Game 102, A’s at Mariners

Dave · July 28, 2007 at 12:42 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Ramirez vs Gaudin, 1:05 pm.

More new line-ups from McLaren, even against a righty:

Ichiro-Lopez-Guillen-Beltre-Ibanez-Sexson-Broussard-Johjima-Betancourt

This might be the best line-up the M’s have run out there this year. The lefties are balanced throughout the order, Ibanez is out of the three hole, and Broussard provides some left-handed power. Well done, Johnny Mac.

Comments

231 Responses to “Game 102, A’s at Mariners”

  1. JI on July 28th, 2007 12:44 pm

    They could run an even better lineup out– if only they wanted to.

  2. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 12:45 pm

    Except I have to argue that Lopez’s lesser on-base abilities would case me to switch him with Joh. This looks like McLaren plans to bunt Ichiro over, as Lopez seems to be our designated sacrifice-er.

  3. zsiron on July 28th, 2007 12:51 pm

    I think we missed a game… Last night was 101, today is 103? Prediction: M’s win 4-3, start a run of 8 one-run victories in a row

  4. pygmalion on July 28th, 2007 12:56 pm

    3 This is all part of their master plan to destroy our psyches by alternating between long winning and long losing streaks.

  5. JG on July 28th, 2007 1:00 pm

    Is this game televised?

  6. zsiron on July 28th, 2007 1:02 pm

    5 – Nope.

  7. natebracy on July 28th, 2007 1:08 pm

    Didn’t McLaren say that Burke would catch every day game following a night game?

  8. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 1:21 pm

    Gameday has HoRam at 94?!?

  9. pygmalion on July 28th, 2007 1:23 pm

    90 90 94 93 93 against Swisher. I seem to recall hearing about GameDay inflation of pitch speeds in certain parks.

  10. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 1:24 pm

    So Felix didn’t really hit 101 yesterday on Swisher’s HR? :)

  11. msb on July 28th, 2007 1:25 pm

    take a damn pitch, someone, please.

  12. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 1:25 pm

    Anyone know how Gaudin compares to Hudson in terms of “stuff”?

  13. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 1:27 pm

    Raul’s OPS has dropped below .700…Shouldn’t that mean something?

  14. Lauren, token chick on July 28th, 2007 1:27 pm

    Hey! My picture box isn’t showing a video display of this baseball game! Whatthe…

  15. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 1:32 pm

    Isn’t FOX great? The Cardinals score 3 in the bottom of the 9th to win 7-6. Pujols singles in the 5th run, scores the sixth on a Rolen double. Ryan Ludwick singles in Rolen to win. Fox reports that Pujols hits the game winner and the announcers spend the next minute or so discussing how stupid it is to pitch to Pujols with a runner on second in the bottom of the 9th inning of a tie game…

  16. pygmalion on July 28th, 2007 1:33 pm

    A while earlier I was going to comment on Ho-Ram’s excellent ratio of strikes to balls. Not so much anymore.

  17. terry on July 28th, 2007 1:34 pm

    FOX is the greatest network in the history of mankind and possibly the history of life in the universe as we know it and even dont yet recognize it….

  18. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 1:35 pm

    If I’d loaded the bases, I’d want to face Donnie Murphy and Kurt Suzuki.

  19. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 1:35 pm

    gameday thinks HoRam has gotten screwed on two strike calls this inning.

  20. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 1:37 pm

    gameday also thinks HoRam sucks.

  21. Lauren, token chick on July 28th, 2007 1:37 pm

    A guy just brought up from the minor leagues has 3 RBI already in this game!

    Would that we could say the same…

  22. pygmalion on July 28th, 2007 1:39 pm

    Wow, Ho-Ram just can’t get anyone out.

  23. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 1:42 pm

    Super deadline deal!!!! Cantu to the Reds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  24. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 1:43 pm

    Mark Kotsay really sucks right now.

  25. pygmalion on July 28th, 2007 1:43 pm

    I guess that that was an anti-jinx.

  26. kenshabby on July 28th, 2007 1:46 pm

    So Weaver’s ERA has finally dipped below 6; meanwhile, HoRam’s just hit an even 7. Yay!

  27. John in L.A. on July 28th, 2007 1:46 pm

    Great, Horacio. Way to amp up the panic meter in the front office. I don’t see how, at this point, we avoid some disaster trade for mediocore starting pitching.

    The national media already has our FO running around like a pathetic drunk at a strip club looking for the stripper desperate enough to go home with him.

  28. John in L.A. on July 28th, 2007 1:48 pm

    Beltre is awesome. I am so glad he is nailing it in the 4th spot… small sample size could have made the decision either way… glad it rewarded the right way.

  29. kenshabby on July 28th, 2007 1:50 pm

    I heart the sac fly.

  30. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 1:51 pm

    Johjima!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  31. aerichner on July 28th, 2007 1:51 pm

    I must say, i was about to type that Johjima was due for a HR

  32. natebracy on July 28th, 2007 1:51 pm

    I heart HR

  33. VivoEnSafeco082 on July 28th, 2007 1:51 pm

    GOJO MOJOHJIMA!

  34. Lauren, token chick on July 28th, 2007 1:52 pm

    Kenjiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!

  35. pablothegreat on July 28th, 2007 1:54 pm

    27: I resent that comment.

    Home runs are awesome.

  36. kenshabby on July 28th, 2007 1:57 pm

    I heart the HR even more. :)

  37. aerichner on July 28th, 2007 1:57 pm

    so, who is coaching the M’s next season??

  38. kenshabby on July 28th, 2007 1:59 pm

    Great day for Kenji-kun.

  39. pygmalion on July 28th, 2007 2:01 pm

    If he keeps it up we’ll have to go to Kenji-sama.

  40. terry on July 28th, 2007 2:02 pm

    Davey Johnson.

  41. pygmalion on July 28th, 2007 2:06 pm

    40 Stop, I don’t want to get mad at the FO for future sins in addition to the present ones.

  42. agingfan on July 28th, 2007 2:06 pm

    Lincoln would never tolerate Davey Johnson, and Johnson would never put up with Lincoln and Bavasi. Johnson not merely does not suffer fools gladly, he is not embarassed about calling them fools, even when they are owners, like Angelos in Baltimore.

  43. pensive on July 28th, 2007 2:07 pm

    McLaren is the manager next year.

  44. kenshabby on July 28th, 2007 2:08 pm

    39 – Yeah, it goes from Kenji-chan, to Kenji-kun, to Kenji-san, all the way up to Kenji-sama. :)

  45. aerichner on July 28th, 2007 2:09 pm

    Fine I can give McLaren one more year…so who’s the GM? Kim Ng? :)

  46. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 2:09 pm

    This hp ump is extremely erratic.

  47. agingfan on July 28th, 2007 2:12 pm

    The problem is that if the Ms finish close to .500, Bavasi probably keeps his job. If we got a new GM (i.e., the M’s collapse), I would guess he or she would want to pick their own manager and McLaren would be out of luck.

  48. Mr. Egaas on July 28th, 2007 2:13 pm

    Perhaps the Mac Attack is becoming a USSM regular.

  49. aerichner on July 28th, 2007 2:15 pm

    I’ll take Paul DePodesta

  50. pygmalion on July 28th, 2007 2:17 pm

    44 And perhaps up to Dai-Kenji-sama, if he is really awesome.

    Actually I’m not so sure it is idiomatic to add “dai-” to someone’s name, but thinking about this takes my mind off Ho-Ram’s struggles.

  51. lokiforever on July 28th, 2007 2:18 pm

    I wonder if HoRam is getting squuezed as bad as Gameday indicates? Since you suck, we’re giving you the small strike zone today…just to add to your misery.

  52. John in L.A. on July 28th, 2007 2:18 pm

    You walk three guys in an inning you do not throw another pitch, if I’m managing.

  53. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 2:18 pm

    maybe gameday is off, but it seems this umpire sucks.

  54. aerichner on July 28th, 2007 2:18 pm

    HOW DO YOU WALK THE BASES LOADEd???!?!?!!?!!?!

    I cant take it

  55. JeffS on July 28th, 2007 2:19 pm

    49, never going to happen.

  56. aerichner on July 28th, 2007 2:19 pm

    Kotsay is playing for us today

  57. pygmalion on July 28th, 2007 2:19 pm

    The last four Athletics hitters have a combined OBP of .750 for this game.

  58. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 2:20 pm

    Amazingly, HoRam has a shot at a Quality Start.

  59. lokiforever on July 28th, 2007 2:20 pm

    And easy ground out, as Ramirez cruises through another inning. You, know he only had troube ein the second, when the A’s picked up their runs.

  60. lokiforever on July 28th, 2007 2:20 pm

    BTW – Definition of a quality start? anyone?

  61. lokiforever on July 28th, 2007 2:21 pm

    Thanks, I guess my fingers aren’t broken……
    awarded to a starting pitcher who completes at least six innings and permits no more than three earned runs

  62. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 2:22 pm

    6 or more innings, 3 or less earned runs.

  63. pygmalion on July 28th, 2007 2:22 pm

    Sexson seems determined to make sure that Ibanez’s BA looks good.

  64. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 2:23 pm

    WTF just happened?!?

  65. DizzleChizzle on July 28th, 2007 2:24 pm

    For Seattle it would be 81+ pitches thrown in less than 4 innings with 3 or less earned runs.

  66. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 2:24 pm

    And this umpire must be on the take.

  67. JeffS on July 28th, 2007 2:24 pm

    David, what’s going on with the ump? I’m listening to the game on the radio.

  68. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 2:26 pm

    I don’t know how accurate gameday is, but it is clearly showing ball/strike favoritism towards Oakland.

  69. John in L.A. on July 28th, 2007 2:27 pm

    David, where are you watching the game?

  70. John in L.A. on July 28th, 2007 2:28 pm

    Oh, nm.

    Put very little stock in Gameday… certainly not enough stock to claim bias.

  71. Karen on July 28th, 2007 2:28 pm

    I see via GameDay that Ted Barrett is the HP umpire today. Isn’t he the one who screwed up the call on Ichiro yesterday at 1B?

  72. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 2:30 pm

    yeah okay, just some healthy anger to pass the time.

  73. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 2:33 pm

    Yuni!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  74. JeffS on July 28th, 2007 2:33 pm

    YUNI!!!

  75. prospect21 on July 28th, 2007 2:33 pm

    Yuni Bomb!

  76. Leave it to Weaver on July 28th, 2007 2:33 pm

    yuni-thats-my-bat-out-of-court

  77. Karen on July 28th, 2007 2:34 pm

    Poor Dave Niehaus. Even his HR calls don’t quite have the same oomph to them that they used to. I suppose that comes from not being able to see the flight of the ball on the field anymore, so he depends on the cameraman’s following the ball flight on the monitor…

  78. RussM on July 28th, 2007 2:34 pm

    #3 – so far so good…

  79. prospect21 on July 28th, 2007 2:35 pm

    It is ok to not swing at everything Lopez

  80. JeffS on July 28th, 2007 2:37 pm

    Is it just me, or is Niehaus sounding more confused that usual? He screamed for joy on a Sexson pop up last inning, but seemed perplexed by Yuni’s shot.

  81. Leave it to Weaver on July 28th, 2007 2:40 pm

    Gameday had 3 balls in the middle of the plate for Scutaro…that is quite odd

  82. pygmalion on July 28th, 2007 2:42 pm

    If Ho-Ram strikes out the side he will have an equal number of walks ans strike outs.

  83. Karen on July 28th, 2007 2:42 pm

    It’s not just you, JeffS. He’s been like this for a couple-three years. I think it’s a combination of his previous living-large lifestyle, smoking, and just plain age. I think he’s sworn off the previous two, but there’s nothing you can do about getting older…

  84. The Unknown Comic on July 28th, 2007 2:42 pm

    #80

    Gotta admit that is funny. I don’t have the game on TV but I can imagine Niehaus doing that.

  85. Rydogg2122 on July 28th, 2007 2:44 pm

    Good chance we’ll see Reitsma in there, hooray!

  86. Karen on July 28th, 2007 2:45 pm

    You know, if HoRam (nicely done, sez Dave Sims…really?) were to pitch this entire game, he’d have upwards of 175 pitches? Yeah, through 6 innings he pitched 108. Not very economical…

  87. Jake on July 28th, 2007 2:45 pm

    Our awesome set up man, Reitsma, will rear his ugly head

  88. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 2:45 pm

    Quality Start! Yes!

  89. carcinogen on July 28th, 2007 2:46 pm

    We definitely need to walk Swisher from here on in…I don’t want a repeat performance.

  90. awolfgang on July 28th, 2007 2:49 pm

    #81, I was thinking the same thing, how does someone get away with throwing belt-high 90-91 mph fastballs, ohhh yeah it Scutaro. Anyways is this game not on TV in Seattle as well? I thought it was just regional FOX crap, though it was nice seeing Ordonez just go deep to put the Tigers ahead of the Angels.

  91. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 2:50 pm

    Ibanez OPS now 7 points above Yuni for worst on the team. I don’t think I want him to DH after (whenever, if) AJ is called up.

  92. hcoguy on July 28th, 2007 2:51 pm

    Raul needs to go the DL, real or imagined injury whatever.

  93. John in L.A. on July 28th, 2007 2:51 pm

    Over the last ten games or so, Raul’s OPS is south of .430.

    That’s OPS.

    His average is about .138

    I don’t mean to suggest anything with that except that Bavasi is stupid.

  94. huhwhat on July 28th, 2007 2:52 pm

    Here comes Reitsma…I have no faith in him…

  95. aaron c. on July 28th, 2007 2:53 pm

    Re: Gameday, bias, etc.

    I know the guy doing today’s game for Gameday. I just talked to him and he mentioned that the ball/strike calls seem a bit skewed.

  96. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 2:53 pm

    Should we consider it a triumph that Reitsma is coming in now and not next inning?

  97. Karen on July 28th, 2007 2:53 pm

    Just one inning for Reitsma? We hope?

  98. gomer_kyle on July 28th, 2007 2:53 pm

    We really need Reitsma to do an excellent job today so we can use him for trade bait.

  99. Rydogg2122 on July 28th, 2007 2:54 pm

    Hey at least its not the 8th inning. Or maybe J-Mac intends on leaving out there for 2 innings.

  100. rrose on July 28th, 2007 2:55 pm

    Rietsma? Why would McLaren raise the white flag when we’re ahead?

  101. Karen on July 28th, 2007 2:55 pm

    #95. Ted Barrett is probably still a bit skewed himself from yesterday’s to-do with McLaren at 1B…

  102. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 2:55 pm

    I realize now it’s probably been just as skewed for Oakland…

  103. Karen on July 28th, 2007 2:57 pm

    I hate 3-2 counts and foul/foul/foul/foul’d pitches… You’d think he could get a ground ball, let his defense help out?

  104. Karen on July 28th, 2007 3:02 pm

    …for the second batter in a row…

    Only thing better than that groundout would have been the GIDP.

    And it looks like he had a short leash of 3 batters, not 3 outs. Bye, bye.

  105. thefin190 on July 28th, 2007 3:02 pm

    well, took reitsma out before the inning was over. good move bringing in sean green.

  106. Rydogg2122 on July 28th, 2007 3:03 pm

    Thank god, Reitsma is out of there. He should be used in mopup situations ONLY.

  107. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 3:05 pm

    Sean Green is awesome.

  108. JeffS on July 28th, 2007 3:05 pm

    Yeah! Way to go, Sean!

  109. joser on July 28th, 2007 3:08 pm

    OK, I went to the Capitol Hill Block Party instead of watching the M’s, and they won. I assumed the game was tonight so I only now started watching, and they’re ahead. If the A’s start coming back I promise I’ll go away again.

  110. joser on July 28th, 2007 3:11 pm

    Also, I just listened to Dave’s interview with Groz. This is consistently the best 10 minutes of sports coverage by “traditional media” available — locally or nationally. Even if Dave doesn’t breathe at all throughout.

    And I have to say, I completely feel his paranoia. Every report I see of the M’s scouting somebody (Jason Jennings? Ack! Matt Morris? Eek! Jose Contreras? Yikes!) I clutch at my chest.

  111. natebracy on July 28th, 2007 3:11 pm

    What about that Igawa rumor?

  112. thefin190 on July 28th, 2007 3:13 pm

    Igawa? thats worse than Morris or Contreras. If they do anything, id go or either Willis or Garland, they are both young and have potential to being good.

  113. JeffS on July 28th, 2007 3:15 pm

    I’d take a chance on Igawa. He’d be practically free at this point.

  114. JeffS on July 28th, 2007 3:15 pm

    So much for saving Lowe for a low pressure situation, lol.

  115. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 3:16 pm

    But didn’t Contreras go like 9-0 last year before the wheels came off? :)

  116. zvazda on July 28th, 2007 3:16 pm

    110 – Where did you find it to listen to? I missed it this week and am greatly curious.

  117. Rydogg2122 on July 28th, 2007 3:16 pm

    Jennings might not be a bad pickup if it doesn’t cost too much. He has pitched in Colorado and Houston.

  118. JeffS on July 28th, 2007 3:18 pm

    Oh, it’s no Lowe. Good going Niehaus!

  119. thefin190 on July 28th, 2007 3:18 pm

    115 – yea but this year it seems like hes pitching so bad its almost like he is purposely doing that to not get traded.

  120. zvazda on July 28th, 2007 3:19 pm

    Can we just leave Sherril in? Please?

  121. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 3:19 pm

    If it took Willie Tavaras and Taylor Bucholtz for Houston to get Jennings, it seems like it would take AJ, so yuck.

  122. joser on July 28th, 2007 3:19 pm

    Groz n’ Dave’s Excellent Interview

    That’s the direct link. In general, you want to go here and go to the “Audio” menu and choose “Groz on demand” (not “Groz with Gas”).

  123. JeffS on July 28th, 2007 3:20 pm

    Another pitching change… welcome back Lowe!

  124. Karen on July 28th, 2007 3:20 pm

    Fans elsewhere were talking about Igawa getting straightened out earlier this season when he was demoted, but when he’s gotten into trouble lately, he reverts to something he depended on in his career in Japan — pitching high in the zone — that routinely backfires here in MLB. I don’t know if that tactic not working relates to larger parks in the Japanese League, or what.

    Same fans seem to think San Diego or LAD might be reasonable destinations for his pitching style, although he might never be more than back-of-the-rotation (or even middle relief) for anybody.

    And they think that he shouldn’t be pitched on the road…sorta like HoRam.

    Hopefully Mariners scouts are saying the same thing to the M’s front office….

  125. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 3:20 pm

    Gotta love your # 2 and 3 bullpen pitchers getting one out each!

  126. Rydogg2122 on July 28th, 2007 3:21 pm

    AJ for Jennings, absolutely not.

  127. Norm Charlton Fan Club on July 28th, 2007 3:23 pm

    What just happened? Someone came onto the field?

  128. zsiron on July 28th, 2007 3:24 pm

    127 – Niehaus described it as a “fan” running into center field and hugging Ichiro! before the cops could get to him.

  129. Lauren, token chick on July 28th, 2007 3:24 pm

    Has anyone seen DMZ lately?

  130. Karen on July 28th, 2007 3:25 pm

    Funny, Lauren… :D

  131. joser on July 28th, 2007 3:26 pm

    Jennings, like Willis, is a pitcher who this year basically has HoRam’s ’06 numbers (compare). Not to say bringing him to Seattle will basically turn him into HoRam ’07, but it’s something to think about. Add in the likely price to get him and…. uh, no.

    In other news: Lowe! Damn, the best thing about this — assuming the kid can keep it up without over-stressing that arm with its experimental surgery — is that either Reitsma is expendable or Morrow can go down and become a starter (or both, if they bring up Mickolio).

  132. kenshabby on July 28th, 2007 3:26 pm

    I’m glad Sherrill is being seen as more than just a loogy. :p

    Crap. The Tigers’ bullpen is about as lousy as our starting rotation.

  133. JeffS on July 28th, 2007 3:28 pm

    ANOTHER pitching change?

  134. Karen on July 28th, 2007 3:28 pm

    3-2 counts, hate ‘em. Another short leash, eh?

  135. joser on July 28th, 2007 3:29 pm

    Volume 2 of “The Cheater’s Guide… as Written in Prison!”

  136. tgf on July 28th, 2007 3:29 pm

    either Reitsma is expendable or Morrow can go down and become a starter (or both, if they bring up Mickolio).

    I vote for both.

  137. terry on July 28th, 2007 3:29 pm

    Mclaren is using the bulpen like he means business today.

  138. thefin190 on July 28th, 2007 3:30 pm

    hmm hopefully J.J. doesn’t stay shaken since his last outing in texas.

  139. thefin190 on July 28th, 2007 3:30 pm

    131 – Yes! I hope they trade Reitsma, maybe get a little something for him. Or use him as a part of a deal for a team that needs bullpen help.

  140. JeffS on July 28th, 2007 3:31 pm

    $3.45 a gallon stuff. WTF?

  141. kenshabby on July 28th, 2007 3:31 pm

    That was a rather odd situation for Lowe to get his first work of the year.

  142. joser on July 28th, 2007 3:31 pm

    High octane.

  143. zvazda on July 28th, 2007 3:32 pm

    That’s why I love Dave N.

  144. hcoguy on July 28th, 2007 3:32 pm

    139. If we don’t want him, no one else does either.

  145. DAMellen on July 28th, 2007 3:32 pm

    The…the Big Wolverine? That’s new, right?

  146. JeffS on July 28th, 2007 3:32 pm

    YEEEAAAHHHHHH!!!! JJ IS BACK!!!!

  147. joser on July 28th, 2007 3:32 pm

    I don’t think JJ gets shaken. Stirred, maybe, but not shaken.

    Cust is a fastball hitter, given the choice of anybody in the bullpen throwing fastballs to the guy, I’d pick Putz.

  148. thefin190 on July 28th, 2007 3:32 pm

    144 – good point.

  149. Lefebvre Belebvre on July 28th, 2007 3:32 pm

    I believe Niehaus just got hit in the balls by Sims. That’s how it’s done JJ!

  150. terry on July 28th, 2007 3:33 pm

    That was a brutal beating by Putz…..CUST-ard’s last standish?

  151. _David_ on July 28th, 2007 3:33 pm

    Throwing Cust 4 straight fastballs = risky, but I’ve no right to complain about JJ’s decisions on the mound…

  152. joser on July 28th, 2007 3:34 pm

    The…the Big Wolverine? That’s new, right?

    Not really. Dave N has been doing variations on “Big Michigander” for quite a while, and referencing his UMich ties.

  153. terry on July 28th, 2007 3:34 pm

    Lets do a little Aflac with our top of the order and then relax for the top of the ninth….

  154. zvazda on July 28th, 2007 3:35 pm

    Thanks Joser. I’m a lot happier now that I’ve heard that.

    For What it’s worth, I scream Adam Jones’ name at everyone I see. Mostly my cast (all musical theatre people, so they don’t care), but also to the 3 other people I know.

  155. DAMellen on July 28th, 2007 3:36 pm

    152, ah…that makes sense. When I heard wolverine, U Mich didn’t even occur to me.

  156. carcinogen on July 28th, 2007 3:36 pm

    I see we used 5 relievers tonight…thank you JMac!

  157. terry on July 28th, 2007 3:38 pm

    WOW…four hits….this probably isn’t a one run game the Ms deserve to win….on the other hand, if they hold on, I’ll deal with my guilty conscience….

  158. Lefebvre Belebvre on July 28th, 2007 3:38 pm

    I try to watch or DVR a good portion of every game on TV. But I have to say – there’s something cool about kicking back on a Saturday afternoon and listening to Dave get excited on the radio again.

    It’s like 1982 all over again and I’m 11 years old listening in my bedroom on top of Queen Anne Hill. Remember those days, when there were about 30 games on tv a year?

  159. Rydogg2122 on July 28th, 2007 3:40 pm

    One thing I don’t like about this lineup is seeing Ichiro sandwiched between free-swinging Yuni and Lopez.

  160. zvazda on July 28th, 2007 3:40 pm

    LB – I don’t remember those days. But I do remember the days when my Mother wouldn’t let me watch them on TV so I had to listen on the Radio. I remember throwing my Yo-Yo on the floor in 2000 (pretty sure it was this year), when we lost in the playoffs.

  161. thefin190 on July 28th, 2007 3:41 pm

    J.J. its time to slam the door shut.

  162. zvazda on July 28th, 2007 3:42 pm

    I think J.J.’s angry that he blew a save.

  163. Lefebvre Belebvre on July 28th, 2007 3:44 pm

    Oakland’s hitting like we do when we’re down a run in the 9th! Good to know other teams struggle just like we do.

  164. Rydogg2122 on July 28th, 2007 3:44 pm

    Swisher has been hot lately.

  165. joser on July 28th, 2007 3:44 pm

    WOW…four hits….this probably isn’t a one run game the Ms deserve to win…

    Well, considering the games where they had double-digit hits and lost….

    Damn, JJ is in some otherworldy groove.

  166. joser on July 28th, 2007 3:45 pm

    Oakland’s hitting like we do when we’re down a run in the 9th! Good to know other teams struggle just like we do.

    Anytime the M’s offense is comparable to Oakland’s ’07 offense, they’re in beeeeg trouble.

  167. zvazda on July 28th, 2007 3:46 pm

    To the top of the 8th in a 3-3 Tie for the Angels.

  168. Lefebvre Belebvre on July 28th, 2007 3:48 pm

    Joser-

    Yes, that’s true. I retract that previous post.

  169. JeffS on July 28th, 2007 3:49 pm

    YEAH! Great win!!! Now lets hope Detroit can do their job!

  170. terry on July 28th, 2007 3:49 pm

    TWO GAME WINNING STREAK BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  171. Lefebvre Belebvre on July 28th, 2007 3:49 pm

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    Way to go KK Putz…or should I say KKKK Putz?

  172. Rumpelstiltskin on July 28th, 2007 3:50 pm

    Putz is the nutz!!!

  173. Carson on July 28th, 2007 3:51 pm

    First half revisited. That was not a game we should have won, looking at the box score. But, those are the wins you need to get. Great game.

  174. Lauren, token chick on July 28th, 2007 3:56 pm

    Go Twins! Go O’s! And most especially, go Tigers!

  175. discojock on July 28th, 2007 4:01 pm

    great game. question in comments… Why is it necessarily true that if you don’t want a guy on your team no one else wants him either? I’ve heard this a few times on the blog, and it sounds kind of true at first, but, really? I’m not so sure a team wouldn’t want, say, Sexson or Reitsma.

    Take Reitsma. I think it is somewhat realistic to think that this team has a wealth of relievers and also that releivers are in demand across MLB. So if you take those two statements as truth (for argument sake anyway), why wouldn’t we have something that we wouldn’t mind giving up that another team would appreciate. We don’t ‘want’ Reitsma because he is taking spots that should be filled by someone (or 2-3) we think are better pitchers. Doesn’t mean he has no value at all. I can bet there are teams in the NL who have seen Reitsma on good days and think he has some value. You can use the whole ‘track record’ bias to your advantage once in a while.

    I’m not saying we need to start speculating on how much we can get for the guy, just asking a question about something that seems to be accepted as common sense.

  176. joser on July 28th, 2007 4:06 pm

    Crap, Garret Anderson just put the Angels up 6-3 with a 3-run bomb.

  177. fetish on July 28th, 2007 4:07 pm

    Dude… JJ was killin’ em so hard Michael Jordan would have been proud. No thinking, no strategy. Just Fastball 100, Fastball 100, Fastball 100, Slider 91, and so on. The man had no conscious for who was at the plate or even if someone was at the plate. He was gonna throw it and he felt in his head that no one could hit it. end of story. In the Zone.

    baby.

  178. fetish on July 28th, 2007 4:11 pm

    175 discojock:
    I disagree. Reitsma’s been bad. He’s been hurt, he’s been bad, he’s right handed and he’s not young. I can’t think of a reason another organization would give up anything of value when they easily have a minor league option that provides similar ‘stuff’. It’s not that Reitsma has no value, but his marginal value is certainly zero.

  179. (Expletive) Dave Samson on July 28th, 2007 4:11 pm

    176… if you call fan interference a home run. What a BS call. I’m shocked they haven’t been kicked out by now.

  180. msb on July 28th, 2007 4:12 pm

    ah, I see my turning the radio off worked, just in time to keep the game from going the wrong way …. yes, it’s a dumb plan, but sometimes it works.

    speaking of JJ, the Lovely Mrs.Putz was on the pregame to announce a new Mariner cookbook

    oh, and the rumormongering goes on….

    “The Mariners, meanwhile, have serious interest in reliever Al Reyes and, possibly, Edwin Jackson.”

  181. bigdad03 on July 28th, 2007 4:14 pm

    Is Mariner management not calling up AJ because they’re afraid of what he may do if and when he comes up? What’s the deal? I agree with your position: improve the outfield defense and improve the pitching by default.

  182. (Expletive) Dave Samson on July 28th, 2007 4:14 pm

    Would that be the Edwin Jackson with the 7.0 ERA?

  183. msb on July 28th, 2007 4:15 pm

    are you allowed to actually tackle the catcher?

  184. terry on July 28th, 2007 4:15 pm

    Concerning Reitsma he hasn’t had an ERA under 6.3 or an xFIP under 5 in over two years. He’s looking done.

    Concerning Sexson, at his salary, his contract represents a dramatic overpay even at his ’06 production which translates into basically untradeable. The Ms couldn’t move Sexon this past off season. Given his ’07 production, only a drunken sailor of a GM would touch him.

  185. Rydogg2122 on July 28th, 2007 4:21 pm

    Thanks Tigers, a-holes.

  186. Lauren, token chick on July 28th, 2007 4:23 pm

    If our front office won’t use Adam Jones, can we lend him out to every opponent of the Angels?

  187. thefin190 on July 28th, 2007 4:26 pm

    Edwin Jackson? I think not even Bavasi would touch Edwin Jackson.

  188. Rydogg2122 on July 28th, 2007 4:27 pm

    I think the Tigers could use Reitsma.

  189. thefin190 on July 28th, 2007 4:27 pm

    186 – lol good idea.

  190. John in L.A. on July 28th, 2007 4:27 pm

    175- You’re right that it is not an absolute, but it is so often the case, that for the purposes of speculation it’s better to assume it to be true.

    If you allow people to presume that someone else would want our bad players, then open floodgates that will quickly drown the site.

    Seriously, you would not believe the trades people will propose… Carl Everett for Manny Ramirez, was a good one. I remember someone, not here, proposing that we trade Sasaki, AFTER he retired, for, I don’t remember, Vlad Guerrero, I think… “Of course, we’d throw in a minor league arm or something. they’d save money!”

    It really is better all the way around if you treat it as an absolute, even if it isn’t quite… it’s close enough.

  191. DizzleChizzle on July 28th, 2007 4:30 pm

    Way to bounce back Putz!

  192. Rydogg2122 on July 28th, 2007 4:31 pm

    Ok, we don’t know why the FO doesn’t bring up AJ. Now that Lowe is back, why not have Morrow start, see what he can do?

  193. aerichner on July 28th, 2007 4:42 pm

    Theres no question they should bring up AJ but if they’d rather not then atleast bring up Balentien

  194. Karen on July 28th, 2007 5:05 pm

    Reitsma’s original signing this last January strikes me as a “mercy” signing. As in, “surely he ain’t done yet?!”

    There’s a club option on him, too, for 2008, just to worry USSM fans some more…

  195. AuburnM on July 28th, 2007 5:32 pm

    HoRam did OK. As long as we continue to get good starting pitching we will hang in.

  196. carcinogen on July 28th, 2007 5:41 pm

    193: c’mon man…take a little time in posting.

  197. rrose on July 28th, 2007 5:43 pm

    How was Lowe’s velocity today?

  198. SethGrandpa on July 28th, 2007 6:09 pm

    Lowe was around 94-96 at tops.

  199. thefin190 on July 28th, 2007 6:10 pm

    Lowe was amazing. Now that he’s back Reitsma is definately expendible with the stacked bullpen that the M’s have. Putz, Morrow, Lowe, Sherril, O’Flahirty, Green. Wow.

  200. pygmalion on July 28th, 2007 6:16 pm

    195 I don’t think that Ho-Ram did okay – Ho-Ram + Safeco Field “did okay”. He must love his home park. It was practically made for him.

  201. bigdad03 on July 28th, 2007 6:20 pm

    A plea to Raul:
    Raul, please do the right thing and tell Mac you’re playing hurt and you need a rest. Tell him to call up your replacement Adam Jones. Tell him you’ll do whatever they ask of you like pinch hit or provide leadership, but that you’ll do it from the bench.

    Look, this team is on the brink of greatness. We, your fans, need you to step up and do the right thing. We all respect the heck out of you for continuing to play hurt, but let’s face it, you’re batting like 4 for July.

    While no one knows for sure whether Jones will hit up here, what we DO know is he’s a better fielder than you right now and can cover more ground. His defense alone is worth the move.

    Please Raul, do the right thing. We need this in Seattle.

  202. Tak on July 28th, 2007 6:25 pm

    Remaining schedule:

    WIN% SEA LAA
    vs. BAL 0.471 3 3
    vs. BOS 0.612 3 7
    vs. CLE 0.583 5 4
    vs. CWS 0.456 6 3
    vs. DET 0.588 3 1
    vs. MIN 0.5 6 3
    vs. NYY 0.534 3 3
    vs. OAK 0.476 7 10
    vs. TB 0.373 4 3
    vs. TEX 0.447 7 6
    vs. TOR 0.5 3 7

    (and 10 games vs. each other)

    Ms have a slightly easier schedule.

  203. Tak on July 28th, 2007 6:27 pm

    Note: WIN% numbers are from yesterday

  204. John D. on July 28th, 2007 6:38 pm

    Re Igawa (See 111, 112, 113, 124) –
    On one page of today’s newspaper, it was mentioned that Ichiro and Kenji were please to hear that the Mariners were interested in their countryman. Another page told that the Yankees had demoted Igawa to AAA Scranton.
    Do we really want a pitcher that the Yankees deem is not good enough for their rotation?

  205. jeffinfremont on July 28th, 2007 6:52 pm

    I’ll go put on a bunny rabbit costume and solicit donations for the NRA if it would please Ichiro.

  206. DizzleChizzle on July 28th, 2007 7:01 pm

    204 I thought we weren’t allowed to talk about trade speculation in here but I agree. I think Kenji and Ichiro were probably just being polite in spite of how bad Igawa has been for the Yankees.

    114 Free or not you’re kidding right?

  207. Karen on July 28th, 2007 7:46 pm

    I was watching the NYY/Orioles game. The O’s were up 7-1 in the top of the 9th, and they brought in somebody named Cory Doyne, who had a 12.00+ ERA to pitch to Matsui-Posada-Cano, the 5-6-7 hitters for the Yanks. Surely they didn’t think he could close out the game…

    He gave up 5 hits and 4 runs, one a HR, and didn’t get anybody out (no walks though; who needed to be patient with this guy?). His ERA is now 23.14. (the Yanks still lost the game, though, 7-5 Orioles)

    Even Reitsma is better than this guy. I wonder if Bavasi could work out some deal with the Orioles…

  208. JeffS on July 28th, 2007 8:18 pm

    When are we having a post on the trade deadline, Dave?

  209. KW on July 28th, 2007 9:13 pm

    I’m surprised we called Lowe up. He’s really gonna mess up this team chemistry.

  210. thefin190 on July 28th, 2007 9:38 pm

    207 – Maybe Reistma and Ibanez and prospect for Eric Bedard and someone else and then M’s can put Jones permanetly in left. :P I know you can criticize it all you want, i know itd never happen.

  211. JMHawkins on July 28th, 2007 10:53 pm

    Do we really want a pitcher that the Yankees deem is not good enough for their rotation?

    Considering that we already have a couple who fit that description, the answer might surprise you.

  212. JG on July 28th, 2007 11:00 pm

    Hey Dave, any idea whats up with Matt Mangini? He hasn’t been in the lineup for a couple of weeks. Is he hurt?

  213. SethGrandpa on July 28th, 2007 11:24 pm

    Ya Mangini hurt his lower back and is done for the year at Everett. It’s not gonna need surgery, just core strengthening.

    http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20070725/SPORTS/707250339&SearchID=73288328952645

  214. zugzwang on July 28th, 2007 11:42 pm

    First post, two comments:
    I’m not so convinced this was the best line-up possible. Even if we accept that McLaren has to keep running Ibanez out there (“put him out there or the puppy gets it”), I’d rather see Broussard 5th, Raul 7th.

    Also, I know, I know, Kenji hit a home run and all, but, looking just at the stats, the man looks tired. I don’t know if anyone in the stands gets a different impression, but his numbers say he’s getting run into the ground.

  215. ace12 on July 28th, 2007 11:55 pm

    I heard on the broadcast or on BT that Burke was due to start but had a sore neck.

  216. Tom on July 29th, 2007 12:33 am

    #204: So I guess you didn’t want Jose Contreras when he was available. I’m not saying we’d be able to resurrect Igawa’s career, but I’m just saying. . .

  217. Twin Cities Mariner on July 29th, 2007 1:53 am

    Dave–although this is off-point a bit from the game last night I want to make two points to stir up conversation a bit. First, although it is obvious that you have great intellect, and tenacity for digging up statistics supporting your point(s), I disagree greatly with two of your annoying regurgitations. First, Broussard’s “power”. Just because you have the ability to hit 25 homeruns in this inflated age doesn’t instantly make you a “power hitter.” Broussard sucks, and any team that relies on him will not make the playoffs. Seriously stop with this platoon crap. You sound like a rosterbater. Number 2; you argue that Adam Jones will be a significant upgrade. Yes, as a defensive replacement we can assume that to be true. However, offensively, you have no idea. Have you even seen 1 Triple A game w/ him playing? I will guarantee that in 10 years Dontrelle Willis will have been, in hindsight, a better player–and by two fold than Adam Jones. Adam Jones will be the next Mike Cameron. Power every 15 at-bats, defensive speed, and lots of strikeouts; (and this is considering I am a member of the “free Adam” Facebook site). I just want you to remember that you were the same person who just a few years ago was praising Chris crappy Snelling. ‘Nuff said. I just want people to stop with this Adam Jones crap. I think we need to start a “pick up Andrew Jones” site. Seriously.

  218. zugzwang on July 29th, 2007 2:05 am

    217 -
    Broussard’s 25 home runs may not be huge, but that appears to be more than Raul is going to hit the next two years combined, or that Vidro will hit in the next five years. The question isn’t whether Broussard is the next David Ortiz, but who on the current roster should be getting at bats.

    Also, I’m not terribly moved by the jab at Snelling. I would still trade him, injured and all, straight up for Vidro. He’s a risk, but he’s got upside and he’s cheap. Vidro has no potential to get better, and he’s way too expensive for a mediocre bat.

  219. zugzwang on July 29th, 2007 2:08 am

    215-
    Thanks for the Burke info. Still, I think Kenji needs more time off than the occasional day game.

  220. hcoguy on July 29th, 2007 2:37 am

    217.

    Dontrelle Willis is a more valuable and productive player than Mike Cameron? Cumulatively speaking or today-forward? Seeing Jones play means one can predict his future as opposed to not seeing him play? Power every 15 abs, good. Defensive speed, great. Lots of strikeouts, irrelevant when the other two are present. Right now there is no power any abs, lack of defensive speed (understatement of the year), and a fair amount of strikeouts.

    How will you guarantee your absurd and unfounded “predictions?”

    “and this is considering I am a member of the “free Adam” Facebook site)”

    Hillarious.

    There has been a mountain of evidence presented on this subject. Even the mainstream press and virtually every quoted scout says it is continued folly for Jones to still be in the minors.

    Andruw Jones…power every 15 abs, defensive speed, LOTSA strikeouts…

    Park adjust and the Brave’s Jones and Cameron aren’t as far apart as you think.

    If Jones does a great Cameron impression with Ichiro locked up, that is one of the best 1-2 hitters to leadoff for a team as well as a top 3 defensively LF-CF tandem.

  221. billy1 on July 29th, 2007 2:52 am

    215- Broussard is a good/very good platoon player, and I have never read anything different, here. As for Jones, time will tell. I agree that his numbers are not wholly projectible, as they never are, and I agree that he had better be all-world defensively to make up for what most likely will be spotty results, hitting. But you can’t comp him to players like Cameron without giving him a chance. And that’s not to say that a Cameron-like career track would be a horrible result to begin with.

  222. thehiddentrack on July 29th, 2007 3:54 am

    Because no one will respond to such a ridiculous post I will.

    Twin Cities Mariner-

    “Just because you have the ability to hit 25 homeruns in this inflated age doesn’t instantly make you a ‘power hitter’.”

    That’s more than anyone else on the team will hit.

    “Seriously stop with this platoon crap.”

    Seriously are you serious? Some players can’t hit lefties. Some players can’t hit righties.

    “However, offensively, you have no idea. Have you even seen 1 Triple A game w/ him playing?”

    Have you even seen Raul Ibanez lately? The guys is done. Willie Bloomquist might be an upgrade offensively. And even, ignorant “twin cities” will concede the defensive advantage.

    “I will guarantee that in 10 years Dontrelle Willis will have been”

    Wow. Twin cities is guaranteeing something, that means he’s right.

    “same person who just a few years ago was praising Chris crappy Snelling”

    Good argument. Bringing up something that has nothing to do with what you just wrote. Chris Snelling is a good hitter who can’t stay healthy. Dave and even Derek would’ve conceded that even before he was traded for Vidro.

    “‘Nuff said”

    I hope you never post here again.

    “I just want people to stop with this Adam Jones crap.”

    Yeah, it’s been a little annoying. But you are the exact reason why it needs to keep coming up. Some people just don’t get it, Bill somebody and apparently “twin cities.”

  223. terry on July 29th, 2007 5:58 am

    #217: Adam Jones guaranteed to be the next Mike Cameron? I’ll take two…

  224. davepaisley on July 29th, 2007 6:52 am

    #219

    Kenji’s July OPS = .530

    Yeah, I think he’s tired. And Burke gets a sore neck the one day he’s supposed to start? I don’t even know what to make of that.

  225. davepaisley on July 29th, 2007 6:54 am

    #222

    Nice job. Although, to be fair, it was like shooting fish in a barrel.

  226. msb on July 29th, 2007 8:39 am

    if the packages being tossed about by the various newspapers & columnists are any where near accurate, the Ms would be wise to just stay away.

  227. pensive on July 29th, 2007 9:24 am

    Quick prediction. DMZ will return today.

    Dave hit a walk off homer running USSM.
    The time and effort are appreciated.

  228. johnb on July 29th, 2007 10:14 am

    I watched Willis pitch last night against the Giants and he looked pretty good, but of course it was the Giants he was pitching against. He has a really strange and unconventional delivery.

  229. mln on July 29th, 2007 10:27 am

    Regarding the Igawa rumor, Jon Heyman added his this bit about Sexson allegedly not being Ichiro’s favorite teammate. I never heard this before and don’t know where Heyman got this from….

    “The Mariners have been shopping Richie Sexson, who’s not only overpaid but also allegedly not Ichiro Suzuki’s favorite teammate. But Igawa would have to pitch better than he has for Seattle to consider any sort of deal involving both Sexson and Igawa.”

  230. Twin Cities Mariner on July 29th, 2007 10:43 am

    First, please chill out. I obviously stirred things up in a way I did not intend. I thought this was a site where posters fostered discussion, albeit sometimes unpopular or controversial. At the same time some of my words were admittingly ill-advised.

    I agree, if Adam Jones turns out to be Mike Cameron this would obviously be good thing. Who wouldn’t want him if that turns out to be an accurate assessment of his talent? However, I just believe that if one feels this comparison is fair and accurate (Jones to Cameron) then I also feel like Jones is expendable under certain conditions. For starters—in trade for a young above average starting pitcher. Maybe so maybe not, just my opinion.

    *220
    Dontrelle Willis is a more valuable and productive player than Mike Cameron? Cumulatively speaking or today-forward. I will say that when we look back at the first 10 years of their careers it is my personal belief that Dontrelle Willis will have been viewed as a more valuable player. Can I back this up w/ stats and future projections? Absolutely not. First off, Adam hasn’t had more than 50 bats at the MLB level. Second one plays every day while the other plays every five games. I obviously can’t guarantee anything and that was a poor statement/assertion on my part. I just feel strongly that in hindsight Dontrelle will have been an overall better player. But who actually knows? I do know that Dontrelle has had 4 solid seasons at the MLB level. I was only referencing the Adam Jones Facebook site because I wanted to show that I do not have some sort of vendetta against him. That’s it. Silly reference.

    Of course it’s a “folly” to keep him out of the lineup. Agreed. But its also a folly to label him un-expendable. That is just my opinion.

    *221. I am just saying that Ben Broussard is not the long-term solution. He can really only platoon for Richie (doing so for Raul proves a defensive joke). I just think that we shouldn’t have to platoon for Richie. But we do. I guess I’m just frustrated that we need Broussard as a platoon hitter in the first place. As a DH I just don’t think we should be throwing out someone who is batting .275 w/ 5 HRs over 150 AB’s.

  231. Notor on July 30th, 2007 10:53 am

    More Broussard, less Vidro, MUCH less Sexson, much more Adam Jones, recipe for success.

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