Game 83, Mariners at A’s

Dave · July 6, 2007 at 6:36 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

Weaver vs Haren, 7:05 pm.

Geoff Baker jumped on the Adam Jones to left field bandwagon. Huzzah. At this point, the only people who apparently aren’t in favor of making this move immediately are the Mariners and Jose Vidro’s mother.

Also, Jason Davis DFA’d to clear a roster spot for Chris Reitsma. Good – now we’re down to one tall, skinny, right-handed reliever with no command of his only pitch.

Be nice if the M’s could steal this one tonight.

Comments

262 Responses to “Game 83, Mariners at A’s”

  1. Corey on July 6th, 2007 6:44 pm

    Hopefully the Weaver pendulum is still swinging the other way to make up for his awful start.

    So, does that mean we have like, 3 badass starts left before he reverts to the mean?

    :)

  2. fetish on July 6th, 2007 6:50 pm

    Reversion to the mean? I’m not buying it.

    Does everyone remember when Steve Urkel became Stephon Ur-kel? It’s like that.

  3. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 6:53 pm

    His ERA is still 6.75 I would say 3-4 above average starts left in him till he has reached the mean. Or I will take 1 perfect game tonight from him… it is the A’s offense.

  4. Tek Jansen on July 6th, 2007 7:01 pm

    I don’t mind Ballgame getting a start every now and then, but why rest Lopez, who sat two games with back spasms last weekend. Unless Lopez is hurting, I would like to see Yubet get a day off. He has looked simply awful at the plate.

  5. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 7:05 pm

    If Weaver can beat Haren I will die a happy man.

  6. Lucky Number on July 6th, 2007 7:08 pm

    #2:

    Wag of the finger for “Reversion to the mean” instead of “Regression to the mean”.

    Tip of the hat for the Family Matters reference!

  7. etowncoug on July 6th, 2007 7:10 pm

    So Dave,

    You have an over/under on the amount of time it takes the crazys to start screaming about how the Jason Davis trade was a bad idea? (It wasn’t)

  8. fetish on July 6th, 2007 7:11 pm

    Aha #6 – I was referencing the quote from #1 – badass starts left before he reverts to the mean – ergo there is no penalty for “reversion” – and is it regression when a player returns to prior levels after a slump?

  9. Lucky Number on July 6th, 2007 7:14 pm

    Fetish:

    I stand corrected. I am currently in the process of erasing that finger-wag from your permenant record and installing a shiny gold star to put on your next report card.

  10. Carson on July 6th, 2007 7:15 pm

    Hey, hey! Turbo found a way not to ground out!

  11. thowe1 on July 6th, 2007 7:17 pm

    Amen to that… at least Turbo can take a walk, let’s hope it’s to a long stint on the bench in the near future.

  12. Carson on July 6th, 2007 7:18 pm

    WOW! A break!! Come through for us, Richie…

  13. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 7:18 pm

    You mean Ben?

  14. Carson on July 6th, 2007 7:19 pm

    Oh wait. Lest my eyes deceive me, Broussard works tonight!

  15. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 7:19 pm

    For the second night in the row “Vidro runs decently”, these A’s guys need to be fired.

  16. Lucky Number on July 6th, 2007 7:21 pm

    Maybe Vidro’s mom supplied them with some sweet oven fresh cookies and they feel obligated to say something positive about him…

  17. Paul B on July 6th, 2007 7:23 pm

    When the injured pitchers come back, considering who is in the rotation and available in AAA, who should comprise the starting rotation?

    Felix, Washburn, Batista, Weaver(?), and, instead of HoRam, who?

  18. Carson on July 6th, 2007 7:24 pm

    Dave N said runs will cost a premium for either side. He must have a really short term memory, because I wouldn’t count on Good Weaver sticking around as long as Bad Weaver did.

  19. Paul B on July 6th, 2007 7:25 pm

    I’d settle for mediocre Weaver.

  20. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 7:26 pm

    15: If it’s the A’s broadcast team, that might figure — their guys don’t exactly burn up the basepaths themselves.

  21. Carson on July 6th, 2007 7:29 pm

    Wow. That fooled everyone, and Guillen almost paid for it.

  22. Paul B on July 6th, 2007 7:29 pm

    Guillen almost overran that ball, but nice throw for the DP.

  23. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 7:30 pm

    Every pitch I am afraid that Worst Ever Weaver is going to pop his ugly head back up. Makes it better when he comes back from 3-0 counts and gets your garden variety 9-3 DP.

  24. BKM on July 6th, 2007 7:30 pm

    10. It might surprise you that Vidro is third on the team in walks, two behind Sexon, one behind Ichiro.

  25. thowe1 on July 6th, 2007 7:30 pm

    Nice gun…. He gets the “Value Add” mark on the day…. Too bad Vidro hasn’t had one of those in a couple of months

  26. Carson on July 6th, 2007 7:32 pm

    WOW.

  27. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 7:32 pm

    AB!!

  28. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 7:32 pm

    Beltre!!!!

  29. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 7:32 pm

    Weaver is money now!

  30. thowe1 on July 6th, 2007 7:32 pm

    Funk Blizzle

  31. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 7:33 pm

    GET FUNKY with your bad self Beltre!

  32. Paul B on July 6th, 2007 7:34 pm

    24, although, the M’s are still far and away the worst walking team in all of baseball (fewer walks than any team, including NL teams), so saying he is near the top of the team in walks is not a glowing complement by itself.

  33. joser on July 6th, 2007 7:37 pm

    Don’t walk, don’t strike out. It’s a weird team.

  34. dislocated on July 6th, 2007 7:39 pm

    Does anyone have the BABIP for the team this season…. to compare to walk and strike outs?

  35. BKM on July 6th, 2007 7:39 pm

    24. OK, but it wasn’t meant to be a “glowing compliment.” My point was that it’s not such a shock that he didn’t ground out.

  36. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 7:40 pm

    Angels lost… lets slip down to 3.5 out.

  37. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 7:41 pm

    Cirillo just hit a homerun!

  38. JR Ewing on July 6th, 2007 7:41 pm

    the mariners and a’s have been very similar lately in terms of pitches per batter plate app. since june 2, m’s are 3.67, oakland is 3.77. so, does that amount to just 5 pitches per game ? or is this a case where the numbers don’t tell the real story ?

  39. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 7:41 pm

    34- .306 BABIP

  40. scraps on July 6th, 2007 7:42 pm

    Since the Mariners don’t walk and don’t strike out, are they near the bottom of the league in game length? Presumably there are a lot fewer pitches in a Mariners game.

  41. joser on July 6th, 2007 7:43 pm

    How is it possible that the A’s have the guy with the worst OBP in the AL (Kendall .262) and the 5th worst (Crosby .279) as regular starters?

  42. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 7:43 pm

    The Twinkies are ahead of the White Sox 12-0 in the second game…slowpitch softball night at US Cellular Field continues!

  43. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 7:43 pm

    I’m a Weaver believer!

  44. 88fingerslukee on July 6th, 2007 7:45 pm

    I think Weaver sold his soul to the devil.

    Pulled a ‘Kurt Warner’ if you will.

  45. joser on July 6th, 2007 7:45 pm

    Man, think the Twins are tired? They’ve scored 32 runs so far today, and still have a couple of innings to play. I thought the White Sox got smacked in the first game, this is even worse.

  46. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 7:46 pm

    41: Crosby’s slid downhill quite a bit in the last couple of years, and Kendall probably isn’t the pickup that Beane thought he’d be.

  47. IMissBenDavis on July 6th, 2007 7:46 pm

    I never thought I’d say this, but ..

    GO Weaver!

  48. joser on July 6th, 2007 7:46 pm

    As long as the devil only collects from him, and not the rest of us, I’m fine with that.

  49. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 7:47 pm

    I’ll bet the White Sox can’t wait ’til the Devil Rays get back to town!

  50. 88fingerslukee on July 6th, 2007 7:49 pm

    Damn, Morneau sucks. 3-5 3 HR

  51. thowe1 on July 6th, 2007 7:51 pm

    49 – Dude, talk about a real life “Requiem for a Dream” for Ozzie Guillen. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving ass clown..

  52. fishiam on July 6th, 2007 7:53 pm

    I dig this strike-throwing Weaver cat. I want some of what he’s been smoking lately.

  53. IdahoInvader on July 6th, 2007 7:53 pm

    The only thing good about Broussard dropping that ball was that it wasn’t Sexson

  54. PositivePaul on July 6th, 2007 7:53 pm

    I’m a Weaver believer!

    As long as he keeps mixing his pitches up like he’s been doing, and throws that beautiful curve for a strike, I’m a believer, too.

  55. IdahoInvader on July 6th, 2007 7:54 pm

    Felix vs Harden and “No TV” just doesn’t seem to compute.

  56. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 7:59 pm

    55: Amen to that.

    I wonder if we’ll get that as Fox’s Game-of-the-Week…or if they’ll jam the Dodgers down our throats like they usually do on Saturday?

  57. geofftoons on July 6th, 2007 8:00 pm

    Wow, after today, can you say “White Sox Fire Sale”?

    I agree, no TV tomorrow is criminal!

  58. Axtell on July 6th, 2007 8:02 pm

    55-

    Instead, we get SD/Atlanta….yawn.

  59. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 8:04 pm

    As flaky as he might have been, I can’t believe the A’s never retired Rickey’s number.

  60. juneau_fan on July 6th, 2007 8:04 pm

    *wiping brow*

  61. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 8:05 pm

    Hope that didn’t use up all of Weaver’s devil payment.

  62. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 8:06 pm

    Wow, I hate to say it but I am also a Weaver Believer.

  63. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 8:06 pm

    Oh, boy…Pods vs. Bravos. Have to remember to tivo that one. :(

  64. thowe1 on July 6th, 2007 8:09 pm

    58 – Yeah, you can actually tune into that game and watch an everyday starter with a worse average and general approach to the game this year than Richie in Andruw Jones…. You know Scott Boras is at church every Sunday in his Ferrari praying for a quick turnaround in his game.

  65. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 8:10 pm

    Bueno Beltre!

  66. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 8:13 pm

    I just noticed that Gameday shrinks the strikezone to the height of the hitter. Have they always done that?

  67. scraps on July 6th, 2007 8:13 pm

    I can’t believe the A’s never retired Rickey’s number.

    Has Rickey admitted he’s retired? If he has, it’s pretty recently. I don’t blame them for not retiring his number when he was still trying to play in the majors.

  68. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 8:16 pm

    Some agressive hitting by WFB! #&@%.

  69. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 8:16 pm

    One pitch Willie, sweet. I think a rally killing instruction book is inside every Mariners locker.

  70. juneau_fan on July 6th, 2007 8:16 pm

    Way to kill a rally, Willie

  71. scraps on July 6th, 2007 8:18 pm

    Haren had fallen behind the previous three hitters.

  72. Dave on July 6th, 2007 8:19 pm

    I just noticed that Gameday shrinks the strikezone to the height of the hitter. Have they always done that?

    That’s the Pitch F/X system, which runs enhanced gameday – it’s only installed in some parks right now.

  73. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 8:21 pm

    67: Now that you mention it, he IS still creeping ’round the indy leagues somewhere…

  74. juneau_fan on July 6th, 2007 8:22 pm

    67. I thought I heard during a Mets game that they brought him into coach Reyes in base stealing? Not that you can’t be a coach and play, but it sounds more ex-player than current.

  75. Shuchu on July 6th, 2007 8:23 pm

    What’s wrong with Weaver? His delivery looks terrible.

  76. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 8:24 pm

    He is hurt go get him!!!

  77. Shuchu on July 6th, 2007 8:24 pm

    Tag there, buddy.

  78. huhwhat on July 6th, 2007 8:25 pm

    75 – Doesn’t he change his arm angles every once in awhile? maybe that’s what makes him look wierd.

  79. South Pacific on July 6th, 2007 8:25 pm

    A question. Is AJ getting time in RF and LF as well as CF at Tacoma? I hope so, to make his promotion as stress free as possible.

  80. juneau_fan on July 6th, 2007 8:26 pm

    I feel like *I’ve* made a deal with the devil, in that I’ll take whatever weirdness Weaver puts off as long as he wins. He looks like someone’s creepy uncle, he mutters to himself, he screeches, he hangs that long arm like an albino orangutan–I feel uneasy every moment. But, whatever.

  81. Dave on July 6th, 2007 8:26 pm

    AJ played right field tonight.

    And yea, Weaver’s hurt. I doubt he comes out for the 5th inning.

  82. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 8:26 pm

    Weaver has gone to his over the top arm angle only and his pitches look awful and are much slower on the stadium gun. Chavez needs to be fired if Weaver keeps throwing.

  83. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 8:32 pm

    Weaver started using his different arm angles near the end maybe it wasn’t to serious.

  84. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 8:32 pm

    74: I hadn’t heard that, but that’s very interesting — and also very possible, since last I’d heard the indy league team he was playing for was somewhere in Jersey.

  85. juneau_fan on July 6th, 2007 8:33 pm

    BWWAHHH!! Sometimes it’s worth the out for the laugh.

  86. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 8:35 pm

    Weaver is cool. Uhhuhuhu huhuhu huhu

  87. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 8:36 pm

    The A’s announcers were scared that might go out for a second, they really need to watch a few M’s games to realize Vidro is slow and hits like he has leprosy.

  88. JIMINEDMONDS on July 6th, 2007 8:40 pm

    Watching the Mariners play in Oakland is so disheartening, as, no matter what happens,you just know that the Athletics will win somehow someway. It just seems inevitable that we will take our lumps in Oaktown. I hate to say it, but we may be on the way to getting swept in 4 games. Come on, M’s, prove me wrong!

  89. juneau_fan on July 6th, 2007 8:42 pm

    Kendall looks like he should be a character actor in ’30′s Warner Bros. movies, playing ‘Mugsy’

    And no matter how shitty his numbers are, why does it always seems like he gets hits when the A’s needs them?

  90. Shuchu on July 6th, 2007 8:43 pm

    “Ive just closed my eyes again
    Climbed aboard the dream weaver train
    Driver take away my worries of today . . .
    Ooh dream weaver
    I believe you can get me through the night.”

  91. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 8:46 pm

    #90

    That’s cool. I like it. I like it a lot and Weaver even looks like he is from the 70′s.

  92. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 8:46 pm

    Joe Table coming in to stop the Rockies rally at Coors Field, is that really the best option the Phillies got?

  93. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 8:47 pm

    The A’s announcers are talking about how Weaver’s velocity is down from the start of the game. What’s wrong with him?

  94. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 8:47 pm

    I have Tulowitzki on my fantasy team.

  95. fishiam on July 6th, 2007 8:48 pm

    OK, I finally figured it out. Who does Dan Haren look like in that ESPN/MLB photo they show of him with a full beard? Drove me crazy for awhile but the answer is …. Duke Leto Atreides from the movie Dune. If I can do this properly, the Haren link is here and the best Duke Leto photo I can find is here.

  96. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 8:48 pm

    Hopefully that was the end of another above average Jeff Weaver start. Atta Boy Jeff!

  97. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 8:49 pm

    I am really hoping the Mariners don’t lose this game by one run on a Betancourt error.

  98. fishiam on July 6th, 2007 8:49 pm

    I messed up something with the Haren link. Try this?

    Dan Haren

  99. scraps on July 6th, 2007 8:50 pm

    And no matter how shitty his numbers are, why does it always seems like he gets hits when the A’s needs them?

    Probably selective memory. Kendall’s WPA on the year is -0.94. He’s costing the team runs in important situations.

  100. juneau_fan on July 6th, 2007 8:52 pm

    I thought the Phillies took Mesa out backa the shed and put him out of his misery? Or did another team dump him and they picked him up? When will the insanity end?

    I think Haren looks like one of those ’70′s Hippie Jesuses, hopefully without any miracles tonight.

  101. IdahoInvader on July 6th, 2007 8:52 pm

    We go from a marginal (at best) strike two…to another effed up scoring chance

    Nothing new at Oakland

  102. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 8:53 pm

    agressive baserunning!!!! Too bad Jose doesn’t have ankles.

  103. scraps on July 6th, 2007 8:53 pm

    Arrrrrrrrrgggggghhh.

  104. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 8:53 pm

    DUMB! It is Dan Haren, why would you put that on with Guillen and Broussard?

  105. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 8:53 pm

    I think we’re seeing Good Beltre.

  106. ndrfx on July 6th, 2007 8:54 pm

    Guillen woulda scored from first on that.

  107. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 8:54 pm

    and we mourn our fallen baserunner…

  108. scraps on July 6th, 2007 8:54 pm

    Good Beltre!

  109. thowe1 on July 6th, 2007 8:55 pm

    Wow…. I retract my earlier statement about Andruw Jones. 3 RBI’s, a dinger, AND he’s talking shit to Marcus Giles as he rounds the bases. Gotta love someone talking shit with a .204 BA and 87 SO

  110. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 8:56 pm

    Is Kennedy the soft-tossing lefty we can’t hit, or the marginal-talent lefty we kill?

  111. JIMINEDMONDS on July 6th, 2007 8:56 pm

    Can anybody on this team get a big hit with runners in scoring position? Johjima certainly doesn’t seem capable. This is getting tedious and ridiculous. We are just waiting to get beat.

  112. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 8:57 pm

    92: The Phils must be gluttons for punishment…what other reason would they have to keep getting Mesa back to blow games?!

  113. IdahoInvader on July 6th, 2007 8:57 pm

    Your hottest hitter on deck, and you send a mediocre (at BEST) baserunner with someone who isn’t the greatest contact hitter up

    Positively brilliant

  114. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 8:57 pm

    I feel a Betancourt error coming.

  115. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 8:59 pm

    Gosh, that’s 5-1/2 quality starts in a row from Weaver…

  116. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 9:00 pm

    Jeff Weaver. Putting the Grunge back in Seattle.

  117. fishiam on July 6th, 2007 9:01 pm

    O’Flaherty is perfectly set up for another vulture win. I’m all for that!

  118. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 9:01 pm

    112: Gillick remembers how he sucked in 2000, so he figured “hey, I’ve already traded away one failed closer (Floyd) burned my best starter as another, so why not Jose Mesa?”

  119. msb on July 6th, 2007 9:02 pm

    Rickey has been invited to ST with the Mets the last few years as a guest coach, much like Buhner & the Ms …

    oh, and Rickey is not interested in a One Day In Uni retirement deal, apparently.

  120. msb on July 6th, 2007 9:04 pm

    man, this game is crawling, I just got in & its still the 5th? what is taking so long, the proverbial patience of the A’s?

  121. msb on July 6th, 2007 9:05 pm

    sorry, 6th.

    and Harden? wasn’t he supposed to start tomorrow??

  122. pumpkinhead on July 6th, 2007 9:06 pm

    Weaver certainly looked pissed at the end of last inning, shaking his head.

  123. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 9:06 pm

    Says its the 7th on my Tv

  124. huhwhat on July 6th, 2007 9:07 pm

    121 – ? Harden is starting tomorrow.

  125. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 9:08 pm

    It’s Haren pitching

  126. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 9:08 pm

    Go Willie!

  127. fishiam on July 6th, 2007 9:08 pm

    Give Wille props when he earns them!

  128. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 9:08 pm

    A’s announcer: “Swisher running around out there like Roberto Clemente, coming up throwing…”

    I guess if an outfielder throws it after fielding it, it puts them in some elite company.

  129. msb on July 6th, 2007 9:09 pm

    ok. yahoo scoreboard, who claimed Harden had come in in relief of Haren, now has Willie B batting against Eric O’Flaherty. so much for catching up on the game that way.

  130. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 9:09 pm

    that was lucky.

  131. fishiam on July 6th, 2007 9:09 pm

    Um … he was out but .. WE’LL TAKE IT!

  132. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 9:10 pm

    Willie Bloomquist is in position to be tonight’s sabermetric anti-hero of the game.

  133. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 9:10 pm

    replay shows he was safe, almost exactly a tie.

  134. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 9:10 pm

    Gah, it’s obscene to compare Swisher with Clemente!

  135. fishiam on July 6th, 2007 9:11 pm

    Is there any Mariner you would rather LESS see here than Vidro? (Sexson maybe)

  136. scraps on July 6th, 2007 9:11 pm

    A’s sure sloppy today.

  137. juneau_fan on July 6th, 2007 9:12 pm

    “Tie to the runner,” by the announcer is his way of saying, “The Mariners sign my paycheck.”

    SWEET VIDRO!!

    How many times do we get to say that?

  138. fishiam on July 6th, 2007 9:12 pm

    OK, OK – I LOVE being wrong!

  139. thowe1 on July 6th, 2007 9:12 pm

    128 – I was just thinking the same thing. Swisher is Clemente? Wow, that’s a little bit of a reach, next thing you’ll hear is Vidro has a great set of wheels. Oh Yeah, they’ve been there all ready.

  140. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 9:12 pm

    Holy fucking shit.

  141. Carson on July 6th, 2007 9:12 pm

    TURBO!

  142. SCL on July 6th, 2007 9:12 pm

    (Munching sounds as #135 is eating words.)

  143. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 9:12 pm

    WTF just happened? Vidro in on that Weaver deal?

  144. thowe1 on July 6th, 2007 9:12 pm

    Boy Turbo, I am going to talk trash about you more often…

  145. DKCecil on July 6th, 2007 9:12 pm

    Jose Vidro is a fine DH, who thinks otherwise?!

  146. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 9:13 pm

    My Stockholm Syndrome like loyalty to Weaver, Vidro, and Bloomquist is really paying off tonight!

  147. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 9:13 pm

    Did Vidro actually stretch that into a double? Man, that’s a sign of the apocalypse!

  148. BKM on July 6th, 2007 9:14 pm

    Yes! Jose Vidro! Need some salt for the words, Fishiam?

  149. jefffrane on July 6th, 2007 9:14 pm

    I’ve never seen that before: Vidro hitting the ball into the outfield and driving in runs. It’s like, uh, a DH. What’s up with that?

  150. pumpkinhead on July 6th, 2007 9:14 pm

    Hmm. I guess Turbo missed the DP sign and mistook it for the hit it into the outfield sign.

  151. msb on July 6th, 2007 9:15 pm

    my, this game suddenly perked up

  152. scraps on July 6th, 2007 9:15 pm

    Vidro just bought himself another three weeks of suck.

  153. jefffrane on July 6th, 2007 9:15 pm

    It’s contagious!

  154. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 9:15 pm

    Vidro scores from second!…The next sign of the apocalypse! :)

  155. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 9:15 pm

    Vidro does that, then FSN Bay Area runs a Jack Daniels sponser ad…awesome.

  156. JR Ewing on July 6th, 2007 9:16 pm

    the vulture got it started, let’s give credit where credit is due.

  157. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 9:17 pm

    what the hell?

  158. msb on July 6th, 2007 9:17 pm

    um, what was that?

    Vidro just bought himself another three weeks of suck

    he’s a Professional Hitter, you know.

  159. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 9:18 pm

    I mean, Agressive Baserunning!!!!

  160. Carson on July 6th, 2007 9:18 pm

    Haha. What the hell was Ellison thinking? That was deep, but come on. 1st to 2nd? Oh well, it increases the chances of another JJ save.

  161. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 9:18 pm

    It feels like we are watching the M;s of last year with these base running mistakes.

  162. fishiam on July 6th, 2007 9:20 pm

    I admit I was completely surprised by Vidro’s clutch hit. For those mocking me – SCL, BKM – do you ever have the courage to express to an opinion before an event happens, or only afterwards in a neener-neerner metter? Are you both pro Vidro fans and have a history of support? (I doubt both strongly).

  163. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 9:20 pm

    “Mark Kotsay, the best” Really?

  164. fishiam on July 6th, 2007 9:22 pm

    156: And I did call the vulture win (see comment 117).

  165. Matt from Tacoma on July 6th, 2007 9:22 pm

    Damn it with the agressive baserunning! Why in the hell do you make the third out at second trying to tag on a flyball to center? That’s just stupid.

    But then Morrow lucks into a DP, and my BP comes down by 15 points.

  166. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 9:22 pm

    I have been sympathetic to Weaver, Bloomquist, and Vidro for about 2 months now.

  167. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 9:22 pm

    Wow, I wonder if that was the DP we didn’t even try to get at KC last series.

  168. scraps on July 6th, 2007 9:23 pm

    I’ll tentatively defend Ellison’s decision. The out doesn’t cost much in that situation — it decreased Seattle’s chance of winning from 89% to 87% — and I think there’s a good chance the gain in win expectancy if he succeeds is more than two percent.

  169. Matt from Tacoma on July 6th, 2007 9:23 pm

    Holy crap! Morrow didn’t walk anyone!

  170. ndrfx on July 6th, 2007 9:24 pm

    Playing video games and watching at the same time, but didn’t those runs come right after they handed out some rally fries?

  171. JR Ewing on July 6th, 2007 9:26 pm

    164. i remember, i was just too lazy to scroll back in order to properly address you. how many times did rizzs work in “walla walla” during that inning ?

  172. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 9:26 pm

    Oh F, he better be ok. Or not and we will have to call up AJ.

  173. Matt from Tacoma on July 6th, 2007 9:27 pm

    Joe Kennedy? Or the scion as the Oakland beat writers call him (one of the best nicknames in sports, IMHO). I thought he was pitching on Sunday.

  174. ndrfx on July 6th, 2007 9:27 pm

    Holy freaking Beltre!

  175. msb on July 6th, 2007 9:27 pm

    I love Joe Kennedy.

  176. Carson on July 6th, 2007 9:27 pm

    WOW! Adrian is STINGING the ball.

  177. pumpkinhead on July 6th, 2007 9:27 pm

    He’s on fire!!

  178. thowe1 on July 6th, 2007 9:27 pm

    HAHAHA —- Did you guys just hear that? Mike Piazza Bobble Head night at the Coliseum, and the announcers go “Man, they’ll be lined up outside the place for that one”

    Classic

  179. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 9:28 pm

    Good Beltre is SICK! 8 for his last 11!

  180. scraps on July 6th, 2007 9:28 pm

    BELTRE!!!!!

    What a game!

  181. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 9:29 pm

    That would be Good Beltre. Though I thought the difference between Good and Bad Beltre was the ability to be patient and not hack at crap. His offensive display tonight has been mostly launching at fastballs early in the count, hasn’t it? I’ll totally take it!

  182. 93MPHSlider.wow. on July 6th, 2007 9:29 pm

    2nd Half Beltre! Sweet!

  183. Jordan of Boise on July 6th, 2007 9:30 pm

    Way to go Beltre! Time to crack open a cold one.

  184. JJD on July 6th, 2007 9:31 pm

    Beltre’s OPS tonight: 4.000

  185. Shuchu on July 6th, 2007 9:31 pm

    This is the first time in a long time that Beltre looks like he knows what pitch is coming. He’s either guessing right, or has improved his pitch recognition. I desperatly hope for the latter.

  186. jefffrane on July 6th, 2007 9:32 pm

    Well, that was a nice catch. Too bad, but still, nice rundown.

  187. ndrfx on July 6th, 2007 9:32 pm

    Both his dingers were off breaking balls.

  188. Typical Idiot Fan on July 6th, 2007 9:35 pm

    Ladies and Gents: Good Beltre.

    AND HE’S RUNNING WILD!

  189. davepaisley on July 6th, 2007 9:36 pm

    117 & 164

    A vulture win is one where the reliever gives up the tying run(s), thereby blowing a save, and subsequently goes on to get the win as the team scores the go-ahead run(s) for him.

    Coming in as a reliever in a tie game and picking up a win is not “vulching”.

  190. jefffrane on July 6th, 2007 9:38 pm

    Oy, Scutaro. Glad you’re on the other team. Four errors?

  191. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 9:38 pm

    My name is Marco Scutaro and I am awful at 3rd base.

  192. thowe1 on July 6th, 2007 9:39 pm

    Wow, someone picked up the bad juju from Weaver, and maybe Yuni dissed his fielding issues off on Scutaro.

  193. davepaisley on July 6th, 2007 9:39 pm

    Yahoo shows 3E for Scutaro, one for Johnson (failed pick of a Scutaro throw?)

  194. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 9:40 pm

    It’s safe to say that nobody will EVER mistake Scutaro for Mike Schmidt!

  195. bhsmarine on July 6th, 2007 9:41 pm

    Welcome back Reitsma! Make us proud!

  196. davepaisley on July 6th, 2007 9:41 pm

    But they share the same initials, and their last names both start with Sc…

    Very easy to confuse.

  197. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 9:42 pm

    Nice to have Reitsma back, it helps me forget Rafael Soriano.

  198. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 9:42 pm

    One thing I wonder about Ichiro, is how much difference there is in his hitting when it appears he’s slumping (like that .255 ’04 April) and when he’s hitting .500 another month. Does he actually hit more line drives? In this series, he’s hit a few scorchers right at fielders…But does he hit more line drives than the average hitter, or is it mostly in his ability not to strike out, combined with his speed. It must be more than this, or Juan Pierre wouldn’t suck so much…

  199. 93MPHSlider.wow. on July 6th, 2007 9:42 pm

    2004-2006 Beltre post-All-Star OPS: .910! Hopefully this a sign of good things to come…

  200. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 9:43 pm

    Didn’t know that four errors in a game was an AL record. Maybe Scutaro can shoot for a new one!

  201. msb on July 6th, 2007 9:43 pm

    #189. for example, Mateo was a classic vulture.

  202. JR Ewing on July 6th, 2007 9:45 pm

    paisley . . . i didn’t know the baseball rule book had such a strict definition for being a “vulture”. i think i will disagree with your rulebook, for me a vulture comes in the game when his team does NOT have the lead, completes his work without his team having the lead, then gets the win because the team scores AFTER he pitches. but really, you can define it anyway you want. and myself and fish will do the same.

  203. Jordan of Boise on July 6th, 2007 9:45 pm

    This just in – Broussard freaking rocks.

  204. Carson on July 6th, 2007 9:46 pm

    Has there been a game in the last two weeks that they haven’t said Mark Lowe is coming back soon? We get it.

  205. msb on July 6th, 2007 9:46 pm

    Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet’s mock entry for the Calgary Olympics theme song was to be sung to the theme from Bonanza:

    friendly town, friendly town Calgary!
    friendly town, friendly town,
    friendly Calgary!

    I find myself singing this when Reitsma comes in to pitch.

  206. Carson on July 6th, 2007 9:47 pm

    202 – Agreed. Also, Weaver had 99 pitches and should have probably never stepped onto the mound to begin that inning anyway.

  207. msb on July 6th, 2007 9:47 pm

    Has there been a game in the last two weeks that they haven’t said Mark Lowe is coming back soon? We get it.

    what can I say, we are really really happy.

  208. fishiam on July 6th, 2007 9:47 pm

    189: you are speaking as if there is a formal definition of a “vulture win” and, of course there is not. The point, as I’m sure you know, is that Eric O’Flaherty has been well positioned (vultured, even) to add a “W” to his record when entering the game in a tie situation, and pitching at most an inning. He departs – M’s score runs, he gets a “W”. That’s a vulture win by MY definition, and I’m not alone.

  209. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 9:49 pm

    Sounds like a vulturistic way to get a win so I can live with that definition.

  210. JWay on July 6th, 2007 9:50 pm

    At first I thought we were watching humans playing baseball, and then I found out its actually just computer generated numbers, and now you all are suggesting vultures play baseball? When will this craziness end?

  211. davepaisley on July 6th, 2007 9:51 pm

    202

    You can think what you like, but coming into a tie game and earning a win is nowhere near as dishonorable (in fact not dishonorable at all) as giving up a lead and going on to get the win – thereby STEALING a win from the starter, which you wouldn’t have got if you didn’t suck.

    As msb points out, Mateo, the King of Suck, was also the King of Vulching.

    By your “rules”, if the M’s had taken the lead in the top of the 6th, after Weaver was done pitching, he would have vulched his own win.

  212. IdahoInvader on July 6th, 2007 9:52 pm

    They said O’Flaherty is the SECOND Mariner to start his career 5-0.

    Who was the first? Matt Young maybe?

  213. ndrfx on July 6th, 2007 9:52 pm

    LOL, Blowers.

  214. IdahoInvader on July 6th, 2007 9:54 pm

    212

    Ooops. Looked up ol’ Matt on “Baseball ref” and its definitely not him

  215. fishiam on July 6th, 2007 9:54 pm

    211: who says vultures are dishonorable? They take what is offered. I’ve witnessed their behavior on African savanas and it is completely logical. No stealing involved … just damn luck.

  216. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 9:55 pm

    Beltre’s going to hurt himself trying to hit it out again.

  217. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 9:56 pm

    Adrian!!!

  218. joser on July 6th, 2007 9:56 pm

    Beltre is on fire tonight.

  219. davepaisley on July 6th, 2007 9:57 pm

    “Vultures seldom attack healthy animals, but may kill the wounded or sick.”

    Sure sounds like Mateo to me.

  220. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 9:57 pm

    Great game Beltre!!

  221. 93MPHSlider.wow. on July 6th, 2007 9:57 pm

    The Amazing Beltre!

  222. gwangung on July 6th, 2007 9:58 pm

    211: who says vultures are dishonorable? They take what is offered.

    Aw,come on….there’s a BIG difference between a Mateo and an Eric O. Eric does his job…and there’s nothing honorable about what Mateo does.

  223. Jordan of Boise on July 6th, 2007 9:59 pm

    Haha, looks like Blowers suffers from Madden disease:

    Sims: “Beltre fouls it off his foot..”

    Blowers: “..what’s that? Did he foul it?”

  224. 93MPHSlider.wow. on July 6th, 2007 9:59 pm

    By the way, if you want to feel optimistic, look up Beltre and Sexson’s 2nd half stats the last 6 or 7 years. It just might matter this year…

  225. Carson on July 6th, 2007 9:59 pm

    219 – Why did you say that name? You might jinx him back to the big club.

    Sherrill Time!

  226. The Unknown Comic on July 6th, 2007 10:00 pm

    Despite Beltre’s great game tonight’s sabermetric anti-hero of the game is………

    JOSE VIDRO

  227. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 10:00 pm

    Why are we wasting Sherill here?

  228. ndrfx on July 6th, 2007 10:01 pm

    Now you see, if he makes contact with the baseball and it goes over the fence, that’s gonna-that’s gonna-that’s gonna-that’s gonna, that’s gonna be a home run.

  229. Carson on July 6th, 2007 10:01 pm

    Raul could have made that catch… right?

  230. fishiam on July 6th, 2007 10:02 pm

    O’Flaherty gets a vulture win tonight and I huzzah him for it. NO negative connotation. Nice catch Jason!

  231. juneau_fan on July 6th, 2007 10:02 pm

    Had a scary moment when I forgot Raul wasn’t still out there…

  232. Carson on July 6th, 2007 10:03 pm

    227 – Sherrill threw like one pitch yesterday. And that’s not too far away from an average outing for him. I say keep him fresh and use him in a situation like this.

  233. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 10:03 pm

    Raul, like yesterday, would’ve played that on the hop, lulled them into trying for a double with his crappy arm, and lobbed them down at second!

  234. joser on July 6th, 2007 10:03 pm

    Think they teach that at the Jack Cust School of Hitting?

  235. juneau_fan on July 6th, 2007 10:03 pm

    What a drama queen Cust was right there…

  236. davepaisley on July 6th, 2007 10:04 pm

    Let’s see, this is the easy way to see if Sherrill can handle a whole inning.

    Remember Geoff Baker’s comments about McLaren being willing to stretch Sherrill out, but there are arm issues to worry about.

  237. Jordan of Boise on July 6th, 2007 10:04 pm

    227- Either a) we want to wrap this freakin’ game up already or b) we want to kick them in the sack.

  238. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 10:05 pm

    235: Really — if he were in the NHL, he’d have gotten two minutes for diving on that move!

  239. ndrfx on July 6th, 2007 10:06 pm

    Yay, nice game guys, GG Weaver.

  240. Carson on July 6th, 2007 10:06 pm

    Ballgame! No, not Willie! The end of the game!

  241. _David_ on July 6th, 2007 10:06 pm

    I live in SoCal, so I’m going to miss Felix vs. Harden. Fuck Fox, and MLB for their complicity.

  242. fishiam on July 6th, 2007 10:07 pm

    It’s quite enjoyable to watch GS actually piych a whole inning – and a nice “vulture” win for O’Flaherty – first to start his M’s career 6-0.

  243. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 10:07 pm

    Great game guys!

  244. IdahoInvader on July 6th, 2007 10:07 pm

    LOL 234

    Maybe its a scared straight thing…sort of a “how NOT to” exercise?

  245. Carson on July 6th, 2007 10:07 pm

    I just realized something. Why in God’s name is ANY Saturday game not on TV? Let alone Felix vs. Harden? Do I not understand some crappy FOX rule or something?

  246. davepaisley on July 6th, 2007 10:12 pm

    Let me leave you with this definition:

    From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_(sport)

    A save is credited to a pitcher who fulfills the following three conditions:
    “2: The pitcher is not the winning pitcher, for example, there is no save if the starting pitcher throws a complete game win or if a relief pitcher gives up the lead and his team then scores a winning run while he is the pitcher of record (sometimes known as a “vulture win”);”

    Vultures are scavengers. There is no honor in scavenging. There is honor in doing your job and being in the right place at the right time. Pitchers have no control over how and when their own team scores. They do have control over how the other team scores, therefore it only makes sense to blame them for things that are within their control.

  247. Max Power on July 6th, 2007 10:14 pm

    I just realized something. Why in God’s name is ANY Saturday game not on TV? Let alone Felix vs. Harden? Do I not understand some crappy FOX rule or something?

    Fox has exclusive broadcast rights for any game played from something like 1-4 eastern time on Saturdays. It’s really a travesty. Basically has killed Saturday day games.

  248. Carson on July 6th, 2007 10:16 pm

    247 – So, what you’re saying is, Bud Selig is a no good rat bastard?

  249. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 10:18 pm

    I think Fox has a mandatory rule that all Saturday West Coast games must include one of the following teams:

    Dodgers
    Giants (but only until BB retires)
    Angels
    Yankees
    Red Sox (last two aren’t WC, but they’re the EC teams that EVERYBODY likes!)

    Actually, that’s a bit of a stretch, I know…it just seems like on MOST Saturdays, you will see either at least one of those teams or two of them playing each other.

    It sucks…that Fox bias can be SOOOO freakin’ annoying! :(

  250. juneau_fan on July 6th, 2007 10:19 pm

    Watching post game: “I guess Vidro dispelled that chirping that he’s not a good DH,” (wonder who they’re talking about?) “with his performance tonight.”

    Er? One double for two RBIs? After slapping single and into DPs all season? Thanks, Jose, now do that every game.

  251. scott19 on July 6th, 2007 10:21 pm

    247: I agree…guess I’m a little old school, but I miss those Saturday afternoon games as well.

  252. Max Power on July 6th, 2007 10:26 pm

    So, what you’re saying is, Bud Selig is a no good rat bastard?

    That may be a little harsh but MLB is definitely taking the short term cash at the expense of the long-term fanbase. The DirecTV deal was along the same lines – getting a ton of dough for an exclusivity deal that ultimately meant fewer people were watching the games. Can’t be good for developing the fan base but hard to argue with all the $$

  253. juneau_fan on July 6th, 2007 10:41 pm

    From the game recap: “Seattle’s Edgar Martinez was the last AL third baseman to make four errors in a game, on May 6, 1990.”

  254. JR Ewing on July 6th, 2007 10:52 pm

    253. blowers did it 3 days earlier (with the yankees)

  255. Axtell on July 6th, 2007 11:27 pm

    249-

    At least that’s more teams than ESPN mandates: Red Sox, Yankees, Mets.

  256. waitin_4_series on July 7th, 2007 12:10 am

    Beltre had a monster game today. 5 for 5, two doubles and two homers, with both homers directly into a very stiff breeze (making both homers very impressive). Definitely on tonight. I thought it was kind of strange to see most of the players taking batting practice against a left handed pitcher, when Haren, the starter, is right handed. I guess someone knew that Kennedy would be coming into the game. Poor Scutaro had 4 errors. (I think that one was a tough call and maybe should have been charged to Dan Johnson instead). 3B at Oakland must be tough since I can remember a 3 error game by Beltre here not too long ago. The gusty breeze didn’t help matters.

    BTW – Chaves has a copy of Dave’s open letter. It’ll be interesting to see what effect it may have tomorrow.

  257. royal curve on July 7th, 2007 12:31 am

    I love that Chaves has a copy of the letter.

  258. dnc on July 7th, 2007 12:55 am

    256 – how do you know? If true, and he’s actually read it, that’s awesome news.

  259. Typical Idiot Fan on July 7th, 2007 4:13 am

    I think that it should be left in the dark, for the moment, how Chaves has a copy of the letter. But if you want to know, the answer IS out there in the blog-o-sphere.

  260. ace12 on July 7th, 2007 6:06 am

    Well to me, Vidro just proved that he can pull his own weight, as a pinch hitter. If I recall correctly, after his double, he came up with two on and abruptly tapped a ball with “DP” wiritten all over it to Scutaro. If Scutaro hadn’t have pulled his best Matt Kata impression last night you could tack on another in the Jose Vidro dp soap opera

  261. joser on July 7th, 2007 10:06 am

    So Haren now has three losses, and two of them came at the hands of the M’s (the other one was the first, fantastic Felix Day). It’s a nice change from past years, when even schlubs could shutout the M’s if they were wearing an A’s uniform. And if Haren is going to have a team that acts like Kryptonite for him, I’m happy for it to be the Mariners.

  262. waitin_4_series on July 7th, 2007 10:13 am

    258 – Okay, if you must know, I printed a copy of the letter and handed it to Ryan Rowland-Smith while he was in the bullpen yesterday and told him to give it to Chaves. So he called Chaves over and gave it to him. I told him what was in it, and told him that he might be interested if he hadn’t seen it yet. Chaves thanked me for it as batting practice ended. BTW – I did attach an attribution to USSMariner.com so he can tell where it came from.

    Some other notes from yesterday: Ryan Rowland-Smith was working a lot on a split fingered fastball in his bullpen session. I don’t know if he’s known for that pitch yet but it’ll be interesting to see how it comes along.

    Vidro had a hit yesterday that I thought was going to go out but died at the warning track when the wind got it. There was a pretty strong breeze in from left field yesterday that really makes Beltre’s two homers to that field very impressive.

    Weaver looked like he may have hurt himself again. He was really laboring in the 5th and his velocity was way down. He came out to warm up in the 6th but was pulled before the first batter. Let’s hope that he’s okay.

    Felix v. Harden today. Can’t wait.

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