Game 94, Mariners at Blue Jays
Dave · July 21, 2007 at 8:38 am · Filed Under Mariners
Weaver vs Towers, 10:05 am.
As far as non-Safeco matchups go, this one is pretty Weaver friendly. The Blue Jays best hitters are all right-handers, and Weaver’s traditionally much better against same handed hitters. I don’t expect him to dominate, but if we have to start the back end of our rotation on the road, this is about as good a matchup as we can hope for.
Josh Towers is the Blue Jays version of Cha Seung Baek – throw the ball over the plate and see what happens. He’s a bit homer prone, but he won’t walk anyone, so the M’s will have to earn their runs today.
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To think a team with Jeff Weaver and Jose Vidro would be in the playoff hunt.
To think that a team with Jeff Weaver would win the World Series.
Ture. So very ture.
Weaver will be all right today… i feel it for some reason..
Chopstik,
That’s just the buzz you have left over from last night
Adding on top of that; to think Weaver was one of the reasons a team won the World Series.
Everytime I see Vidro in the 2 spot and Ibanez hitting 3rd it feels like a kick in the stomach. Why must the Mariners tempt fate instead of just putting their best lineup out there everyday and easily beating teams like the Oreo’s and BJ’s?
Weird lineup for the Jays..
I can’t wait for tomorrow….i’ll be sitting first row behind the M’s dugout cheering for the Mariners, although it will be Halladay pitching against Ramirez. Crap.
Dave -
Sorry if I missed it but anxiously awaiting your trade deadline piece. Been delayed because more fodder on the fire? Keep up the good work!
For the love cheese bench Sexson, let’s see Broussard out there.
RE #9
The M’s pushed Ramirez back and the King is starting tomorrow against Halladay. So it should be a real treat.
Holy Crap….are you serious, this is great news. My girlfriend bought me tickets as a b-day gift back in May, so I could only hope for the 1-5 chance of seeing The King.
Mustard, I just read in the paper this morning that Felix is going to start tomorrow and they’re going to bump HoRam to start Monday against Texas. Lucky you! : )
Ugh… M’s pre-game is disgustingly bad. It’s about 1/10th as objective as Fox News.
Vidro post-ASB: 423/483/538
Yeah, if anyone is watching the game, I’ll be the guy wearing the Mariner gear (1977 throwbacks) My girlfriend gets the pleasure of wearing Mariners gear as well. lol Tomorrow just went from great to kickass.
Let’s hope for a Josh Flowers (bp tossing) kind of performance today.
Congratulations Mustard. Two gifts in one. Maybe 3 if your girlfriend actually likes baseball.
If your girlfriend bought the tickets for you, of course you’re going to get a good matchup. You think she’d give you HoRam as a gift?
(And actually, considering the time he spent on the DL, this season you had less than a 1-in-5 chance to see the King)
If we had any other hitter who could consistantly hit the ball to the right side, then I think McClaren would be more apt to move Vidro down in the lineup.
I hate the fact we burn through our three lefties in the first three hitters.
Good Line-Up McLaren, you jackass. Show some creativity. Fix some problems.
Ha. This game may feature the fastest lead-off hitter in the game against the slowest lead-off hitter in the game. Gotta love Matt Stairs.
“Josh Towers is the Blue Jays version of Cha Seung Baek – throw the ball over the plate and see what happens. He’s a bit homer prone, but he won’t walk anyone, so the M’s will have to earn their runs today.”
I predict either quick innings or a quick hook for Towers. If the M’s find the range, he’s toast early. If not, then they’ll be burning through innings, swinging at the first pitch.
She loves it live, not so much on TV. 3 years now and she still has plenty of questions, which is great. Last time the M’s were in town she was impressed by Ichiro’s stretching routine in the on deck circle, and asked why Beltre swung at so many pitches that he couldnt reach. Great!
I’m sticcking a pin in my mlbam voodoo doll…. the Ms game is blacked out in southern indiana…. kiss my ass.
Why is this blacked out on mlb.tv???
I hate FOX…
F FOX. And to make matters worse they M’s aren’t on the Fox Saturday schedule for the rest of the season.
Game is on CBC here in Canada, and blacked out on MLBTV here.
BTW, Toronto is a GREAT city but I’m not a huge fan of watching games in Rogers center. It kind of has the sterile feel that some domes can have IMHO.
Wow, quick two outs.
Where was the 12 pitch at bat Ichiro? Come on!
1,2,3. Good contact for 2/3 AB’s though.
6 Pitches, way to work the count fellas. Just cause we can’t see you on TV doesn’t mean that you can suck without us knowing.
CBC is broadcasting about 5 seconds earlier than FSN! Amazing!
Nice play by Beltre, 1 out.
Gameday and MLB Audio is about 30 seconds off sync. Perfect.
Holy crap, was that an 5 minute first inning? haha
Sexson with… range?
Weaver finishes it off as awkwardly as possible too.
Good inning anyways.
22: Jose Reyes slower than Ichiro? He is 10 years younger…
Oh come on. He’s 50/50 on those calls god damnit.
I know this is early, but Towers seems to have his command and movement which means the M’s have to be patient or its going to be a quick game.
CBC commentators are saying that Sexson can carry a team on his back for a month or two once he gets hot. Ummm, so when is that going to be?
TB up 1-0 already. Good to see the Devil Rays doing some dirty work for us beating the Angels and Yankees.
At least Richie made him throw some pitches.
We aren’t going to work the count today, and from Dave’s description of Towers, we shouldn’t. Taking pitches today is a recipe for striking out. That doesn’t mean swing at any old crap, but it does mean that the pitch count’s going to be low, and it isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
See what I’m talking about? Third pitch was a strike, such bullshit this ump is.
When he’s on, Weaver is fun to watch pitch – he has a nice, smooth delivery and his pitches do move around.
#46, that may be true…but are the Mariners supposed to make Towers look this good?
Let’s watch the second time through for the M’s. They may just need the first run to get used to his pitches.
If he puts ‘em down on 2-3 pitches each the second go ’round, then we’re in trouble.
mustard, bring a fries sign for blowers, they showed some guy last night with a sign. good way to get on tv back in seattle
Game’s on channel 99, people!
Gosh, those are frustrating. Little bloop base hits.
ya right handed hitters are only hitting .321 off of Weaver..
I’ll be taking a sign tomorrow, maybe i can sneak in a promo for ussmariner.com on there.
Am I the only one getting it on FSN?
54-
What are right handed hitters hitting off him since he came off the DL? He’s been a completely different pitcher since then.
I’m getting it on FSN. I think the people kvetching are out of the Seattle area.
Ah right right. MLB.tv is crap on Saturdays. This is the kinda stuff they don’t tell you when you sign up.
crap
Would Adam Jones have made that throw to the plate closer?
wow.. i get it on FSN too
I love watching Yuni play left field…
Weaver threw 2 different pitches that whole AB, Weaver needs to mix it up more then anyone. Gameday also has him getting hosed on a few strike calls already.
Holy cow. Baseball on already? Now I have to split my time with Harry Potter.
Game is proceeding just like yesterday – only 1 run given up when it could have been a lot worse. Now watch as we work our comeback.
Ooh. I’m tempted to watch the rest of the game on CBC. Even the commercials will be more fun!
No problems viewing mlb.tv in Switzerland, as per.
Though west coast night games starting at 4am my time are an issue.
#67, where are you watching from?
Ugh, can’t do it. The picture is so much worse. For shame, CBC!
Mustard: plain ol’ City of Seattle. With limited cable, no less.
You guys complain so much about Sexson. Do any of you actually realize that his strikeout percentage is down and his walk percentage is up along with his contact percentage, his isolated power index, and his expected BA. His BABIP is almost a hundred points below where it has been the last three years, which suggests he’s been getting very unlucky.
nice, didnt think you got CBC there. Not a fan of Jim Hughson and his play by play.
Lauren – what channel (I assume Comcast).
Does anyone know if us MLB.tv viewers out of the Seattle area are going to get Fox fucked again for the game tomorrow?
Aw. Adorable Lyle Overbay commercial! Those Canadians are so cute.
fishiam: as maalox said, 99.
Hey, we have some good commercials here! hahah
Wow, the picture really is worse (and I don’t have HD).
DAMellen — all we know is he looks hopeless at the plate. That’s something stats can’t measure
72- Unlucky or bad it doesn’t matter he isn’t helping the team. I would rather have a 1B that was over achieving then an unlucky one.
well Axtell, i will agree wit you there. But hitters still have hit .300 off him in July..
CBC plays Arrested Development at midnight sometimes.
Just so everyone knows, CBC does not usually have baseball games and its the last channel I checked as a last resort. lol I’ll take what i get though today.
I don’t put too much stock into ‘lucky’. If you’re batting around 200 you should better have a lot of home runs or something else to make up for it. I don’t count walks as that something.
How bout those Mariners?
A hitter has some effect on his BABIP also, all contact is not created equal. If he is driving the ball hard it will go up, if all he can manage is weakly hit GB’s and FB’s that number goes down.
So you’re into stats when they enforce what you think and against them when they offer a different opinion? Interesting.
Corco: we’re not going out. You’re too young for me. Welcome back though!
Does anyone remember where I left my shoes last night?
People are down on Sexson because his range sucks and he makes too much money which means we are likely stuck with him for the duration.
DAM: the real answer is that none of the real stat-wielders are here yet today. Apparently none of us are capable of really contradicting the Sexson stats effectively, but I’m sure there is a counterargument to be made.
God damnit, son of a!
WOW. Ok, cbc is awesome. They just played the umpire loudly saying “GODDAMN IT MOTHER–”
Then they replayed it.
and acknowledged it…we’ve all seen it on us stations and they just pretend it didn’t happen
Look at that speed.
So it was on FSN too?
was watching cbc
yeah, the mic on that ump was awesome and the acknowledgment of his profanity was funny too.
Turbo, the new igniter!
Vidro helping his cause, I am going to say that Ibanez will not be helping his cause with this AB.
Have you not been watching him flail away at the plate virtually every game? It’s just frustrating and hard to watch I guess.
So you don’t pay attention to folks when they explain why they don’t think the stats you’ve cited tell the whole story? How about that.
I still think Sexson will come around, but when you’re BABIP is in the toilet and you aren’t making much solid contact, something might be really wrong. And when the walks are rising at the same time, that something might be alowing bat speed.
#94, we always get the real deal.
you’re = your
Fair enough, Lauren. A raise in walk% along with an extreme drop in BABIP usually does indicate a player who is playing okay (especially when the k% is down and PX is up and all that), but I’m sure there’s a stat somewhere out there that says he sucks too. There always is.
BABIP is not a repeatable skill for pitchers, but it sure is for hitters. The numbers that really matter for hitters is OPS, which includes ability to drive a ball for good contact.
The poster boy for this is Ichiro. He’s got a tremendous BABIP. A lot of that is speed combined with good ground-ball contact skills.
Yeah, Sexson’s walking, and when he hits the ball he’s still driving it for power, but he’s hitting a lot more weak fly balls. That suggests that he’s lost some ability to drive the ball for base hits.
That means he’s lost something as a hitter. He’s still hitting lefties pretty well, so the best thing to do with Sexson is to turn him into a platoon player. If only we had a capable, left-handed hitting first baseman.
sexson’s ops+ this year (91) is the worst it’s been since his debut in ’97. if that helps convince you he’s falling off the wagon …
But he’s making more contact than he did last year. Obviously, Sexson was never a guy who made a lot of contact, but an increase is an increase. That would usually indicate an improvement. Also, I don’t understand your first thing. When did I ignore someone who explained that the stats I used didn’t tell the whole story?
103- I agree. I also think that Sexson is a HUGE part of the Mariners race to the playoffs. If he turns into the power hitter we need I think we could easily get into the playoffs. Hitting .200 Slugging .400 with only approximately 28-30 HR isn’t going to get us there.
We have hashed out that Sexson is terrible this year many times – you can check almost any game thread. A quick one if you wish to see some stats: Sexson is LAST among qualifed AL first basemen in OPS+ at 0.706. For $14 million a year. Yeeeeahhh.
DAMellen, aren’t you the same one who argued how good Heathcliff Slocumb was in 1997?
Nice play Weaver.
CBC announcer, Rance Mulliniks is now praising Duncan as a pitching coach who can turn pitchers around, and taking on reclamation projects.
Nice 8 pitch inning.
I argued that our bullpen was better with him than without him and I proved my point. He had the lowest FIP (the stat Dave said is most important for relievers) of any reliever on our team. He wasn’t good, but he was the best guy we had and our bullpen improved with him.
49 pitches through 4. Gameday shows his pitches looking hittable, usually in the 83-87 range and not much movement variance, but I will take another regressing to the mean start.
fishiam, that’s ops not plus. it doesn’t account for the difficulty of batting at safeco. let’s see what he does here.
I am loving how the CBC guys are actually questioning the umps calls in favour of the Mariners. You rarely see this.
Way to not help me out, Rich.
that’s sexson. always reaching.
118-
Am sure that’s in response to Gibbons getting tossed yesterday for arguing the 2 check swing strikeouts yesterday.
I’d like to see Broussard get some more starts. Why not give Sexson some rest on the bench? Or atleast, like everyone’s been saying for a while, platoon him. Just because he’s making loads of money? Or because it may hurt his confidence?
I just want whatever will help the M’s have a better chance to win ballgames really.
From this at-bat, he’s not getting around on pitches he should/used to.
56 pitches in 5 innings for Towers.
Apparently the guys want to get done with this game as quickly as humanly possible.
It sure looks like a beautiful day in Toronto, but this is ridiculous…
117 – yeah, I noticed that, I thought THT listed OPS+ by default. I’m looking for the usual site that gives OPS+ – I’m betting it doesn’t make Sexson look any better – I mean look how far behind the NEXT TO LAST batter he is.
lol, cbc needs to turn off the ump mic or whatever that is
Aaron Hill- “ahhhh f**k, f**k”
I love how you can hear this crystal clear.
Well we all want the Ms to win more games, Pumpkin. The question is how best to do that. I agree with giving Richie a few extra days off cuz I’m sure he’s getting frustrated, but I think we have to give him a chance to get himself together too. Broussard is good though and I’d be in favor of giving him a little extra time in the lineup. I’d like to see Sexson, Guillen, and Vidro all rest a little more to fit Benny in there.
Ha! Now a curse word admitted on FSN. This must be profanity day or something. The effects of the free-speaking Canadians?
Sexson OPS+ 91, lowest of any full season.
Aaron Hill was loud enough to get up to the booth, and Dave is now apologizing for him.
No appologizes on CBC and they even showed the live replay.
#107 – I am not convinced that pitchers do not have meaningful impact on BABIP. As you mentioned, it clearly appears to be a repeatable skill for hitters.
I have a strong suspicion that the variability in a pitchers BABIP between years/months/etc has everything to do with what batters they’re facing. Do you know if anyone has done any research into “expected” BABIP based on batters faced?
Where are you guys finding OPS+?
DAM: baseball-reference.com has it.
Yeah I know, but I thought there was a site where you can see who’s leading the league and that kind of stuff.
134 – but you can’t select for position players (maybe if you register/pay you get that ability). Go to the page for Sexson and his career stats will show his OPS+.
Ichiro needs a double or triple to get us going here.
so what’s the story then? is he, as we suspect, at the bottom of al first basemen? or is the stat not out there for free. anyone have a prospectus? i’m traveling.
89: Don’t worry about it, you’re too old for me.
I think we need to steal here.
I can do a manual search at BR, using the list of qualified 1B at THT. Give me a few minutes.
Come on, Ichiro. Zaun couldn’t throw out my sister and you’re at least as fast as she is. We need a man in scoring position. Oh good. There he goes. Now try again.
138 with a OPS+ of 91 I would say bottom 10 easy, possibly bottom 5. We will see what fishiam comes up with.
Stupid hit and run…..the Jays are horrible at throwing out runners. Zaun fluked out last night. STEAL!
Nix that, I love the hit and run. haha
That’s a run if…oh well. Good job, Turb.
Please, just one more hit. I’ll also accept a wild pitch or pass ball.
Frankly, I am rooting for a passed ball here
MY TURBO LOVER!!!
Vidro back to .300.
It’s not a good sign when right now I’d rather have Ibanez on the bench and Vidro DHing than the other way around.
Can we please get Jones up here fast? I hate knowing that Raul is not going to come through for us. Brutal.
damn
At least he gave it a good ride.
He came close. Boy, Wells really deserves those gold gloves doesn’t he?
:’(
Close only counts in horseshoes.
Ral is struggling, he might never get another U from me.
So, here are the results – and Aubrey Huff is actually worst in both OPS and OPS+. But still …
RK PLAYER TEAM OPS OPS+
1 Carlos Pena TAM 1.009 162
2 Mark Teixeira TEX .963 149
3 Justin Morneau MIN .938 146
4 Ryan Garko CLE .903 140
5 Paul Konerko CHW .887 129
6 Kevin Youkilis BOS .876 130
7 Kevin Millar BAL .839 123
8 Casey Kotchman LAA .836 125
9 Dan Johnson OAK .795 114
10 Sean Casey DET1 .764 104
11 Richie Sexson SEA .704 91
12 Aubrey Huff BAL .688 82
Dang
Yeah that’s certainly ugly. Where are you getting these numbers from?
Vernon is good though and I love that they have Jessie Barfield there to talk about him. A bit of credibility.
150 Sadly I’ve been thinking the same thing for the past week. Just bring in Adam Jones for Ibanez, and take care of Vidro later.
thanks fishiam!
156:
And hand grenades. And nuclear weapons and government work.
Hola. from Mexico!!
I thought he was going to lose the ball when it went from sunlight to shade, but he tracked it all the way. Bah.
160 – The OPS and list of qualified batters are from the link I provided earlier at the Hardball Times. the OPS+ comes from here: Baseball Reference
#164, yeah i’ll give you that. haha
Damn. I thought that was gone. Woo.
Missed the link first time: here
Nice Game from weaver
Broussard at .794 115
Platoon them with their splits and you get Sexson .751 vs. LHP and Broussard at .800 OPS
On baseball reference you can get stats by position?
That was a beautiful strikeout pitch.
Would all of the people who thought before the game we were going to get a pitcher’s duel please raise your hand?
Didn’t think so.
173 – I don’t think so, not for free anyway. But you can get them by position (though not OPS+) at The Hardball Times.
vegas was fooled . . . they expected 10.5 runs
177 – game’s not over
Oh beltre. Not even sexson’s arms make contact with that.
So will everyone love Sexson if he puts one in the seats right here?
There has only been 6 hits, 10 runs doesn’t look good.
180- No. If he continues to do it on a regular basis, yes.
Just started watching the game. I’m a bit confused here…didn’t Josh Towers used to be one of the worst pitchers in baseball?
Cy Towers is killing us….or is it our hitters?
#182- What if i changed “love” to “tolerated” hahha
And Turbo has our only two hits of the game…ughh.
I figure our hitters are just laying off to make Towers overconfident. On the fifth or sixth time through the lineup, then they’ll nail him.
check the number of hits/runs the mariners have had in these east coast day games at the beginning of a trip . .. nothing in new york in may, nothing today.
Towers is up to 86 pitches – if Jose can foul off a dozen more, maybe they’ll take Towers out of the game due to pitch count.
VERY nice at bat, counts as a base hit.
I’m okay with this.
190: I guess not. How is that an error?
Changed to an error, now on to the bullpen.
189 Nice prophecy
They’re not actually pinch hitting johjima against a righty are they?
Not sure, they are saying that Glaus would have had the force at second if picked cleanly.
broussard or kenji here ? who do you want ?
Is there anyone else in the league that hits for a high average and not much power that’s in the DH spot?
I guess that would equate to low XBH and high avg.
Gotta be Broussard
I want Burke. Kenji needs his day off and Jamie has come through during his small sample size time.
So, 158, where are the NYY and TOR 1B numbers?
They can’t look pretty with the crap they’ve been trotting out.
I don’t think we can put this one on the pitchers. The home plate umpire is giving the pitchers the outside corner all day long. This pitchers’ duel is on the umpire.
Time to shine Benji
Now switched back to a basehit…
Broussard is the right call. And they changed it back. Good call.
crap
Ditto
Is it just me or does Ben Broussard = Jose Vidro with power?
201 – I guess no single individual on those two teams has enough qualified ABs (3.1 AB/game) and so they don’t show up on a list filtered to include only qualified batters.
When the M’s play like this it makes me a sad panda.
According to Joe’s tracer Josh Towers just got 20 outs without ever throwing a pitch in the strike zone.
Weaver got away with one there. If that bat didnt break, it was gone.
Wells scares me ever since I found out he hit the hardest home run of the year, came off the bat at 121MPH. It was noted in a recent THT article.
100 MPH for Weaver on that last pitch??? BS.
showed 91mph on CBC.
I was at a game at Safeco this year and apparently Kevin Milwood threw one 108.
We got good Weaver today…too bad the offense decided to take the day off….Sexson is making me angry.
The gun must be set to km.
87 on Gameday.
I’m enjoying the CBC commercials — bitchy angels in heaven snacking on Philadelphia Cream Cheese and noting the new female angel with the “perky” wings — “Those can’t be real….” sez one.
Don’t think that would fly here in the theocracy.
Yuni…
Yeah, and Verlander’s curve clocked in at 93.
Scott Downs coming in, pretty tough lefty.
He’s gonna be facing a tough lefty though
I love it when managers bring in lefties to face Ichiro! Thanks Gibbons!
51 appearances for Downs, leads the AL.
Downs is going to be facing a pretty tough batter also…
Well it gets even easier for him now!
My new policy is to root for Vidro to reach base on an error every time he comes to bat.
They have to accidentally hit a home run or something right? The BJays aren’t going to shut them out, please!
Anybody else would’ve reached. Well Accardo isn’t the toughest closer in the league. Of course, he’s not the worst either.
Gotta run – go M’s.
Well we will be facing Accardo next inning. He is hittable and prone to blowing a save.
229, how about we root the same for the entire lineup? Then we would be unbeatable.
Oh God. I’d be so sad to see Weaver throw a CG loss.
Dear God, please dont let Weaver get a complete game loss. I mean this is his longest outing this year. Can I please ask for one more hit in the 9th, and that it at least be a HR?
Thanks,
Mariners Fan
This game is ass-tastic!!! See the ball, hit the ball, fellas!
If this game can’t sell the FO/Mac on at least the need for a platoon at 1B, and probably other changes…I don’t know what will.
At least a HR? And not a super homerun?
236. He pitched a 9 inning, 4-hitter vs. PIT. But yes, we need some runs.
236: I thought Weaver had a 9 inning complete game shutout earlier in the year.
238: I think we need a Super Duper Veteran Effect(tm) home run!
Sorry about that, going by the CBC commentator’s and they said it was his longest…didnt double check.
#238, do Super HR’s count as two runs? If so, then a Super HR would be great.
We’ve already been through this today, so I’ll just say this: more time off for Richie, sure, but a fullblown platoon would be a mistake.
234 I root for other members of the team to get a hit in every at bat, naturally. What do you do?
244: I root for all triples.
244, Vidro hate is so last month =)
I root for all triples….from Turbo.
Richie Sexson makes Jeff Manto look like an All-Star
243: Sorry, I came late…around where were the comments discussing why full platoon would be a mistake?
Ral is going lose some other letters pretty soon.
245: root for that now.
Nobody makes Jeff Manto look like an all-star. Sorry, Manto.
At least Raul is a veteran! At least he’s a good leader! At least hes a great clubhouse guy! At least he doesn’t embarass the club! (except at the plate)… I give up, please bring up Jones….
Oh, beautiful. Ibanez really deserves to remain in the #3 spot.
246 247 I like triples better than anything but ITP HR’s, but rooting for either of them feels a bit like rooting for a full solar eclipse.
Not specifically that a platoon would be a mistake, but that Richie could turn it around. It was just me saying it so feel free to disagree. I just don’t feel like discussing it anymore.
Where’s Greg Pirkl c.1994 when you really need him?
Alright….i’m starting to get worried here…..
Since I am going to be at tomorow’s game, right over the M’s dugout, what should be the sign i create?
2 backward K’s in the bottom of the 9th, stellar.
242: He is the venerable Jim Hughson, after all. He’s probably more used to doing all those Canucks games on TV.
Although, he did just shower a heap o’ accolades on JJ a moment ago.
252, If Lou gave me a little more time in 96′ I could have been an All-Star. Damn you, red ass!
Fuck.
Weaver deserved better than that
Bummer. Go Twins.
Wow… maybe I should thank FOX that wasn’t on TV.
Hmm, Ibanez was under an OPS of .500 in July before this game…
Fuck.
On the bright side, Weaver looked really good.
Yeah, Fox decided to treat us to the powerhouse White Sox today instead. Yippee!
I’m sorry, but it had to be said. That was weak.
#259: I’ll pay you $5 bucks (canadian) if you paint USSMARINER.COM across your chest and dye your hair teal.
Nice mouth on you there, DAMellen.
Stupid AND uncouth. Nice combo.
Yeah, if you follow the Washburn-esque logic that ERA is a more important stat than wins, then Weaver’s performance was actually a mini-victory of sorts.
270 – Thanks for the apology. That was a great affront to my fragile sensibilities.
Oh, and I see our other dumb newbie is not doing any better.
256: ok…frankly I’m tired too. My opinion is that the “Richie turning it around” ship has sailed, and that he should only be allowed to hit against lefties. Reasonable minds can differ, though…so let’s leave it there.
Dave, I wasn’t aware that this is a G Rated forum.
Go figure…after all those craptastic outings early in the season, Weaver finally pitches his best game of the year with ZERO offense behind him.
Almost like a line from an Alanis Morissette song!
I wasn’t aware that it was a free for all either. It doesn’t have to resemble a Pioneer Square wino bar either.
An inability to express oneself adequately without resorting to profanity is usually an indication of a less than stellar mind.
Lets all light a candle for Bonser!
JeffS – Actually, this is a ‘PG-13′ rated blog/forum/whatever. But just like with PG-13 films if we mention the f-word more than thrice the rating is automatically changed to ‘R’.
Don’t worry DAMellen, not all of us are offended by an outburst of emotion! So davepaisley, how long have you been a regular reader of this fine blog?
278 This is Weaver’s second best outing. Don’t forget his CG SO of the Pirates.
Or were you considering the level of competition?
mustard, some sign about wanting fries from mike blowers did they show any today ?
And Krueger on the post game saying how Felix needs to establish his fastball tomorrow instead of throwing so much breaking stuff. Now –that’s– quality analysis.
#72 aka DAM:
Sexson’s BB rate isn’t that different from his career average and his ISO would be his career worse (by a long shot) if his season ended today.
How optimistic are you about his significantly decreased LD%, increased GB% and career low HR/FB%? Sometimes a low BABIP has nothing to do with luck.
The Ms are paying Sexson $14M to be worse than a replacement level first baseman (his bat is roughly replacement level while he plays minus defense). The only redeeming thing about his ’07 season really is that his platoon splits are make him a weakly passable partner for Ibanez or Broussard.
Sexson is not going to turn the corner. What kills me the most about the Sexson is not any stat but the fact that he doesn’t seem to care about his terrible performance. At some point a player can no longer be said to be in slump. It is ridiculous that he is paid more than Vladimir Guerrero.
I see I’m not the only one who’s fed up with Sexson and Ibanez. Note to management: Could you please, please bring up Adam Jones already???!!
You know, it’s really a shame that for all the times the bullpen has gone to work and gotten the job done in the 9th inning this season, the offense couldn’t return the favor tonight. Hats off to Weaver, regardless.
Also, since this is my first post on here, I’d like to echo the great minds on U.S.S. Mariner and say BRING UP ADAM JONES
Wow, this was an odd game.
What kills me the most about the Sexson is not any stat but the fact that he doesn’t seem to care about his terrible performance.
And by what trick of mind-reading do you know this?
*UUUUUUUCKKKKKKKK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU RAUUUUUUUL…have some ‘U’s
I know $$ and name recognition is a reason to keep bad players in the lineup, but if the ultimate goal is winning why are Richie and Ibanez playing everyday and not really getting moved anywhere in the order? Hideous management
283: You’re right…did space on that one!
Aw, man. People dissing the wonder of profanity again? And another loss? Suckola.
Couldn’t watch or listen to the game…hadda go shopping…
It’s ESPECIALLY irksome to see a Weaver outing was wasted, losing by a shut-out AND by a single run. Ouch.
I didn’t know that a Pioneer Square wino bar was where people usually say ‘fuck.’ You learn something everyday.
1 Carlos Pena TAM 264 53 76 18 0 22 63 1 0 47 80 .288 .399 .606 1.005
2 Mark Teixeira TEX 252 45 77 21 1 13 46 0 0 43 61 .306 .411 .552 .963
3 Justin Morneau MIN 350 61 102 17 2 26 81 1 0 38 53 .291 .364 .574 .938
4 Ryan Garko CLE 268 43 85 16 1 12 39 0 1 20 55 .317 .384 .519 .903
5 Paul Konerko CHW 339 47 91 23 0 21 58 0 0 53 64 .268 .366 .522 .888
6 Kevin Youkilis BOS 322 54 100 23 1 9 46 2 1 45 48 .311 .406 .472 .878
7 Kevin Millar BAL 249 31 69 13 1 9 37 0 1 43 48 .277 .393 .446 .839
8 Casey Kotchman LAA 268 34 77 17 3 9 40 2 0 28 26 .287 .362 .474 .836
9 Dan Johnson OAK 256 30 64 15 1 10 37 0 0 45 45 .250 .362 .434 .795
10 Sean Casey DET 282 27 84 23 0 2 35 2 0 30 28 .298 .363 .401 .764
RK PLAYER TEAM AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
11 Richie Sexson SEA 307 46 62 15 0 15 49 1 0 41 69 .202 .306 .397 .703
12 Aubrey Huff BAL 342 33 88 21 3 6 42 0 0 21 56 .257 .299 .389 .688
282 – “So davepaisley, how long have you been a regular reader of this fine blog?”
How about back to the days of asbsm on usenet, when Derek, Jason, Dave, Karen and msb were regulars?
Or, to put it another way, roughly when you were still soiling diapers on a regular basis.
Hey davepaisly, I was just asking a question. It was a response to your remark of “newbie”. While I’m not sure how long each individual reader has been reading this blog I can say you have been around longer then me. My hat is off to you sir! I started 2 seasons ago and love the work these guys do.
Now in reference to your statement that you have been reading this blog since I was “still soiling my diapers on a regular basis”. How the F*%K (notice I had some respect for your tender sensibilities) do you know when I stopped soiling my diapers on a regular basis? As a matter of fact, I feel the urge to soil RIGHT NOW!!!!!
On a serious note, davepaisley, you should remember one of the comment guidelines is to refrain from saying things that might get you punched in a bar. F*%K by itself usually doesn’t lead to fisticuffs. Calling someone “Stupid AND uncouth” has a good chance to start a brawl. Just food for thought….
sigh. never thought I’d feel sorry for Jeff Weaver.
did I hear Neihaus say that Towers was 5-0 against the Ms at Rogers Center?
OK, joealb, I apologize – should have directed my diaper comment at the poster who deserved it. The one who has been posting here for, what, 48 hours? And proved his inability to take a hint several times already. I’m not really sure why you have picked up his torch at all.
There’s even a place for occasional profanity (see today’s game, where the ump takes one in the ribs and was caught on TV reacting vociferously), but it should at least be part of some kind of comment that makes a point, rather than a one word exclamation that adds nothing to the debate.
Honestly, if you are OK with comments here turning into a profanity-riddled stream-of-consciousness rambling, I’d be surprised, as the place would be unreadable in a matter of days.
Weaver draws Haren next week.
so i missed the game. i was working. but read the re-cap. where is our offense?? weaver kicked ass today
Right on davepaisley, no appology necessary. I really wasn’t taking up anyones “torch”. I just thought your comment a little absurd considering DAMellen had just written exactly what I was thinking at the time. When it comes to ramblings, I stop to read very few of the comments around here that are not left by the authors. The rest, usually, are not worth the time to read. Maybe Churchill but that is about it. Your comment just caught my eye. After that, I couldn’t help myself, I have to admit, I CRACKED UP writing the “soil RIGHT NOW !!!!!” line.
IMHO, on content-driven sites such as this one, profanity detracts from the content in about 99.9999999999% of instances and consequently reflects poorly on the author. There’s a huge difference between standing out and being outstanding.
[with the exception of Churchill, about 200 USSM blogger contributor/commenters just got dissed, methinks]
I feel so inadequate.
I’m sure you’ve all stopped looking at this by now, but I’ll just say again that I’m sorry I swore. However, I do think I made my point rather nicely. Josh Towers is not that good a pitcher and he ripped through us like tissue paper, plus wasting a performance like that from any pitcher is upsetting, but from a guy like Weaver who has struggled so much this year, it seems even more awful.
This is so funny, I just have to post it. ON ESPN’s summary of the M’s BJ’s game is this summary:
A CLOSER LOOK
• Summary: Josh Towers outdueled Jared Weaver and Toronto’s bullpen made Aaron Hill’s RBI single stand up as the Blue Jays shut down the surging Mariners.
On the positive side … Angels lose so we’re still 1 back.
My job will only be done when everyone recognizes my title as mistress of fuck!
Wait, that came out wrong.
Sounded right to me Lauren, but I am the same guy that made the DSL joke. I think profanity is the simplest way to show your feelings. We all knew exactly what DAMellen meant when he said “Fuck”. I understood it and sympathized along with him.
And that’s three. One more and we officially have to change our rating to “R.”
This is baseball not gardening. You need to use the proper vocabulary to express the technical nuance. For instance would people still be quoting Lee Elia 25 years later if he hadn’t expressed himself so eloquently:
[deleted, there's no need to be that way about this]
ah, Uncle Lee. I gather he was in Toronto today, doing some advance scouting, and so stopped by to see McLaren
I’m just suggesting that threads laced with F-bombs don’t help the credibility cause….
BTW, people quote Lee Elia 25 years later because he imploded…. he wasn’t exactly being a wordsmith…