Game 90, Orioles at Mariners

Dave · July 16, 2007 at 6:39 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Burress vs Ramirez, 7:05 pm.

Horacio Ramirez is not a major league quality starting pitcher. The Baltimore Orioles aren’t a major league quality team. Resistible object, meet the movable force.

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347 Responses to “Game 90, Orioles at Mariners”

  1. thewyrm on July 16th, 2007 6:41 pm

    Boy, this sure would have been a great time to put Jones into the lineup. A hobbled Ichiro and playing a below average MLB team. *sigh*

  2. dw on July 16th, 2007 6:43 pm

    The A’s dumped Kendall to the Cubs. Beane’s putting up the white flag.

    It’s a two-team race now.

  3. Jigga8481 on July 16th, 2007 6:44 pm

    Exactly how does dumping Jason Kendall hurt the A’s?

  4. bhsmarine on July 16th, 2007 6:46 pm

    2- Before it was a two team race now Beane is making his moves.

  5. PhilKenSebben on July 16th, 2007 6:46 pm

    #2

    Addition by subtraction

  6. Jigga8481 on July 16th, 2007 6:48 pm

    Bill Krueger thinks that Ho-Ram should show no signs of rust after his long layoff. Is anyone else curious how bad a rusty Ho-Ram could be?

  7. Steve T on July 16th, 2007 6:49 pm

    What the hell do the Cubs want with him?

  8. Jigga8481 on July 16th, 2007 6:49 pm

    Lou likes washed up catchers?

  9. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 6:49 pm

    The animated microphones were hopping around the screen on FSN, and my wife said “what are those Pez dispensers?”

  10. Steve T on July 16th, 2007 6:50 pm

    Well, if Ho-Ram was REALLY rusty, he wouldn’t be able to get his arm all the way around, and every pitch would either bounce a foot in front of the mound, or be a balk. Six consecutive balks to open a game? Yeah, that would be worse than regular or oiled-up Ho-Ram.

  11. terry on July 16th, 2007 6:51 pm

    I’m not sure dumping Kendall is waving a white flag…. Beane’s probably saving somewhere around $2M….maybe for the future….maybe for another domino…

  12. Jay R. on July 16th, 2007 6:51 pm

    Unfortunately, he will probably throw a decent game against a bad team, fooling everyone into thinking that he can be a component in a postseason-bound team (much as Weaver did until he was shown up by a good team over the weekend).

  13. bhsmarine on July 16th, 2007 6:52 pm

    I hope HoRam took whatever Weaver did while he was on the DL to turn into an asset for this team.

  14. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 6:52 pm

    Haha, they are pugging Green now. GG Dave.

  15. thewyrm on July 16th, 2007 6:52 pm

    FSN Live just mentioned it is time to give Sean Green his due. Brad Adam must check USSMariner before the telecast. :)

  16. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 6:53 pm

    *plugging

  17. Mr. Egaas on July 16th, 2007 6:53 pm

    It was worth dumping Kendall for a bag of sunflower seeds. The fact that they got some guys that might turn into something interesting is just bonus.

  18. johnb on July 16th, 2007 6:53 pm

    Great move by Beane, we should call the Cub’s and aske if they have a spot for Vidro. Seriously, an interesting move since Kendall isn’t exactly Lou’s type of player.

  19. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 6:54 pm

    I think the Cubs traded their starting catcher a little while ago, to San Diego. I guess they decided they needed a catcher.

  20. thewyrm on July 16th, 2007 6:55 pm

    Yeah the ESPN announcers reacted like it was an absolutely brilliant move by the Cubs front office. I was like “Wait a minute, hasn’t Kendall been God aweful this year?”

  21. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 6:58 pm

    #6 No rust huh? Perfect! So we can expect the usual game from Horacio where the M’s take the lead in one inning and Horacio gives it right back in the next inning. M’s take the lead in the next inning again and Horacio gives it right back again in the very next inning. I don’t want to get repetitive.

  22. Jigga8481 on July 16th, 2007 6:59 pm

    #21 – I suppose the best gameplan would be to not score until he is out of the game.

  23. Carson on July 16th, 2007 7:01 pm

    4 (Jigga8481) – What Bill meant was, HoRam sucked already, so it will be difficult to notice any rust.

  24. Carson on July 16th, 2007 7:02 pm

    Err.. make that Number 6 (Jigga8481)

  25. Colm on July 16th, 2007 7:02 pm

    ndrfx: I’m glad you corrected that. I was conjuring up some awful images in my mind.

    In what particular way isn’t Kendall Lou’s type of player? Because he’s bloody awful? Exactly whose type of player is he these days?

    Near useless, washed up, slow… and expensive. That’s a tough sell in any market. I think even Bill Bavasi has learned his lesson there.

  26. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 7:04 pm

    I was like “Wait a minute, hasn’t Kendall been God aweful this year?”

    But he is a veteran! He’s been an all-star!

    Sometimes I’m glad Lou is gone from Seattle.

    Heck, maybe returning to the NL will rejuvinate him. Then again, maybe he’s done and the Cubs will release him next month.

  27. vitalogist on July 16th, 2007 7:04 pm

    I can’t think of any logical reason we won’t take 2 of 3… this series. And if Jarrod can keep us in it on Weds against Bedard, then we SHOULD sweep this thing…

  28. bhsmarine on July 16th, 2007 7:04 pm

    If Bill had learned his lesson we would be watching Adam Jones start today.

  29. Jigga8481 on July 16th, 2007 7:05 pm

    #23 – I was torn between interpreting it that way or “Ramirez had a tremendous start to the year and the M’s have truly missed his presence every 5 days” I was hoping he didn’t mean the 2nd one… I feel better now.

  30. timc on July 16th, 2007 7:05 pm

    Shouldn’t that be Movable Object and Resistable Force?

  31. bhsmarine on July 16th, 2007 7:07 pm

    Let’s all hope Ellison starts another fight for us to watch. He could be my favorite Mariner by the end of the night.

  32. thewyrm on July 16th, 2007 7:08 pm

    Ok, the talking Microphone commercials HAVE GOT to go.

    Speaking of M’s pitching, according to Sports Mogul’s Baseball Simulator 2008 by the year 2016 King Felix has been to 10 All Star games and has won 5 Cy Young awards.

  33. Jigga8481 on July 16th, 2007 7:09 pm

    Does anybody remember Frankie Rodriguez from the late 90′s? He started fights all the time and I loved him for it. Was it Joe Girardi that he charged in the on-deck circle?

  34. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 7:13 pm

    The Mariner’s have had interesting lineups all year. If your definition of interesting is bizarre.

    I was just looking at baseball-reference and the batting order postions for the M’s that have had a sOPS+ greater than 100 are leadoff, and then 7,8, and 9. Batting order postions 2, 3, and 5 are the worst with sOPS+ of 82, 79, and 74.

  35. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 7:16 pm

    I’m actually happy to see Ellison in the OF tonight. Willie B doesn’t belong in the OF. And if Ichiro is DH, and Jones is in Tacoma, Ellison should be the best choice for CF.

    Of course, I suppose I just jinxed him.

  36. bhsmarine on July 16th, 2007 7:17 pm

    He took the Weaver DL juice!

  37. NBarnes on July 16th, 2007 7:17 pm

    The 3rd pitch to Roberts was briliant. Being three feet high and outside totally set up the swinging strike on the next pitch.

  38. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 7:20 pm

    Man, Ibanez is still batting third against a LHP.

  39. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 7:22 pm

    Ichiro has his elbow pad too tight, his veins are going nuts.

  40. pumpkinhead on July 16th, 2007 7:23 pm

    jesus lopez.

  41. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 7:23 pm

    Did the Orioles let that bunt drop on purpose, knowing that the sacrifice there was a dumb move by the M’s?

  42. bhsmarine on July 16th, 2007 7:24 pm

    STOP MAKING LOPEZ BUNT!! That was an awful decision. A groundball or long fly gets him over, let him swing.

  43. pumpkinhead on July 16th, 2007 7:24 pm

    Nah, it looked more like confusion between the catcher and pitcher

  44. pumpkinhead on July 16th, 2007 7:25 pm

    Ichiro 1, Oreo’s 0

  45. huhwhat on July 16th, 2007 7:28 pm

    Anybody read the PI article stating the M’s considering picking up Guillen’s option of $9million for next year?

  46. JMHawkins on July 16th, 2007 7:30 pm

    Y’know, Ichiro is such a selfish player. I mean, if he got hurt – like maybe a Justin Verlander fastball off his knee or something, you just know he would gimp and limp around, dogging it and not putting in any effort, just milking it for a couple of weeks. How can we give a guy like that a $100 million contract?

  47. Carson on July 16th, 2007 7:31 pm

    Yes, Dave Niehaus, french fries are only found in America.

  48. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 7:31 pm

    How’s Ichiro looking tonight? Is he limping? Looking at the boxscore you would think the guy never took a fastball above the knee last night.

  49. Carson on July 16th, 2007 7:31 pm

    WOW. Gorgeous turn by Yuni.

  50. pumpkinhead on July 16th, 2007 7:31 pm

    If that’s not a web gem, then I’ve never seen one…

    Nice pickup Yuni.

  51. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 7:31 pm

    I mean yesterday afternoon.

  52. The Unknown Comic on July 16th, 2007 7:32 pm

    Wow, Ramirez is looking like Jamie Moyer tonight.

  53. Norm Charlton Fan Club on July 16th, 2007 7:32 pm

    I’ve never seen barehand to barehand in a DP before!

  54. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 7:32 pm

    #45, I think they are considering giving him an extension, too. Or maybe not, one article made it sound like that.

    I think I would do it, on the assumption that Raul, Vidro, and Sexson will all be gone next year (even though they are signed, they are all in decline), there would be room for Guillen plus Jones plus Wlad.

    Nice play by Betancourt.

  55. msb on July 16th, 2007 7:32 pm

    now, Dave, HoRam must be a major league pitcher– as was pointed out earlier on KJR, he was 4-2 before the DL…

    Lou likes a catcher who can run a pitching staff, and is willing to let offense be 2nd; maybe the idea is getting Kendall back to the NL

  56. pumpkinhead on July 16th, 2007 7:33 pm

    Heh, Raul leap a little too soon, me finks.

  57. Norm Charlton Fan Club on July 16th, 2007 7:34 pm

    Well at least we turned that DP…if we got an error there we’d be down 3-1 right now.

  58. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 7:34 pm

    There’s our Horacio! Welcome back buddy, we missed ya!

  59. Rumpelstiltskin on July 16th, 2007 7:34 pm

    I wonder if AJ would’ve caught that… sigh…

  60. pumpkinhead on July 16th, 2007 7:35 pm

    Hah! Shoeless Ho(ram)

  61. Carson on July 16th, 2007 7:35 pm

    That play almost makes me want to forgive HoRam for the home run ball. But, you know when almost counts..

  62. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 7:35 pm

    A Charley Brown pitcher comes out of his shoes moment there. Nice recovery though.

  63. Teej on July 16th, 2007 7:35 pm

    That was hilarious.

  64. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 7:37 pm

    #48: On his steal of third in the first inning, he looked fine.

  65. Jigga8481 on July 16th, 2007 7:37 pm

    Good call DizzleChizzle… Nobody should be surprised though.

  66. huhwhat on July 16th, 2007 7:38 pm

    Adrian…at least you saw 6 pitches before you struck out.

  67. The Unknown Comic on July 16th, 2007 7:38 pm

    That’s alright just like Jamie Moyer, Horacio Ramirez knows that solo homeruns aren’t a big deal.

  68. pumpkinhead on July 16th, 2007 7:39 pm

    wtf. HoRam didn’t get those outside calls.

    GRR. I don’t care as long as it’s consistent.

  69. dang on July 16th, 2007 7:41 pm

    The following is of the blog topic but I wouldn’t get a response if I posted it to the appropriate thread. Apologies if I’m out of line with this stream.

    At 8:29 this morning, Dave Cameron wrote:

    “No one is worth 4-5 wins over 73 games. Not even Albert Pujols.”

    Dave made exactly that claim last week when he pointed out that Raul had cost the M’s 5 wins with his glove in approximately that number of games.

  70. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 7:42 pm

    #64 Thanks Paul, I’ve been promising myself that if they get within one game of the division I’ll fork over the money for MLB.TV

  71. (Expletive) Dave Samson on July 16th, 2007 7:42 pm

    54… there’s no way Sexson, Ibanez, and Vidro will all be gone next year.

    You’d probably get the most return from Ibanez (relatively cheap at $5.5M), I can’t see anyone biting on Sexson’s contract.

    Guillen would be interesting, but the reason we signed him to a one-year was that we were betting that he would do well. That bet can also go bad (see Weaver, Jeff.)

  72. Dave on July 16th, 2007 7:42 pm

    If you can find me a cite where I said that Raul has cost the Mariners 5 wins with the glove, I’ll give you $100.

  73. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 7:43 pm

    #67 They are when you have a one run lead.

  74. scraps on July 16th, 2007 7:43 pm

    I’m starting to wonder if McLaren is managing the way he is to make it clear that there was nothing wrong with the way Hargrove was managing.

  75. dang on July 16th, 2007 7:44 pm

    I should have said “morning blog topic”.

  76. Carson on July 16th, 2007 7:44 pm

    What is with these idiots? They’re guessing the answer to the trivia, and telling us when they’re told an answer is wrong? They may as well turn it into a “Stump Dave” segment.

  77. fishiam on July 16th, 2007 7:49 pm

    Dave Niehaus … so many errors in his statements these days. This time saying he always liked the halos on the Mariners early caps (he meant the Angels). And Blowers doesn’t have the heart to keep correcting him. I don’t recall Ernie Harwell aging this quickly (and I listened to him for decades).

  78. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 7:51 pm

    I don’t think Neptune was a king, either, he was a god.

  79. dang on July 16th, 2007 7:51 pm

    How do I get to threads older than a few days? Maybe I’m wrong, maybe not – I would like to look over the transcript. I certainly remember a lively discussion on what value games-won/lost Raul was costing the Mariners.

  80. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 7:52 pm

    Not taking sides dang, but maybe that’s research you should’ve maybe checked on before making that claim. Doesn’t look too good now that you’re doubting yourself just a little bit.

  81. planB on July 16th, 2007 7:52 pm

    77: I love Dave but he has been declining for years. It’s not sudden.

  82. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 7:53 pm

    please tell ellison to teach bunting to lopez…please…

  83. msb on July 16th, 2007 7:53 pm

    on the main page there should be a page back link

    so, now that Kevin Seitzer is out of a job, wonder if he’d like to comeup and work with Raul again for a little while …

  84. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 7:53 pm

    #78 Isn’t Neptune a planet????

  85. Carson on July 16th, 2007 7:53 pm

    That ball looked to be heading foul. May not have made it, but he sure wasn’t going to get Ellison there. Should have let it roll and hope for a break. But hey, good news for us!

  86. scraps on July 16th, 2007 7:53 pm

    Dave Niehaus has a sonorous voice and is easy to listen to, which makes him above criticism. So I’ve been told.

  87. fishiam on July 16th, 2007 7:55 pm

    A smart third baseman doesn’t throw that ball to first – bad things, but no good things, could happen at that point. Nice to see a batter of ours bunt for a single. Of course, as I type that, Ellison gets thrown out trying to steal. Sigh.

  88. scraps on July 16th, 2007 7:55 pm

    Neptune is a planet named after a god. As are all the planets.

  89. Carson on July 16th, 2007 7:56 pm

    And that’s why you don’t try to steal with Ichiro at the plate, Ellison/Mac. (Or was that a failed hit and run?)

  90. huhwhat on July 16th, 2007 7:57 pm

    79 – All I can remember was a discussion of replacing Ibanez with Adam Jones in the “Adam Jones Conundrum” post. What I can remember was a part about how Adam Jones with his offense and defense could be a couple of games better for the team than what the M’s currently have with Raul playing the field and hitting. Something like Jones is the 4th or 5th best hitter the M’s have even when taking in to consideration the players on the Major League level. I could also be wrong.

  91. John in L.A. on July 16th, 2007 7:57 pm

    88 – Earth?

    Why steal there? Steal in front of Vidro, not Ichiro.

  92. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 7:57 pm

    #88, I know.

  93. dang on July 16th, 2007 7:57 pm

    #80
    I’m not doubting myself, just trying to be polite and also realize that I make mistakes. I’m also not trying to nitpick or belittle. I’ve checked a RSS on link on the home page but it only goes back a few posts, and I don’t see where to link back further.

  94. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 7:58 pm

    88 Good one John…Earth? We might have a winner.

  95. Dave on July 16th, 2007 7:58 pm

    Maybe I’m wrong

    You are wrong. I’ve consistently said that the Jones-Vidro swap, with Ibanez moving to DH, is worth about 2 wins to the M’s. Now that a few weeks have passed since I ran the numbers, its a little less than 2 wins, since there aren’t as many games left to make an impact on.

  96. msb on July 16th, 2007 7:58 pm

    Poseidon/Neptune, god of the sea, horses and earthquakes; born of Kronos, given the Ocean when the world was divided into three parts

  97. scraps on July 16th, 2007 7:59 pm

    91 – Quibbler.

  98. John in L.A. on July 16th, 2007 8:00 pm

    Also, King Neptune was a character in The Little Mermaid, I believe.

  99. msb on July 16th, 2007 8:00 pm

    Obviously Willie hasn’t been sharing base-running tips with his former roomie.

  100. Joof on July 16th, 2007 8:00 pm

    Dave, were you thinking of Runs?

    “Combine Ibanez’s -10 with Jones +5 (and those are conservative rankings), you’re looking at a 15 run improvement on defense alone. To give you an idea of what 15 runs over half a season looks like, let’s scale it to ERA. Let’s take Miguel Batista’s current ERA, then subtract 15 runs per 90 innings and show you the new ERA as a reference point for what that kind of savings looks like in half a season.”

  101. John in L.A. on July 16th, 2007 8:01 pm

    Oops, nm. King Neptune was in Sponge Bob, not Little Mermaid.

  102. msb on July 16th, 2007 8:01 pm

    can we have Ellison out in right to catch the ball for Jose, and just let Guillen throw the balls in?

  103. Jay R. on July 16th, 2007 8:02 pm

    God that was clownshoes.

  104. pumpkinhead on July 16th, 2007 8:02 pm

    Use your damn body to trap that beehotch.

    HORAM! Self destruct in 3-2-1…

  105. Jake on July 16th, 2007 8:02 pm

    Nice job HoRam. Way to cover.

  106. msb on July 16th, 2007 8:02 pm

    now that’s a fine in kangaroo court

  107. bhsmarine on July 16th, 2007 8:02 pm

    Way to hustle over there HoRam. I think you need to go on the DL for some leg injury now.

  108. John in L.A. on July 16th, 2007 8:03 pm

    97 – You’re right. Apologies.

    If I remember correctly, Dave was initially expressing the defensive difference as 20 runs or so, and then said that was about 2 runs. I may be wrong, but I think that’s close.

  109. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 8:03 pm

    ramirez sucks…

  110. Joof on July 16th, 2007 8:03 pm

    Just noticed, in #100, I was talking to dang, not Dave. My bad.

  111. joser on July 16th, 2007 8:03 pm

    The search box in the upper right works pretty well. But you’re probably thinking of the second half suggestions thread where Dave said Raul probably cost the team 15 runs. Which is a lot, but it’s not the same thing as 5 wins.

  112. Otto on July 16th, 2007 8:04 pm

    Welcome back HoRam

  113. huhwhat on July 16th, 2007 8:04 pm

    I guess Weaver didn’t share any with HoRam.

  114. John in L.A. on July 16th, 2007 8:04 pm

    Sigh. I meant 20 runs, 2 wins, of course.

    Can anyone tell me who called that steal last inning? Do we think it was from the dugout? Or a hit and run?

  115. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 8:04 pm

    I don’t see where to link back further.

    1. Go to the home page, scroll to the bottom, and you’ll see a link for previous entries.

    2. At the bottom of that page, you’ll see a link for previous entries…

    GOTO 2

  116. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 8:04 pm

    101.. John that would be King Triton not Neptune.

  117. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 8:06 pm

    Earth was named after Gaia, a Greek goddess, or Terra in Roman mythology.

  118. msb on July 16th, 2007 8:07 pm

    Gaia, mother of Kronos, grandmother of Neptune….

  119. Otto on July 16th, 2007 8:07 pm

    Don’t know how he walked away with only one run but whew!

  120. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 8:08 pm

    I’m probably the only M’s fan who doesn’t mind seeing Horacio’s pitch count reach around 90 in the 5th inning.

  121. mstaples on July 16th, 2007 8:09 pm

    Does Ramirez always tap the ball to his glove during his delivery? I just got home, so I’ve only seen him throw his meatball two-seamer, but he has tapped the ball to his glove during his wind-up each time. (The fact that I only saw him throw that lousy fastball during that entire inning might indicate other problems with Ramirez.)

  122. joser on July 16th, 2007 8:09 pm

    So it looks like the Indians are going to lose a 21-total-run slugfest to the White Sox. That’s something, at least.

  123. michaelfox99 on July 16th, 2007 8:10 pm

    OK lets go easy on the 5 wins guy. No need to be rude.

    nice jose.

  124. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 8:10 pm

    Sims noticed that Guillen hits well against lefties. That’s something. Unfortunately he was using BA, but still.

  125. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 8:10 pm

    117 Then how come her name isn’t Earth instead of Gaia or Terra?

  126. joser on July 16th, 2007 8:10 pm

    Heh, I was just about to post that Ichiro was the only Mariners batter with a positive WPA, and then Guillen goes and redeems himself…

  127. John in L.A. on July 16th, 2007 8:10 pm

    116 – Right, corrected myself. Spongebob was King Neptune. Christ, what’s wrong with me? If I start talking about Idaho traffic, I’m logging off.

    117 – I don’t think that’s the etymology of “earth”. Maybe, I’m wrong.

    This ump is going to ruin Beltre. He already caused one strikeout.

  128. Jay R. on July 16th, 2007 8:12 pm

    Woohoo!

  129. Carson on July 16th, 2007 8:12 pm

    Thank you, Sexson. Maybe Mac will scratch his head and realize that’s why Raul shouldn’t be giving away outs batting 3rd against a lefty.

  130. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 8:13 pm

    123, who has 5 wins?

  131. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 8:15 pm

    Oh man! Richie actually got a hit, and knocked in a run to boot! Woohoo!

  132. dang on July 16th, 2007 8:20 pm

    I checked the post and I see that Dave said Raul is costing us 15 runs from the beginning of the season to the time of the post. So that translates to two games during that time?

  133. michaelfox99 on July 16th, 2007 8:21 pm

    130 someone confused ibanez’s gloves costing runs for costing wins.

    Beltre could try smiling for once.

  134. Otto on July 16th, 2007 8:21 pm

    5 innings only giving up 2 runs and only 61 pitches

  135. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 8:22 pm

    as i said before, someone have ellison teach that to lopez…

  136. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 8:24 pm

    I was just thinking that Horacio is pitching an OK game so far, then I woke up and realized he’s pitching against the Orioles.

  137. Jay R. on July 16th, 2007 8:25 pm

    136- Exactly.

  138. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 8:26 pm

    Why is Lopez hitting lefties so poorly?

  139. Dave on July 16th, 2007 8:27 pm

    So that translates to two games during that time?

    Basic formula is 10 runs = 1 win. So 15 runs would be 1.5 wins.

  140. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 8:27 pm

    Dave- do you know what the team plans to do with Davis if he clears waivers? wasn’t today the day they had to do something since he was DFAd?

  141. carcinogen on July 16th, 2007 8:28 pm

    Another opportunity about to be flushed down the toilet here…

  142. dang on July 16th, 2007 8:29 pm

    Then I am wrong. Thanks for your patience.

  143. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 8:30 pm

    really sick of the rally fries…

  144. The Unknown Comic on July 16th, 2007 8:30 pm

    HoRam can really pitch at Safeco!

  145. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 8:31 pm

    Shouldn’t they do the rally fries when the M’s are coming up to bat?

  146. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 8:33 pm

    nice inning…

  147. The Unknown Comic on July 16th, 2007 8:33 pm

    Impressive!

  148. freezer on July 16th, 2007 8:34 pm

    145- I was waiting for them in the last half when 2 runners were on.

  149. The Unknown Comic on July 16th, 2007 8:34 pm

    If HoRam keeps this up and the M’s win he will be tonight’s Sabermetric Anti-Hero of the Game.

  150. Gerald on July 16th, 2007 8:35 pm

    I hope they have someone ready in the bullpen next inning because that was a lucky inning if I ever saw one.

  151. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 8:35 pm

    I wish the M’s would put Raul on the DL, with whatever is ailing him.

  152. Corey on July 16th, 2007 8:36 pm

    DMZ, this next Anchor Steam is for you.

    Wherever you may roam. ;)

  153. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 8:39 pm

    jesus…

  154. Jay R. on July 16th, 2007 8:39 pm

    So, I guess Adrian has cooled off.

  155. carcinogen on July 16th, 2007 8:39 pm

    Dammit Richie, stop sucking!

  156. JR Ewing on July 16th, 2007 8:39 pm

    jamie moyer doing his best ho-ram impression tonight

  157. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 8:40 pm

    richie had an RBI single earlier and a nice grab at first…cut him some slack…

  158. Otto on July 16th, 2007 8:40 pm

    Way to kill the inning Beltre.

  159. The Unknown Comic on July 16th, 2007 8:40 pm

    Yeah the Phillies left Moyer in to hit with the bases loaded and 2 out in the 4th and down 6-1.

  160. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 8:41 pm

    Damn, it stayed foul.

  161. carcinogen on July 16th, 2007 8:41 pm

    Bako…sorry, that was a typo. I meant “Adrian.” Force of habit, I guess.

  162. freezer on July 16th, 2007 8:41 pm

    156- You could feel that Kent HR coming.

    Wow, did Sims really mention Oregon City High School girls basketball?

  163. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 8:42 pm

    #150 Any inning that Horam can get out of without giving up a run is a lucky inning IMO.

  164. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 8:43 pm

    Here’s Yuni, ready to put the ball on the ground and end the inning.

  165. freezer on July 16th, 2007 8:43 pm

    Here’s where the fires come in

  166. freezer on July 16th, 2007 8:43 pm

    Told you. Maybe a HR?

  167. Jay R. on July 16th, 2007 8:43 pm

    Yuni!

  168. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 8:43 pm

    He missed that by an inch. If he would have farted when he swung that woulda been a homer.

  169. John in L.A. on July 16th, 2007 8:44 pm

    Why wasn’t that a home run?

  170. Carson on July 16th, 2007 8:44 pm

    Dammit. That was a FUNK BLAST!

    Rally fries strike again, though!

  171. The Unknown Comic on July 16th, 2007 8:44 pm

    I guess the stats show HoRam has been good at Safeco this year or that is what they were saying in the pregame show. Probably if you break those stats down it is pure luck don’t know.

  172. freezer on July 16th, 2007 8:44 pm

    Definitely not a HR. Yellow is in play Sims.

  173. Jay R. on July 16th, 2007 8:44 pm

    That is at least the 2nd time this year that has happened to the Ms.

  174. beckya57 on July 16th, 2007 8:44 pm

    Wow, 2 runs with 2 out. Shades of 2001.

  175. John in L.A. on July 16th, 2007 8:45 pm

    Why aren’t they appealing that???

    Didn’t they, I guess.

  176. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 8:45 pm

    that should be a homer…

  177. Teej on July 16th, 2007 8:45 pm

    I thought the yellow line was a homer?

  178. fishiam on July 16th, 2007 8:45 pm

    Who has access to the rules? That ball obviously hit the yellow line atop the fence. I grew up believing that meant home run.

  179. Jake on July 16th, 2007 8:45 pm

    Poor Dave Simms. I love it how Blowers didn’t even respond to Simms pleading that he thought a ball that hit the yellow line was a homerun.

  180. Carson on July 16th, 2007 8:46 pm

    Yeah, it still has to go over the wall. The only thing yellow that can be hit and be a FUNK BLAST is the pole. But, that really should have been one. Oh so close.

  181. SebPruiti on July 16th, 2007 8:46 pm

    Its crazy how they were talking about his last homerun and then boom! They should try that for Richie.

  182. apunetid on July 16th, 2007 8:48 pm

    Might somebody fill us Gameday viewers in concerneing this near-homer by Yuni? What was the controversy?

  183. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 8:49 pm

    It hit the yellow tape on top of the fence and bounced back onto the field.

  184. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 8:49 pm

    so how short of a hook does ramirez get?

  185. freezer on July 16th, 2007 8:49 pm

    The ball hit the top of the fence basically. The yellow line in particular. The call came back into play….no HR.

  186. Teej on July 16th, 2007 8:49 pm

    So if it hits the yellow line and bounces over the wall, is it an automatic double?

  187. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 8:49 pm

    HoRam had 69 pitches through 6 innings.

  188. freezer on July 16th, 2007 8:51 pm

    I think it’s a HR because it never hit the ground. Think ball off Conseco’s head. Or off the top of a wall.

  189. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 8:52 pm

    Or off Hendu’s glove.

  190. fishiam on July 16th, 2007 8:52 pm

    I imagine the answer to #186 is no which leads to the question … what is the point of the yellow line (other than as a visual reminder of the top of the fence)?

  191. JeffS on July 16th, 2007 8:54 pm

    HO-RAM, ladies and gentlemen!!!

  192. Teej on July 16th, 2007 8:54 pm

    190: Probably just to officially mark what’s in the park and what isn’t. More useful in parks with more complicated walls and field dimensions.

  193. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 8:54 pm

    Visual indication to help the fielders so they know where the top of the wall is at a glance? I don’t know.

  194. Otto on July 16th, 2007 8:55 pm

    The way this game started I thought HoRam would be out before the 5th thanks for proving me wrong.

  195. Paul B on July 16th, 2007 8:55 pm

    Maybe the yellow line just looks cool.

  196. freezer on July 16th, 2007 8:56 pm

    Because green is lonely without yellow?

    I hate the ducks. GO BEAVS!!

  197. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 8:56 pm

    Maybe it’s just a yellow line?

  198. johnb on July 16th, 2007 8:56 pm

    Do they send HoRam out to the mound in the eighth?

  199. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 8:57 pm

    GS52 in the eighth.

  200. fishiam on July 16th, 2007 8:57 pm

    198: absolutely.

  201. apunetid on July 16th, 2007 8:58 pm

    I think the yellow line just indicates where to cut the wall when they’re building it.

  202. pumpkinhead on July 16th, 2007 8:58 pm

    198: Only if he pitches well. Otherwise he shouldn’t have =)

  203. Otto on July 16th, 2007 8:59 pm

    Moyer needs a good infield defense.

  204. apunetid on July 16th, 2007 8:59 pm

    Boy, from what Gameday’s showing, this Bell fellow must have a crazy curveball.

  205. fishiam on July 16th, 2007 9:00 pm

    To amplify – not only do I think they should send Ramirez out to start the inning, I think they will given McLaren’s preference to ride the starters a bit harder. Of course, someone gets on base, you call in the new sheriff in town (GS52).

  206. Otto on July 16th, 2007 9:00 pm

    Moyer=ouch

  207. Otto on July 16th, 2007 9:00 pm

    432 homers given up by Moyer

  208. pumpkinhead on July 16th, 2007 9:01 pm

    Time for Guillen to launch another one.

  209. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 9:02 pm

    moyer might be done…still my favorite Ms pitcher of all time…

  210. fishiam on July 16th, 2007 9:02 pm

    Looks like Green is coming in, however. Now hasn’t there been some discussion about him lately?

  211. bhsmarine on July 16th, 2007 9:02 pm

    3 Dropped K’s, that = nasty curve.

  212. Otto on July 16th, 2007 9:04 pm

    My favorite M’s pitcher also sorry Randy.

  213. huhwhat on July 16th, 2007 9:04 pm

    209 – Mine was Bobby Ayala…my favorite M’s pitcher to hate that is

  214. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 9:04 pm

    Greeny!

  215. johnb on July 16th, 2007 9:05 pm

    Chavez, and McClaren must have decided to become regular readers.

  216. beckya57 on July 16th, 2007 9:05 pm

    Moyer was great for us for many years, but he is in his mid-40′s, so it’s probably time for him to hang it up. He had a darn good career for a guy with absolutely no velocity…. Well, look who’s here! C’mon, Sean, show everyone that those PI/Times guys don’t know what they’re talking about.

  217. Teej on July 16th, 2007 9:05 pm

    3 Dropped K’s, that = nasty curve.

    Baseball Tonight just started. I wonder if they’ll anoint that an official “That’s Nasty” award.

    Sigh . . .

  218. DKCecil on July 16th, 2007 9:05 pm

    The Wiffleballer strikes!

  219. fishiam on July 16th, 2007 9:06 pm

    Man, that was funny! How can you swing at a pitch that was like 15 feet outside? I laughed out loud at that!

  220. Otto on July 16th, 2007 9:06 pm

    Jose Mesa relieved Moyer HAHAHA

  221. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 9:06 pm

    Either the M’s staff is reading this blog daily or Dave has some connections.

  222. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 9:06 pm

    just hearing the human gas can’s (BA) name uttered gives me hives…

  223. beckya57 on July 16th, 2007 9:07 pm

    #213–thanks for bringing back lots of horrible memories…I’ll retaliate by mentioning Heathcliff Slocumb. So there.

  224. Troy J on July 16th, 2007 9:07 pm

    look who is pitching the 8th inning of a close game. wonder where they got that idea?

  225. jamest on July 16th, 2007 9:07 pm

    The wiff and now the snag…nice job SG

  226. fishiam on July 16th, 2007 9:07 pm

    Sean Green even looks and acts like he’s feeling the love! Nice snag.

  227. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 9:07 pm

    Why haven’t they relieved Moyer yet? If I gave up 10 runs I’d screaming for the manager to get me out of there.

  228. beckya57 on July 16th, 2007 9:08 pm

    Ok, here comes GS52. They obviously still see him strictly as a LOOGY.

  229. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 9:09 pm

    Sean Green makes me forget how bad I hate Reistma.

  230. Otto on July 16th, 2007 9:09 pm

    They relieved Moyer with Jose Mesa

  231. wrmike on July 16th, 2007 9:09 pm

    Can’t Greet at least try and get the last out?
    What was that Sims? Calling Sherrill the Governor for what reason?

  232. beckya57 on July 16th, 2007 9:10 pm

    So much for strategy…McLaren should have listened to us and left Green in.

  233. huhwhat on July 16th, 2007 9:10 pm

    223 – That hurt…oh Varitek and Lowe…that hurt…So much more than James Baldwin for a season…

  234. Otto on July 16th, 2007 9:11 pm

    Dobbs Moyer and Mesa how many former M’s did Gillick bring in to Philly?

  235. loki on July 16th, 2007 9:11 pm

    I just noticed that Aubrey Huff and Raul Ibanez have eerily similar offensive lines and they are both LH hitters.

    Career numbers:
    Huff: .283/.339/.470 with 147 HR
    Ibanez: .283/.341/.465 with 144 HR

    Season numbers: (not counting tonight)
    Huff: .262/.301/.396 with 6 HR
    Ibanez: .268/.316/.415 with 6 HR

    Ibanez has played in about 200 more games and is about 5 years older though. Huff hits for a little more power, but Ibanez strikes out less. Huff is making $4 mil this year vs. Raul’s $5.5 mil.

    Thank you. I now return you to your regularly scheduled blog commentary.

  236. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 9:12 pm

    I WONDER WHO WILL PITCH THE 9TH!?

  237. beckya57 on July 16th, 2007 9:12 pm

    Ha. Sherrill gets the R handed batter. Pay attention, now, Mac.

  238. huhwhat on July 16th, 2007 9:12 pm

    Since Sherrill is GS52 can Green be SG54…actually that doesn’t really work does it.

  239. joser on July 16th, 2007 9:12 pm

    Looks like Mesa is in to relieve Moyer…
    5.1 IP, 9H, 2HR, 9ER, 2BB, 4 SO
    -.371 WPA. Ouch.

  240. JR Ewing on July 16th, 2007 9:12 pm

    hey bako . . . i agree with the second half of your comment, but people have been saying that moyer is washed up since 1994.

  241. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 9:13 pm

    “the governor”???WTF???

  242. DKCecil on July 16th, 2007 9:13 pm

    Funny thing about Sims trying to plant that nickname on Sherrill: He pitched at Austin Peay, and their nickname is the Governors.

  243. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 9:14 pm

    That chick on the left was dancing? What the hell have I been doing all these years!?

  244. joser on July 16th, 2007 9:14 pm

    Otto (234) don’t forget Freddy….

  245. greymstreet on July 16th, 2007 9:15 pm

    Why did they take Ramirez out after just 83 pitches?

  246. huhwhat on July 16th, 2007 9:15 pm

    234 – Your forgetting Freddy Garcia.

  247. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 9:15 pm

    234-freddy garcia, ryan franklin…

  248. Otto on July 16th, 2007 9:17 pm

    Can’t believe I forgot Freddy, been trying to forget Franklin for years.

  249. beckya57 on July 16th, 2007 9:18 pm

    That’s interesting about Gillick importing ex-M’s. Reminds me of when Piniella first got here; he brought in some ex-Reds. Of course, if memory serves, that’s how we got the loathsome Bobby A., which doesn’t speak well for doing this.

  250. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 9:19 pm

    actually, franklin is pitching well this year for st. louis…

  251. apunetid on July 16th, 2007 9:19 pm

    It seems like the Cardinals do the same thing with former Angels.

  252. Norm Charlton Fan Club on July 16th, 2007 9:20 pm

    250: True, but we also got THE SHERIFF!!!

  253. joser on July 16th, 2007 9:20 pm

    Gillick reminds me of that old guy that just keeps repeating the same stories (“I remember when I was young and great…”) except he just keeps repeating the same players. Alas, stories get boring, and players age.

  254. Norm Charlton Fan Club on July 16th, 2007 9:20 pm

    whoops meant to say 249, my bad.

  255. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 9:20 pm

    For some reason I’m fearing his first blown save of the year this game.

  256. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 9:20 pm

    oh, i can’t wait for the post-game so they can chronicle the history of the “rally fries”

  257. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 9:21 pm

    250 I was just going to say that Franklin has revitalized his career in St. Louis. I think he just got an extension as well.

  258. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 9:21 pm

    hey, 255, STFU!

  259. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 9:22 pm

    #255 no you did not just say that.

  260. Otto on July 16th, 2007 9:22 pm

    lets go Putz 1 down.

  261. fishiam on July 16th, 2007 9:23 pm

    Another short rant on the (highly hyped) context-free Fan Graphs, and their WPA. The M’s are listed with a Win Expectancy of 92% here in the 9th inning … with JJ on the mound and a 2 run lead. Who really believes the Oreo’s have an 8% chance of winning? taking context into … context, our We should be 99%. Just a small rant.

  262. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 9:23 pm

    Haha, you guys are funny! :)

  263. Otto on July 16th, 2007 9:23 pm

    Ignoring 255

  264. wrmike on July 16th, 2007 9:23 pm

    what is attendance tonight? Lots of green seats in the background.

  265. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 9:24 pm

    261 Obviously NDRFX believes the Orioles have an 8% chance of winning this game.

  266. huhwhat on July 16th, 2007 9:24 pm

    My T.V. must be busted, but is JJ orange? Has he been fake baking.

  267. beckya57 on July 16th, 2007 9:25 pm

    #252–right you are. Is it just me, or does anyone else worry every time JJ comes in that this will finally be the night he blows a save? He can’t be perfect forever, after all.

  268. zzyzx on July 16th, 2007 9:25 pm

    256 – I actually usually listen with the sound down so I’m kind of looking forward to finding out how the dumbest thing ever started.

    Also, they could deliver some fries to me at home please.

  269. beckya57 on July 16th, 2007 9:25 pm

    I see #255 shares my neurosis.

  270. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 9:26 pm

    if one more person tries to jinx JJ…

  271. apunetid on July 16th, 2007 9:26 pm

    255′s really going to get it after one more out.

  272. zzyzx on July 16th, 2007 9:26 pm

    Blew him away!

  273. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 9:26 pm

    Scratch that Beckya falls into that 8% too, I guess that graph is right after all.

  274. zzyzx on July 16th, 2007 9:27 pm

    It’s so weird seeing Ichiro on the bench when we’re in the field.

  275. wrmike on July 16th, 2007 9:27 pm

    266 – He sure is orange-ish

  276. Dave on July 16th, 2007 9:28 pm

    No matter how much you might love JJ, you can’t really believe that he’s going to convert 99% of his save opportunities. That would make him the greatest reliever of all time.

    Fangraphs is closer to reality than you are on this one.

  277. joser on July 16th, 2007 9:28 pm

    One game out of the wild card.

  278. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 9:28 pm

    268- some guy tried to reach over the wall to get a foul ball and lost his fries…blowers bought him some to replace…since then, people beg with signs…stupid…

  279. Otto on July 16th, 2007 9:28 pm

    Millar falls to the Demi god that is PUTZ!

  280. beckya57 on July 16th, 2007 9:28 pm

    I also have the sound down, and am listening to Lil’ Dave Thompson, a great blues guitarist/singer. Most BB announcers, including everyone who works for the M’s not named Niehaus, make me want to throw things at my TV. All right JJ! Tonight wasn’t the night either….

  281. ndrfx on July 16th, 2007 9:28 pm

    Hey, I just like to keep my hopes low as to not be too disappointed when it does happen. ;P

  282. apunetid on July 16th, 2007 9:29 pm

    M’s win!

  283. fishiam on July 16th, 2007 9:30 pm

    M’s win! Now stay tuned for a “History of the Rally Fries” … which I was the first to predict would become an unfortunate gimmick (and if I knew how links worked here, I’d provide it … but I don’t).

  284. zzyzx on July 16th, 2007 9:31 pm

    283 – as long as we keep winning, I’m fine with it. It’s still better than a monkey.

  285. fishiam on July 16th, 2007 9:32 pm

    276: Dave, do you really think 92% is closer to the probability than 99%? Great closers in their signature seasons (and this is JJ’s signature season) do better than a 92% success rate. I agree, not 99% but … surely better than 92%.

  286. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 9:33 pm

    276 I don’t expect JJ to convert 100% of his save opportunities, but being a superstitious fan myself especially when it comes to sports I don’t like to talk about when JJ is going to blow his next save.

    Sometimes I just think it’s too good to be true that we have a closer like JJ in our BP.

  287. Jordan of Boise on July 16th, 2007 9:34 pm

    I think that the whole heavy metal closer song is a bit cliche… If I was a closer I would have Bridge Over Troubled Water play.. scratch that, instead of playing it over the PA, I’d have a choir of ugly people singing it from the seats behind home plate, and they’d keep singing the whole time that I pitched.

  288. JeffS on July 16th, 2007 9:34 pm

    Game Ball goes to HO-RAM (who else???). Now if only we can stack the rotation where he only starts at home :)

  289. bakomariner on July 16th, 2007 9:36 pm

    how can JJ’s song be a cliche? don’t they pick their own songs?

  290. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 9:37 pm

    287 I could see how that might work in a psychological way.

  291. wrmike on July 16th, 2007 9:37 pm

    History of the rally fries. I wondered what I going to do now that the game only took 2 and a half hours.

  292. zzyzx on July 16th, 2007 9:37 pm

    Haven’t we all thought about what our at bat or entering the game song would be?

    I’m thinking the peak from “Slave to the Traffic Light” from Live Phish.

  293. zzyzx on July 16th, 2007 9:39 pm

    You know what would be nice? It would be nice if the questions were translated too.

  294. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 9:39 pm

    Good to see the Rangers and A’s duking it out in Oakland in the middle of July in an almost meaningless series.

  295. wrmike on July 16th, 2007 9:41 pm

    292- “Changes in Attitude… Changes in Latitude” by Jimmy Buffett

  296. davepaisley on July 16th, 2007 9:41 pm

    294 – especially with the A’s losing…

    Welcome to the basement, guys.

  297. fishiam on July 16th, 2007 9:44 pm

    OK, I don’t know if Dave is checking on this but, of course, he is more on the mark than I am. A save precentage of 92% is right on average for top closers it appears and my expectation of something higher for JJ is out of line. Here (and I don’t know if this will work) is a summary of saved percentages in some recent top closer seasons. I repent.

  298. eponymous coward on July 16th, 2007 9:44 pm

    Seattle Mariners 4, Resistable Objects 2. WP: Movable Force (5-2)

  299. DizzleChizzle on July 16th, 2007 9:44 pm

    296 My thoughts exactly. It would be nice if Texas could sweep them.

  300. Otto on July 16th, 2007 9:45 pm

    My song would have to be Judas Priest

  301. Otto on July 16th, 2007 9:45 pm

    * The Sentinel

  302. joser on July 16th, 2007 9:57 pm

    Speaking of the phillies, I thought this pic was hilarious.

  303. Jay R. on July 16th, 2007 10:01 pm

    Not “You’ve Got Another Thing Comin’”? Definitely be mine.

  304. thewyrm on July 16th, 2007 10:02 pm

    Why do people go out of their way to make fun of things like rally fries and funk blasts? What do they do besides make the game just a little bit more fun? I hate the Angels as much as the next guy but boy I wish we would have thought of the Rally Monkey.

  305. Jay R. on July 16th, 2007 10:05 pm

    The game is exciting enough for me. I don’t need gimmicks and silliness to keep my attention.

  306. AuburnM on July 16th, 2007 10:07 pm

    Because we are sophisticated baseball connoisseurs. The rabble disgust us.

  307. Evan R. on July 16th, 2007 10:08 pm

    It’s not going out of your way. Rally fries and funk blasts are stupid and inane, and represent the “yay!! richey saxsen hitta homur!!” contingent of baseball fans.

  308. Evan R. on July 16th, 2007 10:15 pm

    Actually, I think “funk blast” is pretty hilarious due to how ridiculous it is, but rally fries are stupid because the essentially validate Mike Blowers’ existence, something that should be discouraged.

  309. AuburnM on July 16th, 2007 10:15 pm

    Yes. Only serious adult male numbers geeks should be allowed to enjoy basesball.

  310. Rumpelstiltskin on July 16th, 2007 10:18 pm

    231: Sims actually tried out (debuted?) two nicknames for Sherrill today. First he refered to him as ‘the Tennessee Gentleman,’ then he refered to him as ‘the Governor.’ Personally, I like both nicknames, but ‘the Governor’ makes a little more sense (and it’s more intimidating). Of course his cyber-nickname will always be GS52…

  311. Otto on July 16th, 2007 10:18 pm

    You got another thing comin is good but The Sentinel is one of my favs.

  312. JeffS on July 16th, 2007 10:22 pm

    Sigh at the baseball elitists that plague this blog… you guys suck out all the fun. Check out a video I took of what fans are like in Japan.

    http://www.vimeo.com/219059

    Now THAT’S what fans should be like. They would even cheer for Vidro :)

  313. geofftoons on July 16th, 2007 10:22 pm

    #304 I agree! I’ll bet even the biggest stathead on this site has picked a hydro during the hydro race on the video board at one time or another! Since baseball is so superstitious, a rally monkey or rally fries are no less silly than a lucky rabbit’s foot, it’s just a lucky charm that everyone can focus their collective energy on to support the team.

    I love baseball for the intricasies (sp) of the game, but also for all the other goofy stuff as well that makes the total experience.

  314. Otto on July 16th, 2007 10:31 pm

    With men on first and second
    Steam begins to rise
    The figures primed and ready
    Prepared for quick surprise
    He’s watching for a sign
    The game is on the line

    The Sentinel baseball style!

  315. Lauren, token chick on July 16th, 2007 10:32 pm

    I don’t mind the rally fries. Especially if they keep working.

    I think my song would be PJ Harvey, Sheela Na Gig. I thought it might be too profane, but then remembered that they play frickin’ Magic Stick for A-Rod.

  316. Otto on July 16th, 2007 10:33 pm

    #314 in Gymnastics you sit for over 4 hours to watch less than 4 minutes of your childs routines.

  317. quickkick87 on July 16th, 2007 10:40 pm

    Jeff Nelson with yet another blithering idiot moment on the KJR postgame: The M’s need to go get a hard-throwing righthanded setup man.

    Nellie should read USSM before he lies on the radio

  318. John in L.A. on July 16th, 2007 10:41 pm

    If it doesn’t interfere with the game or my enjoyment of it, I don’t care how anyone else enjoys it.

    The only one I remember truly despising was the “thunder sticks” they had last time I was at Angel stadium.

    Those truly sucked.

  319. Bobanderson on July 16th, 2007 10:41 pm

    “Horacio Ramirez is not a major league quality starting pitcher.”

    I guess this is what started the discussion but do we have any question about the validity of this question at this point? I know it was the Orioles but they are a true MLB team, albeit lower echelon. Some folks promote Adam Jones as though he has done anything in the MLB. No, only great (really great) numbers in the PCL. Let’s give credit where it is due and Ramirez pitched a very, very MLB game tonight. Let’s hope Adam (eventually) does it in the MLB too.

  320. Carson on July 16th, 2007 10:41 pm

    319 (quickkick87) – Maybe Nelson was trying to pull a fast one on the FO and get a job?

  321. John in L.A. on July 16th, 2007 10:42 pm

    Anyone who thinks there is only 12 minutes of action in a baseball game knows nothing at all about baseball.

  322. msb on July 16th, 2007 10:43 pm

    geez, next thing you’ll be telling us Bill Veeck was bad for baseball ….

  323. John in L.A. on July 16th, 2007 10:44 pm

    Are Nellie and Thiel getting the same talking points from a junior M’s marketing idiot?

    Where the hell did this right handed set up man crap come from?

  324. msb on July 16th, 2007 10:48 pm

    after the game last night it was mentioned that it had been the main topic of discussion in the press box … dunno if it was because Theil was thinking of writing the column, and brought the subject up, or what.

    You know Nelly is always going to think a righty relief pitcher is a good idea, though….

  325. msb on July 16th, 2007 10:52 pm

    I thought it was supposed to be that the ball was actually ‘in play’ about 12 minutes per game ….

  326. Colm on July 16th, 2007 10:56 pm

    Nice call on the play-on song, Lauren. It makes a change from the well worn Seventies rawk. But if you’re going with early PJ Harvey for a baseball game, surely you’d have to pick “Victory”.

    Me, I’ve always fancied something from “Songs About…” by Big Black. Say Kitty Empire, or Columbian Necktie.

  327. Sports on a Schtick on July 16th, 2007 10:56 pm

    No one’s up for “Dancing Queen” as their closer music? Reverse psychology baby. It works. Actually, it doesn’t work.

    I’ve been wearing an Orioles t-shirt all day (it’s comfy and it was free). I guess I have to keep it on for a little while longer.

  328. Otto on July 16th, 2007 10:59 pm

    The double bare handed double play made it onto sports center!

  329. earinc on July 16th, 2007 10:59 pm

    287: I love the idea of Bridge Over Troubled Water as a lead-in song. The ugly children twist is brilliant. This opens up vast possibilities for the creative major-leaguer.

    I always thought “I Believe In Miracles” by Hot Chocolate would make a great lead in song. “I believe in miracles / where you from / you sexy thing, you”. Who wouldn’t get pumped up by that? Plus, the other team would be laughing and unprepared. Or maybe “I Would Die 4U” by Prince: “I’m not your lover / I’m not your friend / I am something that you’ll never comprehend / No need to worry / No need to cry / I’m your messiah and you’re the reason why.” I want that guy on my team.

  330. msb on July 16th, 2007 11:01 pm

    I knew I’d seen it someplace….

  331. earinc on July 16th, 2007 11:01 pm

    333: Slack Motherf#*ker by Superchunk!

  332. Otto on July 16th, 2007 11:05 pm

    #339 Best line!

    When watching baseball, just about any time is a good time to go for a beer.

  333. earinc on July 16th, 2007 11:05 pm

    I can hear it now. John Smith steps up to bat, and the music swells:

    You’re enjoying your day
    Everything’s going your way
    Then along comes Debbie Downer.

    Always there to tell you ’bout a new disease
    A car accident or killer bees
    You’ll beg her to spare you, “Debbie, Please!”
    But you can’t stop Debbie Downer!

  334. msb on July 16th, 2007 11:07 pm

    Bobby Livingston got called up by the Reds, gave up eight hits, two runs and two walks in five innings — and went 4 for 4 at the plate :)

  335. Otto on July 16th, 2007 11:08 pm

    Need a sign here

    “Please don’t feed the Trolls”

  336. Downtown Ian on July 16th, 2007 11:10 pm

    I was seriously worried about the HoRam start today (yeah, I know, who wasn’t). I hadn’t followed him with much interest before he went on the DL, but I saw him pitch in Tacoma on June 30th and he was pretty sad. Ok scratch that — he sucked. Looking at gameday again, the first inning was: double, walk, homer, double, fielders choice, single, single, sac fly, fly out. And this is the frickin’ Salt Lake Bees! Then he gave up 9 hits (admittedly only one unearned run) in his AZL start, which doesn’t sound that bad except they’re the very lowest level of minor league play. I don’t care how bad the Oreos are, they’ve gotta be quite a bit better than the Bees.

    So, I have a question. When ML pitchers do a rehab start in the minor leagues, are they typically playing for the best possible game outcome? Or are they more working on problem spots and trying to build fitness, even if it means they give up a few more hits/runs?

  337. John in L.A. on July 16th, 2007 11:16 pm

    I thought John Smith was just a baseball fan being goofy.

  338. NODO Dweller on July 16th, 2007 11:41 pm

    …and yet you post to a baseball blog, arguably even more boring than the game itself ;)

  339. chief on July 16th, 2007 11:44 pm

    FWIW when I was in college we put a stopwatch on an NFL game. Started the watch at the snap of the ball and stopped it whrn the whistle blew. That was several years ago and I do not remmeber the exact minutes and seconds, but I do remember that the total action in the game was less than ten minutes!

  340. Lauren, token chick on July 17th, 2007 12:09 am

    But Colm:

    Look at these my child-bearing hips
    Look at these my ruby red ruby lips
    Look at these my work-strong arms and
    You’ve got to see my bottle full of charms

    I mean it’s supposed to be about ME, right, not just the game.

    Shazam! And I strike out the side.*

    *In this scenario, I am able to throw a ball with any degree at all of speed and accuracy

  341. JMHawkins on July 17th, 2007 12:28 am

    Not “You’ve Got Another Thing Comin’”? Definitely be mine

    Oh, no it has to be “Delivering the Goods.”

    Gonna do it again and again
    We’ll beat you to submission
    So you might as well surrender
    You gotta learn your lesson
    ‘Cause there ain’t nobody here to defend your heart

    But really, most anything off Hell Bent for Leather would do.

  342. Colm on July 17th, 2007 12:48 am

    Crikey, Lauren, if Sheila na Gig really is about you… I just shudder to think. That’s some pretty earthy exhibitionism.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheela_Na_Gig

  343. Sidi on July 17th, 2007 1:08 am

    If I was picking intro music…I’m not sure I could resist “Money for Nothing.” Especially if I was just a crappy utility guy.

    Now, as a relief pitcher/closer I’d definitely go with Devil’s Dance Floor (Flogging Molly). If the idea of an Irish girl with eyes “the color of insanity” pulling you into a satanic mosh pit isn’t frightening…well…you haven’t heard Bridget Regan on tin whistle.

  344. Karen on July 17th, 2007 4:07 am

    Wow. Re: all that “music”, especially the TITLES, what have I been missing all these years? I’ve never been able to understand the NEED to run around with a Walkman (dating myself) or an iPOD plugged in, or before that, walk around with a boombox :)

    I confess, after my teenage years when I listened to KJR endlessly (when they played ’50s and ’60s music), I stopped turning music on automatically as background noise. I guess I always preferred to listen to the music of my own thoughts.

    Boy, do I feel like a crotchety old codger-ette.

  345. Karen on July 17th, 2007 4:12 am

    Baseball content: I wonder if Billy Beane thinks he can run ol’ Mike Piazza out there behind the plate now that he’s gotten rid of Jason Kendall?

    Everyone seems to think they’ll try out the rook, but hey, is there some record to set/pass that Mike Piazza needs time behind the plate?

  346. zzyzx on July 17th, 2007 6:43 am

    The 12 minutes only counts if you don’t think the tension waiting for the pitch is important. The anticipation is as important for my enjoyment as the actual result, which probably is why I have problems watching a tape delayed game.

  347. msb on July 17th, 2007 7:41 am

    #346– they also got a catcher back, as back-up…

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