Game 89, Tigers at Mariners

Dave · July 15, 2007 at 12:40 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Weaver vs Verlander, 1:05 pm.

Like Friday night’s game, this is another one the M’s will have to steal, because by all rights, they don’t really have any business winning a Weaver-Verlander matchup, even if Jeff has temporarily borrowed the Good Weaver costume the past few weeks.

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404 Responses to “Game 89, Tigers at Mariners”

  1. D. Birinyi on July 15th, 2007 12:43 pm

    So who’s getting the funk slam today?

  2. fetish on July 15th, 2007 12:46 pm

    Jeff Weaver’s new nickname is “Jackpot Jeff”.

    This is the type of game the M’s can steal – it’s getaway day for El Tigres.

  3. Mr. Egaas on July 15th, 2007 12:47 pm

    Broussard at first, Willie at short, Burke catching.

  4. Mr. Egaas on July 15th, 2007 12:47 pm

    And oh yes, Vidro still DHing, Adam Jones in Tacoma.

  5. pygmalion on July 15th, 2007 12:50 pm

    J.J. Putz will hit the Funk Slam tonight. The M’s will lose the DH in the 7th when Broussard pinch hits for Vidro and then gets moved to first. The M’s put Putz in to pitch to the last batter of the 9th after Morrow loads the bases. Putz strikes out his man and comes to bat in the bottom of the 9th, and hits it out with Lopez, Betancourt, and Ichiro on base. Putz’s WPA shoots even higher.

  6. pygmalion on July 15th, 2007 12:51 pm

    3 Okay, apparently my prediction won’t work, since Broussard is already playing. Change it to Sexson hitting for Vidro.

  7. JR Ewing on July 15th, 2007 12:54 pm

    matsuzaka, haren, blanton, halladay, miller, rogers. perhaps verlander will get added to this recent list.

    did anyone collect from kenshabby last night ?

  8. planB on July 15th, 2007 12:54 pm

    2: I kinda like Dream Weaver / Nightmare Weaver.

  9. agingfan on July 15th, 2007 1:00 pm

    Remember what you did in the WS against the Tigers, Jeff. It worked before.

  10. bram on July 15th, 2007 1:04 pm

    August 13th is the 25th anniversary of the release of “Fast Times at Ridgemont High.” Sure, Khalil Green is more of a dead-ringer for Sean Penn, but the meme is funny enough to sustain more than one nickname. The metaphor of Weaver looking back on a wreckage-strewn early season and echoing Spicoli by saying something like “I can fix it! I have an awesome set of pitches,” and (at least so far) *actually succeeding* in spite of himself, is just too much like the film to pass up.

    Happy Spicoli Day!

  11. bram on July 15th, 2007 1:05 pm

    Khali Greene (sorry.)

  12. bram on July 15th, 2007 1:06 pm

    Khalil! (keyboard sticks – sorry again!)

  13. fetish on July 15th, 2007 1:09 pm

    You know, I’m not really buying this “Nightmare Weaver” stuff. He’s been good since returning from the DL; if we presume he was hurt the whole time starting the season (not a stretch) then on some levels we can discount that performance.

    Weaver, Post DL:

    GS 6
    IP 37.2
    ER 7
    BB 8
    K 20
    H 33
    XB
    BF 152

    ERA: 1.67
    BB%: 5.2%
    K% : 13.2%

    That’s pretty good. That’s really good.

  14. bedir on July 15th, 2007 1:12 pm

    And unsustainable. He’s never had that kind of success for an extended period of time. How many guys can do that for dozens of games?

  15. agingfan on July 15th, 2007 1:17 pm

    Feel free to start getting hot anytime now, Ichiro

  16. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 1:17 pm

    can anyone tell me why i pay 160 bucks (or so) for the MLB package on Direct TV and it seems that EVERY day game is “not available in your area?” i live in fucking california…how could i be blacked out?

  17. fetish on July 15th, 2007 1:18 pm

    Whoa. Khalil Greene belongs on the Reggie Cleveland All-Star team

  18. planB on July 15th, 2007 1:18 pm

    I don’t understand what “not buying into it” means. Whatever his future performance is, he was in fact historically awful starting the year.

  19. robd on July 15th, 2007 1:20 pm

    vidro is just boring

  20. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 1:22 pm

    Verlander’s only hitting 95 on the gun today. That seems to be significantly lower than his usual.

  21. StevenJBaughman on July 15th, 2007 1:23 pm

    For those mad at Extra Innings for not showing the game, I found a place online to listen to the game for free: http://www.wxyt.com/

    The local radio station KOMO stream didn’t work.

  22. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 1:23 pm

    go turbo!

  23. planB on July 15th, 2007 1:24 pm

    Groundball. Shocking.

  24. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 1:24 pm

    You know, I sit down, I bitch about Vidro sucking, and then he hits one into the hole to put runners on first and third.

    This team would still be better with Adam Jones.

  25. G-Man on July 15th, 2007 1:24 pm

    Turbo is en fuego.

  26. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 1:25 pm

    Seems like Vidro is the type of hitter that might work vs Verlander. Goodness knows, swinging from the heels would be a bad idea vs him.

  27. ace12 on July 15th, 2007 1:25 pm

    There’s gotta be 16 empty seats behind home plate…

  28. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 1:26 pm

    Vidro is 6 for 13 since Adam Jones was called up to replace him. He must read Keith Law’s column.

  29. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 1:27 pm

    Go Verlander!

  30. planB on July 15th, 2007 1:27 pm

    The difference between a groundball being a single and a GIDP is a butterfly flapping its wings in Africa.

  31. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 1:28 pm

    10: Hmmm…it could be speculated that the early part of JW’s season actually looked WORSE than what was left of that Trans Am in Fast Times! :)

    But, Happy Spicoli Day nonetheless!

  32. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 1:29 pm

    21- tried the link…said it can’t broadcast…

  33. planB on July 15th, 2007 1:30 pm

    Verlander just hit 100 on FSN’s gun.

  34. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 1:31 pm

    Even with one IN…knowing we had two on and NO ONE out, it would suck to leave both of them on.

    Apparently Guillen and Broussard weren’t told about his change up.

  35. michaelfox99 on July 15th, 2007 1:31 pm

    Yeah 28 I thought that was a good idea. First leak that pacman is coming and then see what happens to Vidro. Vidro is better than he’s been playing and we’re better off making moves due to need (such as injury). Still though, the statistical arguments are strong, if jones can deliver in the big leagues is an x-factor.

  36. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 1:31 pm

    That was a wicked, wicked curveball. That’s just not fair.

  37. Troy J on July 15th, 2007 1:32 pm

    sucks to only get a run but ill take the 31 pitch inning

  38. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 1:33 pm

    Hey, let’s look at the bright side: Verlander threw over thirty pitches in the first. That’s a good sign for the rest of the game.

  39. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 1:33 pm

    Beltre just fell for it too.

    The free swinging hackers are gonna have a tough time today apparently. This may be the ONLY game where the guys should be told to “use Vidro’s hitting methods” lol

  40. David* on July 15th, 2007 1:33 pm

    Wow, nice recovery by Verlander. He’s pretty good.

  41. KW on July 15th, 2007 1:33 pm

    The bad sign is that he struck out three in a row.

  42. planB on July 15th, 2007 1:33 pm

    I don’t get the media (etc) focus on Jones replacing Vidro’s bat. There might be a potential offensive upgrade, but most importantly Jones would be a huge defensive upgrade on Ibanez (and at least a wash offensively).

  43. michaelfox99 on July 15th, 2007 1:33 pm

    Wow 31 pitches, I can already smell their bullpen..

  44. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 1:34 pm

    35: Don’t know if I agree with you that Vidro is better than he’s been playing. His OPS is exactly the same this year as it was last year. This may just be the level he is at now. Even if he is better than he’s been playing, he doesn’t hit at the level one would expect of even an average DH. No power and no walks = bad DH.

  45. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 1:34 pm

    getting one and 31 pitches is an okay start…got to get to their pen…

    and dream weaver needs to be lights out against his former boys…

  46. fetish on July 15th, 2007 1:35 pm

    That was the bugs bunny pitch!

  47. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 1:36 pm

    OMG, Adrian!!

  48. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 1:36 pm

    42- jones will hit homers and doubles…and play excellent defense…

  49. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 1:36 pm

    Hi, my name is Adrian Beltre, and I should win a Gold Glove.

  50. hcoguy on July 15th, 2007 1:36 pm

    39.

    Vidro is not a patient hitter.

  51. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 1:37 pm

    Yet another reason Chavez SHOULDN’T be the gold glove recepient every year

  52. hairofthedawg on July 15th, 2007 1:37 pm

    32- just click listen live…I have it on now.

  53. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 1:38 pm

    50

    True, but at least he can make contact in a game like this and isn’t trying to hit it 500 feet.

  54. planB on July 15th, 2007 1:38 pm

    48: Nono, I mean even if he doesn’t do particularly well at the plate, Jones will hit at least as well as Vidro, and field much better than Ibanez. Jones’s offense is of secondary importance to that move, but it seems like that’s all I hear the media talk about.

  55. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 1:38 pm

    I love Ichiro, but he sure can make the most awkward looking catches in center.

  56. michaelfox99 on July 15th, 2007 1:38 pm

    42, Jones has the potential to be a serious upgrade offensively over Vidro, who’s career is clearly in decline. Jones brings some needed power too.

    Sexson needs to turn it up to.

  57. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 1:38 pm

    At the beginning of the game my wife said to me, “It’s too bad that good fielding can’t make up for bad pitching.” Well, dearest, to a certain extent it can. Today’s game is Exhibit A.

  58. fetish on July 15th, 2007 1:39 pm

    Why is Ellison a defensive replacement for Guillen in late innings? Why not Ibanez?

  59. Ralph Malph on July 15th, 2007 1:39 pm

    Tiger announcers don’t think Ichiro is reading the ball very well in this series. Funny routes and a funny stutter step there on the track.

  60. michaelfox99 on July 15th, 2007 1:39 pm

    ooh it is ugly to watch raul run.

  61. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 1:40 pm

    Breaking news: Sean Casey’s left leg has been diagnosed with Parkinson’s.

  62. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 1:40 pm

    52- GOT IT! THANKS!

  63. gomer_kyle on July 15th, 2007 1:41 pm

    I made a bet with my friend who played minor league ball. I bet him dinner and Daniel’s that Weaver was gonna totally suck when he came off the DL. Yep, I can’t wait to pay this bet off.

    I am on the Weaver bandwagon. I don’t care what anyone thinks. To be that bad in the beginning, then come back and be this good is a pretty good testament to his tenaciousness. I’m impressed.

    If he finishes this game well, I will go buy a Weaver jersey.

  64. bram on July 15th, 2007 1:41 pm

    Aloha, Mr. Hand.

  65. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 1:41 pm

    61

    Man, I think even Kenji and Raul would easily take him in a 100M jog, er uh, race

  66. planB on July 15th, 2007 1:42 pm

    57: It definitely can. See Franklin, Ryan, 2001.

  67. michaelfox99 on July 15th, 2007 1:43 pm

    Weaver and the team- comeback story of the year.

  68. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 1:43 pm

    63: This is the nice thing about betting opposite your emotions. If you have to pay off the bet, then you get some joy of the situation.

    Fer instance, go to the betting markets and put money down on the Democrat/Republican candidate in the next Presidential election if you’re a Republican/Democrat. Then, if your guy loses the election at least you’ll win some money off of it.

  69. michaelfox99 on July 15th, 2007 1:44 pm

    1-2 again, seal the deal Jeff.

  70. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 1:44 pm

    You know? I really like this guy they got to replace Weaver after he went on the DL. He looks an awful lot like him, but is about a thousand times better!

  71. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 1:44 pm

    mlb gamecast is ahead of the radio…funny…

  72. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 1:44 pm

    66: So Ryan Franklin has a 351 ERA+ in 45 innings this year. What sign of the apocalypse is that again?

  73. michaelfox99 on July 15th, 2007 1:45 pm

    70, They need to give these ‘roids to the rest of the tea,.

  74. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 1:46 pm

    70: It really is Weaver. It’s just that when the aliens abducted him they trans-reversed his brain. Gephatdization. Forgot to put his eyebrows back on, too.

  75. thowe1 on July 15th, 2007 1:46 pm

    you know, I am starting to feel that Weaver actually may have turned a corner…. Even after his last three starts, I think we all were sitting there waiting for the 6 or 7 run inning to knock him out and destroy the confidence. His breaking ball looks good, fastball isn’t over-powering but he’s definitely getting it done.

    GO JEFF!!

  76. planB on July 15th, 2007 1:46 pm

    Er, ignore the year, remembered wrong.

  77. G-Man on July 15th, 2007 1:47 pm

    How can you not like Jamie Burke?

  78. Sidi on July 15th, 2007 1:47 pm

    Hmm, someone at that Detroit station must have messed up if they aren’t killing the feed for the game. I imagine there may be some serious trouble when MLB gets word that they’re undercutting the MLB radio package.

  79. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 1:49 pm

    Willie!!!

  80. David* on July 15th, 2007 1:49 pm

    Boom-Boom!!

  81. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 1:49 pm

    Say hey, Willie B!

  82. G-Man on July 15th, 2007 1:49 pm

    Ok, Sims, it worked, but Burke still only go to third.

  83. planB on July 15th, 2007 1:49 pm

    The “Go Bombers” sign starts with “Bloomquist”? Ugh.

  84. dotcomse on July 15th, 2007 1:49 pm

    Igniter!

  85. gomer_kyle on July 15th, 2007 1:49 pm

    It’s the Willie and Weaver show.

  86. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 1:49 pm

    Still though, to call a hit and run with Willie Bloomquist batting, Jamie Burke on first, and Justin Verlander pitching…I think I may want Grover back.

  87. Sidi on July 15th, 2007 1:50 pm

    How do you get to second and third with a hit and run double with the runner on first?

    Oh, yeah, that’s how.

  88. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 1:50 pm

    Nothing warms my heart like seeing Ichiro come up when runners are in scoring position.

  89. Norm Charlton Fan Club on July 15th, 2007 1:51 pm

    Did that guys sign just say “Go Mariers”??

  90. Axtell on July 15th, 2007 1:51 pm

    Anyone else like that Verlander has thrown 44 pitches and still isn’t out of the second inning?

  91. planB on July 15th, 2007 1:52 pm

    Nothing fills me with despair like seeing Vidro come up when runners are in scoring position.

  92. Axtell on July 15th, 2007 1:53 pm

    91-

    Nothing fills me with despair like Vidro come up to bat, regardless of the situation.

  93. michaelfox99 on July 15th, 2007 1:55 pm

    norm charlton

  94. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 1:55 pm

    91,92

    Despite my belief that he’s the type of contact hitter that may work better today vs a guy like Velander…

    I sure can’t disagree

  95. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 1:55 pm

    I was in Dodger Stadium two weeks ago to watch a game. Sigs are not allowed in Dodger Stadium, which really sucks. It’s fun to see the cool banners and clever quips that fans are capable of coming up with.

  96. BillPhi2 on July 15th, 2007 1:55 pm

    72: Actually, a 351 ERA for Franklin would indicate the world is proceding as normal. It’s what I’d expect…oh, wait. You probably meant a 3.51 ERA. In that case you are correct. The end is nigh.

  97. fetish on July 15th, 2007 1:55 pm

    Jones would have caught that.

  98. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 1:56 pm

    89: “Mariers” would have been the name of the franchise had we started out in Quebec City. :)

  99. G-Man on July 15th, 2007 1:57 pm

    I’d think the guy in your own dugout would keep yelling so you could “hear” where the dugout was and not keep having to look.

  100. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 1:57 pm

    OK, PlanB, we get it. You don’t like Vidro. Now shut the fuck up about it!

    Congrats, Vidro, on the hit in the first =)

  101. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 1:58 pm

    So, cool stat, Jose Vidro has had 122 plate appearances with a 3-0 count since 2000. Richie Sexson has had 117. What this means, I have no clue.

  102. fetish on July 15th, 2007 1:58 pm

    68: If you’re a Rep, and you bet Dem, you’ll lose your winnings in new taxes and regulatory costs; and there wouldn’t be anything fun to spend your money on anyhow :P

  103. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 1:59 pm

    95: Geez, didn’t know that the Dodgers were still living in the dark ages!

  104. apunetid on July 15th, 2007 1:59 pm

    The radio fellows seem to be a little off track.

  105. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 1:59 pm

    96: I meant 351 ERA+…which equates to a 1.20 ERA!!!!!!

  106. David* on July 15th, 2007 1:59 pm

    Holy shit those are absurd. Who would want one of those things?

  107. John in L.A. on July 15th, 2007 2:00 pm

    I don’t like Vidro, either. Do I have to shut up about it, too?

    Or can I mention that his recent mini-success makes me feel a little sick? That ok?

  108. fetish on July 15th, 2007 2:01 pm

    by the looks of it… what does Ichiro do that Granderson doesn’t? He sure looks good this series.

  109. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:01 pm

    108: Ichiro stretches. And does the cool holding-the-bat-out thing.

  110. John in L.A. on July 15th, 2007 2:02 pm

    96 – ERA+

  111. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:02 pm

    Granderson has an ESPN blog though, so it’s really a tough call.

  112. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 2:04 pm

    The difference between Ichiro and Granderson is about fifty hits a year. Last year, Granderson had 155 hits. This year, he’s on pace for ~190.

    He’s generating more power this year, but he’s never really done so in the past. If this is real improvement, and not just a career year, then the two have similar value.

    Ichiro’s got a lot more track record to rely on thatn Granderson.

  113. BillPhi2 on July 15th, 2007 2:05 pm

    105: Wowsers!! I hadn’t been following Mr. Franklin that closely. Now I must run out and purchase locust insurance.

    102: Good thing this isn’t a political blog, or I’d totally be outsnarking you right now. ;)

  114. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:05 pm

    No one out, two on for the D-Rays in the bottom of the 9th right now. Carlos Pena on deck. Mo about to blow a save. I’m feelin groooooovy :D

  115. bram on July 15th, 2007 2:06 pm

    You’re on dangerous ground here, Mr. Spicoli.

  116. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 2:06 pm

    To follow up, with RC/27 data:

    Ichiro: 7.16
    Granderson: 7.12

    Yeah. Very similar value. Of course, Ichiro’s past seasons have been much better than Granderson’s.

  117. planB on July 15th, 2007 2:07 pm

    It’s nothing personal; I don’t hate him. It’s not my fault he sucks.

  118. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 2:07 pm

    what’s happening live? out of the third yet?

  119. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 2:08 pm

    113: Thank you. While I might personally agree with some political sentiments that may or may not be expressed on this blog, I know that there are others who totally disagree with me.

    And really, smart-ass politics comments usually aren’t nearly as funny as people think they are. And they alienate half your audience.

  120. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:09 pm

    John, what would you do if Vidro hit a grand slam in game seven of the World Series to give us this win? Would you still feel sick? So, yeah, shut the fuck up about him and enjoy the hot streak. As long as Vidro is getting at-bats we should all hope he continues to hit and have quality at bats.

  121. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:10 pm

    116: Definitely agree with you on Ichiro’s better track record. I also am wary of Granderson’s power numbers this year. I don’t know if he can keep those up. He certainly can’t keep up the pace at which he’s hitting triples (16 already). So his .563 slugging is probably a bit misleading, in which case Ichiro is even more valuable than Granderson.

  122. planB on July 15th, 2007 2:11 pm

    what would you do if Vidro hit a grand slam in game seven of the World Series to give us this win?

    What kind of an argument is that? What would you do if HoRam threw a perfect Game 7?

    Please stop with the STFUs…

  123. JR Ewing on July 15th, 2007 2:12 pm

    anyone at the game notice if buffoon froemming is moving at all on those balls hit down the left field line or is he busy shoving candy in mouth ? note his left pocket full of snacks.

  124. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:12 pm

    We’re dangerously close to seeing the Nightmare Weaver…

  125. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:12 pm

    114

    The Rays hit into FOUR dp’s and two others thrown out on the bases (one at home), made three costly mistakes in the field (only one scored an error) and even started the horrific Edwin Jackson. Even so, it STILL took the Yanks until the very end to secure a tight 7-6 win.

    Naturally the Rays’ SS, Harris, just whiffed on two bunt attempts and ended up hitting into a dp to basically kill their last chance for a rally.

    The Yanks’ announcers (listened on XM) even remarked how lucky they were all day.

  126. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:13 pm

    PlanB — I would be happy for the team and for Ho-Ram. Like any true fan.

  127. apunetid on July 15th, 2007 2:13 pm

    Did Bad Weaver come out to relieve Good Weaver after the Infante strikeout?

  128. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:13 pm

    Uh, this at bat is just a wee bit important

  129. ahhruff on July 15th, 2007 2:13 pm

    This isn’t nighmare weaver.

    Detroit’s lineup just has a bunch of quality hitters who are taking what the Dream is giving them.

  130. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 2:14 pm

    This year’s D-Rays are not quite ready for prime time. But that’s an impressive collection of young talent they’ve managed to accumulate.

  131. planB on July 15th, 2007 2:14 pm

    Differentiate between hopes and expectations.

  132. bram on July 15th, 2007 2:14 pm

    Time to fix it, Spicoli.

  133. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:14 pm

    125

    Naturally.

  134. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:14 pm

    The Angels are running away with the game in Texas… c’mon our Weaver!!!

  135. hcoguy on July 15th, 2007 2:14 pm

    JeffS is way out of line.

    Any true fan… leave with the junior high debate club rhetoric.

  136. dotcomse on July 15th, 2007 2:15 pm

    Ichiro! saves the day

  137. BillPhi2 on July 15th, 2007 2:15 pm

    119: Quite welcome. Also, you are correct with everything you said – except I’m sure Willie Bloomquist’s political comments are all scrappy and ignite gritty debate.

  138. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:15 pm

    Dream Weaver prevails…at least for now…duh duh duh!!!!

  139. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:15 pm

    Gotta luv the anti climatic last out that Guillen just hit

  140. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 2:15 pm

    whoo

  141. Axtell on July 15th, 2007 2:15 pm

    120-

    That really necessary? And Vidro hitting a grand slam? haha thanks for the laugh bub.

  142. Otto on July 15th, 2007 2:16 pm

    Weaver worked his way out of a bases loaded jam with the help of our Hundred Million Dollar Man!

  143. Lauren, token chick on July 15th, 2007 2:16 pm

    Weeeeeaver!!

  144. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:16 pm

    I am out of line? I am rooting for our players to succeed — even if it is the blog’s most wanted Vidro or Ho-Ram.

    Remember how many of you were hoping Weaver would get bombed after coming back from the DL?

    What fans wish for players on their team to fail? I don’t get it.

  145. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:18 pm

    Axtell — it was hyperbole to show that people like PlanB still would still hate on Vidro even if he did something as incredible as that.

  146. planB on July 15th, 2007 2:18 pm

    Seriously, wishes and expectations are different.

  147. hcoguy on July 15th, 2007 2:18 pm

    What kind of person repeatedly tells another to shut the fuck up? Hard to believe you say that in person to total strangers every day.

  148. jdam on July 15th, 2007 2:18 pm

    If that was a question, yes, you are out of line. Cheer for players success as much as you want, but no need to curse.

  149. dotcomse on July 15th, 2007 2:19 pm

    Big Ben comes out to a Pearl Jam song???

  150. Otto on July 15th, 2007 2:19 pm

    This isn’t working the count guys make Verlander work!

  151. KW on July 15th, 2007 2:19 pm

    144: It’s long-term vs short-term thinking. If Vidro had done as badly as some people wished he would, 3 months ago, Adam Jones would be batting right now.

  152. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:19 pm

    Hcoguy — if you were sitting in front me in the safe ragging on Vidro after he just had an important hit I would tell you to shut the fuck up. Don’t worry :)

  153. John in L.A. on July 15th, 2007 2:20 pm

    120 – Are you serious with either the “STFU’s” or the “What would you do if…’s?”

    Because both are pretty ridiculous.

    And if you are excited about minimal short term success at the expense of what’s best for the team, then that is your problem, not mine.

    And when you tell another poster to “STFU” because he is being critical of a player, perhaps you should try a different pasttime.

    Or at least a different player to defend, might have to spew random bile at people less often.

  154. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 2:20 pm

    125: Gotta love the Bronx Bombers at their finest!

  155. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 2:21 pm

    Y’know, I wonder if some of these folks are spending more on props to get rally fries than the fries are actually worth.

  156. pygmalion on July 15th, 2007 2:22 pm

    151 That is exactly right. What we all want is the player who will contribute most OVERALL to winning a World Series. Vidro is not that player, and no matter what he does, he isn’t going to be that player. He just isn’t good enough. We want him to do poorly so that the best player available can play, and so in the long run the Mariners will win the most games possible, rather than see rallies defused by GIDP’s.

  157. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:22 pm

    150

    I got up simply to heat up some pizza, and before I can take a bite, Inge is batting?

    What? Are we back to swinging at the first pitch everytime up?

  158. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:22 pm

    John — looks where the team is at right now. Would you trade it in for anything? No way. Who knows, maybe we would be a couple games better with AJ playing than Vidro. But as it stands, Vidro is stuck with the club no matter how much you complain about it. So let’s all support Vidro because we both know the brass isn’t going to pull him anytime soon. Not with the team doing so well.

  159. hcoguy on July 15th, 2007 2:23 pm

    He is going to be pulled soon. That is a fact.

  160. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:23 pm

    Sean Casey should NEVER be able to steal a base in a major league game. I don’t know who’s fault that is, but that’s really sad

  161. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 2:24 pm

    casey steals? WTF?

  162. gomer_kyle on July 15th, 2007 2:25 pm

    I really like Burke, but that was a TERRIBLE throw.

  163. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:25 pm

    The sad things is even with a perfect throw he would’ve been safe

  164. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:25 pm

    144:

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t root for players on my team who are starting ahead of players that are better than they are. I root against Vidro because, even with his current “hot streak,” he shouldn’t be in our starting lineup. Broussard and/or Jones should be getting Vidro’s at bats, and we would be better off for it.

  165. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 2:25 pm

    McLaren needs to get someone warm in the bullpen, pronto. Weaver’s on the verge of a meltdown.

  166. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:26 pm

    0-2 and he hits him

    The slowest guy in the line up steals and we let him

    Well…that’s two outs they likely would’ve given us and evidently we’d have none of it!

  167. Lucky Number on July 15th, 2007 2:26 pm

    #144:

    “What fans wish for players on their team to fail?”

    A team is about more than just one or two players. The team is a team, and we want the team to succeed (i.e. Win games). If there are players on the team that are struggling or just downright suck at baseball then why, as fans of the Mariners team, would we want to see them suck and bring the team down with them?

  168. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 2:27 pm

    good thing they brought up woods for today only…he’s about to get some work…

  169. apunetid on July 15th, 2007 2:28 pm

    6% of Casey’s career steals have come today.

  170. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:28 pm

    I’m rooting for Inge to fail, if that makes ya all feel better

    ;-)

  171. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:28 pm

    158:

    Where are team right now is, in my opinion, a bad spot. There’s no way we can compete with the Angels, Indians, Tigers, Red Sox over the course of the rest of the season and the playoffs. Our chances of making the playoffs are not very good, regardless of what our record is. I’m incredibly worried that Bavasi is going to make a move like trading Adam Jones to Chicago for Jose Contreras. Our team is playing far above our talent level and it simply can’t last. We’ve only outscored our opponents by something like 20 runs all season. Oakland has a better run differential. So, yeah, I would trade where are team is right now for quite a bit.

  172. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:28 pm

    Iceman, but AJ is not with the team. And if Vidro failed today (which is what you want) then this would be a 1-1 game best case. I suppose you value individual performances more than the overall outcome.

  173. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:28 pm

    169

    I wonder how many have NOT been on the back end of a double steal

  174. jdam on July 15th, 2007 2:29 pm

    Are you kidding me? Dream Weaver is fully in control. This is part of his plan. He’s currently making the Tigers hitters overconfident.

  175. planB on July 15th, 2007 2:29 pm

    I never, ever root for an Ms player to fail.

    I am really frustrated with the amount of attention Willie Bloomquist gets, but every time he’s at bat I hope he hits a home run. I said “that’s gotta be his last start” after Weaver’s fourth, fifth, and sixth outings, and each next start I hoped he did well. I would like to see a different GM, but that doesn’t mean I wanted the Ms to lose so Bavasi would get fired; it just means there’d be a bright side if they did.

    Vidro is terrible. He’s hit into more double plays (15) than extra-base hits (14). We have a slow DH with no power hitting second. He hits almost all ground balls, some of which may find a hole, but many others find a glove. That DP total doesn’t even count all the times he would have GIDP, but there wasn’t a runner on first, or there were already two outs. His single this game was great and all, but a fraction-of-a-degree angle different and that was another doubleplay. So it’s a little hard to get excited about. The facts that he sucks and that he frustrates me have nothing to do with me wishing he would succeed, or being glad if he does.

    I am frustrated with him batting because it means the Ms aren’t as good as they could be with an internal move. I want the Ms to be better. Isn’t that being a fan?

  176. fetish on July 15th, 2007 2:29 pm

    Casey doesn’t run well… yet we still let him steal bases on us? The Tigres seem to be embracing the “run when they least expect it” philosophy with Sheffield stealing frequently and running Casey to boot.

  177. Paul B on July 15th, 2007 2:29 pm

    Who knows, maybe we would be a couple games better with AJ playing than Vidro.

    JeffS, go read the following entry,

    http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/08/second-half-suggestions/

    specifically, item #1.

  178. pygmalion on July 15th, 2007 2:30 pm

    172 Apparently you value success in one game over success over a whole season.

  179. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:31 pm

    172:

    Since, in my mind, we aren’t good enough to make the playoffs, much less win the world series, which is the ultimate goal of any franchise, winning a game today (i.e. short term prospects of the team) is not as important as winning games in 2008 and beyond (i.e. long term prospects of the team). That is why I hope Vidro gets benched and Jones gets called up.

  180. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:31 pm

    Iceman, why are you so pessimistic? Seriously, get off it and enjoy it. No offense, but you think like a loser.

  181. bram on July 15th, 2007 2:31 pm

    Don’t worry, Spicoli, you’ll probably squeak by.

  182. tgf on July 15th, 2007 2:31 pm

    I am frustrated with him batting because it means the Ms aren’t as good as they could be with an internal move. I want the Ms to be better. Isn’t that being a fan?

    No, only by blindly cheering for the guys they continue to run out there, and never hoping for better decisions to be made that would help the team are you a “true fan”.

  183. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:32 pm

    How often do you think this?

    It will take a well placed single to score the dude that just stole second base

  184. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 2:32 pm

    Y’know, planB, you’ve been patient in the face of rudeness. I admire that. I don’t know that I could be.

  185. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:32 pm

    On a lighter note…goodness I love watching Sean Casey run. Unintentional comedy at the highest level :D

  186. bram on July 15th, 2007 2:33 pm

    Granderson, you dick!

  187. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:33 pm

    Is there a reason Granderson hits well vs all righties, but absolutely MURDERS the M’s pitching?!

  188. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:33 pm

    Paul B, I agree 110% that AJ should be out in LF and Ibanez should be DH’ing vs lefties ONLY. But the harsh reality is that AJ is not with the club and we are stuck with Vidro. May as well root for Vidro and hope for the best with him.

  189. dotcomse on July 15th, 2007 2:34 pm

    He’s ba-ack!!!

  190. bram on July 15th, 2007 2:34 pm

    “Dude, that was my skull! I’m so wasted!”

  191. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:34 pm

    Jeff, no offense, but I find it incredibly rude to say I think like a “loser” when I have done nothing but respectfully disagreed with your opinion.

  192. Carson on July 15th, 2007 2:34 pm

    Welcome back, Bad Weaver. We knew you were hiding in there somewhere.

  193. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:34 pm

    :’(

  194. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:35 pm

    Nightmare Weaver!

  195. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:35 pm

    Game set match

    Guess that’s what happens when you literally give two outs away vs the best hitting team in baseball.

    Of course with first base open, getting the pitch up to a power hitter is pretty dumb too.

  196. mutpup on July 15th, 2007 2:35 pm

    booo.

    I say boo.

  197. fetish on July 15th, 2007 2:35 pm

    Granderson, this series: 8 for 14, 2 2B, 1 3B 1 HR. 0 BB. .571 OBP, 1.071 SLG

  198. raw1 on July 15th, 2007 2:35 pm

    Alright…get weaver out of there. Enough is enough.

  199. Otto on July 15th, 2007 2:35 pm

    Sitting in Sunny SoCal watching the Mariners on Gamecast and listening to the Angels on cable and I heard the funniest thing in a while.

    After 7 innings I heard the announcer say “Through 7 innings Weaver has been outstanding”

    Spilled beer all over myself laughing

  200. jdam on July 15th, 2007 2:35 pm

    I think its time to starve the troll. On a more uplifting note,we apparently will have a come-from-behind win today instead of the boring leading-the-whole-way variety.

  201. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 2:35 pm

    Well, as Alice Cooper once said, “Welcome to my Nightmare!” :(

  202. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 2:35 pm

    gamecast can’t keep up with the rate that weaver is getting shelled!

  203. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:35 pm

    Iceman, I didn’t call you a loser. I just said you thought like a loser.

  204. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:36 pm

    And Weaver was sooo close to getting his ERA under 6.

  205. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:36 pm

    It’s not over yet!

  206. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:37 pm

    Of course we all know this started last inning when the M’s hitters tried to set the record for quickest lame inning. What Weaver REALLY needed was a nice rest after his long inning before this one.

  207. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:37 pm

    Jeff, which is exactly what I said in my comment, read more closely. And if I say you think like a blind optimist, I hope you won’t take offense to that.

  208. Carson on July 15th, 2007 2:37 pm

    They haven’t given out the rally fries yet, have they?

  209. G-Man on July 15th, 2007 2:37 pm

    Did Rowland-Smith (hereinafter “Hypen”) come up instead of Woods when F-bend was sent down? Or was he up here already?

  210. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:38 pm

    Iceman, I wouldn’t take offense to that at all. Being a blind optimist is quite fun actually :)

  211. Jeff "Spicoli" Weaver on July 15th, 2007 2:38 pm

    Dude, I can fix it!

  212. huhwhat on July 15th, 2007 2:38 pm

    Dammit, I leave for a little and all of a sudden the M’s are down…wtf happened?

  213. pygmalion on July 15th, 2007 2:38 pm

    200 Yeah, I’m still hoping for a Putz Funk Slam.

  214. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:38 pm

    He was here already. Unfortunately so was PRE-DL Weaver

  215. Ralph Malph on July 15th, 2007 2:38 pm

    RR-S never got sent down. He was predicted by many to be sent down when Jones came up but Jones didn’t come up.

  216. John in L.A. on July 15th, 2007 2:39 pm

    “I suppose you value individual performances more than the overall outcome.”

    Wrong. YOU are the one that is valuing individual performance more than the overall outcome.

    Assuming that the overall outcome is the M’s making the playoffs and a WS run.

    I see this happen over and over again in baseball and football -a guy that has no business starting keeps his job far, far longer than he should because of occasional good results.

    It’s bad management and I won’t root for it. And if it takes Vidro going 0-fer to get rid of him as our DH, then I will be happy to see it happen.

    The only exception is if management is SO stupid that they allow the 0-fer to go on so long that is outweighs the benefit of making the move.

    But in that case I start rooting for the 0-fer it takes to get new management. :)

    That does not mean that I am unhappy when we win games because of players I want gone. It just means I have mixed emotions. Shades of grey and all that.

  217. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 2:40 pm

    199: Gah, what kind of clowns are Prime Ticket hiring these days to do Angels games these days?…Oh wait, I think Rex Hudler’s still around!

  218. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:41 pm

    Can we tire Verlander out by making him throw 12 pitches in the last TWO innings?

    Hmmmm…I’m guessing, uh…

    NO

    Geez, even if our side was struck out the last two innings, he’d have to throw at least 18 pitches

  219. Otto on July 15th, 2007 2:41 pm

    Jered Weaver is pitching for the Angels!

    We have the wrong Weaver

  220. Otto on July 15th, 2007 2:42 pm

    Damnit another short inning for the M’s

  221. msb on July 15th, 2007 2:43 pm

    guys, remember the successful plan last night? being patient at the plate? could try that today, too, you know, even if Verlander is throwing more strikes….

  222. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:43 pm

    John, how long have you been a Mariners fan? We both know a few 0-fers for Vidro won’t cause him to lose his job. He will have to have an Everett-esque period of suckiness before he is benched. The team can’t afford for that to happen at this point in the season. So I can’t understand why you will be get personal enjoyment out of seeing Vidro 0-fer game after game.

  223. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:43 pm

    What the hell? I went up to get a soda…literally 20 feet away…and when I come back the inning is already over???

    Mariners Baseball!

  224. _David_ on July 15th, 2007 2:44 pm

    With Weaver throwing tons of pitches and then taking really short rests, doesn’t this pose a gigantic injury threat?

  225. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 2:44 pm

    219: The other JW in for the Angels is not good news for the M’s.

  226. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 2:45 pm

    David — didn’t Weaver appear to be injured during his last start? Any word on what happened?

  227. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:46 pm

    Cleveland beat KC today, LA up on Texas 4-2 in the 7th, Minnesota beats Oakland, and Yankees beat Tampa. No one is helping us out today :(

  228. msb on July 15th, 2007 2:46 pm

    Dammit, I leave for a little and all of a sudden the M’s are down…wtf happened?

    Top 4th: Detroit
    - C. Granderson doubled to deep right, S. Casey scored, M. Rabelo to third
    - M. Thames homered to deep left, M. Rabelo and C. Granderson scored

  229. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:47 pm

    Cubbies won again though…Sweet Lou’s got them-a-rollin’ right now.

  230. Lauren, token chick on July 15th, 2007 2:49 pm

    In spite of the score so far, it doesn’t seem like Weaver has regressed to his pre-DL form. That’s a good thing… right?

    Go Rangers!

  231. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 2:50 pm

    230: Detroit is one of the best hitting teams in baseball. Weaver doesn’t look his best today, but he’s not getting pummeled by a bad team like he did earlier this year.

  232. Otto on July 15th, 2007 2:51 pm

    Rangers with a lead off double! one out now

  233. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:51 pm

    230:

    11 baserunners in 5 innings and 4 extra base hits is still not something to be excited over. I guess since it’s Detroit that’s hitting him hard we can give him a one game reprieve.

  234. robbbbbb on July 15th, 2007 2:52 pm

    Willie, lean into that pitch, would you?

  235. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:52 pm

    Willie B!

  236. Lauren, token chick on July 15th, 2007 2:52 pm

    I have to admit, those giant rally fries are pretty awesome. Regardless of expense.

  237. pygmalion on July 15th, 2007 2:53 pm

    230 Weaver just pitched 5 innings and gave up 5 runs to a good lineup. That looks a lot more like “mediocre Weaver” than either of his other identities, “Dream Weaver” (I’d expect 1 or 2 runs) or pre-DL “Nightmare Weaver” (I’d expect 9 runs in 3 IP).

  238. Carson on July 15th, 2007 2:53 pm

    You son of a monkey’s butt, Verlander!

  239. Otto on July 15th, 2007 2:53 pm

    3-4 Rangers

  240. Otto on July 15th, 2007 2:54 pm

    Where did he get hit?

  241. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 2:54 pm

    gamecast says injury delay….is ichiro hurt?

  242. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 2:55 pm

    240: Looked like the side of the right knee.

  243. Lauren, token chick on July 15th, 2007 2:55 pm

    Robbbbbbb! Jinxing Ichiro!

  244. Sidi on July 15th, 2007 2:55 pm

    Ichiro seems ok, he got hit on the knee but doesn’t seem to be limping. He’s staying out there.

  245. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:55 pm

    Verlander clearly meant to throw that inside, but even though he wasn’t trying to hit him and bring the tying run up, he should be a lot more careful when he’s throwing near 100 mph.

  246. beckya57 on July 15th, 2007 2:55 pm

    #240–looks like the outer R thigh, just above the kneecap. Not likely to put him out of commission, but it’s got to smart. Not Verlander’s fault, the pitch just got away from him I think.

  247. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 2:55 pm

    230: Not a pretty line for Weaver today…but yeah, at least the Tigers are NOT the Royals.

  248. flash_33 on July 15th, 2007 2:55 pm

    Ichiro got hit JUST above the knee. One more inch lower and he’s be out of the game. He is on first a limping a tad but we’ll see how he does on the bases.

  249. Carson on July 15th, 2007 2:56 pm

    Rally Fry inning may strike again. No way Vidro GIDP.

  250. Lauren, token chick on July 15th, 2007 2:56 pm

    Rangers tie it!

  251. Otto on July 15th, 2007 2:56 pm

    Go Rangers 4-4

  252. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:56 pm

    Uh, when did THAT become a strike?

  253. Carson on July 15th, 2007 2:57 pm

    ..but he can strike out looking. Although, that right there may actually save the inning. Maybe Mac told him he’s not allowed to swing unless they put it on a tee.

  254. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 2:57 pm

    Go Rangers!

  255. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 2:59 pm

    We REALLY must hate walks. Tell me that wasn’t a 3-0 count.

    I know he swung at a strike, but the fifth pitch might have been a ball

    Utterly stupid

  256. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 2:59 pm

    gamecast shows raul hitting ball four? accurate?

  257. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 3:00 pm

    It was marginal

    Raul has hardly shown enough power this year to warrant taking a pitcher off the ropes.

  258. ahhruff on July 15th, 2007 3:00 pm

    Give Jose the hammer here and he’s done.

  259. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 3:01 pm

    Heads up Willie! :)

  260. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 3:01 pm

    Ichiro just got pulled.

  261. DAMellen on July 15th, 2007 3:02 pm

    Shit. So how broken is Ichiro?

  262. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 3:02 pm

    Oh, no. Poor, Ichiro :(

  263. John in L.A. on July 15th, 2007 3:02 pm

    222-
    “John, how long have you been a Mariners fan?”

    At a guess, judging only by your posts and your STFU’s, probably longer than you have been alive.

    But, honestly, 20 years of that I was massively ignorant of any subtleties of the game.

    “We both know a few 0-fers for Vidro won’t cause him to lose his job.”

    Maybe you know that, I don’t. I know the Mariners were/are close to pulling the trigger, and history tells me that any success doesn’t make that easier.

    There is a point of sucking that demands action, even for this FO. I don’t want that point delayed any longer than necessary.

    “The team can’t afford for that to happen at this point in the season.”

    Did you not read my caveat? Or did you just ignore it?

    “So I can’t understand why you will be get personal enjoyment out of seeing Vidro 0-fer game after game. ”

    It’s like you don’t even read the posts responding to you.

  264. Ralph Malph on July 15th, 2007 3:02 pm

    Oh. My. God.

  265. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 3:02 pm

    is ichi hurt?

  266. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 3:03 pm

    I think he’s probably just sore…I’d expect him maybe to sit tomorrow, but he’s not badly hurt.

  267. Carson on July 15th, 2007 3:03 pm

    Why is Allen Wirtala in the dugout? I know he is the S&C coach, but he was also the bullpen catcher forever.

  268. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 3:05 pm

    so how about when they send woods down tomorrow for ramirez, they also send Rowland-Smith down for Jones and let Jones play center…

  269. IdahoInvader on July 15th, 2007 3:05 pm

    Oh yeah…like hitting a short dunker to Raul is even fair

  270. pygmalion on July 15th, 2007 3:05 pm

    Ibanez – Bloomquist – Guillen: This outfield is Exhibit B of why Adam Jones needs to join the club immediately.

  271. tgf on July 15th, 2007 3:06 pm

    Jones 3 for 3 with an HR today. But I’m a “real fan” so….go Turbo!!!!!!

  272. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 3:06 pm

    As Mariner Nation holds its collective breath…

  273. iceman21287 on July 15th, 2007 3:08 pm

    I love Jamie, but he has been brutal behind the plate today.

  274. Carson on July 15th, 2007 3:08 pm

    Ichiro getting hurt could end up being a good thing (assuming it’s only a couple day thing), because you’d think (or, at least like to) that would mean an immediate calling up of AJ.

  275. Teej on July 15th, 2007 3:08 pm

    271: Hilarious.

  276. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 3:09 pm

    GO TEXAS!!!!

  277. Jeff Spicoli on July 15th, 2007 3:09 pm

    Don’t worry, dude, I can fix it.

  278. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 3:10 pm

    TGF — root for them both — that’s what a true fan would do :)

  279. Otto on July 15th, 2007 3:10 pm

    Time to pull Weaver. He has nothing left in the tank.

  280. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 3:11 pm

    so you bring woods up for one day, knowing he’s going back tomorrow, and you don’t use him but use a guy with no control…fucking genius…

  281. G-Man on July 15th, 2007 3:11 pm

    Hmm, Ichiro getting plunked would be an interesting excuse to bring up Jones.

  282. Teej on July 15th, 2007 3:11 pm

    Rooting for Vidro is different from pretending that Vidro is good.

  283. ndrfx on July 15th, 2007 3:14 pm

    Take out Weaver, put in Morrow. You’re screwed either way!

  284. DAMellen on July 15th, 2007 3:14 pm

    Adam Jones is kicking ass.

  285. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 3:15 pm

    Teej — exactly. Vidro isn’t very good, but we should still hope for the best with him.

  286. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 3:15 pm

    YEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!! AWESOME PITCH!!!!

  287. ndrfx on July 15th, 2007 3:15 pm

    Hey, let’s pitch around Sheff, and then get MAGLIO! Jesus this sucks.

  288. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 3:16 pm

    STFU, Teej. Good Morrow could be very effective in this situation. We need K’s.

  289. fetish on July 15th, 2007 3:16 pm

    I suspect the Umps are encouraged not to eject players immediately for having a negative reaction to a call. If Thames hadn’t calmed down quickly I’m sure he would have been tossed.

  290. msb on July 15th, 2007 3:16 pm

    boy, they sure aren’t making it easy on Burke today….

  291. tgf on July 15th, 2007 3:17 pm

    TGF — root for them both — that’s what a true fan would do

    Um, OK, but I don’t give a rat’s ass if Tacoma wins a PCL title.

  292. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 3:20 pm

    TGF — AJ will be up soon… don’t worry!

  293. Ralph Malph on July 15th, 2007 3:20 pm

    8 strikes, 15 balls, 2 wild pitches, 2 walks: I don’t think that’s very good.

  294. bhsmarine on July 15th, 2007 3:21 pm

    Right now it looks like Morrow is trying to get sent down to Tacoma. Try throwing in that strike zone thing.

  295. Lauren, token chick on July 15th, 2007 3:21 pm

    The presence of JeffS is not making this hell any more enjoyable.

    *scowl*

  296. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 3:21 pm

    On the bright side Texas got out of a huge jam in the 8th…

  297. Teej on July 15th, 2007 3:22 pm

    Um, I didn’t say anything about Morrow, but regardless . . . he’s not helping the team.

  298. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 3:22 pm

    293: That’s almost a Feierabend line, in fact.

  299. Ralph Malph on July 15th, 2007 3:23 pm

    No, a Feierabend line would include 4 hits and 2 HR’s. But close.

  300. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 3:23 pm

    again, no woods…why bring him up if they don’t use him…jesus…he’s going back down tomorrow and we are losing…save the pen…fuck…

  301. hcoguy on July 15th, 2007 3:23 pm

    288. he could be, but recent history tells us he’s not as his control is basically non-existent.

  302. shortbus on July 15th, 2007 3:24 pm

    I strongly disagree that there’s anything good about Ichiro being hurt. Even if it means AJ gets the call sooner, it also means Ichiro is hurt!! You can’t afford to go four or five days without the Ichi mojo.

  303. tgf on July 15th, 2007 3:24 pm

    The Gameday image of balls and strikes thrown by Morrow to Guillen looked a bit like the shot pattern of a Dick Cheney hunting trip.

  304. Ralph Malph on July 15th, 2007 3:24 pm

    I am becoming afraid that keeping Morrow in the majors to struggle like this with his control is running a great risk with his career. I do not want him to have the career path of Rick Ankiel.

  305. dotcomse on July 15th, 2007 3:24 pm

    Son of a gun!

  306. msb on July 15th, 2007 3:25 pm

    dang, these Tigers seem to want to win.

  307. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 3:25 pm

    so woods goes down tomorrow for ramirez…that’s already a done deal…but i hope we also see:

    rowland-smith down for jones
    morrow down for mikolio

  308. _David_ on July 15th, 2007 3:25 pm

    I missed it, what’s up with Ichiro?

  309. G-Man on July 15th, 2007 3:26 pm

    Nice play by Detroit. That’s good one to try on a LH first baseman.

  310. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 3:26 pm

    Don’t get me wrong, I like Burkie, BUT…he’s not exactly reminding anyone of Carlton Fisk defensively today.

  311. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 3:27 pm

    did sheff really steal home?

  312. agingfan on July 15th, 2007 3:27 pm

    We’re going to get a series split against maybe the best team in baseball. If Ichiro is ok, this was a pretty good series for the Ms. If he’s not, this was an unmitigated disaster.

  313. planB on July 15th, 2007 3:27 pm

    302: Word.

  314. Paul B on July 15th, 2007 3:27 pm

    JeffS Says:

    John, how long have you been a Mariners fan? We both know a few 0-fers for Vidro won’t cause him to lose his job. He will have to have an Everett-esque period of suckiness before he is benched. The team can’t afford for that to happen at this point in the season.

    Vidro OPS 2007: .707
    Everett OPS 2006: .657

    Not much difference between them. So apparently the team can afford to have that happen to them at this point in the season.

  315. hcoguy on July 15th, 2007 3:28 pm

    Have to give Detroit credit, all year they have made the most of their opponent’s miscues. Probably made an effort to do that after the world series.

  316. huhwhat on July 15th, 2007 3:28 pm

    300 – So your saying bring Woods in because the game’s over.

  317. planB on July 15th, 2007 3:28 pm

    308: He got hit by a pitch, just above the knee. No word on whether he’s seriously injured.

  318. bhsmarine on July 15th, 2007 3:30 pm

    312- I agree. A split against the Tigers is good for any team in baseball. They just need to hope Ichiro is healthy, and since it was a pitch that hit him I imagine its just swelling. He didn’t pull or tear anything in the knee so no need to call up Doyle and ask for his doctor.

  319. dislocated on July 15th, 2007 3:30 pm

    Has everyone given up already? With 80 pitches already we may be able to chase Verlander out in the 6th, and get back a few runs. In previous years I’d give up and go back to yard work, but these guys have me believing. I’ll call it here, 3 runs this inning, Verlander out, and the Tigers go to their shitty bullpen. M’s win series 3-1.

  320. huhwhat on July 15th, 2007 3:30 pm

    312 – Only if Texas can pull out a win to keep the lead over the M’s to only 3 games.

  321. msb on July 15th, 2007 3:31 pm

    #267– Wirtala still takes time in the bullpen, but he hasn’t been the only guy out there in years. When he was with the team as Ichiro’s translator, Allen Turner taught himself to be bullpen catcher, and the last few years Dominic Woody, and now Brian Schweiger work out there.

  322. JR Ewing on July 15th, 2007 3:33 pm

    hey bako, have you seen the tigers pen ? that’s why o’flaherty finished the inning, now they’ll bring in rowland-smith. and yes sheffield stole home, he went when o’flaherty threw to frist. he was going all the way.

  323. dislocated on July 15th, 2007 3:33 pm

    Okay… I was wrong…

  324. agingfan on July 15th, 2007 3:34 pm

    If Ichiro’s knee was swelling a lot, I am sure the trainer said get him out of the game and get ice on it immediately; the swelling can create real problems if it is not dealt with immediately.
    And while it would be great if Texas pulled out a win, the Angels will have to play the Tigers again, too, and they will also be glad if they get out with a split.

  325. planB on July 15th, 2007 3:34 pm

    There’s still a 3% chance we’ll come back!

  326. dislocated on July 15th, 2007 3:36 pm

    what’s a $5 bet on 3% odds net with a win?

  327. dotcomse on July 15th, 2007 3:36 pm

    Anecdotally, the 7th has been our comeback inning. Let’s hope there’s some synergy with all those rslly fries and we can get this thing movin’.

  328. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 3:36 pm

    302: I agree. Though there’s probably one or two folks out there who might argue “Well, look how well we played in ’95 when Junior got hurt,” it should remembered that we had a DH who could hit with power, a 1B hitting 90 points than our current one, and a RF who, at times, was carrying the team.

    That said, I hope and pray that Ichiro is not out for any extended length of time.

  329. BillPhi2 on July 15th, 2007 3:37 pm

    We still have plenty of games left against the Angels. I understand playoff math isn’t on the M’s side, but I can’t get upset at splitting with the Tigers.

  330. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 3:39 pm

    Geez, when Infante goes yard on you, you know it’s probably game.

  331. dislocated on July 15th, 2007 3:39 pm

    I think that 3% just dropped to .001%. Damn, I really wanted this one!

  332. pygmalion on July 15th, 2007 3:40 pm

    The M’s are finding as many ways to lose this game as they can; hitting bad hitters with pitches, allowing slow players to steal, and slap-hitters to hit bombs.

  333. ahhruff on July 15th, 2007 3:40 pm

    #326

    Your $5 bet would pay your roughly $166.

  334. huhwhat on July 15th, 2007 3:40 pm

    324 – Yeah but the Angels next series is vs. Tampa, and the Angels get to play the Tigers at home for a 3 game set where the Angels have the 2nd best record in the majors at home.

  335. planB on July 15th, 2007 3:40 pm

    All sports are equally ridiculous. Go Ms!

  336. planB on July 15th, 2007 3:41 pm

    Your $5 bet would pay your roughly $166.

    So if you made that bet 100 times, you’d be out $319?

  337. dislocated on July 15th, 2007 3:42 pm

    Good thing I didn’t waste that 5 bucks at this point… but with the odds getting worse here, I think I’ll place a 5 spot on the comeback. It’s gotta be worth $200 at this point. That’d come close to a plane ticket home to see the boys play!

  338. JR Ewing on July 15th, 2007 3:43 pm

    .326 live markets would have the mariners for sell at
    1-3 units per share right now, if the mariners win, that share would be worth 100 units.

  339. ahhruff on July 15th, 2007 3:45 pm

    If they had a 3% chance of winning and you bet it $100 times.

    97 losses x $5 = -485
    3 Win x $156 + $15 (your intial bet) = 485

    It’s more like $156 per win. Small math error on my part. Of course in Vegas the house would take a healthy cut assuring you’d lose regardless.

  340. dislocated on July 15th, 2007 3:46 pm

    Anyone else think Yuni needs some of that Willie “Mays” Hayes treatment? Pushups for every popout baby!

  341. pygmalion on July 15th, 2007 3:46 pm

    336 Apparently you’ve never heard of “World Ball.” It was “invented” in the 1960′s I think and had essentially no rules except “don’t hurt other players.” It consisted in constructing a gigantic ball of out I don’t know what, a large number of persons gathering together in a large open area such as a park, and then everyone doing whatever they wished with the ball, pushing it, climbing on it, letting it roll over them, whatever.

    There was no winning or losing and no goal except doing whatever you felt like.

    That was a ridiculous sport.

  342. planB on July 15th, 2007 3:46 pm

    Haha! “Must… hit… doubles…”

  343. G-Man on July 15th, 2007 3:48 pm

    Thigh? Funny place for a thigh!

  344. msb on July 15th, 2007 3:49 pm

    ‘contusion on the side of his knee’ sez Rizzs

  345. kenshabby on July 15th, 2007 3:49 pm

    While I’m glad that the A’s are basically out of it now (no 2nd half run this year, no way), it seems that the Twins are now in it. Let’s just hope that the damnable Yankees don’t get hot.

  346. agingfan on July 15th, 2007 3:49 pm

    #335
    Hmmm, that does not sound so good.
    But I am still happy with a split against the Tigers. Not only do I hope that Ichiro is fine, I hope that Lowe is fine and will take Morrow’s place, that Jones will be up soon, that Broussard will be worked into various platoons so he always faces right handed pitchers and … well …
    OK, the radio just said Ichiro has a contusion on his thigh, so that should be ok with any luck.
    Vidro and Ibanez just hit doubles so I feel like breaking into song:
    Theeeee sun will come out tomorrowww
    Bet your bottom dollarrrr

  347. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 3:50 pm

    343: Almost sounds a little like “Baseketball”! :)

  348. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 3:53 pm

    A contusion (bruise) is not a break at least, so that’s good.

  349. huhwhat on July 15th, 2007 3:55 pm

    truth master- You should spend your time learning how to spell, “yakking” not “yaking”, and “useful” not “usefull” and it’s “wasting” not “waisting”

  350. JR Ewing on July 15th, 2007 3:55 pm

    perhaps one of the enterprising win probability guys/gals could build a an excel sheet with fancy line graphs that track “win probability” with the “live betting markets” and then do a real time comparison, and then pick your spots to invest.

  351. planB on July 15th, 2007 3:55 pm

    Ken Levine called the diamonds on the baserunner graphic “triangles”, and Dave Sims just called the diamonds on a scorecard “squares”.

  352. smb on July 15th, 2007 3:57 pm

    343: I picture an “umpire” with a bong

  353. (Expletive) Dave Samson on July 15th, 2007 3:57 pm

    Well, this game certainly sucks.

  354. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 3:57 pm

    354: Wonder if they passed Geometry in high school? :)

  355. Lauren, token chick on July 15th, 2007 3:58 pm

    Excellent; Rangers-Angels go into the 11th and K-Rod’s out of the game.

  356. kenshabby on July 15th, 2007 3:59 pm

    Glad we went to last night’s affair and not this horrible mess. Last night was super-duper fun. Now the M’s are 3-10 in games I’ve attended at the Safe!

  357. pygmalion on July 15th, 2007 4:01 pm

    355 I’m pretty sure that was the case.

    But it might have been standard equipment issue for players too ;)

  358. Lauren, token chick on July 15th, 2007 4:02 pm

    Yes! Teixeira homers.

  359. planB on July 15th, 2007 4:03 pm

    Woo! Teixera just hit a home run, Rangers up 5-4 in the 11th.

  360. terry on July 15th, 2007 4:09 pm

    At what point do we begin accepting that the Ms drafted a middle reliever in their first round last season?

    The Morrow experiment has really turned into a line on the pitcher development abuse list.

    On another note, anyone up for sending Wlad to Cincinnati for Arroyo?

  361. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 4:12 pm

    363: Interesting — Arroyo may not be the Second Coming of Clemens, but at least he’s an innings-eater with post-season experience.

  362. kenshabby on July 15th, 2007 4:12 pm

    I’m worried about the Baltimore series. Tomorrow HoRam is pitching, and the next two days we face their best two pitchers in Guthrie and Bedard.

  363. agingfan on July 15th, 2007 4:12 pm

    I’m up for Morrow going to the minors and learning how to throw a split finger.

  364. smb on July 15th, 2007 4:14 pm

    If not a splitter then a good breaking ball and a change. FB his out pitch. He can still be good.

  365. Lauren, token chick on July 15th, 2007 4:14 pm

    And Texas wins. Are we bringing Putz in as a pinch-hitter this inning or what?

  366. planB on July 15th, 2007 4:15 pm

    Angels lose.

  367. Lauren, token chick on July 15th, 2007 4:16 pm

    planB: You gotta type faster to keep up with me. :>

  368. dislocated on July 15th, 2007 4:16 pm

    Wlad goes nowhere! I want my 2008 outfield to be Jones, Ichiro, Wlad. Now that’s scary. I’m all for dealing Guillen if we have to. I loved the idea of Clement/Reed + whatever(as long as it’s not Wlad or Jones) for Willis. Okay, enough rosterbation… back to rooting for Texas

  369. planB on July 15th, 2007 4:16 pm

    :)

  370. agingfan on July 15th, 2007 4:16 pm

    Yeah, it is way to soon to give up on Morrow.

  371. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 4:16 pm

    365: I think the key to the O’s is to get to their bullpen ASAP. We nailed those guys in the late innings twice in that last series with them.

  372. Axtell on July 15th, 2007 4:19 pm

    While I would love the M’s to take 3 of 4 from the Tigers, a series split is really fantastic. This Tigers team is among the best in baseball, with arguably the best lineup in the bigs…and we stayed with them (well not so much today).

    I have to think if we can split series like this from really hot teams and take 2/3 and 3/4 from the teams we are supposed to beat (like Baltimore), we’ll be just fine.

    Is it just me, or is that 6 game slide to those very bad NL teams looking really, really big right now?

  373. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 4:20 pm

    Angels actually LOSE for a change? I would run out and get my locust insurance too, but of course, we most likely wind up losing again on the SAME day! >:(

  374. kenshabby on July 15th, 2007 4:22 pm

    Vidro’s at-bat song at Safeco should be Judas Priest’s “Turbo Lover”.

  375. huhwhat on July 15th, 2007 4:23 pm

    363 – Personally I think Arroyo sucks (just my opinion), hasn’t the guy been early season Weaver bad in his last 10 starts. He lasted 2 innings and gave up 6 earned runs to the Nationals, and then to follow that up in his next start lasted 4 innings and gave up another 6 earned runs to the Pirates.

    Isn’t it enough the M’s have Weaver, Batista, and HoRam in the rotation. I just don’t see the logic of having 4(if Arroyo joined) barely mediocre N.L. starting pitchers who have no out pitches in a A.L. rotation.

    366 – You do know, his second best pitch is a split, and he has a slider.

  376. lyt on July 15th, 2007 4:23 pm

    Morrow needs to be in Tacoma!!! Him being here is not helping the team to many walks and to many runs gave up

  377. bakomariner on July 15th, 2007 4:23 pm

    vidro is terrible…worst DH in baseball…period…

  378. The Unknown Comic on July 15th, 2007 4:25 pm

    Completely devoid of all Sabermetric analysis and going solely on blind emotion and irrational sentiment this series has left me feeling the Mariners really don’t have that much of a chance.

  379. agingfan on July 15th, 2007 4:25 pm

    #378
    I have been told that he has a splitter and a slider. I have only seen him throw fastballs and an occasional slider for a ball.

  380. planB on July 15th, 2007 4:26 pm

    Woo Guillen! Crushed.

  381. Tae Bo Jackson on July 15th, 2007 4:27 pm

    Guillen.

  382. Teej on July 15th, 2007 4:28 pm

    You do know, his second best pitch is a split, and he has a slider.

    When your second- and third-best pitches aren’t suitable for use in the major leagues, it’s kind of irrelevant. He needs to be working on those pitches in the minors.

  383. lyt on July 15th, 2007 4:28 pm

    If the mariners don’t get pitching help this whole thing is going to unravel there looking like there coming back to earth!!!

  384. _David_ on July 15th, 2007 4:29 pm

    Our WPA is up to 0%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  385. _David_ on July 15th, 2007 4:29 pm

    I meant W.E. Whatever.

  386. huhwhat on July 15th, 2007 4:30 pm

    382 – His last outing he threw plenty of breaking stuff, he needs a solid change and even more than that command. His last outing he 9 of his 19 pitches were breaking balls.

  387. huhwhat on July 15th, 2007 4:33 pm

    385 – I have to argue his split is suitable, not great, but what makes the split work, commanding your fastball, without command of his fastball, his split can’t be used effectively and thats his issue, command…but his slider sucks.

  388. scott19 on July 15th, 2007 4:33 pm

    Horrid game…but we did at least get a split in a four-game against one of the toughest teams in the league, and I’ll always take that.

  389. huhwhat on July 15th, 2007 4:33 pm

    385 – Also I agree he should be in the minors working on everything.

  390. agingfan on July 15th, 2007 4:40 pm

    #389
    I’ll take your word. When I see the game live I avoid looking at the radar readings: trying to see the ball the way the hitter sees it (atavistic impulses). So I’ll confess I see only fastball, breaking ball, changeup, and any pitch not near the strike zone I have trouble reading at all.

  391. JeffS on July 15th, 2007 5:04 pm

    Sucks to lose today, but congrats to the team for splitting with the tough Tigers. Lets hope Ichi will be OK.

  392. cgmonk on July 15th, 2007 5:30 pm

    Oh no! The Mariners lost, the ship is sinking! We’ve only won 15 of our last 21!

  393. Otto on July 15th, 2007 6:19 pm

    Well at least Texas took out the surging Angels so we at least keep pace.

  394. Will on July 15th, 2007 7:04 pm

    I really dislike Vidro. Bat him lower from now on, eh, McLaren?

  395. DizzleChizzle on July 15th, 2007 8:01 pm

    383. Relax buddy, so they lost a game against IMO the best team in baseball. It doesn’t mean the wheels are falling off quite yet.

  396. Max Power on July 15th, 2007 8:02 pm

    Seattle LHP Woods designated for assignment

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=2937821

  397. Mr. Egaas on July 15th, 2007 8:43 pm

    Just making room for Ho-Ram. Guess the M’s were done with Woods, didn’t he still have options left?

  398. Will on July 15th, 2007 10:02 pm

    397-Why not send Woods down then, if they were making room for Ramirez or why not send Rowland-Smith down?

  399. KenLevine on July 15th, 2007 10:08 pm

    I know it’s not on subject but thanks to all of you who commented on my fill-on stint broadcasting for the M’s last week. Even the negative comments.

    It was a crazy situation, especially being thrown onto the telecast and then that crazy play, but I had a great time, I love the Mariners, and although I was a little rusty and my voice is my voice, I think I conveyed the joy I felt being there and covering the M’s. And I think you could follow what was going on.

    In any event, this is a terrific blog. And I learn more about the team from you guys than from anywhere else.

    If anyone is interested, I have a blog as well. It’s more humor oriented. But for those who do enjoy my act, I invite you to check it out. Today I have posted my travelogue on my Seattle trip.

    http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/

    Thanks again.

    Ken Levine

  400. Jigga8481 on July 15th, 2007 10:12 pm

    Kenny, I’m only 25 but I remember your days as the color guy very fondly. I would have really enjoyed listening to the crazy stuff you could have come up with during that 17-3 game in KC last week. Needless to say I was very excited to hear you were doing the games this weekend and hope there will be more. Take this as a compliment, you are no David Henderson.

  401. smb on July 15th, 2007 11:20 pm

    Ken,

    Cheers!

    Mariner Nation

  402. thenatural on July 15th, 2007 11:24 pm

    Ken, I really enjoyed your commentary… it was a great break from the norm, and I hope you come back to do it again sometime soon.
    Also, I love your blog… its fantastic.

  403. The Unknown Comic on July 16th, 2007 5:27 pm

    #399

    Some of the people treated you like they do Willie Bloomquist :) but I enjoyed listening to you.

  404. fdeezle on July 18th, 2007 5:56 pm

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