Ichiro to re-sign

Dave · July 10, 2007 at 2:34 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Rumors abound, including by the always reliable Larry Stone, that Ichiro is on the verge of re-signing with the Mariners. The number I’ve heard all along is 5/100, so when it becomes official, that’s about what I’d expect the contract to come in at.

A great first half just got even better. Huzzah for Ichiro. Huzzah for the Mariners re-signing him. Huzzah for winning.

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299 Responses to “Ichiro to re-sign”

  1. PositivePaul on July 10th, 2007 2:36 pm

    It’s a ton of money, but he’s one of the few that’s worth it. Especially to this team.

    YESS!

  2. Churchill on July 10th, 2007 2:38 pm

    One Mariners rep assured me it’s far beyond the previous team record for total salary, which is Beltre’s $64.25 mil.

  3. JI on July 10th, 2007 2:43 pm

    WOOOOOOOOO

  4. chris23 on July 10th, 2007 2:43 pm

    This is great news. Very excited to have Ichiro in the fold for a team that looks like it could really be a force over the next three to five years.

  5. Dave Clapper on July 10th, 2007 2:45 pm

    Excellent, excellent, excellent.

  6. furgig on July 10th, 2007 2:46 pm

    I think Ichiro is exactly the kind of player you make the investment in. Good work ethic, skills that shouldn’t decline as quickly as others, and draws a large fan base all on his own. Love it.

  7. Graham on July 10th, 2007 2:46 pm

    Fantastic news.

  8. rrose on July 10th, 2007 2:48 pm

    For what it’s worth, if Ichiro’s skills decline dramatically at some point, and he feels he is no longer able to produce at the level he expects of himself, I think he will retire. I just don’t see him as someone who would hang around for a paycheck (however fat). Just my two cents.

  9. MarinerMatt on July 10th, 2007 2:52 pm

    Good move by the M’s. It’s nice to finally keep a superstar in Seattle for once in the prime of his career.

    Interesting to see that the M’s wrap up Ichiro only about a week after Grover is gone. Ichiro knew Grover was an idiot the whole time. McLaren is a Lou guy and Ichiro knows that all too well.

    Case in point…the M’s were up on the A’s 6-3 the other day in the 9th inning with one out. With Guillen on first, McLaren calls for the steal on Kendal’s wimpy arm and Guillen ends up scoring on a two out base hit up the middle by Beltre. A good baseball move that gave us an extra run.

    Grover never played like that. The M’s team is a dangerous team when men are in motion. McLaren preaches hustle, bunting, hit and running, wanting to keep the game in motion at all times. It makes sense for a team that doesn’t strike out much (except Sexson) and doesn’t walk much either to always keep the game in motion. This will allow us to score runs even when our offense slumps from time to time. Kudos to McLaren for actually using our bench consistently as well.

    It is scary how good this team can be in the second half provided our starters remain somewhat consistent. As bad as Sexson has been, its time for him to get hot…

  10. Bearman on July 10th, 2007 2:52 pm

    Re 1 thru 7:I wholeheartly agree with everything said here to this point.
    Finally the FO did the right thing and got it done the #1 priority RESIGN ICHIRO.
    Now if they will go throught the Jones in LF with Ibanez/Gullien platoon in RF.
    Then find a way to aquire one more SP for the push example Harang of the Reds,McCarthy of Texas,or maybe if possible get Baltimore to part with Bedard.

  11. pumpkinhead on July 10th, 2007 2:52 pm

    That just made my entire day. Even if it’s only probable at this point, it’s great news!!!!

  12. Evan on July 10th, 2007 2:55 pm

    So, is this as good as or better than Felix learning to mix his pitches?

    Man we’re having a good week.

  13. Colm on July 10th, 2007 2:56 pm

    It is scary how good this team can be in the second half provided our starters remain somewhat consistent.

    And scary to think how bad they can be if the starters don’t. Or if they meet a succession of AAAA right-handers. Let’s hope Ichiro isn’t the only good news.

  14. Goob on July 10th, 2007 2:57 pm

    Thank you, God. Go M’s.

  15. dang on July 10th, 2007 2:57 pm

    That would be an unmitigated disaster for the Mariners.

  16. pumpkinhead on July 10th, 2007 3:01 pm

    It makes me wonder how much of the events of the last 3 weeks plays into it. Maybe not a bit, maybe quite a bit. Hargrove? 13 games over? Having a team back him up? The speculation could probably never end, but it’s just interesting to wonder about it.

  17. Chris88 on July 10th, 2007 3:01 pm

    I don’t think it was ever a question of our FO WANING to re-sign Ichiro or not, it was always a question of whether Ichiro would want to continue playing here.

  18. bergamot on July 10th, 2007 3:02 pm

    Happy! Ichiro! Day!

  19. 1996Coug on July 10th, 2007 3:03 pm

    Let’s just hope Mgt doesn’t think this is the only thing they need to do to satisfy the fans and stand pat on the deadline. They need to announce this, announce that Adam Jones is joining the team and will be starting the remainder of the season in LF, and announce that Vidro has been released.

  20. terry on July 10th, 2007 3:04 pm

    Is that 100M US or Canadian?

    This is happy prenews news.

  21. terry on July 10th, 2007 3:05 pm

    BTW, does Bavasi have a bobblehead?

  22. Colorado Mariner Fan on July 10th, 2007 3:06 pm

    Okay, so Dave…

    With Ichiro(!) now in the fold, please enlighten us with how you think that impacts AJ/Wlad? It seems likely we’re getting ready to re-tool the OF (over the next year or so), or perhaps a trade is brewing?

    Clearly AJ’s not heading to CF…is he?

  23. robbbbbb on July 10th, 2007 3:07 pm

    19: I don’t think you’re going to see a Vidro release. Besides, he’s still an OK bat off the bench. The thing that makes sense is to retain Vidro at the cost of the 12th man on the pitching staff.

    8: As much as Ichiro might like to do that, the Players’ Association just flat won’t let him. There’s too much bad blood between the players and owners for the MLBPA to lay off of an ownership group that easily.

    As for the news itself? Rock on. Ichiro’s great. Jones in left is a great upgrade. Soon, please.

    And Wladimir Balentien just became expendable. The problem is that there’s no one good available at the deadline that’s worth Wlad. I expect that he’ll be moved in the offseason to a team that needs a corner outfielder. Hopefully, we can get a good return on him.

  24. arbeck on July 10th, 2007 3:08 pm

    terry,

    100m us is almost the same as 100m Canadian now. At the rate we are going they may pass us in a year!

  25. Bucks on July 10th, 2007 3:08 pm

    ESPN just announced on SportsCenter as BReaking news that were on the verge of a signature

  26. gwangung on July 10th, 2007 3:09 pm

    Is that 100M US or Canadian?

    Um, have you looked at the exchange rate? Not much difference there…

  27. MarinerMatt on July 10th, 2007 3:09 pm

    I agree with #19. Time to release Vidro. How many more double plays can we put with? Can anyone name another full time DH with 300+ at bats with only 26 RBI?

    Horrible. Softest .286 in baseball.

  28. revbill on July 10th, 2007 3:10 pm

    Huzzah indeed! And strange as it sounds, I think around 20m/yr. is probably a bargain compared to what he would have gotten on the open market.

  29. scraps on July 10th, 2007 3:10 pm

    I suppose all the folks who were certain that Ichiro was going to walk are now going to say that he would have if Hargrove hadn’t quit. Since mind reading can’t be wrong.

  30. Beniitec on July 10th, 2007 3:11 pm

    Um… does he pay Income Taxes on that? I’m just curious. He’s not a US Citizen… how does that work?

  31. natebracy on July 10th, 2007 3:12 pm

    Re 22 – I didn’t think about that. One of the pieces of the Adam Jones Conundrum was that he was the back up for if Ichiro left. Assuming the reports of re-signing him aren’t premature, how could this affect his status? Would we still be better off calling him up?

  32. Evan on July 10th, 2007 3:13 pm

    As a .280-.290 hitter, Vidro wouldn’t be a bad guy to keep around on the bench. He’s a better hitter than Willie (though Willie has an adequate glove).

  33. Chris88 on July 10th, 2007 3:15 pm

    #27, Releasing Vidro is a waste of money. He may not be useful as an everyday player, but he’d make a pretty good bat off of the bench. We might as well get something for what we are paying.

    #22, 31 – Now that we have Ichiro locked into CF for a number of years, that just makes Jones an outstanding defensive LFer rather than a good defensive CFer. Where is the problem?

  34. The Ancient Mariner on July 10th, 2007 3:15 pm

    Well, this will push Geoff Baker down to #3 — but somehow, I don’t think he’ll complain about that. :)

  35. TheEmrys on July 10th, 2007 3:15 pm

    $20m isn’t a bargain, its what he would have commanded. Its a fair number.

  36. Mariner Fan in CO Exile on July 10th, 2007 3:16 pm

    F’ing great news, if it happens.

    I find that team marketing reasons and the best interests of the organization (winning-wise) don’t often come to the same conclusion in evaluating players. Organizations hold on to beloved veterans too long in many cases, or sign big free agents with warning signs of being busts (or overvalued) far too often. They want to win, but they realize selling tickets and getting butts in the seats has a lot to do with keeping guys that fans love and making moves that give the appearance of trying to improve the team. Usually these moves are the best the organization can do at the time, but they often fall flat, when the objective indicators say they should have let the old guy go or pass on the free agent big name.

    Here, the Mariners realize that letting Ichiro walk is a HUGE mistake. He’s a reason fans around the globe watch the team play, and he has single-handedly given people a reason to tune in on non-Felix starts for several years now. But that’s not all. He’s a genuine talent, a superstar with a rare skillset and one of the most durable bodies in the game. Here the marketability of the player coincides well with the likely output in terms of value to the team. Will he be great all 5 years? I don’t put it past him, but even if not, he’s been underpaid for years, and we’ll likely look back on this contract and say, “Mheh, it’s a lot of money, but look at what this guy has done for us.”

    Ichiro is the position player we should build around for the next 5 years, just as Felix is the pitcher we should build our staff around for the next decade. I am very pleased.

  37. Evan on July 10th, 2007 3:17 pm

    It is a fair number, but I can’t help but think he might have done even better on the open market.

  38. sunburn_33 on July 10th, 2007 3:19 pm

    What a relief!

    With the way this guy takes care of himself, I think it is safe to say that Ichiro is going to stay productive and durable up to the 2013 baseball season. And talent aside, you need to someone like Ichiro around to set an example for AJ and all our future Tacoma callups (but uh… this is assuming they actually promote AJ sometime between now and 2013).

    I’m always critical of huge contracts, but this one sounds like smart money.

  39. 1996Coug on July 10th, 2007 3:21 pm

    Seattle: a sleeper to pick up A-Rod? You’ve got to be f’in kidding me. We hate that SOB. Good riddance…

    http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/mlb#

  40. agingfan on July 10th, 2007 3:23 pm

    Hip hip hooray! What a relief.

  41. 1996Coug on July 10th, 2007 3:23 pm

    #38 – Maybe the contract comes with an option to manage for three years after the contract expires. Ichiro!!!

  42. arbeck on July 10th, 2007 3:23 pm

    Japan and the US have reciprocal tax agreements. He pays income tax here, but gets his Japanese tax reduced by that amount. He may owe more in Japan or get a refund.

    At least that’s how I assume that it works, it works that way with most other jobs.

  43. mln on July 10th, 2007 3:28 pm

    Huzzah for Jason Ellison!

    Surely Ellison coming to the defense of Ichiro in that Joe Blanton basebrawl must have been the deciding factor for Ichiro to resign with the Mariners.

    Port Orchard grit comes through again in the clutch!

  44. Tim-in Tampa on July 10th, 2007 3:29 pm

    Well let’s see here, NYY are finished for the season, let’s see if we can buy Clemens for the rest of the year….

  45. Logger on July 10th, 2007 3:30 pm

    Why? So he can sit on his fat ass when the M’s go on a road trip?

  46. drw on July 10th, 2007 3:30 pm

    Hargrove resigns.
    Ichiro re-signs.

    Correlation is not causation (to paraphrase someone).

    But if B follows A, then (to paraphrase one of Bill James’ articles) either A and B are not related, or they are related in ways that we don’t understand.

    I subscribe to the latter at this point in time.

  47. dw on July 10th, 2007 3:32 pm

    It is a fair number, but I can’t help but think he might have done even better on the open market.

    You really think the Dodgers would have paid $20M/year? I find that hard to believe.

    Right now there’s only one player who will get $20M+ come free agency: Johan Santana. His new deal will be a monster.

  48. shortbus on July 10th, 2007 3:33 pm

    I don’t hate A-Rod so much I wouldn’t welcome him and his 30 HR(!!) back to Safeco.

  49. robbbbbb on July 10th, 2007 3:34 pm

    Ichiro may or may not have gotten more on the open market, but committing to this deal in midseason gets him two things: Security and Certainty.

    He doesn’t have to live with the uncertainty of a move next year, nor have to be continuously bothered by the media on the subject.

    He also gets the security of being under contract. That means if (God forbid) he’s injured before the end of the year, he’s still drawing a salary.

    So yeah, he might have settled for a little less than market value. He got a couple of valuable things back in the deal.

  50. Carson on July 10th, 2007 3:35 pm

    So, now that we’ve had time for the Ken Griffey, Jr lovefest to end, does Ichiro signing this deal midseason make him one of the (if not the) greatest Mariners ever, all things considered? (We’ll have to assume his production stays somewhat close for the next 5 years, I guess)

    Randy, A-Rod, and Junior all ditched us in one way or another. Ichiro at least gave us a shot, and is showing that he is committed to us as long as we are committed to him. Gotta respect that.

  51. Chris Miller on July 10th, 2007 3:39 pm

    I think Ichiro! would need to do a heck of a lot to be a greater Mariner than Edgar or Griffey.

  52. gwangung on July 10th, 2007 3:41 pm

    I think Ichiro! would need to do a heck of a lot to be a greater Mariner than Edgar or Griffey.

    Looks like he’s going to get the chance…

  53. Sammy on July 10th, 2007 3:41 pm

    50. If Ichiro can get us to the WS, let alone win it, I think Ichiro wins. Anything less than that and it’s debatable.

  54. Mr. Egaas on July 10th, 2007 3:41 pm

    How many yen is that?

  55. Sammy on July 10th, 2007 3:42 pm

    54.
    ¥12,136,831,662.75

  56. Logger on July 10th, 2007 3:44 pm

    Only 2.5 billion yen/year

  57. party4marty on July 10th, 2007 3:45 pm

    Does this mean adam jones could now be expendable for a real pitcher? one that stays for more than 8 weeks. Can Wlad take left in the scenario? or is Adam still the guy?

  58. Carson on July 10th, 2007 3:46 pm

    51 – Like I said – ONE of the greatest. I added “the” in parenthesis just to spark debate. I don’t think he’d ever be able to top Edgar, but Griffey I think is topable. Simply because Junior bailed on us. Perhaps you can’t argue with his reasoning, but he bailed on us nonetheless.

  59. Phoenician Todd on July 10th, 2007 3:47 pm

    I can’t see any deal coming up for a pitcher that would offset the benefit we would get immediately from having AJ up in left field. And let’s not forget we have him under team control and is making the minimum for at least a few more years.

  60. 1996Coug on July 10th, 2007 3:48 pm

    Great quote from Jerry Narron on the treatment A-rod got in Seattle.

    “The worst I ever saw a player treated was A-Rod in Seattle,” said Narron. “Every home run he hit in batting practice, they threw the ball back. Every foul ball he hit, they threw the ball back.”

    Ahh, I’m getting weepy just thinking about it…good times.

  61. _David_ on July 10th, 2007 3:48 pm

    Does anyone know how much/when speedy, good defensive outfielders tend to decline defensively with age?

  62. Chris Miller on July 10th, 2007 3:49 pm

    Lets just hope this means they view Jones as LF of the future and not trade bait.

  63. rsrobinson on July 10th, 2007 3:50 pm

    Awesome news! I’m so tired of watching stars bolt town.

    And I think Ichiro will be a highly productive player for the next five years. The guy is in phenomenal condition and is obsessed with keeping his muscles stretched and limber which should prolong his career and help keep him injury-free. And even if he loses half-a-step in a few years he’d still get to first faster than 95% of the players in the league.

  64. 1996Coug on July 10th, 2007 3:51 pm

    #61- even if his speed declines, think of him as a faster and better hitter than Turbo Vidro in three years. I can’t imagine he’ll decline as much as to warrant anything less than a drop in the batting order. He’ll still be slapping singles and doubles…

  65. Chris Miller on July 10th, 2007 3:53 pm

    The more I think about it the more an OF of Jones, Ichiro, and Wlad makes sense. Save Guillens and Weavers cash (minus the difference in Ichiro’s contract) for more starting pitching.

  66. Evan on July 10th, 2007 3:54 pm

    Ichiro’s stretching regimen should be mandatory for all young players. Griffey would have hit 800 homeruns by now if he’d stretched like Ichiro.

  67. _David_ on July 10th, 2007 3:54 pm

    64: Please never compare those two players ever gain. Ichiro might be a better hitter than current Turbo when he’s sixty. This tells me nothing.

  68. gwangung on July 10th, 2007 3:55 pm

    The more I think about it the more an OF of Jones, Ichiro, and Wlad makes sense. Save Guillens and Weavers cash (minus the difference in Ichiro’s contract) for more starting pitching.

    Well, me, too, but the risk aversness of the front office probably means either Jones OR Wlad, but not both. I’d guess that Guillen’s option will be picked up and one of the young outielders gets traded.

  69. Steve Nelson on July 10th, 2007 3:59 pm

    #23: 8: As much as Ichiro might like to do that, the Players’ Association just flat won’t let him. There’s too much bad blood between the players and owners for the MLBPA to lay off of an ownership group that easily.

    If Ichiro wants to retire and walk away from his contract, he can do so and the MLBPA can’t stop him. If he voluntarily leaves the team, he goes onto a suspended or retired list and doesn’t get paid. It’s not without precedent, the most recent case being Sasaki.

  70. party4marty on July 10th, 2007 4:01 pm

    #65. Guillen + weaver(8.325 + 5.5)= +13.825 minus the difference of ichiros contract (20-11=9) gives us 4.825 mil of space in your scenario. Maybe we can get Horacia back for that. (Horacio misspelled on purpose). hopefully we are upping the payroll!

  71. David J. Corcoran I on July 10th, 2007 4:01 pm

    ICHIRO!!!! WOOOT! My awful day just became good!

  72. Phoenician Todd on July 10th, 2007 4:03 pm

    #61 – I can’t point you to specifics, but the more well read members of this community have stated on multiple occasions that players with his type of skillset age much better than your traditional slugger.

  73. carcinogen on July 10th, 2007 4:04 pm

    Over under on how many sports “pundits” in this town throw him under the bus in the coming days?

    We’ll hear the same shit we always do. He’s not a 20m ballplayer because he’s a) not a “team” guy; b) not a leader; c) doesn’t walk enough; d) doesn’t try to steal every time he gets on base; e) pick another random criticism.

    In advance of all of that inane second-guessing, I want to say congrats to the Ms! Way to grow a pair!

  74. smb on July 10th, 2007 4:05 pm

    I just got a great e-mail from a friend who is a Yankee fan…he’s clearly disressed…as follows, the text…

    “I have my huge contract so infielder beware! I been working on new screwball hit which confuse infielders. Nobody know where it go. Pitcher very frustrate! I get much infield hits. Opposing team at mercy,” said Ichiro Suzuki after agreeing to new contract.

  75. patnmic on July 10th, 2007 4:05 pm

    What contributed most to the Ichiro! signing? Choices below:

    A. Winning season.
    B. Seattle is where his US home is and was going to remain his US home.
    C. Grover’s exit.
    D. The reception Griffey recieved on his home coming.
    E. Ellison/team having his back.
    F. A big fair market guaranteed contract.

  76. J from Issy on July 10th, 2007 4:08 pm

    A, B and F. F having the greatest impact.

  77. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 4:09 pm

    Well okay. I still think Ichiro is the most overrated player in baseball (and the poster boy for the silliness that is batting average), but I guess having him has some advantages. Spectacular defense in centerfield. A pretty good on base percentage on top of the order (I know this year it’s spectacular, but career is still only .379. Good, but far from amazing). Efficient base stealing. There might be other positives I’m forgetting.

  78. Sammy on July 10th, 2007 4:10 pm

    Question for Dave:

    Is there any scenario in which Minnesota would give up one of Blackburn, Slowey, or Garza for a package featuring Wlad? How about for Adam Jones? I know top-level prospect for top-level prospect trades pretty much never happen, but each team could fill the other team’s needs so nicely that I felt this should be brought up.

  79. Logger on July 10th, 2007 4:10 pm

    DAMellen, you are wrong.

  80. carcinogen on July 10th, 2007 4:13 pm

    77: see here .

  81. scraps on July 10th, 2007 4:13 pm

    Ichiro not actually talk like Japanese cartoon character.

  82. patnmic on July 10th, 2007 4:16 pm

    77 if you don’t get Ichiro! and his value to the Mariners, I’m not sure why you come to this blog? There would have been 5 or 6 teams willing to give Ichiro! this contract plus probably a lot more.

  83. robbbbbb on July 10th, 2007 4:19 pm

    69: That doesn’t mean that the MLBPA won’t apply pressure. There have been quite a few guys (remember Albert Belle?) who spent the back half of their contracts on the DL.

    As to those wondering how well Ichiro will age? We can speculate, but no one has any hard numbers. Ichiro’s kind of a class unto himself. When you look at his comparables, they’re (a) not very similar and (b) a lot of dead-ball era slap hitters.

    It’s not like looking at lead-footed, fat, slugging first basemen (cough, Mo Vaughn) and saying, “Your body style/skillset doesn’t age well.”

  84. J from Issy on July 10th, 2007 4:20 pm

    #82

    He has an opinion and should not be ridiculed because of it. All you do is voice an opinion be it right or wrong. Diversity of opinion is actually good for argument. This would be a very boring blog if everyone just simply rolled over and agreed.

    And about the contract amount, we will never know.

  85. Carson on July 10th, 2007 4:26 pm

    A co-worker just IMed to me:

    “good thing the mariners just tied up all htier $$$ in Ichiro”

    My thought is that Ichiro generates plenty of revenue from merchandise, marketing, gate, TV revenue, etc to help recover money from this size of deal.

    Another point that they made was that he’ll make more than Pujols, Beltran, and Soriano. Without getting into details of if those guys “better players” (at least one is, surely), would any of you agree that Ichiro is far more marketable? Especially considering his mega superstar status in Japan?

    Any thoughts on if the return on investment is greater for the Mariners than the Cardinals, Mets, and/or Cubs? Two of those markets are in the top 3 in the nation.

  86. Chris Miller on July 10th, 2007 4:27 pm

    Ah, I had initially heard 16-17 mil, which sounded like a steal, and I was thinking 8-9 mil available. Sorry about that.

  87. party4marty on July 10th, 2007 4:30 pm

    I am still a little worried about where this leaves the “salary cap”. In addition to the Weaver+ Guillen contract relief the Ms can also shed about 8m in contracts of reitsma, horacio, mateo, rhodes. That puts us in line for next years FA version of Miguel Batista(this years version of jarrod washburn). hopefully we dont get next years horacio and weeeve too.

  88. zzyzx on July 10th, 2007 4:36 pm

    I-Chi-Ro!
    I-Chi-Ro!
    I-Chi-Ro!
    I-Chi-Ro!
    I-Chi-Ro!
    I-Chi-Ro!
    I-Chi-Ro!
    I-Chi-Ro!

    Wow, this first half really did go better than anyone could have expected.

  89. carcinogen on July 10th, 2007 4:37 pm

    I suppose one negative, out of an otherwise positive day, is that ticket/concession prices will likely go up. However, they were probably going to go up no matter what if the Ms had a winning season.

  90. Sammy on July 10th, 2007 4:37 pm

    Re: what this does to our budget,

    We really have no idea. Besides not knowing exactly how much money is being agreed upon, we have no clue how the deal is structured. It very well could be back-loaded so we have room to add pieces next year while waiting for Vidro’s and Sexson’s contracts to come off the books.

  91. Mike Honcho on July 10th, 2007 4:41 pm

    The day gets better. Churchill is reporting that Adam Jones will be called up before Thursday’s game.

    The only problem? He’s going to RF, with Guillen sliding to LF. Huh?

  92. Logger on July 10th, 2007 4:44 pm

    Who’s Churchill and where did you read this?

  93. kentroyals5 on July 10th, 2007 4:44 pm

    prospectinsider.com FREE ADAM JONES

  94. carcinogen on July 10th, 2007 4:48 pm

    91: link please…

  95. carcinogen on July 10th, 2007 4:48 pm

    Never mind…thanks 93

  96. kentroyals5 on July 10th, 2007 4:49 pm

    top right of the page

  97. Ralph Malph on July 10th, 2007 4:50 pm

    I think Ichiro! would need to do a heck of a lot to be a greater Mariner than Edgar or Griffey.

    This is just a silly statement. Which is a greater taste treat, ice cream or beer?

    Both, please. All three, please.

  98. Mike Honcho on July 10th, 2007 4:51 pm

    http://www.prospectinsider.com

    Look at the RH column.

    Great day!

  99. Ralph Malph on July 10th, 2007 4:51 pm

    The only problem? He’s going to RF, with Guillen sliding to LF. Huh?

    Jones has been playing RF all year, I believe. Maybe they feel like he’ll be more comfortable over there, as a rookie. He certainly has the arm for RF.

    Whatever.

  100. Matt from Tacoma on July 10th, 2007 4:52 pm

    Ticket and concession prices have nothing to do with the contracts doled out to players. Ticket and concession prices are based entirely on what fans will pay for these items. If concession prices followed contracts, I’d be able to get a beer for a quarter at a Rainiers game.

    All that said, I saw a lot of talk over the off-season about the extra revenue related to mlb.com and other new marketing stuff. I won’t be terribly surprised to see avg salaries go up quickly like they did in the late ’90s / early ’00s. I think this might be the opening salvo in a crazy off-season where A-Rod sets the market high-high-high.

  101. Sammy on July 10th, 2007 4:53 pm

    99.

    Adam Jones has played CF most of the year. He just recently got a few starts in RF, probably to prep him for the jump. It still doesn’t make sense, though, not when you compare Jones’ legs to Guillen’s

  102. Mike Honcho on July 10th, 2007 4:54 pm

    His arm is outstanding, but the team would be more well served with AJ’s legs in LF, rather than his arm in RF.

    Guillen doesn’t run much better than Ibanez, so I don’t know how much of a defensive upgrade this really is.

  103. Thievery on July 10th, 2007 4:56 pm

    Ichiro extension and now Jones up to start in one of the corner OF positions? After going to just one game in the first half, the M’s are going to have at least one more regular attendee in the second. BRAVO!!!

  104. Matt from Tacoma on July 10th, 2007 4:56 pm

    Jones has been mostly playing CF in T-town, with an occassional RF tossed in.

  105. Sammy on July 10th, 2007 4:57 pm

    100.

    Interesting. I hadn’t made the connection between inflated salaries and all the extra revenue baseball has been bringing in. How does that get distributed to owners? $650 million from XM = how many dollars for nintendo?

  106. kentroyals5 on July 10th, 2007 4:58 pm

    It makes sense to have him play RF recently if they figured they were going to call him up. We should have all took notice of that at the time…HOOORAY…today rocks!

  107. Mike Honcho on July 10th, 2007 5:00 pm

    It’s still a mistake. He should be in left.

  108. kentroyals5 on July 10th, 2007 5:04 pm

    107-Agreed…maybe they’ll figure it out sooner than later

  109. LoydKristmis on July 10th, 2007 5:04 pm

    Possible explanation for AJ going to RF instead of LF:

    Maybe they are planning on DH’ing Guillen sometimes instead of Ibanez — since Raul has made it clear he wants to play the field.

  110. kentroyals5 on July 10th, 2007 5:05 pm

    107-unless….this may signal Jose Guillen maybe be out the door soon? I dunno

  111. Mike Honcho on July 10th, 2007 5:08 pm

    110 – I sure hope not. That would mean Vidro back in the lineup or Wlad called up. I’m not sure either is a good idea – especially the first option.

    109 – That very well could be, but I’d still argue that AJ should be in LF regardless.

    Oh well, still a very incredible day to be an M’s fan!

  112. Logger on July 10th, 2007 5:09 pm

    Yes, Guillen should be playing – .283, 10 HR, 52 RBIs

  113. Bender on July 10th, 2007 5:10 pm

    I didn’t think anything could cheer me up after getting hit by a bus today, but this did!

    Thank you!

  114. geofftoons on July 10th, 2007 5:16 pm

    WooHooooooo!!!! Ichiro! extension, Adam Jones coming to the show on Thurday!…. and were going to the game on Friday!…. Life is good.

  115. Logger on July 10th, 2007 5:16 pm

    113 – I was on that bus!

  116. Sammy on July 10th, 2007 5:18 pm

    113/115

    Now that’s just weird. Who was at fault?

  117. kentroyals5 on July 10th, 2007 5:19 pm

    LMAO!!! omg, that is hilarious

  118. Logger on July 10th, 2007 5:20 pm

    I was joking – sorry folks!

  119. terry on July 10th, 2007 5:21 pm

    #26: that’s the funny part of the joke…. ;-)

  120. Joe Bag o' Doughnuts on July 10th, 2007 5:23 pm

    Too bad we didn’t still have Opening Day Starter/All-Star Gil Meche on our roster.

  121. Logger on July 10th, 2007 5:25 pm

    Yes, but not for $55M

  122. Bender on July 10th, 2007 5:27 pm

    The bus driver was at fault. I was nearly killed but am uninjured now.

    Go Ichiro!

  123. msb on July 10th, 2007 5:28 pm

    not to mention All Star Carlos Guillen, and All Star Brian Fuentes ….

  124. _David_ on July 10th, 2007 5:30 pm

    Allow me to flip out about speculation: Is it possible that the Mariners think the difficulty of LF would be too much to handle for a rookie right away, and that it would be better to have a veteran there? Do they look at his arm and blindly see a RF? Jose Guillen’s only defensive asset is that sometimes the opposing team won’t send the runner home because of his arm. I’m having trouble understanding this.

  125. _David_ on July 10th, 2007 5:32 pm

    123: I forget when Fuentes left our organization (wasn’t it the cirillo trade), but our bullpen was fine when we were good, didn’t matter when we sucked, and now our bullpen is fine and Fuentes couldn’t help us much more.

  126. kentroyals5 on July 10th, 2007 5:34 pm

    122- uninjured ‘now’? were you milking it at the time?

  127. msb on July 10th, 2007 5:35 pm

    so how do you estimate what the offers they made to Jr and Alex (8/$138M and 8/$117.5M) back in ’99 be in today’s money (and baseball money)?

  128. huhwhat on July 10th, 2007 5:40 pm

    121 – I would have gladly given Meche $55 million over 5 years if that meant the M’s wouldn’t have had signed Weaver and trade for HoRam or even Batista.

  129. planB on July 10th, 2007 5:41 pm

    Wow, I thought he wasn’t going to sign mid-season. That’s fantastic!

  130. Logger on July 10th, 2007 5:42 pm

    In hindsight, of course. Meche wasn’t supposed to be this good and Weaver and HoRam weren’t supposed to be this awful.

  131. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 5:45 pm

    No game thread for the ASG?

    Loved seeing Mayes yelling at his catcher–Reyes?–to back up for the ceremonial first pitch.

    And Bonds may be a cheatin’ SOB, but he loves his godfather.

  132. robbbbbb on July 10th, 2007 5:46 pm

    Watching the All-Star intro.

    If Willie Mays isn’t the greatest player in the history of the game, then Babe Ruth is. Willie is certainly the best player still living.

  133. zzyzx on July 10th, 2007 5:47 pm

    There is going to be a game played at some point, right?

  134. katal on July 10th, 2007 5:48 pm

    I won’t be truly excited until it’s confirmed – I have too many memories of the Mariners having “signed” Ivan Rodriguez and Miguel Tejada.

    Still, this is awesome news.

  135. David J. Corcoran I on July 10th, 2007 5:49 pm

    I love the all-starrr game

  136. Bender on July 10th, 2007 5:50 pm

    126 – through some miraculous luck and balance I wasn’t thrown under the us, but was hit rather hard. I didn’t think I was hurt at the time, just scared silly.

  137. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 5:50 pm

    79: Good argument. Allow me to respond: No you’re wrong. Yes! I won that one.

    80: I’ve seen all that. I don’t care. Ichiro plays for his batting average and nothing else. I think a player who only cares about his numbers is pretty lame, but if he would at least play for his on base or his slugging, I would feel like he was contributing something useful.

    82: Because I’m a huge Mariner fan who knows a lot about the team and loves to discuss them. What does Ichiro have to do with any of that? I don’t think he’s an especially good player. Do you think only people with your opinion should be allowed on this page? I suppose that’s an option, but it seems like it would lead to pretty boring discussions. Also, would other people have given him this contract? Hell yes! Barry Zito got a shit load of money too and several options of places to go too. How did that end up working out for San Fran? I don’t remember.

    Anyways, Ichiro is a reasonably good hitter that people go crazy for because he has a high batting average. Why does everybody agree that batting average isn’t a very good way to determine a player’s ability unless they’re talking about Ichiro? Why is Ichiro the one magical player who contributes a high average and is a star because of it? He doesn’t walk. He doesn’t hit for power. OPS is a much more important stat than average. His OPS is 36th in baseball which is his first time ever cracking the top 40. Of course, the year isn’t over yet. I’m betting he doesn’t stay in that top 40 much longer.

    That’s Ichiro. Most years, he’s one of the fifty or sixty best hitters in baseball. He also plays spectacular defense and his base running is very good (although he almost never tries to steal in important situations), which definitely raises his value, but does it raise him from fiftieth to top five or even top ten? I don’t think so, but we’re giving him that kind of money. Plus, this contract carries him until he’s 39. Does anybody think his defense or base stealing ability could drop at all between now and 39? I bet it does. And how bout those infield hits? Think he might get a few less? I think he will.

    All I can say is if I see him square to bunt with the winning run on second base again, I will go completely fucking nuts. If he wants to be our star (which he is until we find somebody new or Felix hits his stride), he needs to take more responsibility for this team.

  138. huhwhat on July 10th, 2007 5:52 pm

    130 – I don’t know if that can be totally true, Meche had a pretty good streak last year where he was pretty good, it is true he’s been way more consistent. Correct me if my memory fails me, but didn’t Meche have like a 3.7 or 3.8 era going past the All-Star break last year. In any case your right though, it’s easy to acknowledge things in hindsight.

  139. gwangung on July 10th, 2007 5:55 pm

    80: I’ve seen all that. I don’t care.

    I.e., my mind is made up, so don’t confuse me with facts. Wonderful rhetorical style for USS Mariner…

    Mind you, you could be right. But you’re not convincing ME with your arguments.

  140. planB on July 10th, 2007 5:58 pm

    Ichiro leads off the ASG with a single.

  141. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 5:59 pm

    Base hit for ICHIRO!

    And Brucie’s hanging up the ump’s mask after this year? Say it ain’t so!

  142. fishiam on July 10th, 2007 5:59 pm

    And as I’m reading 137′s retro logic, Ichiro leads off the ASG with a hit. Oh no, he’s got a high batting average now – how can we love him for that?

  143. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 6:00 pm

    Is Ichiro going to steal here?

  144. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 6:01 pm

    Well, not just Vidro’s knocking Ichiro into DPs. Shouldna stole, buddy!

  145. fishiam on July 10th, 2007 6:01 pm

    Hey, what’s Vidro doing batting in the ASG?

  146. F-Rod on July 10th, 2007 6:06 pm

    To call Ichiro the 50th best hitter in the league is absurd. OPS is not the only stat in the game and it is less relevant for a lead-off hitter than it is for any other position in the order. When you add all of his steals to his Ops (OPSB?) it moves significantly higher.

    His defense, particularly in Seattle will always be very important as well. He is easily a top ten player in regards to durability and fitness, which will make prevent age from eroding his skills. Put it all together, plus the fact that most of Seattle’s stars have left and he is extremely marketable (mitigating the effect of 20 million on the budget closer to 14 million?). This is a great day for Seattle and the Mariners.

  147. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 6:07 pm

    139, I’m okay with that. I just like putting my thoughts out there and seeing what people say.

    142, my retro logic? The fact that I think OPS is more meaningul than batting average is retro? If you say so…

  148. Sammy on July 10th, 2007 6:08 pm

    137.
    You don’t care about park factors?

    And I do expect Ichiro, with his conditioning and discipline, to remain a top-quality CF up through the end of his contract. Maybe not as fantastic as he is today, but he’s not going to hurt us in the field over the next few years.

  149. Jeff Nye on July 10th, 2007 6:10 pm

    Ugh.

    Ichiro! rocks; exactly WHY he rocks has been broken down so many times on this site that I cannot fathom how anyone who reads the site could still post things like “Ichiro isn’t a team leader”, “Ichiro only cares about his own goals”, “Ichiro doesn’t hit for enough power to merit a big contract”.

    Other than to simply be contrary.

  150. KW on July 10th, 2007 6:12 pm

    Mr Clutch gidps.

  151. planB on July 10th, 2007 6:13 pm

    Dave wrote a pretty cool article on Ichiro the Underrated.

  152. schmicky on July 10th, 2007 6:14 pm

    Yay for the M’s and for Ichiro

    read the book Ichiro on ichiro and you have a better Idea of him besides waht you see on the field.

  153. huhwhat on July 10th, 2007 6:16 pm

    DAMellen, question, what exactly is your definition of a good hitter? Cause I want to know where you come up with this Ichiro is a top 40 top 50 hitter. Do you take into account at all run creation factor or his defensive ability? Just curious cause I hope it’s not just OPS.

  154. planB on July 10th, 2007 6:16 pm

    “…a diving Jeter couldn’t get to it…” in the ASG.

  155. gwangung on July 10th, 2007 6:21 pm

    Hrm.

    I would argue that fans talking about leadership are talking from the outside; it’s hard to analyze that from our perspective. But generally, if you perform, you generally take a leadership position, unless it’s supressed by higher ups.

    Also, generally, I see individual goals tend to line up pretty much up and down the line with team goals in baseball (unlike, say, football or basketball). You get a hit, you help the team. You steal a base, you help the team. I think it’s much harder to be selfish and hurt the team in baseball than it is in other sports.

  156. gwangung on July 10th, 2007 6:21 pm

    Hrm.

    I would argue that fans talking about leadership are talking from the outside; it’s hard to analyze that from our perspective. But generally, if you perform, you generally take a leadership position, unless it’s supressed by higher ups.

    Also, generally, I see individual goals tend to line up pretty much up and down the line with team goals in baseball (unlike, say, football or basketball). You get a hit, you help the team. You steal a base, you help the team. I think it’s much harder to be selfish and hurt the team in baseball than it is in other sports.

  157. Jeff Nye on July 10th, 2007 6:26 pm

    Without getting TOO much into a potentially touchy subject, but sort of reiterating something discussed in the Ichiro the Underrated article:

    The media (and thus, the fans whose opinion is determined by the media), when they say that Ichiro isn’t a leader, mean that he isn’t a leader in the Western sense, i.e. the guy who gives emotional rah-rah speeches in the clubhouse and gives beatwriters quick and easy soundbites about “giving 110 percent” and “just being glad to help the team”.

    Willie Bloomquist embodies all of the “leadership qualities” people insist that Ichiro should have; I would much rather give Ichiro 20 million a year than Princess Willie.

  158. Paul B on July 10th, 2007 6:28 pm

    Why is Ichiro the one magical player who contributes a high average and is a star because of it? He doesn’t walk. He doesn’t hit for power. OPS is a much more important stat than average. His OPS is 36th in baseball which is his first time ever cracking the top 40. Of course, the year isn’t over yet. I’m betting he doesn’t stay in that top 40 much longer.

    Let’s take a breath, and think about this in realistic terms.

    OK, actually, among full time players, he’s 15th. Not 36th or 40th.

    His OPS+ is 137 this year, and has been no lower than 109 in his ML career. Consistently good.

    Among ML centerfielders who have enough appearances to qualify, he’s 3rd in OPS. While playing half his games in Safeco.

    If you are going to use numbers to argue a position, take a look at the whole picture.

  159. Paul B on July 10th, 2007 6:31 pm

    OK, I feel dumb. I had the AL set, and thought it was ALL.

    He is 36th overall in OPS, but is 4th overall among centerfielders.

    And I think he’s the kind of player who ages well. Even if he loses a step, I think he is capable of changing his style of play to make up for it.

  160. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 6:35 pm

    139
    I read the whole thing. I thought about it. I disagreed with a lot of what was said. It’s not like I just plugged my ears and denied obvious facts. Many of the things in that article are not “facts.” There are lots of opinions and theories in there. I disagreed with many of them.

    146
    Okay. And I’d rather get a guy who bats in the middle of the order than the top. I think they’re more important. And of course his defense is great. I said that. I never questioned his defense. I do think the idea of an OPSB is good. Would you subtract CSs from on base percentage? If you did that, Ichiro would probably be even better when compared to other lead off men. He’d still be way behind a lot of middle of the order guys.

    146 and 148
    Maybe. No way to really know for sure when it’ll happen to Ichiro. Honestly, I hope that someday he’s the fastest grandpa in the world, but everybody slows down sooner or later and since speed is all Ichiro has to offer, assuming his will last forever is a pretty big gamble.

    149
    I don’t really think he’s not enough of a team leader. I think leaders are kind of overrated. However, when he has an opportunity to drive in runs and he bunts, it drives me crazy. I think that’s a very wussy way to do things. I don’t care if he never speaks to anybody in the dug out. I want him to swing in pressure situations instead of handing those at bats to Jose Lopez.

  161. RussM on July 10th, 2007 6:36 pm

    Another thing to add; games played since 01:

    2001: 157
    2002: 157
    2003: 159
    2004: 161
    2005: 162
    2006: 161

  162. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 6:36 pm

    36th in the baseball. Not the AL. And they’re all full time players.

  163. Jeff Nye on July 10th, 2007 6:37 pm

    You’re aware that bunts are generally not the player’s decision, right?

  164. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 6:39 pm

    161, that is a good point. Few things are more frustrating than injury prone players.

  165. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 6:40 pm

    Another hit for Ichiro in the ASG.

  166. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 6:44 pm

    163 Ichiro goes up and bunts all the time when nobody’s on base. Do you think that’s the manager’s idea? Of course, that’s not when it bothers me. It’s when there’s a man on second with no outs. If that’s management’s idea then they should all be beaten senseless. I’m betting that’s Ichiro thinking, if he’s safe that’s another point to his batting average, if he’s out, it’s not even an at bat.

  167. kentroyals5 on July 10th, 2007 6:47 pm

    Adam Jones pulled from AAA all-star game…its official baby!

  168. gwangung on July 10th, 2007 6:49 pm

    I read the whole thing. I thought about it. I disagreed with a lot of what was said. It’s not like I just plugged my ears and denied obvious facts.

    Well, when you don’t supply your reasoning, outsiders can’t tell the difference between the two.

    However, when he has an opportunity to drive in runs and he bunts, it drives me crazy. I think that’s a very wussy way to do things. I don’t care if he never speaks to anybody in the dug out. I want him to swing in pressure situations instead of handing those at bats to Jose Lopez.

    Why? Doesn’t this come down to “he doesn’t play the way I want him to play”, which disregards both playing style and the numbers? For the former, a great deal of his hits are infield hits and hit on the ground; not sure that’s useful for RBIs. For the latter, if you see the infield situation and know you can get a bunt down for a hit 80-90% of the time, as opposed to swinging away and getting a hit 40% of the time, why is that being selfish? Seems to me that’s MORE useful to the team, playing by the percentages…

  169. Jeff Nye on July 10th, 2007 6:49 pm

    I cannot recall ever having seen Ichiro bunt in an RBI situation.

    I certainly can’t imagine it happening often enough for you to have formed such a negative hypothesis about his thought process in those situations.

  170. RussM on July 10th, 2007 6:50 pm

    Props for JJ!!

  171. gwangung on July 10th, 2007 6:52 pm

    I cannot recall ever having seen Ichiro bunt in an RBI situation.

    Oh, I’ve seen it a few times, and some of the blog authors have commented on it.

    But I don’t necessarily feel that this is a bad things to do.

  172. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 6:59 pm

    ASG: A-rod runs into the last out at home.

    Lovely.

  173. F-Rod on July 10th, 2007 6:59 pm

    Griffey guns down A-Rod…there’s a classic moment!

  174. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 7:01 pm

    That was awesome. Go get ‘em, Ken!

  175. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 7:12 pm

    Is it me, or are Brian Roberts and Barry Zito twins separated at birth?

  176. Greg08 on July 10th, 2007 7:16 pm

    lol nice ichiro

  177. Sports on a Schtick on July 10th, 2007 7:16 pm

    Inside the f’ing park!

  178. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 7:16 pm

    Well that was pretty cool.

  179. Jeff Nye on July 10th, 2007 7:17 pm

    No further criticisms of Ichiro! will be given any consideration after that.

  180. hub on July 10th, 2007 7:18 pm

    first in history?

  181. bhsmarine on July 10th, 2007 7:18 pm

    First all time ever inside the park in a All-Star game, can you say All-Star MVP?

  182. Greg08 on July 10th, 2007 7:18 pm

    Who thinks ichiro has a chance for the All-Star game MVP?

    i do

  183. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 7:18 pm

    There’s your 100 Million Dollar Man, ladies and gentlemen. Fuckin’ A!

    Inside the park homerun, the lead, that’s a superstar.

    Thought that was a homer outside the parker from the crack off the bat.

    Funny! >> Manny trying the fanning thing to Ich, who’s barely breathing.

  184. hub on July 10th, 2007 7:19 pm

    So the early MVP race is between Ichiro and Reyes.

  185. derubino on July 10th, 2007 7:19 pm

    HAHA. Ichiro 3-3 with an inside that park. That’s why we’re gonna pay him the big bucks. Who thinks Ichiro can still play at 45 if he wants to?

  186. RussM on July 10th, 2007 7:19 pm

    182: hand raise

  187. kentroyals5 on July 10th, 2007 7:20 pm

    183- I think Manny is more tired actually..he had to get up off the bench and wave the towel

  188. bhsmarine on July 10th, 2007 7:20 pm

    185- This guy!

  189. msb on July 10th, 2007 7:21 pm

    Is it me, or are Brian Roberts and Barry Zito twins separated at birth?

    um. it’s just you :)

  190. Axtell on July 10th, 2007 7:21 pm

    Is it just me or does Ichiro fly without looking like he’s having to exert himself at all? First inside the park HR in all-star history, he went in standing up, and never looked like he was overexerting himself to run.

    Amazing.

  191. Tak on July 10th, 2007 7:22 pm

    if Ichiro starts to become too old to hit well (not like that will happen anytime soon), he will convert to a pitcher. and the scary thing is, if he really tried, he could probably become a #2 starter behind Felix

  192. hub on July 10th, 2007 7:24 pm

    And in a perfect world…

    …that inside the parker just gave us an extra game at Safeco come late October.

  193. KW on July 10th, 2007 7:24 pm

    Does anyone else get the feeling that Ichiro could do this every day if he felt like it?

  194. terry on July 10th, 2007 7:24 pm

    Ichiro has the 4th highest VORP in baseball and his bat is almost a full win better than the second best center field bat in the majors. Defensively UZR suggests he’s in the top tier in the majors.

    The love for Ichiro goes deeper than batting average. He’s arguably deserving of the MVP award.

  195. Greg08 on July 10th, 2007 7:26 pm

    im with u on that, terry

  196. PhilKenSebben on July 10th, 2007 7:33 pm

    um nooooo???????

    Ichi for MVP

  197. PhilKenSebben on July 10th, 2007 7:33 pm

    sorry disregard that

  198. msb on July 10th, 2007 7:38 pm

    does that right field wall always play that funky?

    #175– thinking about it, Roberts to me is more like Dennis Quaid…

  199. ndrfx on July 10th, 2007 7:40 pm

    Use Putz, jeese. He said he wanted to use him for six innings and I haven’t seen him yet!

  200. bhsmarine on July 10th, 2007 7:41 pm

    There has been a ton of broken bats and funny hops so far, great all-star game so far.

  201. bhsmarine on July 10th, 2007 7:42 pm

    He said he would use Putz as the closer, that would be awesome to see Putz shut down the NL all-star team for a save. Then everyone will know he is the best!

  202. msb on July 10th, 2007 7:42 pm

    can this Verlander come to Seattle this weekend?

  203. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 7:52 pm

    They’re saving JJ for the save. The best closer always pitches last.

    So it looks like Ichiro’s coming back. Now on to more important things:
    Between now and the deadline, what can we get for Balentien? When I look at the Rainiers’ roster, I don’t see a lot of pitching and our outfield/dh positions are pretty well set for a while. We don’t need another outfielder and a solid young pitcher to back up Felix would do a whole lot to keeping us in contention for the next few years. What do you guys think? Can we trade our pretty good hitting prospect for someone else’s pretty good pitching prospect?

  204. Borat4President on July 10th, 2007 7:52 pm

    If there’s any justice, Ichiro will win the MVP, thereby allowing me to experience the joy of watching him win a Chevy Tahoe. ‘Cause let’s face it, nothing says “America’s Pasttime” like a small Japanese man winning a large truck. Someone get that man a cowboy hat!

  205. Borat4President on July 10th, 2007 7:53 pm

    And I’m not afraid to say it: Nice rack on that keyboardist.

  206. kentroyals5 on July 10th, 2007 7:54 pm

    204- Well done my friend! LOL

  207. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 7:55 pm

    Ichiro in a Tahoe would be pretty sweet, but the rack is modest at best.

  208. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 7:55 pm

    What the hell?? Paula Cole has to remove her shoes to sing? Oh, wait, her keyboardist does.

    Roberts doesn’t look like Dennis Quaid, although Quaid looks like he should have been a ballplayer. I dunno, but I saw Roberts and thought, why is Zito on the Orioles and why is he a position player? Maybe it was one of those moments.

  209. Borat4President on July 10th, 2007 7:56 pm

    Good call 207. One of those phantom racks that look good from a distance. Fool me once, bosoms!

  210. kentroyals5 on July 10th, 2007 7:58 pm

    209-I typically get fooled twice

  211. Borat4President on July 10th, 2007 8:03 pm

    Boy the Twins are sure misusing this Santana fellow. He’s a superb 7th inning guy.

  212. Borat4President on July 10th, 2007 8:07 pm

    Technical question here: Is there a way to change your username without re-registering? “SpiderPig” is really calling out to me.

  213. ndrfx on July 10th, 2007 8:16 pm

    I don’t see how they wouldn’t give Ichiro the MVP…he did something that’s never been done before. So minus any late inning heroics by the NL I think it’s safe to see he gets it.

  214. Tak on July 10th, 2007 8:21 pm

    good thing Yahoo’s box score says “- J. Santana homered to deep left, M. Lowell scored”

  215. vitalogist on July 10th, 2007 8:24 pm

    leyland can kiss my ass if he puts in k-rod over j.j.

  216. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 8:25 pm

    Damn straight, vitalogist. Damn straight.

  217. jefffrane on July 10th, 2007 8:26 pm

    They better play JJ!

  218. bhsmarine on July 10th, 2007 8:26 pm

    I wouldn’t mind to much JJ getting 3 days off after all his 5 out saves and back to back saves. He deserves more of a break then anyone. Either way I am ok.

  219. vitalogist on July 10th, 2007 8:27 pm

    maybe he’s just gonna put him in for the one-out jones… then bring in 20 for the last two… but thats bs if he doesnt play…

  220. planB on July 10th, 2007 8:28 pm

    Is it me, or are Brian Roberts and Barry Zito twins separated at birth?

    I see it too.

  221. Lauren, token chick on July 10th, 2007 8:30 pm

    I haven’t dug my way through all 219 comments yet. Just have to chime in to say YAY! Ichiro’s probably half the reason I seem to have become a baseball fan at some point. I’m so happy he’s (probably) (hopefully) (please) staying!

    This is the sort of crap that makes people really feel ownership of “their” team. Dammit. I might even have to go to a game, just to celebrate.

  222. ace12 on July 10th, 2007 8:30 pm

    If Ichiro wins the MVP, he should give the Tahoe to Ellison.

  223. vitalogist on July 10th, 2007 8:31 pm

    lol 222

  224. hub on July 10th, 2007 8:31 pm

    JJ for the 9th.

  225. cgmonk on July 10th, 2007 8:33 pm

    J.J. Putz getting ready!

  226. vitalogist on July 10th, 2007 8:33 pm

    NO EXTRA RUN!

  227. fishiam on July 10th, 2007 8:34 pm

    I think Leyland wants JJ to pitch so his all star batters get an advance look at his stuff. No worries, JJ is so good it won’t help them much.

  228. fishiam on July 10th, 2007 8:38 pm

    It’s interesting to see all the All-Stars still hanging around watching the game as though they are really interested in the outcome. Remember that for a few years, the starters were on a plane somewhere by the 7th inning. I am guessing that the subsequent fallout of such stories led to the situation now where … they stay till the end.

  229. vitalogist on July 10th, 2007 8:38 pm

    THUNDER!

  230. hub on July 10th, 2007 8:39 pm

    And to think: at the end of Ichiro’s next contract, he could be over 2500 MLB hits.

  231. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 8:40 pm

    221. Me too. I’d always sort of watched baseball, but the move back to Alaska with afternoons free to watch, combined with this new, exciting, never done before player coming to the Mariners got me watching. And once I watched, I was sucked into the vortex that is baseball. All that winning didn’t hurt either, but I’ve kept watching regularly through these lean years and Ichiro’s the main reason why. I know, no matter how awful the game’s going, there’s the possibility to see something really exciting from him.

    I’d like to think I’d have keep watching as much if he’d left, because there’s a some exciting young talent on this team, but I gotta wonder. Now I don’t have to test myself! Whoo-HOO!

    Now JJ, close that MVP trophy for Ich, and maybe he’ll give you a ride in that Tahoe.

  232. cgmonk on July 10th, 2007 8:40 pm

    Go Putz!

  233. bhsmarine on July 10th, 2007 8:42 pm

    UNO K!

  234. fishiam on July 10th, 2007 8:42 pm

    3 strikeouts to close the game … that would be awesome.

  235. cgmonk on July 10th, 2007 8:44 pm

    2 down.

  236. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 8:45 pm

    McCann sounded like he broke an internal organ when he hit that pop-up.

  237. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 8:48 pm

    ERROR

  238. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 8:48 pm

    Lopez would have had that.

  239. fishiam on July 10th, 2007 8:48 pm

    yeah … that’s a base hit. In the ASG.

  240. bhsmarine on July 10th, 2007 8:48 pm

    THAT IS A E-4!

  241. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 8:49 pm

    I would’ve had that. Ugly. Call it an error.

  242. bhsmarine on July 10th, 2007 8:50 pm

    We can all thank Brian Roberts for that…

  243. jefffrane on July 10th, 2007 8:50 pm

    Holy crap!

  244. vitalogist on July 10th, 2007 8:51 pm

    thanks roberts.

  245. fishiam on July 10th, 2007 8:51 pm

    THAT doesn’t help the reputation any. They should pull him so he doesn’t get a really tainted save.

  246. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 8:51 pm

    Well, at least it’s an exhibition game. He can still get the save. Come on Jaje!

  247. BrianV on July 10th, 2007 8:51 pm

    I’ve been out all night listening to the Ny philhrmonic in the park so I had no idea.

    This is great, and just a few months ago I was resigned to Ichiro leaving. Well done!

    I’m psyched for the second half.

  248. davepaisley on July 10th, 2007 8:51 pm

    I’m sorry, Brian, did that hit you in the glove?

  249. kentroyals5 on July 10th, 2007 8:52 pm

    Brian Roberts=NL MVP

  250. Borat4President on July 10th, 2007 8:57 pm

    Truck envy. Pure and simple.

  251. bakomariner on July 10th, 2007 9:00 pm

    Just got home from class…if the deal is done, best news in ages! YES!!!!!!!!! Ichiro is here to stay!

  252. zzyzx on July 10th, 2007 9:00 pm

    If Ichiro loses out on his MVP because of this…

  253. robbbbbb on July 10th, 2007 9:01 pm

    Albert Pujols is on the bench here. How do you not put the best freaking hitter in the game up there with the game on the line?

  254. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 9:01 pm

    When did F-Rod last throw a strike!?

  255. robbbbbb on July 10th, 2007 9:02 pm

    You know, J.J. could have done this.

  256. Borat4President on July 10th, 2007 9:03 pm

    Funny how they keep cutting to a shot of JJ instead of to Roberts.

  257. zzyzx on July 10th, 2007 9:03 pm

    This is starting to remind me of that 1997 game in the Metrodome…

  258. Sparhawk2k on July 10th, 2007 9:03 pm

    Wow… Never would have expected this…

  259. vitalogist on July 10th, 2007 9:03 pm

    is hargrove managing? nice move pulling jj you dope… he was sharp before roberts bent him over and f’d him…

  260. ndrfx on July 10th, 2007 9:04 pm

    This is ludicrous. I mean, Putz totally blew it, but then they bring in this guy? He’s horirble. And why the hell isn’t Pujols hitting? God I hope the NL blows it so Ichiro can get his MVP.

  261. zzyzx on July 10th, 2007 9:04 pm

    Geez, F-Rod spun around in a circle after that pitch.

  262. ndrfx on July 10th, 2007 9:04 pm

    Yay, gogo Ichiro!

  263. Borat4President on July 10th, 2007 9:05 pm

    Somebody put a phonebook on the seat of that Tahoe, Ichi is comin home!

  264. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 9:06 pm

    Well, Ichiro should have it.

  265. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 9:07 pm

    La Russa was saving Pujos…for the game tomorrow.

  266. Borat4President on July 10th, 2007 9:08 pm

    Ichi lookin’ sharp!

  267. ndrfx on July 10th, 2007 9:08 pm

    FOOK YEA!

  268. apunetid on July 10th, 2007 9:08 pm

    What happened it Ichiro?

  269. zzyzx on July 10th, 2007 9:08 pm

    YAY!

  270. Sports on a Schtick on July 10th, 2007 9:09 pm

    I wonder how awkward this interview will be.

  271. apunetid on July 10th, 2007 9:09 pm

    268: “to”, I mean.

  272. planB on July 10th, 2007 9:09 pm

    WOO!! Ichiro is the 2007 ASG MVP.

  273. Borat4President on July 10th, 2007 9:09 pm

    Is he getting re-married after the game?

  274. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 9:09 pm

    What. The. Hell. Is. Ichiro. Wearing. It’s 1986 all over again!

  275. pinky on July 10th, 2007 9:09 pm

    Snazzy Ichiro in the house!

  276. DAMellen on July 10th, 2007 9:10 pm

    Why’s he wearing a suit? He looks ri-god-damn-diculous.

  277. davepaisley on July 10th, 2007 9:10 pm

    Time to Pimp My Ride, I think.

    $100M should go a long way.

  278. zzyzx on July 10th, 2007 9:11 pm

    At least it’ll fit in well in Seattle since it’s a hybrid.

  279. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 9:11 pm

    I love how Ichiro reacts to what the interviewer’s saying in English, then waits until it’s said in Japanese.

    And is he going to get in that thing and spin donuts on the infield? I always wonder when they give them the keys right there.

  280. bakomariner on July 10th, 2007 9:11 pm

    MVP ICHI!!!!!! Announce the deal now!!!!!!!!!!

  281. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 9:12 pm

    Er, someone needs to tell that chick that Ichiro’s resigned.

    “You hear that SF? He can hit homeruns here, and he’s a free agent!”

  282. Mr. Egaas on July 10th, 2007 9:12 pm

    “Ha ha ha ha… Stupid American woman must have not heard the news on the wire.”

  283. robbbbbb on July 10th, 2007 9:13 pm

    She says, “And he’s going to be a free agent,” and Ichiro laughs.

  284. fishiam on July 10th, 2007 9:15 pm

    270: very awkward it turns out.

  285. Borat4President on July 10th, 2007 9:19 pm

    Not nearly awkward enough. He should have come out dressed like a Harajuku girl, put his hand over his mouth and giggled the whole time. That’ll learn ‘em!

  286. _David_ on July 10th, 2007 9:21 pm

    Fuck FOX. Even if he hadn’t resigned, that is still a stupid and insulting thing to say. He’s not a free agent until he becomes a free agent. He’s a Mariner, and it’s a source of pride and happiness for Mariners fans to see him triumph in the All-Star game like that, to win MVP, so after he gives his interview, for her to end it with, “And he’s a free agent!” is just insanely stupid and insensitive.

  287. Dylan on July 10th, 2007 9:23 pm

    279-

    My thoughts exactly. He laughs before the guy even translates for him. Great stuff.

  288. Wishhiker on July 10th, 2007 9:28 pm

    I heard “and he will be a Free Agent” leaving me to think (in 2012)…Hopefully it’s the first of 3 MVP awards this season for him.

  289. hub on July 10th, 2007 9:28 pm

    “Fuck FOX. Even if he hadn’t resigned, that is still a stupid and insulting thing to say. He’s not a free agent until he becomes a free agent. He’s a Mariner, and it’s a source of pride and happiness for Mariners fans to see him triumph in the All-Star game like that, to win MVP, so after he gives his interview, for her to end it with, “And he’s a free agent!” is just insanely stupid and insensitive.”

    Harmless joking on her part. I’m fine with it.

  290. Jordan of Boise on July 10th, 2007 9:31 pm

    I don’t know if FOX and ESPN are in some sort of competition for the most moronic baseball broadcasts. I hate Barry Bonds as much as anyone, but damn, they drove the “S” word topic into the ground during the game, without ever adding any real light to the growing firmament of discussion.

    Ichiro rules – Brian Roberts sucks – What on earth are the weekend games? Houston vs Cubs or something? Phillies versus Montreal? Yankees versus South African Refugee All-Stars? I hate FOX.

  291. Wishhiker on July 10th, 2007 9:31 pm

    As if he couldn’t hit normal home-runs there? I wasn’t offended, be happy with the way he played and the fact that Putz still hasn’t blown a save. MVP is icing, she can’t just wipe it away with a greedy finger…

  292. Wishhiker on July 10th, 2007 9:33 pm

    I was half expecting the All-Star game to be Putz’s only blown save all year. I like Irony.

  293. planB on July 10th, 2007 9:33 pm

    He wouldn’t have gotten a blown save. It doesn’t count.(tm)

  294. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 9:40 pm

    Trust me, the SF fans were *convinced* they were getting Ichiro this off season. (Like every other team desperate for hitting.) They’re going to have an unpleasant surprise when they watch TV when they get home.

    Getting another look at that suit for the post-game interview. It looks like a bad Oscars tux, you know, when they don’t wear a bow tie.

    Interview was ponderous; ESPNEWS cuts wisely away.

  295. Wishhiker on July 10th, 2007 9:56 pm

    I understand it doesn’t count for season totals, but it would have happenned in the same calensar year. Why do people nit-pick so?

  296. _David_ on July 10th, 2007 10:10 pm

    I know Andrews was joking (or some definition of joking, and of course the joke was on her), but it’s a little insulting to mention his (thankfully-no-longer-existant) impending free-agency when he’s in the middle of a playoff race with his current club. It’s fine for the broadcasters to discuss, but to bring it up in his MVP interview seems somehow different and wrong.

  297. drew 18 on July 10th, 2007 10:18 pm

    On Brian Roberts….I don’t get how they call that a hit…isn’t the guy supposed to be an ALL STAR in the All Star Game? It was in his glove! It should be routine. Not that it all matters but would have been pretty cool to see the AL get the win with Ichiro as MVP Putz with the save, and Griffey knocking in the only 2 NL runs.

  298. DizzleChizzle on July 10th, 2007 11:09 pm

    274 & 276 That’s one of the things I love about Ichiro. He wears some of the ugliest shit and knows he’s going to get crap about it, but he just doesn’t give a shit.

    Sometimes I think Ichiro is playing a mean joke on the media with that translator of his just so that he can hear some of the ridiculous questions that are thrown at him.

  299. Karen on July 11th, 2007 10:48 am

    _David_, that was Jeannie Zelasko, not Erin Andrews. And yeah, I thought her “joke” fell a little flat with the people immediately around her… :)

    #260. ndrfx said, “This is ludicrous. I mean, Putz totally blew it, but then they bring in this guy? He’s horirble. And why the hell isn’t Pujols hitting? God I hope the NL blows it so Ichiro can get his MVP.”

    Actually, Jim Leyland blew it. He should have gone FRod-Putz and Papelbon (if needed). Worse yet, he may have had this upcoming weekend in mind when he left JJ in a batter or two too long (sneaky, but deniable). As for Pujols, maybe that’s why some people think Tony LaRussa is overrated… All’s well that ended well.

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