:21 am

    MSB-

    What the hell are you talking about? What has Beltre done wrong on defense?

  20. msb on June 14th, 2007 11:25 am

    #18– FWIW, Weaver himself said on KOMO a few days back that it was the AB that messed him up

    #19– nothing … see #6 :)

  21. bakomariner on June 14th, 2007 11:28 am

    angels and reds tied…

  22. bakomariner on June 14th, 2007 11:28 am

    junior homered…

  23. D Truth on June 14th, 2007 11:32 am

    Down 0-3. Time for Weaver to pitch. Brace yourselves.

  24. msb on June 14th, 2007 11:33 am

    is it a bad sign that Soriano got a hit?

  25. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 11:34 am

    One hitter, one hit.

    Thus it begins.

    Daygames at Wrigley, even just on TV, always makes me feel as though I should be wearing sunglasses.

  26. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 11:35 am

    Yea, watching Pie launched that into the ivy sucked.

  27. cougs129 on June 14th, 2007 11:35 am

    I never thought one pitcher could be this bad

  28. zzyzx on June 14th, 2007 11:36 am

    Time to put him back on the dl?

  29. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 11:37 am

    Lee should be pissed that he didn’t slam that meatball.

  30. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 11:38 am

    At least the Cubs announcers are making it all about their hitters’ great hitting.

    If only they knew….

  31. Paul B on June 14th, 2007 11:38 am

    Maybe this will be Weaver’s last start.

    That’s been said before, though.

  32. bakomariner on June 14th, 2007 11:39 am

    stay positive…reds up 5-3 on the angels…

  33. D Truth on June 14th, 2007 11:39 am

    Weaver’s ERA is not going under 10. It’s going over 20.

    WAKE UP HARGROVE!

  34. Dan W on June 14th, 2007 11:39 am

    Has anyone noticed how nice it’s been over these last 20 games or so NOT to be down 4-5 runs before the 3rd inning?

  35. bakomariner on June 14th, 2007 11:40 am

    weaver’s swan song today in chi-town?

  36. Dan W on June 14th, 2007 11:41 am

    Weaver looks hittable. By my grandmother.

  37. LA M's Fan on June 14th, 2007 11:41 am

    Don’t stop believin!

  38. msb on June 14th, 2007 11:42 am

    good thing the bullpen got all that rest.

  39. Paul B on June 14th, 2007 11:42 am

    The Cubs still need a homer to hit for the cycle in the first inning.

  40. Swungonandbelted on June 14th, 2007 11:42 am

    Christ… just turned the game on and Weaver is already getting rocked…

  41. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 11:42 am

    Who’s available in the bullpen?

    Cubs announcers finally saying Weaver’s not good.

  42. joser on June 14th, 2007 11:42 am

    Heck, Wrigley can change from a pitcher’s park to a hitter’s park (and back, and vice versa) over the course of just a few innings. That’s part of it’s, uh, “charm.” When it’s blowing in, as it apparently is just now, Sexson is about the only guy with a shot to get a ball out. But that shouldn’t much affect a singles-slapping team the Mariners have been lately.

    Of course it also turns HRs into triples, especially when you have a meatball pitcher on the mound. Like, say, now.

  43. Dave on June 14th, 2007 11:42 am

    According to gameday, Weaver hasn’t topped 87 so far.

    Glad that time working up his arm strength helped him find his velocity…

  44. agingfan on June 14th, 2007 11:42 am

    Even Bavasi has to be willing to admit now that Weaver was a mistake and should be regarded as a sunk cost.

  45. Dan W on June 14th, 2007 11:42 am

    Even the outs are scary.

  46. D Truth on June 14th, 2007 11:43 am

    How many runs does it take Weaver to get three outs in an inning?

  47. LA M's Fan on June 14th, 2007 11:43 am

    Can we trade for Michael Barrett, just so he can slug Weaver?

  48. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 11:43 am

    Guillen looked positively Raul-like turning that last x-base hit into an rbi.

    Even two of Weaver’s three outs were hit hard

    He sucks, get SOMEONE…ANYONE else please.

    Is Woods warming up yet?

  49. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 11:44 am

    Brutal

  50. Swungonandbelted on June 14th, 2007 11:44 am

    do you pull him early, and wreck the bull pen if this continues, or do you make him throw 125 pitches and at least try to save the arms in the pen for the rest of this road-trip?

  51. joser on June 14th, 2007 11:45 am

    If Weaver is as bad as he sounds, he can always go back to a league that’s easier on pitchers and a division where he’s had success, like the NL Central.

    Oh, wait.

  52. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 11:46 am

    Take your time Cubbies…Raul was running

    Our hitting hasn’t been much since those early runs on Tuesday.

  53. UofMichgoMs on June 14th, 2007 11:46 am

    Cubs announcers “Boy the cubs bats are hot. 3 runs last night.” Wait, what?

  54. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 11:47 am

    Nice to see our hitters working on the pitch count

  55. Dave on June 14th, 2007 11:47 am

    Weaver has to eat innings today. He’ll go 5, even if it takes him 150 pitches to do so.

  56. msb on June 14th, 2007 11:47 am

    and at what point does Guillen get a day off, as his bat & legs would appear to indicate he is worn down?

  57. D Truth on June 14th, 2007 11:47 am

    I say leave him out there til his arm falls off, just to see how many runs the Cubs can score.

  58. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 11:47 am

    “Can we trade for Michael Barrett, just so he can slug Weaver?”

    Trade for Zambrano, and we solve two problems. We already have two good catchers, but pitchers….

    Speaking of which, Marquis can be pretty good. And the Mariners are looking kinda hackafantastic today.

  59. Gomez on June 14th, 2007 11:48 am

    Good thing we rested the bullpen last night.

    Feierabend, plz.

  60. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 11:48 am

    55

    At least that sounds entertaining.

    Our bats look like we’ll give Marquis the first CG in under 60 pitches in quite some time.

  61. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 11:48 am

    The sleeping dude they keep showing on WGN must be a Mariners fan.

  62. D Truth on June 14th, 2007 11:48 am

    Groundout. Groundout. M’s can’t wait to get Weaver back out there.

    “C’mon Jeff, you can do it!”

  63. LA M's Fan on June 14th, 2007 11:48 am

    Question: if Hargrove forced Weaver to throw 200 pitches, and Weaver got injured, would the M’s have an insurance claim?

    just saying…

  64. Benno on June 14th, 2007 11:49 am

    Here we go again. Nice to see Weaver giving up 4 hits, 3 of them for extra bases. 2 triples already… wonder what the record for triples is…

  65. LA M's Fan on June 14th, 2007 11:49 am

    incidentally, Angels are back up 6-5.

  66. D Truth on June 14th, 2007 11:50 am

    Angels now up 6-5. A’s up 3-1.

  67. joser on June 14th, 2007 11:50 am

    Daygames at Wrigley, even just on TV, always makes me feel as though I should be wearing sunglasses.

    The Cubs traded Lou Brock (Lou Brock!) to the Cardinals because he couldn’t field in Wrigley. When he got to St. Louis, the team took one look at him in the outfield and told him to use sunglasses. Problems solved. And the Cardinals won the WS.

  68. zvazda on June 14th, 2007 11:51 am

    At the end of the last inning Dave “announced” that Cincinatti had tied the game on a Junior HR. You’d think that they’d be able to get up to date stats in there… Especially since many fans have internet and are probably checking in on the game.

  69. Paul B on June 14th, 2007 11:51 am

    Too bad the M’s don’t play the Cubs again tomorrow. You could leave Weaver in and let the Cubs score 20 runs and tire themselves out.

  70. Benno on June 14th, 2007 11:51 am

    Dave, 5 innings from Weaver? Can Hargrove stomach watching that? And would that solve two problems, as Weaver is released and Hargrove develops an ulcer forcing him to retire…

  71. the other benno on June 14th, 2007 11:52 am

    Can they DFA Weaver in the middle of the game?

    Hargrove comes out to the mound and takes the ball, “Sorry Jeff you’re fired. Have your locker cleaned out by the seventh inning stretch and we won’t be paying for your hotel tonight.”

  72. joser on June 14th, 2007 11:52 am

    The sleeping dude they keep showing on WGN must be a Mariners fan.

    You sure it’s not Hargrove?

  73. D Truth on June 14th, 2007 11:52 am

    At least he can strikeout Marquis.

  74. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 11:52 am

    Weaver got a GB out! That’s an improvement!

  75. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 11:53 am

    The Angels ALREADY have the lead back?

    Sigh

  76. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 11:53 am

    “At least he can strikeout Marquis.”

    Oh, I hadn’t noticed who was up. There go my hopes, shattered.

  77. Xteve X on June 14th, 2007 11:54 am

    Man, how can they not DFA Weaver now….I don’t see how he pitches with that giant fork sticking out of his back.

  78. zvazda on June 14th, 2007 11:54 am

    It would be extremely bad for Weaver to “settle down” at this point if the M’s are not going to come back. We don’t want him convincing Hargrove he’s worth throwing out there for another game.

  79. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 11:55 am

    8-9-1 vs an NL team and you STILL can’t get a 1-2-3 inning!

    That alone should be a danger sign (to go with the other 4,231 other such signs he’s given us)

    Weaver = Hope (for the opposing batters)

  80. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 11:55 am

    All right, I see what you mean about Cubs announcers, whoever said they go on tangents. Long convo about marriage proposal in stands. Had a panic moment, since I’ve got a friend there at the game, but the guy knows better. Only at a Red Sox game, and only while sitting on the Green Monster.

  81. D Truth on June 14th, 2007 11:56 am

    Back to the top of the lineup, and boom. Base hit.

  82. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 11:56 am

    Nice routine fly to the friggin’ wall from a non-power hitter to end the inning (eyes rolling)

  83. joser on June 14th, 2007 11:56 am

    All hail the Wrigely wind. It’s doing a better job of keeping Weaver in the game than he is.

  84. Karen on June 14th, 2007 11:57 am

    #69 Paul B Says: Too bad the M’s don’t play the Cubs again tomorrow. You could leave Weaver in and let the Cubs score 20 runs and tire themselves out.

    I was just thinking as I was catching up on the comments so far that the Mariners could just leave Weaver in….Chicago. Leave without him.

  85. Beniitec on June 14th, 2007 11:57 am

    OMG…a scoreless inning? He’s got potential!!!

  86. zvazda on June 14th, 2007 12:00 pm

    85 – please don’t say that. Grover might read it.

  87. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 12:00 pm

    Screw you perfect game.

  88. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 12:00 pm

    Thank you, Burke!

  89. Beniitec on June 14th, 2007 12:00 pm

    3 runs? That’s pessimism at it’s finest. It isn’t over until the fat lady sings…

  90. joser on June 14th, 2007 12:00 pm

    I ♥ Jamie Burke

  91. LA M's Fan on June 14th, 2007 12:00 pm

    Jamie Burke: M’s MVP

  92. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:01 pm

    Did we get an actual baserunner? Are we allowed to do that?

    Crap…the loser himself is up…how ironic

  93. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 12:01 pm

    What a man! Jamie Burke, a hitting machine!

  94. Paul B on June 14th, 2007 12:01 pm

    Burke is great.

  95. D Truth on June 14th, 2007 12:01 pm

    Burke doubles. Let’s see Weaver got yard.

  96. joser on June 14th, 2007 12:01 pm

    Wow, maybe Weaver can DH.

  97. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:01 pm

    89

    Have you seen Weaver pitch this year, lol?

  98. derubino on June 14th, 2007 12:01 pm

    Wonder if this team’s offense would improve if Burke was our DH…

  99. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 12:02 pm

    Well, at least Weaver can bunt.

  100. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 12:02 pm

    dang, that was almost a pretty good bunt

  101. bakomariner on June 14th, 2007 12:02 pm

    angels score 6 in the seventh…

  102. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:02 pm

    Hmmmm…

    Definitely and officially one of “those” games after even Ichie gets thrown out on a high chopper

  103. zvazda on June 14th, 2007 12:03 pm

    Ever wonder about announcer’s affinity for THSS (The hittting streak stat)

  104. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 12:06 pm

    A strikeout? Whhhaa???

  105. joser on June 14th, 2007 12:06 pm

    Ron Fairly would occasionally mention a batter was “working on a little two-game hitting streak.” I kept waiting for him to announce a one-game hitting streak, but AFAIK it never happened.

  106. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 12:07 pm

    and now a tangent about players in the stands before the game. love them cubs announcers. but still…much better than them Angels mic jockeys

  107. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 12:07 pm

    1st and 10 on ESPN or Weaver pitching on WGN? Equally aggravating viewing experiences.

  108. coasty141 on June 14th, 2007 12:08 pm

    Time for a ussmariner poll………….

    Are we watching Jeff Weaver’s last start as a Mariner?

  109. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 12:09 pm

    108: We can only hope.

    Keep hope alive!

  110. DMZ on June 14th, 2007 12:09 pm

    I wonder if the M’s would have been better off starting Burke.

  111. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:10 pm

    After today, check out these records:

    WITHOUT Weaver: 34-21

    WITH Weaver: 1-7

  112. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 12:11 pm

    c’mon Gullien, you gotta hit the cut-off. sloppy..

  113. zvazda on June 14th, 2007 12:11 pm

    Did Rick just call Weaver a groundball pitcher?

  114. D Truth on June 14th, 2007 12:11 pm

    “Humiliator” lined into left for a base hit. “Eliminator” into right field … another base hit.

  115. agingfan on June 14th, 2007 12:12 pm

    SURELY this is the last we see of Weaver?!

  116. DMZ on June 14th, 2007 12:12 pm

    Baker talks about Mateo on his blog, but here’s one instance of why I’m a fan of Bavasi, the dude:

    “He isn’t going to have any problems down there,” GM Bill Bavasi said of Mateo’s pitching numbers in the minors. “We know he can pitch.”

    So, when does he get to Seattle?

    “Don’t know,” Bavasi said, shaking his head and staring off in the distance.

    hee hee hee.

  117. Benno on June 14th, 2007 12:12 pm

    How about a new promotion for Baseball. “If you ever wanted to see Barry Bond hit but he won’t be coming to your ballpark, come see Jeff Weaver pitch. Its like wathcing Barry Bonds hit in all 9 batting spots!”

  118. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 12:12 pm

    oppenents BA against Weaver, .423

    Yikes!

  119. williebfan on June 14th, 2007 12:13 pm

    Yes, he’s a quality pitcher. GO WILLIE!

  120. williebfan on June 14th, 2007 12:13 pm

    Yes, he’s a quality pitcher. GO WILLIE!

  121. MarinerDan on June 14th, 2007 12:13 pm

    I wonder if D. Lee is taking a serioue ribbing in the dubout right now:

    “Dude, you’re 0-2 against Jeff freakin’ Weaver!”

    “Wow, you just got struck out by Jeff Weaver? Really?”

  122. williebfan on June 14th, 2007 12:13 pm

    Sorry to post twice. Nice double play.

  123. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:14 pm

    The last 21 innings, Seattle has scored in just THREE of them and the amounts have been 2, 1, & 1. And remember those “2″ were after Vidro was so clearly out at home and Barrett simply dropped it.

    Weaver, as usual, continues to blow, but we still need to score…at SOME point today.

  124. Paul B on June 14th, 2007 12:17 pm

    I watched a little of inning 3 on WGN, and noticed at least one of Weavers pitches hit 91, and a couple were at 90, several more around 88.

    Is the WGN speed gun fast? Or did Weaver get a little faster?

  125. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 12:17 pm

    Personally, I’d like to see Weaver pitch well. I think the Mariner’s are a stronger team with an effective Weaver in the rotation. His next start would be against the Reds at Safeco…hard to imagine him receiving a warm welcome from the hometown fans.

  126. DMZ on June 14th, 2007 12:18 pm

    The team wants to make sure Griffey has a great return.

  127. dotcomse on June 14th, 2007 12:18 pm

    Can anyone post a link to the feed? I’m new at this.

  128. Phoenician Todd on June 14th, 2007 12:18 pm

    At least he would be helpful in the hometown crowd getting to see a Junior HR.

  129. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 12:19 pm

    Looks like he’s not going to get much run support, either.

  130. Paul B on June 14th, 2007 12:19 pm

    I’ve been a Mariner fan for a really long time. Here’s something I have never heard said before:

    “The two best hitters on the Mariners right now are the two catchers”.

  131. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:20 pm

    130

    You mean you couldn’t say that while Valle was there? ;-)

    (Actually Scott Bradley had a few nice hitting years when he was paired w/ Valle)

  132. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:21 pm

    Weaver sure doesn’t waste any time, does he?

  133. Otto on June 14th, 2007 12:22 pm

    Weaver is getting hit hard and is lucky he is only down by three runs.

  134. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:25 pm

    Granted our record would likely be pretty bad no matter who we were throwing out there on Weaver’s starts.

    Here is how his run “support” has gone:

    3,2,1,3,1,3,6 and ZERO so far today.

    Big surprise that the one the M’s won was the only time they had more than 3. (He still sucks though and we need to get rid of him asap)

  135. Otto on June 14th, 2007 12:28 pm

    4 of Weavers 8 hits so far have been Xbase hits

    2 doubles and 2 triples.

  136. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 12:28 pm

    M’s need to do something here pretty quick so I can justify slacking off at work and watching this mess.

  137. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 12:29 pm

    I had a moment…if Richie hits a HR, things look better here.

    Then he struck out.

  138. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:29 pm

    136

    What? Sexson whiffing at three straight pitches after being up 2-0, isn’t exciting enough?

    ;-)

  139. Benno on June 14th, 2007 12:30 pm

    Idaho,

    Are those the runs the M’s have scored, or the runs Weaver has give up in the first inning. :P

  140. msb on June 14th, 2007 12:30 pm

    I vote for seeing Jamie on the mound.

  141. pygmalion on June 14th, 2007 12:31 pm

    We need some Grit!

  142. pygmalion on June 14th, 2007 12:32 pm

    D’oh.

  143. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:33 pm

    139

    Waaaaay to small of numbers to be what Nightmare Weaver gives up, lol

  144. Benno on June 14th, 2007 12:33 pm

    Burke on the mound, Weaver catching.

  145. Benno on June 14th, 2007 12:34 pm

    Idaho,

    I meant the first inning. But then again, maybe you did too…

  146. Grizz on June 14th, 2007 12:35 pm

    Hargrove comes out to the mound and takes the ball, “Sorry Jeff you’re fired. Have your locker cleaned out by the seventh inning stretch and we won’t be paying for your hotel tonight.”

    The CBA would require the team to pay for his airline ticket home — hopefully on Southwest.

  147. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:37 pm

    146

    I’d love for the voice in the SW Airline commercials to be able to say, “Jeff, you’re now free to pitch for anyone else in the country”

  148. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:37 pm

    I see Weaver has really “solved” Floyd

  149. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 12:39 pm

    Three outs away from a “quality start.”

  150. terry on June 14th, 2007 12:41 pm

    **********I like that Sexson’s protected by Betancourt.**************

    Isn’t the concept of lineup protection more myth than reality?

  151. DMZ on June 14th, 2007 12:42 pm

    That’s part of the joke. I was thinking about putting “protected” there but I figured everyone would get it.

  152. pygmalion on June 14th, 2007 12:42 pm

    Is someone watching this on tv? What exactly is Marquis doing to the M’s hitters? All I can tell on Gameday is that the hitters are sucking (swinging at terrible pitches) but not why.

  153. joser on June 14th, 2007 12:43 pm

    It seems like every year the M’s have a pitcher who sucks for the first inning and then settles down, and the M’s can’t get it going with enough offense to recover. This year they’ve done a good job of coming from behind in the 7th or whenever the opposing bullpen gets into the game, but this whole “he had a great game other than all those runs he gave up in the 1st” is really tiring.

  154. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 12:43 pm

    I know it’s really fun and fashionable to trash Weaver, and he sure has been an easy target so far this year. But, he’s keeping us in the game. In addition to being lousy, he’s been incredibly unlucky this year, with a .473 BABIP average coming into this start. His lifetime BABIP is .338

  155. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 12:43 pm

    Pretty good locating, but it’s mostly the M’s getting themselves out.

    Weaver plunked “on his pitching arm.” Ha ha.

  156. joser on June 14th, 2007 12:43 pm

    Oooh, that’s a good way to get a base and get him out of the game.

  157. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:44 pm

    How much did Bavasi have to pay Marquis to do that?

    And a baserunner to boot!

  158. Paul B on June 14th, 2007 12:44 pm

    The sad thing is that Grover used “protection” to justify his batting Kenji and Lopez so low in the lineup.

  159. darrylzero on June 14th, 2007 12:44 pm

    DMZ, it probably wouldn’t have helped anyway, because the mockery of the quotes could just as easily be read as insulting to Betancourt’s capacity to do so.

  160. darrylzero on June 14th, 2007 12:44 pm

    Hey, Weaver gets on base!

  161. derubino on June 14th, 2007 12:44 pm

    DL!!! PLEASE, DL!!!!

    I feel evil…but hey, he already got hit, I can’t change that.

  162. Otto on June 14th, 2007 12:44 pm

    Way to take one for the team!

  163. Swungonandbelted on June 14th, 2007 12:44 pm

    Now Weaver has to plunk the opposing pitcher…. if he has that kind of accuracy…

  164. LA M's Fan on June 14th, 2007 12:45 pm

    the irony will be when that hbp fixes weaver’s delivery.

  165. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 12:45 pm

    Uh, pitch runner? Or did Hargrove in fact tell Weaver he’s finishing this game, NO MATTER WHAT.

  166. robbbbbb on June 14th, 2007 12:45 pm

    I see (Gameday) that Weaver was HBP. Is he trying to learn by osmosis?

  167. Dave on June 14th, 2007 12:45 pm

    Let’s be honest – everyone here wanted to be the one to bean Weaver. I’ve never been so jealous of Jason Marquis.

  168. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:45 pm

    Its like Marquis has to work out of the stretch…and doesn’t know how to pitch now

  169. msb on June 14th, 2007 12:46 pm

    hey, Marquis and Weaver were teammates– he knows what Weaver can do on the basepaths :)

  170. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:46 pm

    163

    But the idea is to get even. To get even, we’d have to pitch the next inning underhand to make up for their generosity

  171. darrylzero on June 14th, 2007 12:47 pm

    154, BABIP theory is predicated on Weaver actually being a ML-quality starter. You’re probably right that’s he’s also been unlucky, but we have to accept the possibility that he actually sucks bad enough to run very high BABIP numbers.

  172. _David_ on June 14th, 2007 12:47 pm

    Mark McLemore made his MLB debut today with Houston

  173. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 12:47 pm

    fdsm,fnadsmhf

    error!

    YES!!!

  174. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 12:47 pm

    Jeff Weaver’s lifetime batting average: .205

  175. hcoguy on June 14th, 2007 12:47 pm

    Kata’d! We’ll take it.

  176. joser on June 14th, 2007 12:47 pm

    Huh, Weaver getting run support for himself.

  177. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:48 pm

    …and said “generosity” continues

    Imagine if Guillen’s power outage gets solved here!

  178. Otto on June 14th, 2007 12:48 pm

    I’ld like to bean Weaver for every dollar he stole from the team. His actions are derailing the Mariners chances at the postseason.

  179. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:48 pm

    Quick!

    Someone tell Guillen its ok to not swing at crap being up 2-0

  180. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 12:50 pm

    Come on Raul.

  181. msb on June 14th, 2007 12:50 pm

    way to walk!

  182. LA M's Fan on June 14th, 2007 12:50 pm

    bases juiced

  183. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:50 pm

    Guillen didn’t get the run home yesterday with less than two outs and a runner on 3rd, so nice walk there.

    But we need Raul to come through here BIG time.

  184. darrylzero on June 14th, 2007 12:50 pm

    Looking good…

    OK, Raul, show us that your resurgence is real.

  185. lokiforever on June 14th, 2007 12:50 pm

    looks like he fouled off ball four, but got the walk anyway a pitch later

  186. joser on June 14th, 2007 12:50 pm

    I see (Gameday) that Weaver was HBP. Is he trying to learn by osmosis?

    That’s really funny. I kind of wish the M’s were in the NL so I could use that joke again sometime.

  187. Swungonandbelted on June 14th, 2007 12:50 pm

    Jack one out of here Raul, and I’ll give you a bonus “u”

  188. Paul B on June 14th, 2007 12:50 pm

    #179, he must have heard you.

    Is anyone watching on TV? Has Weaver increased his pitch velocity as the game has gone along?

  189. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 12:51 pm

    hmmm..one in and bases loaded, and still no hit in the inning. Was the Guillen walk intentional?

  190. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 12:51 pm

    LOL, would be nice to get a hit or two to score some runs.

  191. LA M's Fan on June 14th, 2007 12:51 pm

    Angels win.

    btw, we have loaded the bases and scored a run without a hit in the inning…

  192. dw on June 14th, 2007 12:52 pm

    Mark McLemore made his MLB debut today with Houston

    I really am impressed with the advances we’ve seen in cloning technology the last ten years. From a sheep to a utility infielder. Can a .900 OPS corner outfielder be far behind?

  193. darrylzero on June 14th, 2007 12:52 pm

    I think if I was Lou I would have brought in a lefty to face Raul here.

  194. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 12:52 pm

    189: no

  195. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 12:52 pm

    Oh hell yes!!!!

  196. bakomariner on June 14th, 2007 12:53 pm

    got home from work at the BEST time! whoooooo!

  197. zvazda on June 14th, 2007 12:53 pm

    Guillen safe at home? Fire the 3rd base coach! He’s not doing his job.

  198. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 12:53 pm

    Uh oh… wtf is Guillen and the ump arguing…

  199. robbbbbb on June 14th, 2007 12:53 pm

    Thanks, joser. I aim to please. (Incidentally, my wife, a non-fan- she’s learning- refers to Weaver as “the tee.”)

  200. lokiforever on June 14th, 2007 12:53 pm

    Rauuuuuuuuuuul

  201. Slippery Elmer on June 14th, 2007 12:53 pm

    No way–might Weaver actually pick up a win?!

  202. Swungonandbelted on June 14th, 2007 12:53 pm

    I’ll take it

  203. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 12:53 pm

    RAUUUUUL!!!!

  204. bakomariner on June 14th, 2007 12:53 pm

    what is jose mad about?

  205. joser on June 14th, 2007 12:53 pm

    Well, left-handed sock is what you want here, and Ibanez is as close as the M’s have.

    And….. Raul comes through! How many “u”s for that?

    OK, who predicted Weaver was going to outlast Marquis?

  206. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 12:53 pm

    Uh, Guillen’s touching the ump. Won’t he be tossed?

  207. Otto on June 14th, 2007 12:53 pm

    RAUUUUUUUUL!

  208. Steve T on June 14th, 2007 12:54 pm

    What do you think my BABIP would be against ML hitting? My four-seamer tops out around 47 MPH on a good day. About 1.000, I’m guessing. How “unlucky” would you call me then?

  209. LA M's Fan on June 14th, 2007 12:54 pm

    even the chicago announcers say that guillen was in the right there.

  210. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 12:55 pm

    The Cubs have the worse body language of any teams I’ve seen in a while. Uh, the Mariners were taking the lead. Why did all the fielders act like they were tossing a fly ball back in?

    After the 3rd baseman had just slumped his shoulders after letting a ball get off his glove, instead of covering his base.

  211. pygmalion on June 14th, 2007 12:55 pm

    Raul: “You mean we’re still playing the Cubs?! Crap, I’d better go get a hit!”

  212. zzyzx on June 14th, 2007 12:55 pm

    What was the argument about?

  213. hcoguy on June 14th, 2007 12:55 pm

    This is why we need field mikes and an alternative channel that allows unedited sound. I would pay a fine sume of money to know who started talking smack first there.

  214. robbbbbb on June 14th, 2007 12:55 pm

    What’s the argument about? Gameday has him scoring.

  215. bakomariner on June 14th, 2007 12:55 pm

    hope he’s not tossed…

  216. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 12:56 pm

    #188

    Weaver’s hitting 91 on the radar. It does seem like his fastballs gaining some steam. He’s mostly throwing mid-80s and his curve hits high-70s. And most of it is junk.

  217. chris23 on June 14th, 2007 12:56 pm

    Hopefully Weaver can last one more inning without giving up a run and the Mariners turn around and trade him to a National League team. The M’s can keep a semi-straight face while making the argument that this guy can get some passable work done against NL teams. I really hope we don’t think that this guy is suddenly able to face AL teams because of his performances against the Padres and Cubs.

  218. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 12:56 pm

    Unbelievable. 2 hits? 4 runs? wow!

    4: you called it Sportsonaschtick. bizarro

  219. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:57 pm

    McClellan is the same up who’s sorta lazy on his ball strike calls and refuses to give the signal right away. Apparently he’s not to big on getting out of the way either. (Unless it was a different ump. I thought that’s who the Cubs announcer said it was)

  220. Anna11 on June 14th, 2007 12:57 pm

    How many runs would Weaver have to score as a runner to redeem himself?
    Hi from Budapest.

  221. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 12:57 pm

    Guillen scored standing up and bumped into the home ump since the ump failed to get the hell outta the way. Jose kinda/sorta shoved him, then the ump wagged his finger and said, “I’ll kill you Jose.”

    Something like that.

  222. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 12:58 pm

    I wonder if Weaver’s spot would’ve rolled around again and the bases were loaded if they’d have p.h. for him.

    If so, has anyone heard of being pinch hit for on your SECOND time up in an inning?

  223. Anna11 on June 14th, 2007 12:58 pm

    #221 — I’m assuming the ump was standing on the base path? Well then, he should have gotten out of the way!

  224. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 12:59 pm

    Guillen pushed off the homeplate ump as he scored. The ump wagged his finger like Jose was a bad dog. Words insued.

    Guillen had been prepared to bowl over the catcher for a play at the plate, but since no Cubs were really trying, Hill just stepped out of his way, and his forward movement carried him into the ump. Not his fault.

    But was he tossed?

  225. darrylzero on June 14th, 2007 12:59 pm

    So, odds that Weaver gives this lead right back up? I like the bullpen match-up, but I’m not sure how well I think Weaver matches up against their bullpen.

  226. UofMichgoMs on June 14th, 2007 1:00 pm

    McClellan is actually a really good ump. If you are close at the games he gives a fairly quick verbal strike or ball, he is just a little slow for the motions. Watching him in action though I have always liked his consistency with the zone.

  227. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 1:00 pm

    Guillen held his hand on the ump’s stomach while talking with him. It wasn’t aggressive by any means, but I still wonder if MLB will take a look.

  228. hcoguy on June 14th, 2007 1:01 pm

    Sharpie Day? WOOO! Honey, grab the kids, we’re goin to the Cubbies game we’ve been waiting all year!

  229. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:02 pm

    Honestly guys…

    Has Weaver had ONE inning this ENTIRE YEAR where he was still in the game and the inning ENDED w/ the M’s ahead?

  230. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 1:02 pm

    228: lol, that’s just what I was thinking!

  231. DMZ on June 14th, 2007 1:03 pm

    If I remember, McClellan gets high marks from players for consistency of strike zone, even though they’ll carp about how slow he works behind the plate. I don’t have a link to the survey handy, though.

  232. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 1:03 pm

    Giving up the lead… T-minus 10, 9…

  233. joser on June 14th, 2007 1:04 pm

    Has Weaver increased his pitch velocity as the game has gone along?

    I doubt it. His command may have improved slightly.

    Then again, maybe not.

  234. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:04 pm

    Forget ENDING the inning with a lead…

    Is this the first lead of ANY kind Weaver has had?

  235. msb on June 14th, 2007 1:04 pm

    um, Jeff? you have a lead?

    Sharpie Day? WOOO! Honey, grab the kids, we’re goin to the Cubbies game we’ve been waiting all year!

    I wonder if they give out sharpies to the fans and then make the Cubs come over and sign autographs …

  236. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:05 pm

    Sean Green coming in w/ men on base???

    Gascan meet fire

  237. oh poker on June 14th, 2007 1:05 pm

    If there was ever a time to yank a pitcher

  238. Paul B on June 14th, 2007 1:06 pm

    OK, how long is Weaver going to pitch?

    Don’t the M’s have an off day tomorrow?

  239. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 1:06 pm

    Mr. Sajak, i’d like to buy a DP please.

  240. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:07 pm

    Niiiiiiice Ichie

  241. zvazda on June 14th, 2007 1:08 pm

    TGFI – thank god for Ichiro!

  242. KingFelix21 on June 14th, 2007 1:08 pm

    they better bring in someone to handle soriano, soriano has owned weaver so far.

  243. bakomariner on June 14th, 2007 1:08 pm

    love that guy…

  244. lokiforever on June 14th, 2007 1:08 pm

    hang on to your seats

  245. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 1:08 pm

    Dang, I’m gonna have to leave work soon. :(

    I might have to stay late to watch the end of the game.

  246. KingFelix21 on June 14th, 2007 1:08 pm

    nice

  247. Paul B on June 14th, 2007 1:08 pm

    No, wait, the off day is Monday. Never mind.

  248. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:09 pm

    Raul is just money out there

    (you didn’t think I was serious)

  249. darrylzero on June 14th, 2007 1:09 pm

    When the Mariners brass watch Weaver on a day like this, do they feel like giving him another chance? Or do they know how amazingly lucky he got and how bad he pitched? I feel like Hargrove must know, but then there’s that whole Mateo situation…

  250. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 1:09 pm

    wow, now it’s really bizarro! Weaver didn’t give up the lead!

  251. joser on June 14th, 2007 1:09 pm

    Anna11: Budapest? Cool. It was frickin cold when I was there, but I quite enjoyed the faded imperial ambience. (And the women are gorgeous).

    Budapest, Prudhoe Bay, the UK, and all over the US (not to mention Idaho) — the Mariners (and USSM) have quite the far-flung fanbase.

  252. msb on June 14th, 2007 1:12 pm

    Derek, are you thinking of the 1999 players survey?

    Results of an umpire survey commissioned by the Major League
    Baseball Players Association and the end of the 1998 season. Players, coaches and managers took the survey. The umpires are listed are for the best-worst category followed by physical condition (PC); physical and mental toughness (PM); accuracy of calls on the bases (AB); accuracy of calls at the plate (AP); consistency (CON); temperament (TEM); respect for players (RP); and overall capacity (OC).

    American League
    PC PM AB AP CON TEM RP OC
    1. McClelland 5 2 1 1 2 2 2 3

  253. Axtell on June 14th, 2007 1:12 pm

    I have to think Weaver will be pinch hit for here in the 7th…gotta like getting another quality start out of him though.

  254. Dan W on June 14th, 2007 1:12 pm

    How many lives has Weaver used up?

    #220 – Just missed you. I was in Budapest last week.

  255. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 1:13 pm

    wow, that was an ugly looking swing willie

  256. hcoguy on June 14th, 2007 1:13 pm

    What’s with the extra 3 inches on the outside?

  257. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 1:13 pm

    That Bud Light Cam showing a montage of people holding beers was totally transparent.

  258. bakomariner on June 14th, 2007 1:13 pm

    don’t the cubs announcers know that “grunge” was dead a long time ago?

  259. joser on June 14th, 2007 1:14 pm

    the ump wagged his finger and said, “I’ll kill you Jose.”

    If the ump had said that, he’d alredy be dead. Not Jose, the ump. Guillen is like Baghdad: you know there’s an explosion coming, you just don’t know where or when.

  260. KingFelix21 on June 14th, 2007 1:14 pm

    I will take that start from weaver, even though it was shaky in some parts. He settled down some after the first just like his previous start.

  261. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:14 pm

    I think Ellison was trying to be the first MLB player in history to strike out on two pitches

  262. KingFelix21 on June 14th, 2007 1:15 pm

    Ellison is terrible.

  263. bakomariner on June 14th, 2007 1:15 pm

    253- “quality start”? we should be getting our asses handed to us right now…huge amounts of luck….

  264. lokiforever on June 14th, 2007 1:15 pm

    Nice AB there, Jason.

  265. darrylzero on June 14th, 2007 1:15 pm

    Man, Ellison is pretty bad.

  266. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 1:15 pm

    Great inning by our offense. Nice work, Jeff. Five shutout innings after the rough first, a quality start, and leaving with the lead.

  267. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 1:15 pm

    I love the “Take Me Out to the Ballgame” tradition at Wrigley. That recent Kelly Pickler one was classic.

  268. joser on June 14th, 2007 1:15 pm

    I wonder if they give out sharpies to the fans and then make the Cubs come over and sign autographs

    I doubt it. You’d think the Cubs would know better than to give out something the fans can actually throw with some velocity, but they certainly know better than to send the players into range.

  269. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 1:15 pm

    wow, guess the M’s couldn’t way to hear the Fray do the 7th inning stretch

  270. Ralph Malph on June 14th, 2007 1:15 pm

    If Ellison wasn’t going to use that bat, why’d he bring it up there?

  271. pumpkinhead on June 14th, 2007 1:16 pm

    Well that was productive…

  272. Benno on June 14th, 2007 1:16 pm

    Axtell,

    Have we gotten a quality start out of Weaver before today?

    Looks like we are going to hear how Weaver Settled down after the first. Even though he had baserunners every inning. Has Weaver had a 1-2-3 inning with the M’s?

  273. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:16 pm

    Why would we use a really good DEFENSIVE player to be wasted for an OFFENSIVE move (and quite frankly a rather offensive at bat)?

  274. Axtell on June 14th, 2007 1:17 pm

    263-

    A quality start is defined by MLB as a pitcher going 6 or more innings and giving up 3 or fewer runs.

    Weaver had a quality start today by MLB standards.

  275. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:17 pm

    272

    I think he had two such innings in a row vs SD

  276. Paul B on June 14th, 2007 1:17 pm

    Ellison as PH, when WFB is already in the game.

    First, that makes Beltre the pinch runner if needed, and second, that is assuming that there is going to be a more important at bat later in the game where Vidro would hit.

    I guess the second part is probably going to be true since there was two out and no one on. But I’m concerned if they have to use Beltre as a pinch runner.

  277. zvazda on June 14th, 2007 1:17 pm

    263 – I agree. He was getting pounded (from what it sounds like). I’m glad we got the luck… but I share 249′s fears.

  278. Tek Jansen on June 14th, 2007 1:18 pm

    Why use Ellison to PH. He can be an adequate defensive replacement for a double-switch. Turbo cannot, but Turbo is a better hitter, relatively speaking.

  279. lokiforever on June 14th, 2007 1:18 pm

    It seems Vidro should have PH’d

  280. vj on June 14th, 2007 1:18 pm

    Joser (#251): If anyone cares, Germany is following the thread as well.

  281. jephdood on June 14th, 2007 1:18 pm

    Why does Hargrove continue to PH Jason Ellison? (A dude that simply CAN’T hit). For that matter, what purpose does he even have on this team??

  282. msb on June 14th, 2007 1:18 pm

    You’d think the Cubs would know better than to give out something the fans can actually throw with some velocity

    or use to decorate Historic Wrigley Field …

  283. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:19 pm

    I’d rather see gorgeous George pitching with his non pitching arm, then Sean Green in

  284. fishiam on June 14th, 2007 1:20 pm

    Wow, lots of Hungarian links here today. My wife is Hungarian and we married in Budapest 5 years ago.

    On a more relevant note – you all realize that Weaver just absolutely earned himself another start, right? You know that’s not even debatable given the M’s brass.

  285. Ralph Malph on June 14th, 2007 1:20 pm

    You have Vidro, Broussard and Johjima on the bench. So Ellison is the 4th best hitter on the bench to pinch hit there.

  286. DMZ on June 14th, 2007 1:20 pm

    Hey, I think that’s it, msb. Thanks!

  287. darrylzero on June 14th, 2007 1:21 pm

    Holy hell Sherrill has been great.

  288. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 1:21 pm

    LOL. The guest in the WGN broadcast talking about baseball in Denver: It hasn’t been the same since, you know, The Cat Andres Gagaraga.

  289. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 1:21 pm

    what the hell do you want? “Weaver had a quality start by MLB standards” we’re ahead and he pitched effectively. be glad and hope that there are more outing like this to come.

  290. KingFelix21 on June 14th, 2007 1:21 pm

    I want Adam Jones!!!

  291. Swungonandbelted on June 14th, 2007 1:21 pm

    281:
    a) Friend of WFB
    b) His defense makes our outfielders feel good about themselves

  292. joser on June 14th, 2007 1:21 pm

    A quality start is defined by MLB as a pitcher going 6 or more innings and giving up 3 or fewer runs.

    Weaver had a quality start today by MLB standards.

    Which is why “quality” is such a hard thing to define.

  293. Paul B on June 14th, 2007 1:21 pm

    Ellison is a better defensive outfielder than Raul, unfortunately he usually replaces Guillen in late innings with a lead.

    What else is he good for? He’s a decent pinch runner, and if you are going to play Willie, it is nice to have a pinch runner on the bench.

    I’d rather see Ellison in the OF than Willie (which we saw way too much last year).

    That’s about it.

  294. billT on June 14th, 2007 1:21 pm

    It’s nice that Hargrove is allowing George to pitch to more than lefties this year.

  295. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:21 pm

    Ralph

    Maybe Grover just woke up and figured after the first inning, we’d be down by two td’s now.

    So he just grabbed the first non pitcher he saw

  296. Otto on June 14th, 2007 1:22 pm

    Did Weaver pitch well enough to keep his job?

  297. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 1:22 pm

    Sherrill!!!!

  298. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 1:23 pm

    [Rizzs]

  299. KingFelix21 on June 14th, 2007 1:23 pm

    Sherrill is awesome

  300. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:23 pm

    Floyd quickly discovers facing Sherrill late in the game is just a liiiiiiiil’ bit harder than his three previous ab’s vs Weaver

  301. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 1:23 pm

    GEORGE!!!!

  302. darrylzero on June 14th, 2007 1:23 pm

    Also, I love that Hargrove has been letting Sherrill pitch to one righty if that batter is sandwiched between lefties. His bullpen management has been so much smarter this year it’s hard for me to understand what happened.

  303. pumpkinhead on June 14th, 2007 1:23 pm

    294- I think he’s more than deserved it. He’s been clutch this year.

  304. Mr. Egaas on June 14th, 2007 1:23 pm

    Sherrill and Putz have been so money during this stretch… it’s just dominant.

  305. KingFelix21 on June 14th, 2007 1:24 pm

    296-I guarantee this start has warranted Weaver to make his next start.

  306. joser on June 14th, 2007 1:25 pm

    Ellison was the first PH-for-pitcher in the Washburn extra innings game too. And that didn’t make any sense either. But at least Hargrove is consistent.

    Ichiro! Dude is going to set some more records at this rate.

  307. Otto on June 14th, 2007 1:25 pm

    This outing did drop Weavers ERA down below 11!

  308. Axtell on June 14th, 2007 1:26 pm

    Please don’t get me wrong…I’ve been as disappointed in Weaver’s cost-to-performance ratio as anyone.

    Just saying, 3 runs over 6 innings is a marked improvement over his past performances.

  309. joser on June 14th, 2007 1:26 pm

    I’ll take Rizz tormenting some child in the booth any time over this.

    Ugh, those sessions make my skin crawl so bad I have to turn off the radio for an inning.

  310. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 1:26 pm

    That was so close to being botched.

  311. darrylzero on June 14th, 2007 1:27 pm

    Why do we bunt Ichiro over? Can’t he just steal?

  312. Dave on June 14th, 2007 1:27 pm

    It’s the return of Jose Bunting Lopez.

  313. _David_ on June 14th, 2007 1:27 pm

    Just for reference, how much did that bunt decrease our chances of scoring this inning?

  314. pygmalion on June 14th, 2007 1:27 pm

    Not this again…

  315. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 1:29 pm

    Hargrove playing for one run in one of the most hitting friendly parks in the majors. I’d rather have seen Jose line a double into the gap.

  316. darrylzero on June 14th, 2007 1:29 pm

    Axtell, but was what Weaver himself did actually better than those other outings? Or did the Cubs just suck worse today? I’m not that sure of the answer.

  317. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 1:29 pm

    I love random “Rauuuuuul!” screams in opposing stadiums. Reminds me of the good ol’ “Edddd-gaaarrrr” days.

  318. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 1:29 pm

    Lopez looked really enthusiastic about bunting. Pops it up, then just stands there. Think he wants to tell Hargrove to stuff it?

  319. jephdood on June 14th, 2007 1:30 pm

    Jason Ellison is like Charles Gipson without the plate discipline.

  320. joser on June 14th, 2007 1:30 pm

    “You keep a car for two, three, even four years.”

    Yeah, I buy a new car every two years in your dreams, car salesman slimeboy.

  321. Paul B on June 14th, 2007 1:31 pm

    313, I don’t know how to read it off the graph that accurately, but the WPA did kick up a little bit in favor of the Cubs following that bunt.

  322. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 1:31 pm

    Weaver threw junk and got away with it (for reference, see any of the Derek Lee at-bats). Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

  323. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 1:32 pm

    Weaver has never been a consistently dominant pitcher. His four best years he had an ERA around 4. Two of those years were in the NL, where an ERA of 4 is nothing to shout about. He is an innings muncher who gives you a chance to win when he is pitching effectively. Just like Miguel Batista. Today, he was pitching effectively. With our offense, he can have a 4.50-5.00 ERA and we’ll win some games. Let’s hope he does just that.

  324. zsiron on June 14th, 2007 1:32 pm

    Ichiro’s on a better hits pace this year than he was in 2004.

    119 pre-AS break hits in 2004 and he’s already got 91 with 23 pre-AS break games left.

    Not that it means much, considering he had 143 post-AS break hits in 2004 and hit .429, but it’s yet another reason to throw buckets of money at him.

  325. scraps on June 14th, 2007 1:32 pm

    I know some people will insist that bunting with Lopez is a good call in that situation. But mathematically it’s not: Fangraphs says the Cubs got a couple percentage points back on that play. And Fangraphs doesn’t consider Ichiro’s running ability or Lopez’s hitting ability.

    It’s not as bad a play as it usually is. But it’s still a bad play.

  326. fishiam on June 14th, 2007 1:33 pm

    Virtually EVERY single commercial break by KOMO goes on long enough that at least one pitch has already been delivered when the broadcast is rejoined … and we get one of the announcers making a fake call. It makes me mad they do this so frequently!

  327. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 1:33 pm

    Hmm, kinda surprised Ichiro didn’t tag to third.

  328. Dave on June 14th, 2007 1:35 pm

    As the road team:

    Top 8, up by 1, runner on 1st, no out – win expectancy is .788.

    Top 8, up by 1, runner on 2nd, 1 out – win expectancy is .777.

    Basically, it lowered the M’s chances of winning by 1%.

  329. msb on June 14th, 2007 1:35 pm

    But I’m concerned if they have to use Beltre as a pinch runner.

    well, according to Hargrove, running is the one thing Beltre can do at the moment

    Hey, I think that’s it, msb. Thanks!

    the whole list is findable at asbs-m

  330. joser on June 14th, 2007 1:36 pm

    One of the few things I’ll say in Hargrove’s favor: his use of Sherrill and Putz has been pretty much unimpeachable. Sure, it’s easy to look good when you’re putting in guys as consistently lights-out as those two, but he’s using them in high leverage situations, he’s willing to leave Sherrill in for more than one lefty out, and he’s brought Putz in before the 9th when necessary.

  331. lokiforever on June 14th, 2007 1:36 pm

    OK Mr. Mendoza, we need a hit 1 out of every 5 tries.

  332. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 1:36 pm

    327: You never chance making the 3rd out at 3rd base.

  333. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:37 pm

    Lets see if Mr .197 can not screw the pooch here.

  334. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:37 pm

    Good thing we used on of our three outs by bunting it

  335. msb on June 14th, 2007 1:37 pm

    we get one of the announcers making a fake call

    [coughRizzscough]

  336. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:38 pm

    ONE of our three outs that is

  337. metz123 on June 14th, 2007 1:38 pm

    Ugh, those sessions make my skin crawl so bad I have to turn off the radio for an inning.

    Of course the kids they pick don’t help out. Most of them have a 1 word vocabulary that consists of “Yeah”.

  338. Anna11 on June 14th, 2007 1:39 pm

    #251 — Yup, I’m in Budapest. I’m usually based in Seattle, but I’m on my way to Serbia for a summer language program. I’ll do my best to make a few Mariners Nation converts while over here.

    So…who thinks Weaver is going to get another start now? I’d rather trade him while he has some value…

    JJ should pie Weaver in the face if the M’s win.

  339. Paul B on June 14th, 2007 1:40 pm

    Richie was worse today than Weaver.

  340. bakomariner on June 14th, 2007 1:40 pm

    and here comes the walk machine…

  341. scraps on June 14th, 2007 1:40 pm

    330: He still won’t bring Putz in in a tie game, though, even when there is no chance for him to come in with a lead.

  342. darrylzero on June 14th, 2007 1:40 pm

    323, I’m just not convinced he was pitching effectively today. The results were acceptable, but I’m not sure he wouldn’t have given up a *lot* more runs against a half-way decent offensive club.

  343. joser on June 14th, 2007 1:40 pm

    After the game, when Fangraphs puts up the Play Log, you’ll be able to look and see what the WPA and pLI for that bunt was exactly.

  344. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:41 pm

    Did Jason Davis shrink and steal Morrow’s jersey?

  345. KingFelix21 on June 14th, 2007 1:41 pm

    is it possible for morrow not to walk a hitter every inning? I couldnt even imagine what it would look like if he were a SP.

  346. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 1:42 pm

    I don’t think Weaver’s trade value is very high….I’m reasonably sure he’ll start next week against the Pirates. It would be a good matchup for him, especially at Safeco.

  347. joser on June 14th, 2007 1:42 pm

    He still won’t bring Putz in in a tie game, though, even when there is no chance for him to come in with a lead.

    yeah, you’re right. OK, that weird feeling I had praising Hargrove was entirely justified.

  348. bakomariner on June 14th, 2007 1:42 pm

    morrow is killing me…

  349. Dave on June 14th, 2007 1:43 pm

    Brandon Morrow has the command of a 9 year old. How he ever gets people out is beyond me.

  350. bakomariner on June 14th, 2007 1:43 pm

    they have to move him down…

  351. Axtell on June 14th, 2007 1:43 pm

    Morrow has this frustrating tendency to alternate good outings with ones where he just cannot find the broadside of the barn.

  352. Sports on a Schtick on June 14th, 2007 1:44 pm

    Bunt into a triple play damnit.

  353. fishiam on June 14th, 2007 1:44 pm

    Gosh, it’s just so dang fun watching Brandon Morrow pitch. He makes it like SOOOOOO exciting.

  354. darrylzero on June 14th, 2007 1:44 pm

    Yikes. Not only 4 straight balls after the called strike, but not one, according to game day, was above 92 mph. Is Morrow ok?

  355. EastCoastMsFan on June 14th, 2007 1:44 pm

    for this I stayed late at work?

  356. KingFelix21 on June 14th, 2007 1:44 pm

    I hope they sac bunt. We need an out.

  357. Allen Jacobs on June 14th, 2007 1:44 pm

    Morrow just can’t throw strikes.

  358. arbeck on June 14th, 2007 1:44 pm

    Dave,

    I had great command when I was nine… I could throw a change up and a fastball for strikes consistently!

  359. LA M's Fan on June 14th, 2007 1:44 pm

    i’m starting to think that morrow is the WFB of pitchers. Best attributes for the M’s management: White and a local kid. Ugh.

  360. pumpkinhead on June 14th, 2007 1:45 pm

    Jesus. His control is getting worse as the year progresses.

    Walks drive me friggin nuts. No better way to give away a ballgame.

  361. Mr. Egaas on June 14th, 2007 1:45 pm

    Brandon Morrow dream train might be over…

  362. bakomariner on June 14th, 2007 1:45 pm

    everyone has learned that his command sucks and he only throws a fastball…the take sign is always on…jesus…

  363. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 1:45 pm

    Fangraphs now shows Cubs with a better than 50% chance of winning the game.

  364. Paul B on June 14th, 2007 1:45 pm

    following the second walk, the Cubs had a 55% chance of winning.

  365. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:45 pm

    Bunting is probably doing us a favor at this point. Just hands over an out and leaves first base open for his next walk.

  366. scraps on June 14th, 2007 1:46 pm

    How long until the book on Morrow is “Don’t Swing”?

  367. KingFelix21 on June 14th, 2007 1:46 pm

    Has anyone ever seen someone with a worse bb/9?

  368. carcinogen on June 14th, 2007 1:46 pm

    Wild thing, you make my heart sing!

  369. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:47 pm

    Pretty nice play by WillBlo

  370. Anna11 on June 14th, 2007 1:49 pm

    Dammit.

  371. Phoenician Todd on June 14th, 2007 1:49 pm

    My god, Mr. Morrow needs to learn how to throw strikes on a consistent basis.

  372. LA M's Fan on June 14th, 2007 1:53 pm

    paging Rafael Soriano. Rafael Soriano to a white courtesy phone.

  373. Beniitec on June 14th, 2007 1:55 pm

    Mike Hargrove = Real Man of Genius.

  374. Paul B on June 14th, 2007 1:55 pm

    At some point, Morrow is going to have to learn how to pitch. Unless they really want him to be a one pitch short reliever.

    But he’s going to be in the minors sometime. It’s sort of fascinating to watch and see when he’ll get sent out. In the same way watching storm stories on the weather channel is fascinating.

  375. Todd S. on June 14th, 2007 1:55 pm

    #292 Lovin’ the ZatAoMM reference.

  376. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:56 pm

    I guess you don’t need an outpitch when Soriano expands his zone to the dugout

    We’ll have a ghost of a chance still if Green miraculously gets us out of Morrow’s mess here

  377. LA M's Fan on June 14th, 2007 1:56 pm

    our lineup in the 9th?

    YuBet
    WFB
    Jamie “Carlton Fisk” Burke

  378. Ralph Malph on June 14th, 2007 1:56 pm

    We have Felix the King and they have Felix the Foot.

  379. Ralph Malph on June 14th, 2007 1:58 pm

    Vidro and Johjima are available to pinch hit. I would hope one of them hits for WillBlo

  380. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 1:58 pm

    Is Morrow just getting overused in addition to his usual control “issues?”

  381. _David_ on June 14th, 2007 1:59 pm

    377: The Killer B’s?

  382. JIMINEDMONDS on June 14th, 2007 1:59 pm

    The slow, inexorable glide out of the AL West race may be beginning.

  383. _David_ on June 14th, 2007 2:00 pm

    382: wow, that might be a little too knee-jerk, but I get the sentiment.

  384. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 2:01 pm

    Gotta be kiddin’ us with that garbage YuBet

  385. msb on June 14th, 2007 2:02 pm

    for petesake, it’s Bobby Howry pitching.

  386. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 2:02 pm

    Willie swinging for the fences…surprisingly unsuccessful

  387. _David_ on June 14th, 2007 2:03 pm

    Where the fuck is Ben Broussard?

  388. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 2:03 pm

    so we let WFB hit and pinch hit for Burke? What genius.

  389. Ralph Malph on June 14th, 2007 2:03 pm

    Grover! Mike! Wake up! They’re still playing ball out there!

  390. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 2:03 pm

    Just SOMEHOW get Ichie up there

  391. Ralph Malph on June 14th, 2007 2:04 pm

    Ben Broussard is batting in Sexson’s spot. But Vidro was available. Why do you hit for the guy batting .415 and let WillBlo hit?

  392. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 2:04 pm

    Broussard came in on a double switch in the 8th.

  393. UofMichgoMs on June 14th, 2007 2:04 pm

    This loss is essentially all Brandon Morrow’s fault

  394. williebfan on June 14th, 2007 2:05 pm

    FUCK

  395. williebfan on June 14th, 2007 2:05 pm

    FUCK

  396. Ralph Malph on June 14th, 2007 2:05 pm

    Sorry, meant to say Broussard was in the 9th spot after the double switch.

  397. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 2:05 pm

    Who would play 3rd if we made it to xtra innings? I guess that’s the dilemna that Hargrove couldn’t figure out. Plus, he just loves Willie.

  398. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 2:06 pm

    Sad thing is…

    You know in a million years, it never ocurred to Grover that Sherrill really didn’t HAVE to come out. They had some lefties coming up. And Morrow could use more than one day off in a row.

    Notice, Howry didn’t immediately come out and make way for Dempster. Lou actually goes win the flow sometimes instead of “pre-arranging” everything.

  399. gwangung on June 14th, 2007 2:06 pm

    Why do you hit for the guy batting .415 and let WillBlo hit?

    Who would you put at third?

  400. joser on June 14th, 2007 2:06 pm

    I’ve been saying Morrow’s wildness is going to cost a game all along, but I didn’t expect his fielding to matter.

  401. Ralph Malph on June 14th, 2007 2:07 pm

    Guess Hargrove figured Bloomquist was on a hot streak. He’s got his OPS up to 560 on the year, after all.

  402. Karen on June 14th, 2007 2:10 pm

    Welllllll…the M’s made the most of their 3 hits and 3 BBs, scoring 4 runs with that. But when they let the other team get TWELVE hits and 3 BBs? For a couple of minutes or so in the top of the 8th it looked like the M’s would steal another 1-run win.

    Bye, bye Weaver. (I wouldn’t even let him back on the plane)

  403. Beniitec on June 14th, 2007 2:10 pm

    Easy…you put Vidro at 3rd and pray it doesn’t get to him. Or better yet, put Lopez there and Vidro at 2nd.

  404. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 2:11 pm

    Couldn’t Lopez have moved to third and Vidro played second?

    Last I heard, if we didn’t actually score, there would be no need to worry about the ninth inning infield.

    But, I’m still figuring out why Sherrill was taken out so quickly with a tired pen behind him

  405. AuburnM on June 14th, 2007 2:11 pm

    Weaver good, Morrow bad. Crazy.

    Oh well, pen had to blow one eventually.

  406. Phoenician Todd on June 14th, 2007 2:11 pm

    Who would you put at third?
    Cross that bridge when you come to it, the first order of business is scoring a run to tie, or 2+ for the lead.

  407. Anna11 on June 14th, 2007 2:12 pm

    #397 — Didn’t Lou love Willie too? All the M’s managers seem to love Willie because he can fill in at almost any position.

  408. Ralph Malph on June 14th, 2007 2:13 pm

    Sure, it’s not ideal, but I’d put either Vidro, Burke or Lopez at 3rd. Cross that bridge if you get to it. But you can’t let the worst hitter on the team bat there, against a righthander.

  409. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 2:13 pm

    Disappointing….arguably, Beltre is the player we can least afford to lose for any length of time, because the dropoff to Bloomquist is so great and there aren’t any alternatives. Get well soon, Adrian.

  410. Ralph Malph on June 14th, 2007 2:14 pm

    Bat Johjima for WFB, let Burke hit and play 3rd. He’s played a lot of 3rd in his career.

  411. don52656 on June 14th, 2007 2:14 pm

    Willie can’t hit, never has been able to hit, and I just can’t understand why he gets so many at bats.

    What, he has 4 RBI’s already this year? He’s got a chance of reaching double digits….

  412. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 2:15 pm

    409

    I’ve been as hard on Beltre as anyone and I completely agree with you

  413. Panev on June 14th, 2007 2:16 pm

    #399

    You have to get to the bottom of the 9th first. WFB was an out waiting to happen.

    Lopez at third and Vidro at Second?
    Burke at third and Joh at catcher?

  414. Beniitec on June 14th, 2007 2:16 pm

    Now…trade WEAVER NOW… Now that his stock is rising…

  415. Axtell on June 14th, 2007 2:16 pm

    Good lord, what a disaster. The bullpen has been solid all year, but today it cost us.

  416. Steve T on June 14th, 2007 2:17 pm

    So, is Morrow’s transformation from top starter prospect to crap reliever complete? If high draft picks can be considered as investments, isn’t this the equivalent of blowing your inheritance on cocaine?

    When do we cut him? And how long will it take his next team to repair the damage and actually develop him into a pitcher? A year? Two years?

  417. DiamondDave on June 14th, 2007 2:18 pm

    Ironic, isn’t it, that we run off this incredible streak of 1-run victories on this road trip, only to end it with two one-run losses to the Cubs, who have been terrible in 1-run games this year.

    And before we jump down Brandon Morrow’s throat, let’s remember that his stellar 8th inning work has been worth at least a couple wins this year, maybe more. We’re still on the positive side with him.

    And certainly, pitching didn’t lose this game. Managing just three hits and a little bit of managerial incompetence did.

    Weaver didn’t give up a run after the first. He’s with the club for the rest of the year now.

  418. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 2:20 pm

    416

    Stop using him every day or every other day would be a step in the right direction.

    What happened to that Soriano guy who used to do the same job without walking eveyone? ;-)

  419. msb on June 14th, 2007 2:23 pm

    aw, they are playing Lou’s WGN postgame conversation. good to hear all the stammering and bizarre mid-sentence pauses again.

  420. joser on June 14th, 2007 2:25 pm

    Why would they cut Morrow? That’s nuts. If anything, this helps them send him to the minors to turn him into a starter, just like they should have from the beginning.

  421. joser on June 14th, 2007 2:26 pm

    That postgame conference with Lou was funny — everybody all happy to have taken 2 of 3 “from one of the hottest teams in baseball.”

  422. DiamondDave on June 14th, 2007 2:27 pm

    OK, you can all please stop it with the Bloomquist hatred. Willie made a huge play on Sunday to steal third and then score the winning run. But no one gives him any credit for that on this blog. He also scored the winning run on Monday, taking off from first on the Ibanez double.

    Yes, he’s no great shakes at the plate. That’s why he’s a bench player. He’s a good pinchrunner and can play many positions adquately, filling in when someone is hurt or needs a day off. It’s certainly a chicken-and-egg question about his hitting, because it’s not easy to sit for four days and then go out there and go 2-for-4. Everyone knows that.

    After the 1 millionth “Wille Sucks” comment, I’d think we could just desist for a bit.

  423. joser on June 14th, 2007 2:29 pm

    Hargrove on Weaver: “Pitched well” “He was good after the 1st inning”

    We’re going to be seeing him every 5th game through the end of season.

  424. Beniitec on June 14th, 2007 2:31 pm

    I second the motion #422.

  425. msb on June 14th, 2007 2:36 pm

    say, has anyone warned Ichiro about the outfield in Houston?

  426. DMZ on June 14th, 2007 2:36 pm

    That’s ridiculous. We talk about Bloomquist as a great 25th man all the time, particularly in how his base-running and versatility make him well-suited for that role. There’s a lot of mocking about the gap between actual value and the tongue baths the broadcast crew gives him, but no one really argues he’s not worth his roster spot.

    That doesn’t mean that there isn’t a huge drop-off from Beltre to Bloomquist at third.

    And for the “sit for three days…” he doesn’t hit when he gets regular playing time, either.

  427. eponymous coward on June 14th, 2007 2:40 pm

    It’s certainly a chicken-and-egg question about his hitting, because it’s not easy to sit for four days and then go out there and go 2-for-4. Everyone knows that.

    We’ve looked at his minor league record, too. He has over 2500 professional at-bats, and he just can’t hit, period. Jamie Burke is almost certainly the better hitter… but WFB got to swing away.

    It’s stuff like that that drives people crazy, FWIW.

  428. JIMINEDMONDS on June 14th, 2007 2:41 pm

    The last two games are games that championship level clubs do not lose: first, you lose on a misplay of a routine throw, and then a relief pitcher that walks you to a come-from-ahead loss. I am encouraged by the development of this team so far, but this pair of one-run losses to the sub-.500 Cubbies has brought me back to Earth. I hope that they can win the series in Houston to come back home with a nice 7-3 roadtrip. As for the AL West race, maybe it is a little knee-jerk, but, with the Angels playing at such a torrid pace, it will be hard to contend with them.

  429. juneau_fan on June 14th, 2007 2:45 pm

    I blame the Curse of the Sudden Spotlight. The media wakes up to the fact the Mariners are playing pretty good, they talk about it, and we start losing. The moment they gave A-rod the super attention–different from his regular ‘god on earth’ moniker–he stopped hitting 3 HRs a game. The moment the media started wailing, The Yankees are done! they started winning.

    Still, these two loses hurt. I swear, sometimes it’s better to just lose by 7 runs and figure it was a bad day.

  430. Grizz on June 14th, 2007 2:45 pm

    The last two games are games that championship level clubs do not lose

    You obviously did not watch the 2006 St. Louis Cardinals much.

  431. joser on June 14th, 2007 2:57 pm

    A’s and Astros, tied in the top of the 11th. Here’s hoping the Astros have a burned-out bullpen.

  432. fishiam on June 14th, 2007 3:18 pm

    I’ve been enjoying FanGraphs as much as anyone, and usually checkout the WPA each game. But I just noticed something that made me throw up a little bit in my mouth. Go to FanGraphs, seelct Teams and look at the Mariners for 2007. As you’d expect, Ichiro leads in WPA this season. Look at who is No. 2. And look who is last. Now, I’m not sure I trust that WPA is really telling us much.

  433. Steve T on June 14th, 2007 3:23 pm

    The “cut him” was a jab at the M’s inability to develop or understand pitchers, not a suggestion.

  434. robbbbbb on June 14th, 2007 3:43 pm

    I don’t think WPA tells us much about individuals, no. It does tell us significant things about the game state during a game, and also about apportioning credit between the starting pitching, bullpen, and offense.

    The starters have been mediocre-bad, the offense has been a little above average and the Mariner bullpen rocks.

  435. terry on June 14th, 2007 3:43 pm

    #151: and now I’m the joke…. :-)

  436. Ralph Malph on June 14th, 2007 4:14 pm

    The reason Bloomquist doesn’t hit when he’s given regular playing time is that he’s worrying about not getting to play if he has an o-fer. What they need to do is let him play every day for 2 or 3 years. Only then will we be able to truly evaluate whether he can really hit.

    See, his repeated failure to hit is really management’s fault. That was Spiezio’s problem too. They only let him suck for a year and a half before they benched him.

  437. Mike G. on June 14th, 2007 4:40 pm

    425- Ichiro played center in the All-Star game in Houston.

  438. Mike G. on June 14th, 2007 4:42 pm

    416- Blowing your inheritance on coke is a lot more fun than that 8th inning was.

  439. CSG on June 14th, 2007 5:33 pm

    Open question: When Mark Lowe returns, presuming that he has bounced back fully from his injury, should the Mariners send down Brandon Morrow to get work as a starter, with Lowe taking his place in the bullpen?

  440. Colorado M's Fan on June 14th, 2007 5:36 pm

    #359, Is California considered “local”? :P

    And I have a question for people that know more about Morrow than I do: Does Morrow have a history of having no command/control or is this a recent development?

  441. Jordan of Boise on June 14th, 2007 5:58 pm

    436 – Ralph, don’t confuse the Ignitor with some up-and-comer who is trying to develop into a day-in day-out regular, or someone trying to earn a spot on the field. Willie’s playing time is not dependent on whether he has good or bad days on the plate. His talents and abilities are well-established and are not going to change, and in a sane world, neither is his role. He is a utility reserve who is well suited to that role, not a plucky but raw kid who risks AAA-time for having a bad run at the plate. I repeat – he is a permanent reserve who’s playing time is dependent not on his own performance but by the availability of the starters. He would have to eat the bat with his asshole to lose playing time on account of his performance, so that’s not a concern.

    WFB is an asset to the team when used according to his capabilities, and the mark of a good manager in any line of work is recognizing what their employees are capable of succeeding at, and placing them in situations where they can do well. Problems arise when bad management places more stock in him than his track record demonstrates to be wise, and he is left in to slap for the fences while the best hitter of the day is subbed out.

  442. Jordan of Boise on June 14th, 2007 5:59 pm

    Addendum – Maybe you were being sarcastic =)

  443. chuckm792 on June 14th, 2007 6:01 pm

    Did anyone else hear the post-game “round-up” where Rizzs gave Weaver the MVP for the game? I get the feeling that this start means we’re stuck with him for the rest of the season no matter what happens.

  444. joser on June 14th, 2007 6:14 pm

    I think any post invoking Spiezio pretty much has to be sarcasm.

  445. joser on June 14th, 2007 6:22 pm

    …And the A’s win it in 11. Thanks to some kid named Suzuki. Kurt Suzuki. Who’s a catcher. Jeez, Beane even manages to get the cheap combo version of M’s stars.

    On the plus side, the Astros only got 4 innings out of their starter and used Lidge and Qualls for 2 innings each among six relievers total. And their starting shortstop, Adam Everett, broke his leg.

  446. msb on June 14th, 2007 6:45 pm
  447. IdahoInvader on June 14th, 2007 8:46 pm

    445

    Only matters if we can limit our infamous 7-8 pitch innings tomorrow.

  448. davepaisley on June 14th, 2007 11:03 pm

    #432 – WFB has been fortunate to be inserted into several games lately where he has had high leverage impact, bumping up the WPA.

    WPA is all about being in the right place at the right time. Note his BRAA is pretty sucky.

    Still, as noted, it merely reinforces the notion that he is an excellent late innings PR, not so much a valuable everyday guy.

  449. Tak on June 15th, 2007 12:14 am

    ugh, Yankees catching up on the wild-card standings… this is not looking too great.

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