Game 77, Blue Jays at Mariners

Dave · June 30, 2007 at 6:30 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

Batista vs Halladay, 7:05 pm.

M’s look to make it 7 in a row.


171 Responses to “Game 77, Blue Jays at Mariners”

  1. az sr softball on June 30th, 2007 10:39 pm

    btw–Blowers kept saying that Miguel had a fantastic game. He did? I counted 9 full counts, in trouble almost every inning.

  2. joser on June 30th, 2007 10:41 pm

    You know, this is kind of weird, but: has any team been so helped by the unavailability of players as this year’s Mariners? You only have to look across the diamond, or down south a ways, to see teams that “coulda bin a contendah” if not for injuries and other lost players. The A’s and Jays haven’t been able to get their seasons going because so many key guys haven’t been in the game. And yet the Mariners have gotten better as they’ve lost guys who were on the opening day roster.

    Mateo gets taken out of Hargrove’s hands, forcing him to play the kids (and actually manage a bullpen instead of mindlessly expecting a flyball “veteran” to get a groundball out and failing over and over). The worst pitchers in the rotation get hurt (or, in Weaver’s case, “hurt”) and again Hargrove has to juggle things and play the kids. Ibanez appears to have fallen off the age cliff everyone has been predicting, but then he gets hurt which forces Hargrove to remember that Broussard is on his bench, just waiting to get enough ABs in a row to remind people why he was worth trading for.

    Heck, the team was even helped by having Hargrove be unavailable thanks to his daughter’s graduation, allowing MacLaren to remind everybody that they practice squeeze punts in ST for a reason, and there’s more than one way to construct a lineup.

  3. The Unknown Comic on June 30th, 2007 10:42 pm

    Well as usual my attention span is so short that the best I can get is a superficial outlook on the results of the game so I just assumed that Batista did pretty good but I am sure the numbers reveal that he sucked as usual.

  4. joser on June 30th, 2007 10:45 pm

    Batista walked 5 guys in 6.1 innings. No way that’s a fantastic game for a pitcher, no matter how few of those guys actually scored.

  5. Axtell on June 30th, 2007 10:45 pm


    5 walks and 5 hits in 6+ innings isn’t a good job, but the cursory glance at 1 ER will make people think he did.

  6. joser on June 30th, 2007 10:55 pm

    Batista threw just 59 strikes in his 114 pitches. There are words for that, but I don’t think “fantastic” is one of them.

  7. cgmonk on June 30th, 2007 11:05 pm

    So if pitcher can give up 1 ER in 6 innings and have a not good outing, does that also mean a pitcher can give up 4 ER in 6 innings and have a good outing?

    Doesn’t the end result of a preformance take into account somewhere? Somebody work the stats to show that the Yankees are the best team in baseball.

  8. Phoenician Todd on June 30th, 2007 11:20 pm

    The end result can be positive, even if the contributing factors were negative. That results based conclusion of performance will get you nowhere fast.

  9. carcinogen on June 30th, 2007 11:25 pm

    In terms of WPA, Batista was the top contributor. Granted, that is a game-by-game stat, so it means little over the course of a season. These kind of performances aren’t sustainable, but he did the job today.

    As has been said many times, the ability to strand runners is not a repeatable skill. However, I will say that the BJ line-up helped a great deal…they have some serious holes, and Batista (whether intentional or not) exploited them. See e.g. Greg Zaun.

  10. cgmonk on June 30th, 2007 11:30 pm

    So then, it is possible for a team to go 0-162 never winning a game and still be the “best” team in baseball?

    and it is also possible for a team to go 162-0 never losing a game and at the same time be the worst team in baseball?

  11. carcinogen on June 30th, 2007 11:34 pm

    160: no and no…but it is possible for a team to win 116 games and win just one game in the ALCS.

  12. IdahoInvader on July 1st, 2007 12:05 am


    And its possible for the LF on that team to have multiple wives and tall stories about allegedly playing football for SC

  13. Paul B on July 1st, 2007 6:41 am

    157: There’s a difference between an individual result (1 ER) and individual performance (walks) that might point to expected performance in future games.

  14. TheMsfan on July 1st, 2007 6:44 am

    as far as batista goes, no, walking 5 guys in 6 innings is not generally a way to give your team a chance to win, because after all guys, that is the goal of the starting pitcher, to pitch well and give your team a chance to win

    but, none of the walks were lead off walks, which is a very good thing, and his fb to gb percentage was somewhat decent

    no, no baseballs are going into the hall of fame thrown today, but i’ll take the results every single time; even if the chances of doing it like that again are slim.

  15. davepaisley on July 1st, 2007 7:16 am

    Five walks and five singles will rarely hurt you badly unless they all come together in a bunch. It’s pretty easy to scatter those over six-plus innings and not give up much.

    What was Batista’s OPS against?

    BA = SLG = .208
    OBP = .345

    OPS against = .553

    That’s never going to hurt you much.

  16. davepaisley on July 1st, 2007 7:18 am

    Oh yeah, isn’t it the brains trust around here who say that WHIP is a crappy stat (almost the crappiest of crappy stats)?

    So stop using it against Batista.

  17. msb on July 1st, 2007 8:08 am

    and Blow is an ex-player.

    If you win the game, the pitcher musta been fantastic 🙂

  18. carcinogen on July 1st, 2007 8:41 am

    162: Its also possible that the mendacious player you speak of be the only one to get a hit during a playoff game against his team at home.

  19. joser on July 1st, 2007 8:58 am

    Batista was certainly good enough. I guess I just have a higher bar for “fantastic” than a lot of people here do.

  20. scraps on July 1st, 2007 9:04 am

    Coolstandings now gives the Mariners a better shot at the division then the wild card, and a 26% playoff chance overall. Moving up!

  21. joser on July 1st, 2007 5:21 pm

    Oh yeah, isn’t it the brains trust around here who say that WHIP is a crappy stat (almost the crappiest of crappy stats)?

    So stop using it against Batista.

    It’s crappy as a predictive stat. Used to evaluate a pitcher it’s not great, but at least it’s not misused. Try to keep up.

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