July 10th, 2007

Dave · July 10, 2007 at 9:18 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Let’s recap:

Morning: Ted Miller quotes USSM in the P-I, then jumps on the Adam Jones bandwagon.

Afternoon: Ichiro re-signs with the Mariners.

Evening: Ichiro goes 3-3 with the first inside-the-park HR in all-star game history. Wins All-Star game MVP award.

Late Evening: Jason Churchill reports that the team will give Adam Jones a starting job and bench Jose Vidro on Thursday.

I’m not exaggerating when I say this is the best single day this franchise has had since October 8, 1995. On the heels of Felix Hernandez mixing his pitches after reading our open letter, the Mariners winning 3 of 4 in Oakland while going 14 and 4 in their last 18 games, and Mike Hargrove resigning as manager, it feels like we’ve been granted access to our own personal genie.

As a lifelong Mariner fan, I’m used to finding a pot of crap at the end of the rainbow. I like this better.


114 Responses to “July 10th, 2007”

  1. Chris88 on July 10th, 2007 9:22 pm

    Yes! Such a good day, I don’t know what could have made it better! Even when JJ came out, K-Rod walked 2 guys. So much for trying to look better than the other guy, eh?

    If anything, I hope this All-Star MVP gets the media talking about Ichiro a bit more and maybe they will realize that he also is deserving of another more important MVP.

  2. Tae Bo Jackson on July 10th, 2007 9:22 pm

    What a day!!

  3. SethGrandpa on July 10th, 2007 9:23 pm

    Of course Roberts had to screw up Putz’s save. It woulda been too perfect.

    I hate Brian Roberts.

  4. smb on July 10th, 2007 9:23 pm

    Ditto. One for the record books…ours and the official one! Even Jr. had an RBI and an outfield assist.

  5. sokala on July 10th, 2007 9:26 pm

    No matter what the temp is tonight, I’ll be sleeping better.

  6. Axtell on July 10th, 2007 9:27 pm


    I was screaming the same thing…Roberts got absolutely no jump on the ball, and he could have easily dove for it, hopped up, and got him out…frustrating as hell.

    Jones getting the call, Ichiro making history and winning the MVP…wow, what an absolutely fantastic day.

  7. The Unknown Comic on July 10th, 2007 9:27 pm

    Gotta admit this an amazing blog and you guys deserve to have the influence you are getting with the Mariners. It is well deserved.

  8. dawgprospect on July 10th, 2007 9:33 pm

    Ichiro re-signing and Jones is coming up, meaning we have a plan for him in our outfield and wont end up trading him for a 1/2 season #4 starter. Great day to be a Mariner fan.

  9. Swungonandbelted on July 10th, 2007 9:33 pm


    This has been such an awesome freaking day in M’s land!

  10. Tak on July 10th, 2007 9:34 pm

    Now, if they can find a solution to the starting rotation…

  11. gwangung on July 10th, 2007 9:37 pm

    JUNE 10?


  12. JI on July 10th, 2007 9:39 pm

    Why RF instead of LF?

  13. hcoguy on July 10th, 2007 9:40 pm

    11. I started typing something and I had June 10th as well. can’t believe the summer’s half gone for me!

  14. JI on July 10th, 2007 9:40 pm

    October 6, 2001 was a pretty good day too.

  15. Typical Idiot Fan on July 10th, 2007 9:42 pm

    As a lifelong Mariner fan, I’m used to finding a pot of crap at the end of the rainbow. I like this better.

    Word. Nothing else really needs to be said.

  16. PhilKenSebben on July 10th, 2007 9:43 pm

    Jr. threw out A-Rod what a day.

  17. joser on July 10th, 2007 9:44 pm

    I know Derek is following things, just not posting, as he’s off on his little literary sabbatical. But I keep thinking how funny it would be if he was actually completely off the grid for the past few weeks. It would be like falling asleep and waking up in some other universe.

    As for the ASG… Ichiro! Man, the guy wasn’t even running hard until he got to 2nd, and he still easily beat out Jr’s throw. You think of all the amazing hitters and speedsters that have ever played in the ASG, it’s amazing this is the first inside-the-park HR.

    And JJ: The ball was in Roberts’ glove. I don’t know that he could’ve stopped and made the throw, but he should’ve at least caught the damn ball (though it still wasn’t as strange as ARod’s missed catch earlier in the game). But here’s how I look at it: JJ got his “blown” save for the year out of the way in a game that didn’t matter (whatever Selig might say). He was probably due to have one, and there it was (though I’m sure in an M’s game MacLaren would’ve left him in and he would’ve got the 3rd out; he certainly wouldn’t have loaded the bases). Now JJ can go back to being untouchable for the M’s. Plus this may lull Leyland into underestimating him later this week when the Tigers come to town.

  18. gwangung on July 10th, 2007 9:45 pm

    Something that occurred to me.

    If you go by Hardball Times analysis of free agent signings, teams are paying $4.4 million per win above average. That figure’s going to rise over the next five years, due both to simple inflation and due to maturation of new media, higher renewals of broadcast contracts, higher international revenue (non-Japan parts of Asia, etc.).

    By signing Ichiro to a 5/$100 million contract, the Mariners are expecting Ichiro to be worth 20-25 wins above average over the life of that contract.

    I’m not sure I’d bet against that….

  19. Jigga8481 on July 10th, 2007 9:46 pm

    I don’t know about all of you but I was hoping Ichiro would tell the lady from FOX that interviewed him after the game that she asked stupid questions. Just like the guy he said that to earlier. That would have been great.

  20. Wishhiker on July 10th, 2007 9:47 pm

    Beautifully put. That’s how I feel too. Obviously, I can’t take any credit for the things that some people of this site have written that has helped decisionmaking and team improvement. Some of these things have probably come as a result of the statistical analysis that has surely been read by enough influentual office people since Hernandez’ first beautiful first inning in months for some to see the creedence and be forced to agree. It would seem to show thier intelligence as well.

    I thought it would be ironic if Putz’ only blown save all season came in the All-Star game.

    I’m so glad Ichiro’s re-signing. He’s worth the money, and would have been to other teams. This was the right way to get it done, IMO. I was afraid someone was going to Rashard him away, or rather, A-Rod him away.

  21. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 9:48 pm

    Because I’m masochistic, I watch a lot of those afternoon yakking heads shows on ESPN. They pulverize the big news items of the day before moving on to fresh meat. Hargrove’s resignation had them all braying that the Mariners were done, done, done, losers, gonna shrivel up and die, on and on.

    Instead, there seems to have been a ‘huh?’ moment, and then things really picked up pace. Not any frantic “We’ll show him!” reaction, or “Thank god he’s gone!” but a professional refocusing and moving on. It’s only been a little over a week and it’s so far in the rearview mirror, Hargrove’s a dot. Good job with everything, team.

    I can’t wait until tomorrow night’s game. Just can’t wait.

  22. Chris88 on July 10th, 2007 9:49 pm

    You know what also made this a good day, Derek Jeter GIDP and then not even coming close to fielding that sad single up the middle by Griffey Jr. Go GG awards!

  23. Borat4President on July 10th, 2007 9:51 pm

    19- I was hoping he’d say “My God lady, are you ever not pregnant?” in Japanese, then his translator says “He says: He’s honored to win MVP”

  24. Carson on July 10th, 2007 9:55 pm

    17 – With the wonders that are baseball rules, JJ actually got a hold, not a blown save.

    Couldn’t someone other than the closer for the team we’re chasing get the vulcher save?

  25. Jake on July 10th, 2007 9:58 pm

    21 – There isn’t a game tomorrow, so you don’t have a choice but to wait.

  26. Jigga8481 on July 10th, 2007 9:58 pm

    I was left wondering during the game whether the people from FOX even did any research on the players in the game, they kept referring to Ichiro as a pending free agent. I honestly don’t believe Joe Buck was actually present for the game.

  27. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2007 10:00 pm

    Damn! I never do know what day of the week it is, and now it bites me in the butt.

  28. TaylorD7 on July 10th, 2007 10:00 pm

    Nevermind, I just figured out that DMZ is at some writing workshop….I have a feeling his pieces are going to suddenly take an optimistic view….hehe.

  29. Mendoza Line on July 10th, 2007 10:01 pm

    I’ve been reading a loooooong time, and finally decided to make a post, just to say how much I appreciate the guys at USSM and the apparent respect you are getting within the organization. Between King mixing his pitches and AJ getting called up, you guys are on fire!
    Thanks for being there, USSM. You guys rule!

  30. Bat9th on July 10th, 2007 10:01 pm

    Yeah why would they take Guillens arm out of RF? Jones makes more sense in left.

  31. Jigga8481 on July 10th, 2007 10:02 pm

    I was under the impression that Jones has a stronger arm than Guillen. Am I wrong?

  32. Mike Honcho on July 10th, 2007 10:06 pm

    31 – Jones has the best arm in the system, including the big-league squad.

    But his arm in RF won’t help the defense as much as his legs would help.

    Beggars can’t be choosers, but AJ shouldn’t be in RF.

  33. Carson on July 10th, 2007 10:07 pm

    Did anyone else notice Corey Brock has been writing some stories for the Mariners site lately? Any idea if Jim Street is gone, and we get Corey back?

    Yo Corey, you out there?

  34. teacherrefpoet on July 10th, 2007 10:08 pm

    USS Mariner is the Cyrano; the M’s are the Christian…except this is a happy story.

  35. Borat4President on July 10th, 2007 10:09 pm

    So will they wait and see how well AJ does and then put Vidro on the trading block? Or is he destined to be a high priced bench player?

  36. Jeff Nye on July 10th, 2007 10:10 pm

    No one is going to trade for Vidro.

    Him riding the pine is enough for me.

  37. Otto on July 10th, 2007 10:12 pm

    I love Christmas in July!

  38. arbeck on July 10th, 2007 10:13 pm

    I would think that it would actually make sense to play Jones in LF while in Safeco and RF the rest of the time. Safeco is a unique park where RF is the easiest OF position.

  39. Bat9th on July 10th, 2007 10:14 pm

    Congrats to AJ though he well deserves the chance. When we going to see Balentin as a potential starter (I know theres not a spot now and having two unproven guys isnt smart)? Next season? Guillen is signed for one year right?

  40. J from Issy on July 10th, 2007 10:15 pm

    Guillen has a 9 mil mutual option, if I’m not mistaken

  41. gag harbor on July 10th, 2007 10:17 pm

    Dave, the quality of USSM has also never been better and I’ve been massively impressed with your approach to communication with this community and with constructive criticism of the M’s organization. It’s been fun to read your posts and you generate a lot of interest in an organization that has been under-achieving for several years leading up to the past 2 months. Credit where credit is due for you too!

  42. gwangung on July 10th, 2007 10:21 pm

    I would think that it would actually make sense to play Jones in LF while in Safeco and RF the rest of the time. Safeco is a unique park where RF is the easiest OF position.

    Hm. Interesting. Not sure that’s wise, but that bespeaks a flexibility of thinking that wasn’t a trait of the club before.

  43. KJR House Doc on July 10th, 2007 10:21 pm

    I think the Ichiro signing will only help the team focus. One less uncertainty.
    Hargrove jumping ship, same thing. They know who is going to be their manager next year and don’t have to worry about it.
    Bringing up Jones will help the D and keep Ibanez healthier without having to play every day.
    It should be a fun second half of the season… I will just hope everyone stays healthy, adheres to their mechanics and maintains their confidence (i.e Weaver).
    Really enjoy your site. Great analysis and discussions.

  44. drew 18 on July 10th, 2007 10:22 pm


  45. jeffprock on July 10th, 2007 10:25 pm

    Did you guys notice how Zelasko said Ichiro will be a free agent at the end of the year? Ummm, no.

  46. Bat9th on July 10th, 2007 10:25 pm

    19- Who did Ichiro tell they were asking dumb questions? Thats classic.

  47. Lauren, token chick on July 10th, 2007 10:30 pm

    (DMZ leans over his notebook and struggles to complete his story…)

    Mac looked around. The cyborgs had already taken over the space station, and the portable black hole was only going to spread. And having lost three limbs to the hungry maw of an intergalactic jezlbrug, he was only a second or two from bleeding out.

    Suddenly the cyborgs were sucked into the black hole which then shot out weird energy that sealed Mac’s wounds and gave him several handy superpowers and an attractive haircut, as well as saving the human race from certain doom and giving the space station a fresh spring-like scent. And the jezlbrug was brought up from AAA to play right field. Aaaaaaamen.

  48. naviomelo on July 10th, 2007 10:36 pm

    43 – Maybe we could get this kind of discussion and analysis on the air?

  49. _David_ on July 10th, 2007 10:37 pm

    Are they in Detroit? Is there a .01% chance that the detroit rightfield is more important and that since he hasn’t gotten used to playing left field at safeco or any other major league park, he might as well play right in Detroit and left thereafter? Other than that, this feels like the M’s saying either, ‘He’s a rookie, and we don’t want to make defense too difficult for him right away’ (which ignores the fact that he’s being promoted because of his defense), or even worse that they are seeing his arm and automatically thinking RF (This would be strange because they are obviously not un-aware of Guillen’s arm, or the shape of their own park. This is one of those things where I’m really happy to see AJ in the majors, but this RF thing is really hard to figure out, and annoying.

  50. joser on July 10th, 2007 10:41 pm

    Second in the majors with a .359 average, Suzuki joked about his power.

    “If I’m allowed to hit .220, I could probably hit 40,” he said, “but nobody wants that.”

    Dude, that would still make you a more valuable player than Richie Sexson this year.

  51. dirk on July 10th, 2007 10:42 pm

    Another reason to put Jones in RF is to make up for Sexson’s (and to a lesser extent, Lopez’) lack of range. Whereas, Beltre and Yuni cover shallow LF pretty well.

    My ideal M’s lineup:

    Ich CF
    Lopez 2b
    Ibanez DH
    Guillen LF
    Beltre 3B
    Johjima C
    Jones RF
    Yuni SS

  52. fetish on July 10th, 2007 10:43 pm

    Dude. The HOP? That stat is way, way, way more worthless than productive outs. I mean, at least some outs are more productive than others.

  53. joser on July 10th, 2007 10:43 pm

    49: The Detroit series (and the Baltimore one after it) are home games. They don’t leave Safeco until they go to Toronto next Friday.

  54. G-Man on July 10th, 2007 10:54 pm

    Right field, schmite field, that’s trivial in the grand scheme. I just want to see him in the lineup and Vidro grabbing pine.

    If this happens and Ichiro indeed signs, it is fabulous.

  55. five toed sloth on July 10th, 2007 10:59 pm

    54, right on. Let’s not quibble over the one minor point that can obscure this wonderful day/week (that is, if it all comes to pass). Of all the outfield possibilities involving Ichiro, Guillen, and Jones, the only ones that would be any problem are those with Guillen in center, which isn’t going to happen. Please, no “Jones would have had that” on plays in left. Just enjoy what we (hopefully, maybe, if the stars align) will have.

  56. DizzleChizzle on July 10th, 2007 10:59 pm

    In Putz’s defense, the majority of relievers didn’t look all that great tonight IMO.

  57. Jordan of Boise on July 10th, 2007 10:59 pm

    52 – No kidding, right? Hits vs Outs % is a trivia stat, useful only in the ticker when you’re watching a game on Gamecast. Baseball Tonight was spectacularly worthless tonight, though I do love the bold prediction that Ichiro will bat .400 on the year, take the MVP and get the M’s in the play-offs.

  58. David J. Corcoran I on July 10th, 2007 11:05 pm

    It’s not a perfect day yet. My father is pissed that Vidro is being benched:

    “He’s hitting .280!”

    When he converts, then it will be the perfect day.

    Go M’s!

  59. joser on July 10th, 2007 11:12 pm

    Corcoran, you just have to enjoy the absurdity of it, just as you would a classic car that never runs right or an old dog that sleeps wherever it pleases. It could be worse. My mother is a Yankees fan.

  60. earinc on July 10th, 2007 11:17 pm

    Forgive my french, but this is un-fucking real. There’s still an hour left in the day. What could happen? Maybe Vladimir Guerrero could get traded to the NL for prospects? MLB.TV announces a new plan to get its head out of its ass? Rick Rizszszsz retires?

    I also hope tonight is the night (or at least in the next few days, after he signs on the dotted line of his new contract) that the media starts realizing that Ichiro is more deserving of the MVP award this year — so far, of course — than he was in 2001. You could make a stronger case for Boone that year than A-Rod this year, simply due to their teams’ records. Vlad is Ichiro’s only competition in the AL, unless you wanna throw Putz into the mix, but I don’t quite trust my objectivity there. Ultimately, if things continue the way they have, let the standings decide. What’s fucking amazing is, I’m starting to like our chances.

    This is a fun year and we (okay, ME) should stop worrying about what happens and just enjoy it. Whenever the 2001 season comes up amongst friends of mine who aren’t everyday M’s fans, they always cringe and say, “Ooh, it’s too bad you guys didn’t win that year.” I always tell them, and I truly mean it, that I wouldn’t trade that season for any other. Every day, for six months-plus, my team was the best on the planet by a country mile. It was utterly awesome. Yeah, they lost, but you can’t take away the greatest hot streak any team has ever sustained for one season.

    This year, although not quite so off the hook, feels kind of special like 2001, or 1995 (another season I wouldn’t trade for anything, especially as someone who was at every home game that postseason). My point being, let’s enjoy the ride, it’s worth it.

  61. Tak on July 10th, 2007 11:25 pm

    “If I’m allowed to hit .220, I could probably hit 40,” he said, “but nobody wants that.”

    thats probably better than Sexson

  62. earinc on July 10th, 2007 11:25 pm

    P.S. As a longtime M’s fan, I want to echo the praise for USSM and to the M’s suits for apparently listening to outside ideas. USSM may yet end up the MVP this season, if Felix continues to mix his pitches early with success, Jones thrives in LF, Vidro grows moss on the bench, etc…

    Our biggest threat to second-half success, IMHO: the return of Ho-Ram.

  63. hcoguy on July 10th, 2007 11:29 pm

    The Ho gets a start at home to start things off again. Against the oriole no less. If he struggles there, well, its time to explore other option cause that should be cake for him. Unless Vidro eats it. If we can skip the 5th spot or reduce it to home only, tough given our scheduling difficulties, it can still work out ok. I would say the biggest threat to second-half success is Sexson not having his usual hot streak and still playing every day.

  64. Tom on July 10th, 2007 11:30 pm

    #65: Hahaha, don’t scare with that talk. I wish there was a way to actually put Morrow in the roto instead of HoRam, but I highly doubt we will see that.

  65. furgig on July 10th, 2007 11:31 pm

    On top of everything else, Ken Levine will be in the radio booth Thursday and Friday. Now that’s a guy who can make a radio broadcast interesting.

  66. earinc on July 10th, 2007 11:34 pm

    P.P.S. I really, really hope Batista has a good second half (though I don’t expect it), because he is one of the most idiosyncratic characters on the team. A likable dude. You have to feel for a guy who once said, “It helps to be a loner to deal with loneliness.”

  67. earinc on July 10th, 2007 11:37 pm

    63: Can’t argue about Sexson, although I’d like to believe he’ll heat up, per usual.

  68. Gomez on July 10th, 2007 11:50 pm

    I’ve been on vacation since last Friday, hanging out with my family in Las Vegas. Save for the blogs, I have no access to direct coverage of the team. I’ve checked in with the blogs daily, and the events of this past week seem so unreal, like a dream. Felix taking USSM’s advice, Ichiro re-signing with the M’s, Ichiro having an MVP night for the AL in the All Star Game, Adam Jones getting the call and Vidro getting benched… I don’t think it’s really sunk in, all that has happened, because of my distance from relative normalcy.

    I’ve certainly enjoyed spending quality time with my family and friends… but I’m anticipating the trip home, if only to turn on FSN or KOMO and find out if this is all real, if all of this really happened. It’s all so amazing, beyond the baseball fan’s equivalent of Christmas morning. I don’t want to call it a dream come true, because the Mariners haven’t won the World Series yet ;P but it’s up there on the Awesome Chain.

  69. Mr. Egaas on July 10th, 2007 11:52 pm

    I like it when they do the right thing!

    Aumont! Ichiro! Jones!

    Let’s see a good looking offer for a starter and we’re gold!

  70. hcoguy on July 10th, 2007 11:52 pm

    Isn’t the ‘Awesome Chain’ what Weaver wears around his neck?

  71. earinc on July 11th, 2007 12:04 am

    No, that’s the ‘one-hitter’.

  72. dotcomse on July 11th, 2007 12:11 am

    Wee! (Sorry, just had to get in on the good times)

  73. scott19 on July 11th, 2007 12:13 am

    Late chime-in on this as well, but…great day for Ichiro! and great day for Mariner Nation!

  74. Bender on July 11th, 2007 12:17 am

    O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!

  75. Spadam on July 11th, 2007 12:18 am

    The entire day was amazing. This was the first time I’ve seen any program on ESPN or any other national coverage of sports saying that the Mariners are “the team to watch in the AL in the second half.”

    Also, props to USSM. This season has been amazing, and this site has a ton to do with it.

  76. PositivePaul on July 11th, 2007 12:20 am

    I know Derek is following things, just not posting, as he’s off on his little literary sabbatical. …

    Hmmm. DMZ leaves USSM for a time, and darn near everything’s fixed in Marinerland — Coincidence?


    I kid. I kid!

    (although that could be spun into a positive — like, say, DMZ abandons USSM for a spell to spend every last ounce of his being using his Bloomquistrian mind control over the Mariners’ decision makers, then goes and puts on his super suit and kicks the asses of all the demons and villans who have unleashed their wrath upon the Spirit of Sodo Mojo…)

  77. fetish on July 11th, 2007 12:27 am

    Tell me that Levine thing is real. He was far and away the best partner for Neihaus. When he got replaced after one brilliant season (’92, I believe) a little piece of me died.

  78. B_Con on July 11th, 2007 12:31 am

    Forgotten fact of today is that the AL has home field once again.

    I can see it now… Game 7, bottom of the 9th, train blasting its horn, ichiro at the plate….

  79. jeffprock on July 11th, 2007 12:56 am

    I can hear it now…


    I don’t think you would be able to hear the person next to you.

  80. Tom on July 11th, 2007 1:17 am

    hahaha, could that REALLY happen? Heck, if we just got in the World Series, that’d be ok with me.

  81. Tak on July 11th, 2007 1:39 am

    in reality, it will be more like M’s down 2-3, bottom of the 9th 1 out, Ichiro on 1st….

    … and Jose Vidro at the plate.


  82. joser on July 11th, 2007 1:50 am

    Here’s a thought. Maybe Derek isn’t off on a literary sabbatical. Maybe that’s just the cover story. I mean, think about it: Everything Dave blogs about comes to pass. Hargrove just up and quits, in one of the most unexpected moves by any manager in MLB history. Felix suddenly sees the light and starts mixing his pitches. Jones gets the call-up. Vidro gets the bench. Ichiro gets re-signed.

    It’s almost like there’s a guy inside. Some kind of stealth ninja strategist who knows exactly what USSM wants, and can get it done. A cyberpunk black op specialist riding the hot white currents of the blogosphere all the way into the Mariners front office.

    I mean, has anybody even seen Bavasi lately?

    You have to ask yourself, which seems more plausible: that Derek is completely away from baseball and blogging, in perhaps the most astonishing summer in Mariner history (or at least the past decade), and is instead off at some writer’s workshop working on writing science fiction. Science Fiction!

    Or he’s got Bavasi gagged and duct-taped in a closet at Safeco Field, and is sending out emails in his name and phonecalls in a passable impression of his voice. Maybe instead of writing science fiction he’s living it. Maybe instead of the Wii he wanted Derek got a Flux Capacitor, and the whole goddamn DeLorean to go with it. Or maybe he didn’t get an ordinary Wii, but one with an Implausibility Drive built in, and he’s been doing up-up-down-down-left-right-left-right-B-A move like crazy. I mean, the guy who wrote a cheater’s guide to baseball has to know the ultimate Konami cheat code to the biggest, most expensive game Nintendo owns.

    Maybe this — all of this, these events, this team, this season — maybe this is fiction, and we’re all just bit characters in the craziest, most unlikely baseball plotline since Roy Hobbs made a scoreboard explode. If that’s the case, well, count me in. Keep feeding me the blue pills. I don’t want to wake up. I don’t want to know how deep the rabbit hole goes. Let me sleep the sleep of childhood, with my team’s cap on my head and my glove under my pillow. Let me dream of electric sheep. Let the craziness continue. Let the smart moves keep happening, let the stars keep aligning, and most of all let this team keep winning.

  83. Tom on July 11th, 2007 2:11 am

    #82: Here is a list of some of the players Bill Bavasi thought would contribute this season, so therefore, he either traded/signed these players or kept them on the team even though they should’ve been traded:

    Jose Vidro
    Horacio Ramirez
    Chris Reitsma
    Arthur Rhodes
    Sean White
    Cha Seung Baek
    Jeff Weaver (although to be fair, he’s done good as of late)
    Richie Sexson
    Jason Ellison (although McLaren may use him different in half #2)
    Ben Broussard
    Jose Guillen
    Jamie Burke
    Julio Mateo
    Miguel Batista

    Out of all those players, Guillen and Burke have been the most useful at their respective positions while Broussard has been a decent fill in player at times. And to be fair, Weaver and Batista have been pretty decent as of late. But other than that, none of the decisions Bavasi has made have really panned out. A lot of the Mariners success has to do somewhat with the success our homegrown kids have had with some (i.e. O’Flaherty) weren’t really intended to make the team this year. And while Bavasi has drafted and signed a few good players to our system such as YuBet, Morrow, Clement, and Aumont, it wasn’t necessarily him that built this entire team. If anything, this team could have been better sooner or a lot better now if Bavasi was fired sooner.

    I’m glad Hargrove is gone so his contract isn’t an issue, but Bavasi’s still is. And while he has made a couple good moves, he’s made many more bad ones. Which is why I hope the Mariners don’t get blindsided by all this winning and sign him to a 3 year extension or whatever.

    It sounds crazy to fire a GM after he won 90 or so games in a season, but quite honestly, part of this team’s success has been accidental in the sense that this wasn’t necessarily the roster Bavasi had envisioned going into Opening Day and chances are we will probably need someone to finish off the building of this team next year if it turns out this year we aren’t as good as the Red Sox, Tigers, and all the other monsters of the AL. . .yet.

  84. Colorado M's Fan on July 11th, 2007 3:12 am

    In fairness to Bavasi, he was dealt a very crummy hand last offseason. Ultra inflated market (and a weak crop of free-agents to boot), needed 3 new starting pitchers, needed another RBI bat, and wanted to do it without signing a franchise killing contract (see Soriano and Zito, and probably Lee). Especially with those crippling pitching needs, its amazing he resisted the urge to throw 17 per at Schmidt or Zito. And thank God he didn’t.

    The fact that he got Batista (an innings eater and viable #4), Weaver (a viable #5 when healthy and has his wits about him), and Guillen (who is essentially a near free season long rent-a-bat to bridge the gap for Jones/Balentien), is actually decently impressive. Ho Ram is a below average pitcher, and honestly, the team should seriously consider DFA’ing him if he struggles after returning from “rehab.” He’s obviously not as bad as his performance early on indicated, just like Jeff Weaver wasn’t. Jose Vidro was not worth the price paid but he is actually a useful player as a #10 hitter. Like Bloomquist, he does have value to the team, but only if he is used correctly. Namely, like Bloomquist, using him LESS.

    And even before that offseason started, Bavasi made his best move in a long time when he won the bidding for Carlos Truinfel. Then in the draft, he actually drafted high ceiling prospects. If Bavasi is released at seasons end, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the Mariners made a strong AL surge on the backs of Bavasi/Fontaine’s prospects. Bavasi’s badge of honor wasn’t that he won in Anaheim. It was that Anaheim won after he left. Kind of like an anti-Gillick.

  85. NBarnes on July 11th, 2007 3:54 am

    I’m not at all convinced that Vidro has value. A bench player with no power and no defensive value? Sure, he can hit for a superficial average with a mildly glossy OBP, but if that’s your standard, there’s a million guys in AAA that can do that for you (see: Cust, Jack; Pena, Carlos; Choi, Hee Seop; Snelling, Chris) for way way less than Bavasi paid for Vidro (and then extended his contract!!).

    The SorianoRamirez trade (every time I see that, I have to remind myself that it wasn’t Manny for Alfonso) was awful, but the Vidro trade set standards that lesser GMs will never come close to equaling.

  86. Rick L on July 11th, 2007 5:39 am

    I thought Ichiro said, in his MVP interview after the game, that he was going to try free agency. Maybe I mis-heard it.

  87. msb on July 11th, 2007 6:12 am

    (DMZ leans over his notebook and struggles to complete his story…)

    head bent, tongue sticking out of the corner of his mouth in concentration, brows drawn together ….

  88. msb on July 11th, 2007 6:22 am

    Times and PI both have ‘slow down’ quotes from the M’s & the agent, with Attanasio says “We’re still talking but we’re not at the point where we have anything to announce.”

    ['if nothing else, we have to add in all those new All Star Game incentive clauses!']

  89. Wells on July 11th, 2007 6:26 am

    Ichiro hasn’t re-signed yet. Let’s not jinx it.

  90. scraps on July 11th, 2007 6:54 am

    I was amused to read some astonishment from sportswriters that Ichiro has never hit an inside-the-park home run in his career, here or in Japan. It seems exactly like Ichiro to me. Wasn’t it earlier this year that he got thrown out going first to third for the first time in his major league career? One of the things I love about Ichiro is that he is just about the smartest baserunner I have ever seen. I know he’s too conservative for some folks, but I love that he uses his speed to get advantages where it’s appropriate and that he costs almost nothing on the basepaths.

  91. doug on July 11th, 2007 7:11 am

    This this is all true, it is increadable.

  92. JJD on July 11th, 2007 7:22 am

    In addition to the Brian Roberts-hate, I’d like to mention that Soriano’s dinger BARELY made it over the wall, and I’m guessing probably would’ve been the final out at Safeco (though that is based on generalization and NOTHING else).

    I thought it was kind of classy for Leyland to pull JJ out, considering the M’s play the Tigers next and he COULD have let JJ try to finish and no one would have though anything of it.

  93. johnb on July 11th, 2007 7:31 am

    I think Vidro’s value as a #10 hitter is quite diminished since he really can’t play in the field, and he lacks pop. The best solution is to thry to move him, but I doubt there will be any takers.

  94. bakomariner on July 11th, 2007 7:34 am

    i totally agree…as i was laying in bed last night, looking at the ceiling, i thought, “this is the best day for the franchise since griff and edgar in ’95″ i went to bed happy, hopeful, and refreshed…going to watch Triunfel and the A boys in Bakersfield tonight…what a good time to be an Ms fan!

  95. Mr. Egaas on July 11th, 2007 7:46 am

    In addition to the Brian Roberts-hate, I’d like to mention that Soriano’s dinger BARELY made it over the wall, and I’m guessing probably would’ve been the final out at Safeco (though that is based on generalization and NOTHING else).

    Yeah, it’s 309 down the RF line and this wasn’t that much over from that. It was definitely a short porch shot. But Roberts should have come up with that ball.

  96. bakomariner on July 11th, 2007 8:02 am

    Dave, if you are still around, what should I expect from Triunfel tonight vs. Bakersfield? Cibney Bello is the starter tonight…never heard of him…What other guys on the A squad should i look out for?

  97. bakomariner on July 11th, 2007 8:05 am

    re-96…Tillman? Saunders?

  98. Kwickie on July 11th, 2007 8:07 am

    I for one welcome our new insect overlords…

  99. Dylan on July 11th, 2007 8:10 am

    I agree. Bavasi’s FA moves weren’t horrible, it was his trades that really colored the off season poorly.

    Also, is this whole Ichiro thing for real? I’m getting more and more nervous that he’s not going to sign. Granted, both he and his agent are saying all the normal player/agent things, I just want the damn dotted line signed.

  100. pygmalion on July 11th, 2007 8:26 am

    99 Reviewing the last off-season a little while ago I was surprised by how much I approved of his free agent signings and his draft picks. But his trades have been as cringe-worthy as most M’s trades in the past have been, excepting a precious few of national notoriety.

    Batista and Weaver haven’t exactly been world-beaters but their deals aren’t terrible and there weren’t all that many better deals available, that I could remember. And of course the Guillen move was just fine.

    I’m still amazed that this team is doing so well, considering the deals that were made, though. I mean how is it possible that a team picks up the stuff this team picked up, and gets so much better – without Felix even pitching well most of the half-season?

  101. George_Argyros_Lives on July 11th, 2007 8:35 am

    Although I am happy to see AJones get the call too, let’s not get too excited too quickly. He was called up last year
    and stunk. He couldn’t hit MLB pitching, striking out 25 out of 75 ABs and batting a Sexson-like .211.
    I think it’s the right time for the move and a good experiment. But he may not do anything and may be sent back down again very soon. I seem to remember the same level of internet crowing and excitement over (among others) one Jeremy Reed, who was supposed to be the steal of the century in the Garcia trade, the next sure thing, can’t miss prospect and the future of the Mariner OF. Prospects are called prospects for a reason. I hope AJ can contribute this year at the MLB level, but I remain skeptical. Looks like we will find out now.
    As for our center-fielder, Ichiro is God.

  102. Brian Rust on July 11th, 2007 8:48 am

    Great night, but I’m having a hard time envisioning Ichiro cruising around Seattle in a Chevy Tahoe. He just doesn’t seem like a Tahoe kind of guy. Although it would have room for a humidor.

  103. Safeco Hobo on July 11th, 2007 8:53 am

    Last year Jones had an OPS of .829 in AAA, this year in a half of season he has an OPS of .963. I’ve seen too many ‘can’t miss prospects’ miss to say Jones is going to be a second half mariner MVP, but Jones has a much better chance to excel this year than last.

    Last year he feasted on mistake pitches and meatballs. I remeber watching him at the end of his stay in Seattle last year and the scouting report got out to throw him anything crooked, didn’t matter if it was a strike or not. This year his approach has changed, he’s more patient, he’s recognizing pitches MUCH better and not just sitting on that mistake fastball thats right down the pipe. Nevermind the HUGE defense upgrade he brings! I think he’s taken his last swing in AAA.

  104. Phoenician Todd on July 11th, 2007 8:55 am

    #101 – I think you need to go back and reread some of the posts made regarding Reed and Adam Jones. Dave has made many posts talking about how over rated Reed was and has repeatedly discussed how much improved AJ is this year compared to last.

    And remember, 75 ABs for a 20 year old does not a sufficient population make; we have to rely on some sort of translation from his minor league stats and his stats this year are ridiculous.

  105. msb on July 11th, 2007 8:56 am

    He was called up last year and stunk. He couldn’t hit MLB pitching, striking out 25 out of 75 ABs and batting a Sexson-like .211.

    well, FWIW, he got 47 ABs in July, and 27 from the next two months …

  106. msb on July 11th, 2007 8:57 am

    Great night, but I’m having a hard time envisioning Ichiro cruising around Seattle in a Chevy Tahoe.

    but it’s a hybrid! :)

  107. George_Argyros_Lives on July 11th, 2007 9:06 am

    103, 104, 105: As I said in my original post, I agree with you all (and most everyone who cares about the Ms) that the time to call up AJones is now.

    All I’m saying is that what happens next is more of a question mark than people seem to be suggesting. If he struggles mightily at the plate as he did last year in his MLB attempt, then this might be a pretty quick experiment.

    I hope he contributes — it would be a great boost. The proof will be in the pudding. It will be interesting and exciting to watch the M’s the next few weeks!

  108. carcinogen on July 11th, 2007 9:07 am

    MSB…that’s a “hybrid” Tahoe, don’t forget.

    what a joke…

  109. gwangung on July 11th, 2007 9:22 am

    All I’m saying is that what happens next is more of a question mark than people seem to be suggesting. If he struggles mightily at the plate as he did last year in his MLB attempt, then this might be a pretty quick experiment.

    Given that almost ALL top notch players struggle in their first big league experience, posting numbers similar to Jones, I think you may be overemphasizing Jones’ numbers last year.

  110. Paul B on July 11th, 2007 9:31 am

    And Jones is not the same hitter that he was last year. That’s apparent from the numbers that have already been posted by others.

    There’s always a risk, but this risk is small.

  111. Karen on July 11th, 2007 11:14 am

    #82. joser, you should really write more stuff like that… LOL!

    #90. I agree. Ichiro plays the game ‘way better than the guy M’s fans love to hate, the guy who’s supposed to be the best player in the game right now…in the last couple of years you see footage of ARod slapping at a ball, stupidly challenging an armored catcher, yelling at fielders as he runs behind them, elbowing a 2B in the “lower abdomen” after being forced at that base w/the ball on its way to 1B for the GIDP, and yesterday running into an out-by-15-feet at the plate. And it’s not like he was covering Jeter’s territory when he missed that catch yesterday, either.

    #92. I thought Leyland left JJ in TOO long… Oh, well, JJ has today (and hopefully tomorrow, with Felix going against The Gambler) to rest up.

  112. CouchGM on July 11th, 2007 12:40 pm

    Does this mean the Chris Antonetti’ 07 Campaign goes on the shelf?

  113. scott19 on July 11th, 2007 6:12 pm

    106: I think if I were Ichi, I’d trade that Tahoe on a Lotus Elise! :)

  114. joser on July 11th, 2007 7:08 pm

    Karen, glad you appreciated it. I’d write more stuff like that if I could. But it was 2am and about 100° in my place and I’d been up all night drinking Hoegaarden; that combination of sleep deprivation, dehydrated intoxication, and fevered hallucination doesn’t come along very often. Probably for the best, really: regular bouts of that kind of inspiration would likely kill me.

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