Game 120, White Sox at Mariners

DMZ · August 18, 2007 at 6:03 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

BATTLE OF TEH OCCASIONALLY EFFECTIVE STARTERS!111ONEONEONE!!

Danks v Weaver!

What kind of a lineup would you run out against Danks? No no no no. No!

No.

CF-L Ichiro
DH-B Vidro
RF-R Guillen
LF-L Ibanez
3B-R Beltre
1B-R Sexson
C-R Johjima
2B-R Lopez
SS-R Betancourt

Yup! That’s right! You like that bench, Jones, you more-talented option that could improve the defense hugely with a fly-ball pitcher on the mound? You better, because that’s where you get to sit. Yeah!

Comments

396 Responses to “Game 120, White Sox at Mariners”

  1. LA M's Fan on August 18th, 2007 6:05 pm

    The fifth inning of the Angels-Red Sox game is nuts.

  2. Sports on a Schtick on August 18th, 2007 6:10 pm

    Wow, I fall asleep for 30 minutes and Boston’s in the lead!

  3. Ninja Jordan on August 18th, 2007 6:10 pm

    I’m slowly beginning to think that Jones will find success on another team.

  4. Mike Honcho on August 18th, 2007 6:15 pm

    I can’t tell you how much I despise John McLaren the manager. I’m sure he’s a nice guy and all, but damn…

  5. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 6:16 pm

    In your face, Adam Jones!

  6. carlls007 on August 18th, 2007 6:17 pm

    The 6-run sixth and last night’s rally shows us Red Sox is really an elite team…and the Weaver brother just got rocked..
    they could’ve taken the series but for Gange’s ineffectiveness.
    If only the M’s can get rid of those grand slams and be more stable.

  7. LA M's Fan on August 18th, 2007 6:20 pm

    Wow, Micah Ownings (D-Backs PITCHER) has 6 RBI, (including 2 HRs and a Double.)

    He would be a better DH than Vidro…

  8. heph on August 18th, 2007 6:20 pm

    Sure glad that we’re running Rauul out there against the lefty rather than giving him the night off.

    Next 6 scheduled opposing SP are all RH.

  9. scottg02 on August 18th, 2007 6:24 pm

    I predict Weaver pitches another gem tonight. If he can get them in their park he sure as hell can get them at Safeco… that’s my theory anyway :) Top notch analysis I know ;)

  10. tgf on August 18th, 2007 6:26 pm

    Obviously L/R splits are only important when the other team is hitting. Then Mac won’t hesitate to bring in O’Flaherty for one lefty, then Green for a righty or two then Sherrill for one more lefty, then…..

  11. Tek Jansen on August 18th, 2007 6:28 pm

    Last Sunday, everybody hit Danks except Ibanez. He faced lefties in every AB and struck out four times. It is sad that Mr. Burns (“it’s called ‘playing the percentages’) would be a more effective manager than Mac.

  12. OppositeField on August 18th, 2007 6:32 pm

    It’s just astounding that McLaren is a professional manager and still makes the conscious decision to NOT put Adam Jones in the lineup for his ballclub. I mean, the guy literally writes down “Ibanez” instead of “Jones” every night. How do you justify this to yourself on ANY night, let alone when you have a flyball pitcher on the mound?

  13. Rumpelstiltskin on August 18th, 2007 6:35 pm

    McLaren is teh Sux0r!!!

  14. joser on August 18th, 2007 6:35 pm

    Yikes, one Weaver has given up 8 hits and 6 ER in 4.1 innings. Hopefully that’s the entire Weaver Family Quota for tonight, so the other one gets another CG shutout.

  15. Dave on August 18th, 2007 6:36 pm

    Hot hand, veteran leadership, blah blah blah.

    We all know he’s wrong. We might as well talk about something else just to avoid turning this into the same thread we’ve had for the last two months.

  16. lailaihei on August 18th, 2007 6:37 pm

    You’re right, Dave. Let’s talk about Weaver. Will he have another good outing or will the White Sox come with a real game plan?
    Danks is probably going to be destroyed though, so it won’t matter.

  17. leon112 on August 18th, 2007 6:39 pm

    Dave – I know this is off topic, but [deleted, off-topic]

  18. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 6:40 pm

    Let’s hope the Mariners don’t get blown out today… like some other Seattle team.

  19. LA M's Fan on August 18th, 2007 6:40 pm

    One last Jones/Ibanez related question. Dave, is the Ibanez bias solely a function of McLaren’s preferences or does it reflect Bavasi’s point of view as well?

  20. OppositeField on August 18th, 2007 6:40 pm

    I’m open to suggestions. Who wants to coin a compelling storyline for tonight’s game?

  21. joser on August 18th, 2007 6:40 pm

    the guy literally writes down “Ibanez” instead of “Jones” every night. How do you justify this to yourself on ANY night

    “Ibanez is a veteran hitting home runs recently. Jones is a rookie, and rookies get people fired. Jones can be a defensive sub in late innings.”

    Yeah, I know Jones isn’t really a rookie, and Ibanez…. well, anyway, I’m betting that’s the thinking. Defense is undervalued. Matching defense to your pitcher’s tendencies is way too subtle. And even understanding your pitchers’ tendencies is too much of a stretch (cue Hargrove: “I brought Mateo in to get a groundball out.”) If it’s more complicated or nuanced than “lefty-righty” you can’t expect this generation of managers (or any kind of “traditional” baseball guy) to grasp it.

  22. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 6:40 pm

    Someone’s probably already mentioned this, but I’d like to give a shout out to Asdrubal Cabrera on his first career homerun. Congratulations, buddy. I wish I wish we hadn’t bothered to get Eddie Perez last year. I bet we could get a lot more for you now. Or if we really had faith in you, we could trade Betancourt or Lopez and not lose a step defensively. In fact, we might even improve defensively. Oh well. Good luck, Asdrubal. You’ll always be a Mariner to me.

  23. Dave on August 18th, 2007 6:41 pm

    The White Sox offense this weekend is Triple-A quality, since Konerko’s out. Owens, Podsednik, Erstad, Uribe, Richar – these guys suck.

    This is a great matchup for Weaver, just like last week.

  24. joser on August 18th, 2007 6:43 pm

    While we’re giving shout-outs, how about one for Cameron Maybin who got his first HR today off Clemens. Maybin has braces (really!), Clemens has dentures (well, almost).

    Alas, it wasn’t enough to beat the hated Yankees.

  25. joser on August 18th, 2007 6:44 pm

    The White Sox offense this weekend is Triple-A quality

    Unfortunately, the M’s pitching staff lately seems to specialize in giving up HRs (and grand slams) to the weakest of hitters.

  26. Tek Jansen on August 18th, 2007 6:45 pm

    The only pitcher for whom the White Sox lineup would not be a good matchup is HoRam. Fortunately, he gets to pitch in the Metrodome on Monday. I can’t believe that they are not skipping his start, but I digress. That can be the theme during Monday’s game thread.

  27. timc on August 18th, 2007 6:47 pm

    I’m getting this game from WGN up here in Toronto. What do I get to look forward to?

  28. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 6:49 pm

    Micah Owings is 4-4 with 2 homeruns and a double.

  29. Dave on August 18th, 2007 6:49 pm

    The most horrible announce team in the history of time.

  30. terry on August 18th, 2007 6:50 pm

    I’m getting this game from WGN up here in Toronto. What do I get to look forward to?

    Think donkey…. “He gone!”…

  31. Goose on August 18th, 2007 6:50 pm

    #28

    4-5 now, he lined out to first in his 5th AB to end the 7th.

  32. JLC on August 18th, 2007 6:51 pm

    24-Did you notice how Clemens hit the kid on his next AB after the HR? Classy guy.

  33. LA M's Fan on August 18th, 2007 6:53 pm

    Thanks for reminding me the game is on WGN, I was bummed there was no MLB Extra Innings coverage.

    On the other hand, damn you for subjecting me to the abortion that is Hawk Harrelson.

  34. timc on August 18th, 2007 6:55 pm

    29, 30…thanks, I think. I guess it’s better than nothing, although RoboCop is showing on Space right now.

  35. lailaihei on August 18th, 2007 6:59 pm

    Even Bill Krueger doesn’t like the 4 out saves!

  36. (Expletive) Dave Samson on August 18th, 2007 7:00 pm

    It’s like McLaren is using a broken version of the I-Ching to determine the lineup, since it’s usually the same lineup.

  37. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 7:00 pm

    The most horrible announce team in the history of time.

    What, Dave? I’m sorry, but I just didn’t understand that.

  38. OppositeField on August 18th, 2007 7:01 pm

    wow, is the CW feed absolutely TERRIBLE for anybody else?

  39. tgf on August 18th, 2007 7:01 pm

    Even Bill Krueger doesn’t like the 4 out saves!

    I’m shocked.

  40. Slippery Elmer on August 18th, 2007 7:03 pm

    Provided Weaver has the same stuff he had last Sunday, there should be no reason he can’t replicate the results of that gem.

    #17, leon12: “Dave – I know this is off topic, but [deleted, off-topic]”

    LOL, most USSM readers quickly learn that’s the wrong way to begin a comment.

  41. lailaihei on August 18th, 2007 7:04 pm

    And JJ tells the coaches that he doesn’t like pitching more than the 9th, but Mac doesn’t listen? Hm…

  42. Dave on August 18th, 2007 7:04 pm

    Bill Krueger is on the list of people whose opinions shouldn’t mean a thing to anyone.

  43. (Expletive) Dave Samson on August 18th, 2007 7:06 pm

    Dave looks like he just got back from Willows Run.

  44. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 7:11 pm

    Well Ozzie, may you can bring him in to be your bench coach. We here in Seattle don’t like him.

  45. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 7:12 pm

    Arrgh it’s the talking microphone head commercial again. The only one that’s worse than that is Big Bob’s Flooring Store.

    And, yes Ozzie, you can have Johnny Mac if you want him.

  46. terry on August 18th, 2007 7:15 pm

    ChiSox fans in general are pretty knowledgeable about the game. It’s one of life’s ironies that their FO has built a brand upon embracing mindless drivel..

  47. lailaihei on August 18th, 2007 7:16 pm

    White Sox hitting is up to their old tricks again…

  48. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 7:16 pm

    Boy, Jerry Owens does not impress me. I know he’s fast, but there’s more to baseball than fast. In fact, there’s kind of a lot more.

  49. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 7:17 pm

    Two strikeouts to start the game. Very nice, Jeff. Now please do that 25 more times.

  50. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 7:19 pm

    …and I’ll shut up now.

  51. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 7:19 pm

    Well there goes the shutout.

  52. lailaihei on August 18th, 2007 7:19 pm

    Wow. He threw 4 strikes.

  53. terry on August 18th, 2007 7:20 pm

    Thome isn’t an AAAA player….

  54. IdahoInvader on August 18th, 2007 7:20 pm

    Thanks ump for that “high” non strike

  55. lailaihei on August 18th, 2007 7:20 pm

    If you’re watching gameday, 2 of those called balls were fully in the zone.

  56. OppositeField on August 18th, 2007 7:20 pm

    Yuck. Thome had Weaver’s number for that whole at-bat, that was one of the more inevitable shots I’ve seen in a while.

  57. (Expletive) Dave Samson on August 18th, 2007 7:21 pm

    49… you should have said “in a row.”

  58. IdahoInvader on August 18th, 2007 7:22 pm

    55

    Hopefully the ump will gladly have the same “zone” when Danks is trying to throw strikes

    Our hitting should make that call irrelevant anyway

  59. terry on August 18th, 2007 7:22 pm

    Alright…a little personal information shared with the group…. before blowing out all of the candles on my last birthday cake, I wished I was Ichiro…

  60. (Expletive) Dave Samson on August 18th, 2007 7:23 pm

    I’m cracking the Rally Beer open early.

  61. Lauren, token chick on August 18th, 2007 7:24 pm

    Hey, Red Sox up 10-5 now!

  62. (Expletive) Dave Samson on August 18th, 2007 7:25 pm

    Go Sox!

  63. stango on August 18th, 2007 7:25 pm

    59-

    Ichiro! would NEVER share that kind of information

  64. Lauren, token chick on August 18th, 2007 7:25 pm

    Terry: Was your birthday right around the break? Maybe you ARE Ichiro.

  65. stango on August 18th, 2007 7:26 pm

    …unless, of course, his dog told him to

  66. (Expletive) Dave Samson on August 18th, 2007 7:26 pm

    You should have wished you were Ibanez and then torn a hamstring.

  67. DMZ on August 18th, 2007 7:27 pm

    I loved hearing Blowers drooling over Vidro’s numbers. “…on-base percentage, slugging almost .500….”

    yeah. Just reeled ‘em off. Quality analysis there, Mike. Keep up the good work.

  68. thewyrm on August 18th, 2007 7:27 pm

    1st inning = blegh

  69. lailaihei on August 18th, 2007 7:28 pm

    Yeah DMZ. LOOK AT HOW VIDRO’S BEST 2 MONTHS IS BETTER THAN THE LEAGUE AVERAGE OVER THE WHOLE YEAR!!!
    Amazing.

  70. joser on August 18th, 2007 7:28 pm

    Ah, but the Red Sox are pummeling the Angels…

  71. terry on August 18th, 2007 7:29 pm

    Terry: Was your birthday right around the break? Maybe you ARE Ichiro.

    If I am, out of body experiences are pretty cool as it turns out…..

  72. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 7:30 pm

    59

    Don’t tell us or it won’t come true!

  73. Lauren, token chick on August 18th, 2007 7:30 pm

    Is the Safeco Field radar gun off for the same reason the USSM posting clock is off?

    I blame the Moose.

  74. lailaihei on August 18th, 2007 7:30 pm

    “They’re last in on base percentage… one thing they do well is walk and hit homeruns”
    What?

  75. terry on August 18th, 2007 7:33 pm

    Ugly pitch, that one….

  76. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 7:33 pm

    Wasn’t last week the week of Weaver Gems? I sure hope this week isn’t the polar opposite.

  77. IdahoInvader on August 18th, 2007 7:33 pm

    Some outs here would be most cuddly. Not gonna double up Pods though

  78. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 7:35 pm

    They have one player who walks, two hit HRs, the rest suck. Selective memory combined with peripheral realization that their offense sucks.

  79. juneau_fan on August 18th, 2007 7:35 pm

    What’s with the crowd roar every time the Sox get a hit? Is there that many Chi fans present? Or have they started the wave early?

  80. G-Man on August 18th, 2007 7:39 pm

    He did that to spite USSM.

  81. zzyzx on August 18th, 2007 7:39 pm

    “Fly away off the top of the wall” Good recovery Dave

  82. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 7:39 pm

    Fly away off the top of the wall…

    Dave, Dave, Dave. What are we going to do with you?

  83. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 7:39 pm

    Good lord Raul. I didn’t think you were going to get in there.

  84. (Expletive) Dave Samson on August 18th, 2007 7:39 pm

    76… be careful or we’ll end up with a 5 year deal for Weaver.

  85. Shizane on August 18th, 2007 7:39 pm

    “I can’t walk yet, and I already hate the Yankees!!!!!”

    Thank you, thank you…..I’ll be here all week.

  86. joser on August 18th, 2007 7:39 pm

    See? That’s why Raul is starting. Nevermind what he could end up costing with the glove…

  87. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 7:39 pm

    Raul, pushing the science of the hot streak beyond all limits.

  88. krb on August 18th, 2007 7:39 pm

    “..And its gonna fly away off the top of the wall!”
    Nice.

  89. juneau_fan on August 18th, 2007 7:40 pm

    *wiping tears of laughter and frustration from eyes* Oh, Dave….

  90. timc on August 18th, 2007 7:40 pm

    Did I just hear the WGN broadcasters yelp “Oh no” when Raul hit that double?

  91. terry on August 18th, 2007 7:40 pm

    WGN added OPB to their player stats….. cool…

    BTW….you statheads are wankers…. en feugo Ibanez La Grande

  92. (Expletive) Dave Samson on August 18th, 2007 7:40 pm

    Woo, productive out!

  93. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 7:41 pm

    Is Good Beltre going to return at some point?

  94. terry on August 18th, 2007 7:41 pm

    Anybody think Sexson should wear stirrups?

  95. zzyzx on August 18th, 2007 7:42 pm

    Why clap the I-Chi-Ro clap when Sexson is up? I can’t imagine what they’re supposed to say with that.

  96. Mike G. on August 18th, 2007 7:42 pm

    Raul apparently dosen’t look at his splits and thinks he can hit lefties. Or Danks isn’t very good. You make the call.

  97. fishiam on August 18th, 2007 7:43 pm

    Call me uninformed but what the heck is “OPB” as a baseball stat? I guess I’m a wanker.

  98. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 7:43 pm

    Wasn’t Danks like the Rangers top pitching prospect?

  99. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 7:43 pm

    Uh oh. A DP has been setup.

  100. ahhruff on August 18th, 2007 7:44 pm

    1st pitch change = 5-4-3 DP

  101. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 7:45 pm

    This is one of those situations where Sexson as a baserunner is actually a detriment. I fear the DP

  102. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 7:45 pm

    #98

    I don’t believe “pitching prospects” and “Rangers” belong in the same sentence.

  103. zzyzx on August 18th, 2007 7:46 pm

    Sigh, that wasn’t too obvious.

  104. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 7:46 pm

    Good God it’s like watching time stand still.

  105. (Expletive) Dave Samson on August 18th, 2007 7:46 pm

    101… jinx.

  106. terry on August 18th, 2007 7:47 pm

    Call me uninformed but what the heck is “OPB” as a baseball stat? I guess I’m a wanker.

    Spellcheckers aren’t very effective with acronyms….

  107. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 7:47 pm

    This year, instead of a first half-bad, second half-good approach, Beltre’s going with the every other month-good approach.

    OPSs by month.
    April: .678
    May: .918
    June: .540
    July: .996
    August: .663
    September Projected: 2.337

  108. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 7:47 pm

    As expected

  109. (Expletive) Dave Samson on August 18th, 2007 7:48 pm

    The Red Sox need a Rally Lobsta Roll.

  110. Mike G. on August 18th, 2007 7:49 pm

    I know when I’m old I will remember fondly that season and a half when Kenji could hit.

  111. IdahoInvader on August 18th, 2007 7:50 pm

    What’s sad is McLaren is maybe the only one who DIDN’T see it coming.

    How do you not send Sexson, knowing Kenji hits into a bucketload of rally crippling dp’s and rarely k’s?

    I know, I know…he didn’t want to risk a strike ‘em out/throw ‘em out DOUBLE PLAY…sigh

  112. zzyzx on August 18th, 2007 7:51 pm

    So what stops someone from putting down a deposit, ordering playoff tickets (hopefully this will be an issue), and then canceling the season tickets in November?

  113. lailaihei on August 18th, 2007 7:51 pm

    112: non-refundable.

  114. krb on August 18th, 2007 7:51 pm

    112- The deposit is non-refundable.

  115. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 7:51 pm

    Was it a full count when Kenji GIDPed? Cuz if so, I’d say sending Richie would’ve been a good move. Otherwise, you probably just have to hope for the best.

  116. (Expletive) Dave Samson on August 18th, 2007 7:52 pm

    The Rally Fries Wikipedia entry has been officially deleted.

  117. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 7:52 pm

    I don’t like this ump’s strike zone.

  118. krb on August 18th, 2007 7:52 pm

    115- Yeah, it was a full count.

  119. zzyzx on August 18th, 2007 7:52 pm

    Oh ok. Never mind that plan then ;)

  120. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 7:53 pm

    #116

    Hooray!

  121. terry on August 18th, 2007 7:53 pm

    Damn I’m good, err, I mean Ichiro is good…..

  122. msb on August 18th, 2007 7:54 pm

    I know Joh hates to take time off, and that Mac is a former catcher, but Joh needs to take more time off.

  123. pygmalion on August 18th, 2007 7:54 pm

    Yikes. Was that a SafeCo fly-out? It looked on GameDay as if Thome almost went yard again.

  124. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 7:54 pm

    Is Ichiro’s lunging/charging motion before he catches a flyball relatively new? It seems like it might slightly cut down on the time it takes to throw the ball.

  125. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 7:55 pm

    124 Not only that but did he take his eyes off that ball like twice while running it down?

  126. msb on August 18th, 2007 7:55 pm

    hmm. bribes offered for rally fries.

  127. krb on August 18th, 2007 7:55 pm

    Yuni could have caught that..

  128. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 7:56 pm

    That’s like the hardest hit ball I’ve seen from Lopez in a while.

  129. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 7:57 pm

    Doubleplay Duo!!

  130. terry on August 18th, 2007 7:57 pm

    Lopez is a gamer…..

  131. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 7:59 pm

    Probably the most ineffective 10 game hitting streak I’ve seen from Ichiro in a while.

  132. apunetid on August 18th, 2007 8:02 pm

    Did the Fangraphs graph shoot toward the White Sox’ side when the Angels lost?

  133. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 8:02 pm

    Good grief.

  134. OppositeField on August 18th, 2007 8:02 pm

    goodbye

  135. joser on August 18th, 2007 8:03 pm

    And the “AAA offense” continues…

  136. sad_loyal_fan on August 18th, 2007 8:03 pm

    “Fastball nothing on it to go.” nice description.

  137. fishiam on August 18th, 2007 8:03 pm

    That was crushed. Nice BP fastball.

  138. krb on August 18th, 2007 8:04 pm

    Note to Yuni- Richie is tall, but not that tall.

  139. terry on August 18th, 2007 8:05 pm

    aaaaahhhhhhhhhh….. Dye’s extension was a no brainer because he’s their best 7th,8th and 9th inning hitter and that somehow relates to their bullpen… Why was Hawk only a GM for a year?

  140. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 8:05 pm

    Isn’t calling Weaver’s fastball a fastball kind of an oxymoron?

  141. fishiam on August 18th, 2007 8:08 pm

    Ahhh .. Podsednik … I still have a soft spot for him. Back in 2001 I was dating my now-wife and took her to a game. In that game, Podsednik hit a bases clearing triple (and should have had an inside the park slam but the 3rd base coach held him unnecessarily) and she declared him to be her favorite player. The next time I heard from him he was in another organization. The wife is still around though.

  142. msb on August 18th, 2007 8:10 pm

    And the “AAA offense” continues…

    of course, those runs weren’t so much from ‘Owens, Podsednik, Erstad, Uribe, Richar’

    sad thought is what the score vs Weaver might be if the rest of the Sox line-up were really hitting, too….

  143. terry on August 18th, 2007 8:11 pm

    Weaver has a high strike to ball ratio again tonight but as Reagan proved during the Air Traffic Controller’s strike, not all strikes are equal…

  144. msb on August 18th, 2007 8:12 pm

    maybe we should start playing the ‘Jose Vidro is a professional hitter’ drinking game…

  145. DMZ on August 18th, 2007 8:12 pm

    I don’t want to slag on Blowers all game, but he managed to make like a dozen Vidro-related statements without even accidentally hitting a fact, unless being paid for playing as the designated hitter does bestow “professional hitter” status.

  146. lailaihei on August 18th, 2007 8:12 pm

    Turbo!

  147. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 8:12 pm

    Hot streak!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  148. G-Man on August 18th, 2007 8:12 pm

    He kicked in the TURBO-charger!

  149. enazario on August 18th, 2007 8:12 pm

    How the heck did he score.

  150. krb on August 18th, 2007 8:12 pm

    Run Vidro! Now offense, give him time to cach his breath.

  151. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 8:13 pm

    #144

    Vidro hits a home run – chug chug chug chug!

  152. rsrobinson on August 18th, 2007 8:13 pm

    Turbo turns on the jets!

  153. msb on August 18th, 2007 8:13 pm

    and since it isn’t just Blowers, one could get really hammered by the end of a game– especially if you had the radio on, too.

  154. Carson on August 18th, 2007 8:14 pm

    “Great awareness by Vidro!” – Sims

    So, that’s why he stopped and didn’t know where the ball was?

  155. fishiam on August 18th, 2007 8:15 pm

    DMZ – it’d be perfectly fine with me at least if you ragged on Blowers all game long if he continues spouting such nonsense as he has thus far.

  156. lailaihei on August 18th, 2007 8:15 pm

    Good ol’ Red!

  157. terry on August 18th, 2007 8:15 pm

    Vidro, Guillen, Ibanez….all in a row…. wow… if you were playing the pitch-out drinking game, you’d never get drunk….

  158. Carson on August 18th, 2007 8:15 pm

    Red! Haha. Awesome bobblehead.

    And Blowers and Sims act like they have never seen the guy before.

  159. fishiam on August 18th, 2007 8:15 pm

    That was Red with giant bobblehead! Priceless!

  160. krb on August 18th, 2007 8:16 pm

    Haha Red’s getting some screen time.

  161. msb on August 18th, 2007 8:16 pm

    looks like MiniAdrian is using Red’s girl’s seat tonight.

  162. Ninja Jordan on August 18th, 2007 8:17 pm

    Sims & Blowers are the broadcasting version of Bacardi & Cola. BlowSim’s been good luck this year, though you have to admit. Pennant race and Rally Fries, what more could you want?

  163. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 8:17 pm

    #162

    pennant race without Rally Fries.

  164. hititagainandagainandagain on August 18th, 2007 8:18 pm

    Sexson stayed out of the doubleplay, no wonder the M’s didn’t want him to go to another club.

  165. lailaihei on August 18th, 2007 8:18 pm

    Rally Fries was fan-invented, so you can’t hate it that much…

  166. terry on August 18th, 2007 8:19 pm

    Derek:

    Flip on WGN……you might learn something…

  167. rsrobinson on August 18th, 2007 8:19 pm

    Does Kenji do anything any more other than hit grounders to the third baseman?

  168. JMB on August 18th, 2007 8:20 pm

    Back in 2001 I was dating my now-wife and took her to a game. In that game, Podsednik hit a bases clearing triple (and should have had an inside the park slam but the 3rd base coach held him unnecessarily) and she declared him to be her favorite player.

    Hey, I was at that game.

  169. JLC on August 18th, 2007 8:20 pm

    Did Harrelson just say Bud Selig is the best commissioner the game’s ever had?

  170. Mike G. on August 18th, 2007 8:20 pm

    Johjima is looking rather Rivera-esque in his rally killing ability.

  171. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 8:21 pm

    What kind of prospect is Franklin Morales? He’s making his debut right now for the Rockies.

  172. krb on August 18th, 2007 8:22 pm

    Burke was catching Weaver’s last start, right?

  173. Ninja Jordan on August 18th, 2007 8:23 pm

    Criticize Johjima all you want, but what’s the alterative, play Burke? He’s equally awful offensively, and opposing teams go out of their way to run on him. Joh at least keeps them honest.

  174. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 8:23 pm

    Hawk calls Lopez “their all-star second baseman” Technically true, but a bit random.

  175. huhwhat on August 18th, 2007 8:24 pm

    172 – And?

  176. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 8:24 pm

    Weaver’s zeroing in on that Quality Start.

  177. thewyrm on August 18th, 2007 8:25 pm

    how sucsessful do y’all think I would be if I held a sign saying “keep your fries, just send me Kira the fries girl?”

  178. smb on August 18th, 2007 8:25 pm

    In reference to “Fly away…off the top of the wall”…

    A few games ago, whoever was sitting with Dave asked him after a homerun, “Did you think that was gone when it left the bat?”

    Punchline not needed.

  179. krb on August 18th, 2007 8:26 pm

    172 – Didn’t mean anything by it, just curious.
    I would play Kenji over Burke.

  180. fishiam on August 18th, 2007 8:26 pm

    This rally fries thing … fortunately is only a big deal on tv and not at the game. I was there the other day and there were a few signs but it didn’t affect the game or crowd at all. It’s a totally made-for-tv phenomenon. And let’s pray it stays that way.

  181. krb on August 18th, 2007 8:27 pm

    175 not 172

  182. enazario on August 18th, 2007 8:27 pm

    I love Neihaus. Just like I did Caray in Chicago. Who cares if he is losing it a bit. He is so much better than the alternatives and he’s earned my respect.

  183. terry on August 18th, 2007 8:28 pm

    I’m quite certain that the Ms are ecstatic by what their getting from their catching core….especially offensively. AL average OPS for catchers is .710. The Ms are getting .762 from theirs….

  184. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 8:28 pm

    Hey Ichiro/Mac. Remember how you bunted last night with two on and no outs? Yeah. Don’t do it right now.

  185. enazario on August 18th, 2007 8:29 pm

    For the love of god don’t sacrifice.

  186. ahhruff on August 18th, 2007 8:29 pm

    Bunt to get to Turbo!!! He’s a professional hitter! Nice move!

  187. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 8:29 pm

    Yarrrgh!

  188. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 8:29 pm

    Hearing the WGN guys drool over Lopez is a little bit sad. I hope he improves his hitting, but it’s kind of annoying to hear that he’s “good offensively.” And it’s not IchIRO.

  189. enazario on August 18th, 2007 8:30 pm

    Madness!!!!

  190. argh on August 18th, 2007 8:30 pm

    At least turbo can’t hit into a double play here, at least not without some effort.

  191. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 8:30 pm

    So is he like actively trying not to drive in runs?

  192. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 8:30 pm

    I hope to fucking god that wasn’t a sacrifice.

  193. argh on August 18th, 2007 8:30 pm

    See, the man’s a hero.

  194. krb on August 18th, 2007 8:30 pm

    Yeah.. that bunt really helped.

  195. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 8:30 pm

    That bunt paid off right there!

  196. terry on August 18th, 2007 8:31 pm

    Bunting Ichiro to set the table for Turbo…. God Bless Mclaren.

  197. enazario on August 18th, 2007 8:31 pm

    He should get the intentional/unintentional walk.

  198. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 8:31 pm

    They said that Ichiro is bunting on his own without McLaren telling him to. This is Ichiro being dumb.

  199. Sports on a Schtick on August 18th, 2007 8:31 pm

    Angry Guillen!

  200. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 8:31 pm

    Holy CRAP that was a nasty hop.

  201. krb on August 18th, 2007 8:31 pm

    Tie Game!

  202. scraps on August 18th, 2007 8:32 pm

    I can’t believe we just sacrificed with men on first and second and out best hitter up, down by two runs. Sometimes the manager needs to understand that his job is to get out of the damned way.

  203. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 8:32 pm

    That was huge Guillen, nice job making up for Ichiro’s stupid ass bunt.

  204. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 8:32 pm

    Thank you physics…And how ingenious was that bunt?

  205. terry on August 18th, 2007 8:32 pm

    Touche you stathead wankers…. move ‘em over….get ‘em home.

  206. Shizane on August 18th, 2007 8:32 pm

    yikes….that was a HOOOOOT corner….wow

  207. fishiam on August 18th, 2007 8:32 pm

    Yeah Guillen! Take the 3rd baseman’s head off!

  208. ahhruff on August 18th, 2007 8:32 pm

    When one Jose fails, another one steps up. You can’t hold down the killer J’s!

  209. argh on August 18th, 2007 8:32 pm

    Let’s hear it for the infield rake crew.

  210. smb on August 18th, 2007 8:32 pm

    Yeah, Neihaus has earned his tenure, I don’t dispute that. But do you, as a fan listening to the game, also enjoy a can o’corn to shallow right being called as if it’s headed for the HIH Cafe, right until the second basemen takes ten steps back and makes the catch? I find that annoying, especially if I’m in the car and have to rely on the play by play. I wish I could fail to perform at a consistently high level and not fear losing my job.

  211. msb on August 18th, 2007 8:33 pm

    #191– well, there are times I wonder if Mac has Tim Donaghy’s cell phone number

  212. enazario on August 18th, 2007 8:33 pm

    If the manager can’t tell his player don’t bunt in that situation then we have an issue.

  213. Mike G. on August 18th, 2007 8:34 pm

    I actually heart Johjima and want to see him play in this town for seasons to come. His current slump is just a bit frustrating especially considering the timing.

  214. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 8:34 pm

    #210

    We’ll let Dave finish out his time here. Besides, we’ve got someone waiting to take over his spot. The soon-to-be-unemployed Kevin Collaboro.

  215. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 8:35 pm

    205 You can’t be serious?

  216. krb on August 18th, 2007 8:35 pm

    Ah! How nice of Beltre

  217. Jake on August 18th, 2007 8:35 pm

    RED! How awesome

  218. Lauren, token chick on August 18th, 2007 8:36 pm

    HOLY SHIT!

    YES!

  219. scraps on August 18th, 2007 8:36 pm

    terry, I know you may be joking. Right? You don’t actually believe that the bunt was a good play there.

  220. G-Man on August 18th, 2007 8:36 pm

    Spits in the face of USSM!

  221. msb on August 18th, 2007 8:36 pm

    wow. two things I never would have expected to see, in the space of about 30 seconds.

  222. enazario on August 18th, 2007 8:37 pm

    210 – I agree it can be annoying but while I love to make fun of him with my friends too I don’t think your scenario is actually that common.

    New broadcasters cannot help but be homers these days. Their jobs depend on it. The days of Neihaus, Scully , Caray, Miller are now gone.

  223. terry on August 18th, 2007 8:38 pm

    All kidding aside but several innings ago, Hawk argued that Danks isn’t a ground ball pitcher and Johjima promptly grounded into a doubleplay, Bettie later grounded into another one and this inning the Ms score two on three seeing eye groundball singles….

    BTW…PBP defensive metrics suck…… en fuego Raul LA Grande (as confirmed by Hawk-”thats just a heckuva play by a heckuva player”…

  224. enazario on August 18th, 2007 8:39 pm

    The guy that does the Rainiers down in Triple AAA is actually pretty good. Young guy. Does anyone know his name?

  225. Shizane on August 18th, 2007 8:39 pm

    for all you drug users out there, we’re going to show Pierzynski’s HR overlapped with THome’s.

  226. baseballismylyf4 on August 18th, 2007 8:40 pm

    Dave, you always say that Ibanez is a crappy defensive player, but he seems to make big plays whenever I watch games. Last year I was at the game where he robbed the Rockies of the leadoff home run, and I just watched him rob Thome…

    I don’t understand why he’s such a bad defensive player in your eyes…

  227. rsrobinson on August 18th, 2007 8:40 pm

    USSM common wisdom takes a beating

  228. zzyzx on August 18th, 2007 8:40 pm

    225 – I was trying to figure out what the point of that was.

  229. Slippery Elmer on August 18th, 2007 8:41 pm

    Ibanez and Ichiro both made nice running catches in the 6th inning.

  230. IdahoInvader on August 18th, 2007 8:41 pm

    Man…how DID Adam Jones do that?!!

    (Slip into a Raul jersey & mask and then make that fantastic catch)

  231. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 8:41 pm

    After that catch by Ibanez I don’t expect to see Jone starting in LF anytime soon, maybe never.

  232. terry on August 18th, 2007 8:41 pm

    Ichiro forgot he’s not a right fielder any longer on that last one…. Guillen isn’t really battling Dye and Jr to be the worst defensive right fielder in the game today…Ichiro is just a ball hog…. :-P

  233. msb on August 18th, 2007 8:41 pm

    have I mentioned that Comcast Housemates is a really stupid idea, realized in a stupid fashion?

  234. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 8:41 pm

    non-Hawk Sox announcer on Ibanez: “Not a defensive phenom by any means, but he is very solid out there in left field.” Adam Jones should request to go back to Tacoma. Maybe Ibanez will suppliment his minor league salary out of sympathy.

  235. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 8:41 pm

    #226

    We’ve cited this before. Raul’s problem is that he only converts something like 79 percent of balls hit into his zone into outs. That’s -bad-

  236. Carson on August 18th, 2007 8:41 pm

    I wonder if Adrian has known, or was told, that Red has (shares, I think? Sometimes I dont see him) season tickets and is always showing him love.

  237. rsrobinson on August 18th, 2007 8:42 pm

    Red’s living out a wet dream right now

  238. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 8:42 pm

    That is the most awesome bobblehead I have ever seen.

  239. smb on August 18th, 2007 8:43 pm

    222:

    I agree…the sad truth is that an increasingly senile Neihaus is still head and shoulders above most of the other hacks. I enjoyed Buhner and his obvious passion for seeing the team do well, but his staunch refusal to polish the club’s every turd doomed his chances to keep broadcasting. Sims is okay, except he has no history with the team and sometimes mispronounces names that make me wonder how long he’s even followed baseball. Blowers (and I know we have some Blowers lovers here) adds nothing, in my opinion, and to top it off, his hair in an HD broadcast is distractingly hideous from any kind of angled view. Yeah, my priorities as a viewer are odd, I’ll freely admit.

  240. Slippery Elmer on August 18th, 2007 8:43 pm

    Also, the WGN announcers apparently worship Ibanez.

  241. Shizane on August 18th, 2007 8:43 pm

    that guy looks like the guitarist from Mastodon

  242. Sports on a Schtick on August 18th, 2007 8:43 pm

    Hahah, nice shot of Red.

    Raul makes good plays when he’s around the ball. The bad part is Manny Ramirez is the only player who gets to less balls.

  243. argh on August 18th, 2007 8:44 pm

    We’ve been watching Red all season — he’s a visual character even without the bobble-head.

  244. msb on August 18th, 2007 8:44 pm

    for all you drug users out there, we’re going to show Pierzynski’s HR overlapped with THome’s.

    I missed the intro to it, and just innocently looked up at the screen as it happened, and began to wonder just what was in my teacup.

  245. jeffinfremont on August 18th, 2007 8:44 pm

    233: They really need more ads like this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItWpoUMbqJE

    SHIPOOPIE!

  246. smb on August 18th, 2007 8:44 pm

    233:

    Vhat is your pro-blem? Ve moost give dem a chance!

  247. rsrobinson on August 18th, 2007 8:44 pm

    There’s nothing wrong with Raul’s glove. It’s his legs that usually betray him.

  248. Mike G. on August 18th, 2007 8:45 pm

    225- Luckily I happened to be sucking on a lollipop and running my fingers through my hair when they showed that. For a split second it was like licking God.

  249. apunetid on August 18th, 2007 8:45 pm

    Wasserman’s Gameday picture…

  250. enazario on August 18th, 2007 8:46 pm

    239 -

    We’ll he’s a spokesperson for a hair transplant “system” :-)

  251. fishiam on August 18th, 2007 8:46 pm

    No waffling about it – THAT was a great catch for any LF’er!

  252. terry on August 18th, 2007 8:47 pm

    We’ve cited this before. Raul’s problem is that he only converts something like 79 percent of balls hit into his zone into outs. That’s -bad-

    It’s all relative. I remember during the 2004 winter meetings when Bavasi was courting Delgado, the Ms were seriously considering signing Sexson to play left…

  253. Carson on August 18th, 2007 8:48 pm

    Argh. I am getting increasingly frustrated with these homers talking abouit how they are “waiting for Sexson to get on track.” Will someone please tell them it is officially late August, and it is just not going to happen?

    Okay, and thanks for hitting that double to spite me.

  254. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 8:48 pm

    That was nice. Way to wait on it.

  255. enazario on August 18th, 2007 8:48 pm

    Man this is a tough park for right hand batters.

  256. JMB on August 18th, 2007 8:48 pm

    It’s all relative.

    What?

  257. Slippery Elmer on August 18th, 2007 8:48 pm

    Was Garcia gunshy?–or did Beltre just hesitate too much? He should’ve scored easily.

  258. msb on August 18th, 2007 8:48 pm

    #250– no, that would be Valle, who hasn’t had a hair on top for a good decade or more. Anyone seen what the plugs look like?

  259. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 8:49 pm

    Now that was an odd play. But yay, Mariners lead!

  260. Sports on a Schtick on August 18th, 2007 8:49 pm

    That was a fun series of events.

  261. zzyzx on August 18th, 2007 8:49 pm

    Now that’s a bad throw.

  262. krb on August 18th, 2007 8:49 pm

    Thanks for the bad throw!

  263. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 8:49 pm

    Ground rule throwing error!!! At least that Owens kid can hit…

  264. Slippery Elmer on August 18th, 2007 8:49 pm

    This feels like 2001.

  265. Shizane on August 18th, 2007 8:50 pm

    owens is having a terrible game….

  266. enazario on August 18th, 2007 8:50 pm

    258 – Oh you are right. I forgot about Valle.

  267. JMB on August 18th, 2007 8:50 pm

    And now we see how things fall apart for bad teams.

  268. G-Man on August 18th, 2007 8:50 pm

    How did that ball disappear?

  269. IdahoInvader on August 18th, 2007 8:50 pm

    Yes Richie and Mr. Garcia…Sexson DOES have to score on that no matter how many times we hold him on that play!

  270. terry on August 18th, 2007 8:50 pm

    I wonder how many urinals have been shattered by Ozzie this season…..

  271. Mike G. on August 18th, 2007 8:50 pm

    Yay Kenji, you saved me from looking up “goat” in japanese.

  272. IdahoInvader on August 18th, 2007 8:50 pm

    Was that a pick off throw to THIRD?

  273. krb on August 18th, 2007 8:51 pm

    How did the ball go out of play behind home? Get through the net somehow?

  274. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 8:51 pm

    I’m trying to figure out how McLaren can screw this up. Right now I’m praying that I don’t see Parrish warming up in the BP anytime soon.

  275. IMissBenDavis on August 18th, 2007 8:52 pm

    nice to see us back in this one

  276. zzyzx on August 18th, 2007 8:52 pm

    273 – there’s a little gap for them to put a camera for behind homeplate shots. It somehow landed in there.

  277. JMB on August 18th, 2007 8:52 pm

    They said it went through a hole where a TV camera lens would poke through.

  278. msb on August 18th, 2007 8:53 pm

    #7– “Micah Owings went 4-for-5 with two home runs, four runs and six RBIs and got the win on the mound, allowing three runs on three hits while striking out seven over seven innings. He is the first pitcher with four hits, four runs and six RBIs in the same game.”

  279. JMB on August 18th, 2007 8:53 pm

    NOT TO THAT GUY.

  280. Shizane on August 18th, 2007 8:53 pm

    terrible job by lopez and yuni……kenji has to score there

  281. krb on August 18th, 2007 8:54 pm

    Hmm what are the chances of that. Lucky for us.

  282. Slippery Elmer on August 18th, 2007 8:54 pm

    They don’t want any part of Ichiro.

  283. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 8:54 pm

    Isn’t correct name pronunciation in the job description of even the worst announcers?

  284. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 8:54 pm

    Isn’t correct name pronunciation in the job description of even the worst announcers?

  285. enazario on August 18th, 2007 8:54 pm

    I wanna see Ichiro run!

  286. Slippery Elmer on August 18th, 2007 8:55 pm

    I see the wave!

  287. juustabitoutside on August 18th, 2007 8:55 pm

    Micah Owings hit 69 home runs in his high school career, second only to Drew Henson’s record of 70, at the time. Later broken by Jeff Clement with 75.

  288. Sports on a Schtick on August 18th, 2007 8:56 pm

    It’s as easy as pressing the Turbo button.

  289. Slippery Elmer on August 18th, 2007 8:56 pm

    VEEDRO! A single did the trick… ;-)

  290. enazario on August 18th, 2007 8:56 pm

    Adam is going to grow roots on the bench.

  291. zzyzx on August 18th, 2007 8:56 pm

    JMB – not a hole in the screen, I just rewound to doublecheck. There’s a gap in the wall that it fell in.

  292. JMB on August 18th, 2007 8:57 pm

    “Is he swinging a bat, or what?”

    Yes, he’s certainly swinging a bat.

  293. Shizane on August 18th, 2007 8:58 pm

    call vidro eHarmony because he’s all singles

  294. rsrobinson on August 18th, 2007 8:58 pm

    Vidro’s regression to the mean is delayed yet another game

  295. Tae Bo Jackson on August 18th, 2007 8:58 pm

    That’s Mr. Turbo to you!

  296. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 8:58 pm

    I can’t believe Ozzie has left Wasserman in this long.

  297. enazario on August 18th, 2007 8:59 pm

    Sox are meeeeeeltiiiing.

  298. zzyzx on August 18th, 2007 8:59 pm

    Wow, this is a really ugly inning. I can’t remember the last one I’ve seen that’s been this bad.

  299. JMB on August 18th, 2007 8:59 pm

    Seriously, falling apart.

  300. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 8:59 pm

    I cannot believe as many fans are booing the walking of Ibanez by a left handed pitcher to get to Beltre with the bases loaded.

  301. Slippery Elmer on August 18th, 2007 8:59 pm

    The Sox would’ve gotten away with this if it weren’t for that pesky sodo Mojo! (or something.)

  302. enazario on August 18th, 2007 8:59 pm

    293 – Haha!!! That’s funny.

  303. msb on August 18th, 2007 9:01 pm

    someone really needs to let Sims know the history of Red, who will adore Adrian from the 300 level if he doesn’t have the down-low seats

  304. rsrobinson on August 18th, 2007 9:02 pm

    If Beltre hits a Grand Salami here Red’s life will be complete

  305. krb on August 18th, 2007 9:03 pm

    Ouch.

  306. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 9:03 pm

    If you want to talk about name pronunciation, talk about Betancourt. Have you guys ever heard him or any of his teammates say his name? It’s not “You knee” it’s “Jew knee.”

  307. Slippery Elmer on August 18th, 2007 9:03 pm

    Hey, Beltre, why not appeal to first on that caught-looking?

  308. krb on August 18th, 2007 9:03 pm

    Ouch.

  309. JMB on August 18th, 2007 9:04 pm

    I also like how we’ve gone from the bobblehead weighing “20 or 30 pounds” to it now being “almost life-sized.”

  310. The Unknown Comic on August 18th, 2007 9:07 pm

    Tonight’s Sabermetric Anti-Hero of the Game…

    JOSE VIDRO!!!

  311. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 9:07 pm

    Non-Parrish relievers are warming up!!! It’s gonna be okay!!!

  312. terry on August 18th, 2007 9:07 pm

    For those of you following Eddie’s comeback, he’s been a little hit unlucky so far since making it back to the Reds 25-man (BABIP= .500).

  313. msb on August 18th, 2007 9:08 pm

    ‘life-sized’ if you are Verne Troyer.

    Yuni was Juni during his first season– dunno when or why it shifted to Yuni

  314. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 9:08 pm

    Dream Weaver etc.

  315. fishiam on August 18th, 2007 9:08 pm

    80 pitches, 60 for strikes. Who doesn’t love JW right now?

  316. JMB on August 18th, 2007 9:09 pm

    Uh, wow. First-pitch strike throwing machine.

  317. zzyzx on August 18th, 2007 9:09 pm

    Complete game again? A quick 8th would make it possible.

  318. The Unknown Comic on August 18th, 2007 9:09 pm

    I am a Weavbrve Believbre!

  319. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 9:10 pm

    I still pronounce it “Juni.” If it’s what he calls himself, I think it’s what we should call him.

  320. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 9:11 pm

    312: And that 21.00 ERA, I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up cutting that in half. :)

  321. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 9:11 pm

    I need this game to go fast. I really want to see Superbad and it’s playing at the theatre by my house in exactly one hour.

  322. IMissBenDavis on August 18th, 2007 9:13 pm

    The sad thing is that if Weaver had “looked at the tape” sometime *before* he lost is first 8 decisions or whatever, we might actually have the first or second best record in baseball.

  323. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 9:14 pm

    What’s that about tape? And do you really miss Ben Davis?

  324. The Unknown Comic on August 18th, 2007 9:16 pm

    #322

    Fair enough but I am still in a state of shock with our record to begin with so at this point I couldn’t be happier even though I still think it is a real long shot the Mariners make the playoffs.

  325. BrianL on August 18th, 2007 9:18 pm

    #323

    I miss the Ben Davis dugout dance.

  326. msb on August 18th, 2007 9:19 pm

    speaking of veterans, the Mets now have Moises Alou and Sandy Alomar on their team.

    btw, Jason, isn’t it time to update the blogspot page?

  327. IMissBenDavis on August 18th, 2007 9:19 pm

    323 – one of the reasons Weaver gave for his turnaround was that he went back and reviewed tape of himself when he was still “in winning form”. No, I really don’t miss Ben Davis.

  328. krb on August 18th, 2007 9:20 pm

    Where was that?

  329. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 9:20 pm

    Weaver has every right to argue that one. The ump has been ridiculous with his strike zone tonight.

  330. The Unknown Comic on August 18th, 2007 9:20 pm

    I thought Ben Davis was gonna be good.

  331. krb on August 18th, 2007 9:21 pm

    Just don’t start throwing stupid pitches because of that.

  332. The Unknown Comic on August 18th, 2007 9:21 pm

    That pitch looked high to me.

  333. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 9:22 pm

    All the same, Weaver should probably’ve been tossed.

  334. fishiam on August 18th, 2007 9:23 pm

    Let’s hope Felix was watching how Weaver handled that non-call. There was no doubt Weaver had that guy struck out. But he let it go and moved on, got the next batter. Professional (mature, really) pitcher.

  335. _David_ on August 18th, 2007 9:23 pm

    Ichiro playing all three OF possitions tonight

  336. terry on August 18th, 2007 9:23 pm

    Man Ichiro would be murder to play 500 with….

  337. krb on August 18th, 2007 9:23 pm

    That shoulder shrug was pretty hilarious though.

  338. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 9:24 pm

    Boo. Leave him in. That’s only 82 pitches.

  339. Shizane on August 18th, 2007 9:24 pm

    thome would have had 3 HRs tonight if this were in chicago

  340. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 9:24 pm

    Ibanez probably doesn’t mind, but I wonder how Guillen feels about it.

  341. kmsandrbs on August 18th, 2007 9:25 pm

    If only Weaver cold pitch to the ChiSox every game …

  342. Shizane on August 18th, 2007 9:31 pm

    wow, this is the first time i have seen green pitch…..NASTY!

  343. fishiam on August 18th, 2007 9:31 pm

    Kinda eerie how there are no comments after the GS home run. It’s not a pleasant observation …. second game in a row ….

  344. heph on August 18th, 2007 9:34 pm

    fishiam –

    server crashed.

  345. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 9:34 pm

    Fields is earning his gold glove tonight

  346. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 9:35 pm

    You think George being less effective lately could have anything to do with the way he’s being used? He’s pitched three of the last four days facing either one or two batters everytime. The last time George faced more than two hitters was August 9th.

  347. Tek Jansen on August 18th, 2007 9:37 pm

    I think GS52 is fine. He is just proving to be something less than the greastes lefty reliever of all-time.

  348. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 9:37 pm

    346 I was thinking along the same lines. Can’t be good for his confidence and definitely not a good time for him to break down mentally.

  349. Tek Jansen on August 18th, 2007 9:37 pm

    I think GS52 is fine. He is just proving to be something less than the greatest lefty reliever of all-time.

  350. Borat4President on August 18th, 2007 9:38 pm

    Question for you guys: I’m driving up from Portland for tomorrow’s game. The news is going on about the I-5 construction, so I’m wondering what’s the best way to get to the Safe. Is the traffic really bad around 4th ave? Or should I get off somewhere before? Thanks.

  351. The Unknown Comic on August 18th, 2007 9:39 pm

    As much as I root for Jose Vidro to defy all sabermetric limitations and probabilities I still wouldn’t want him on my fantasy team even at 2b.

  352. msb on August 18th, 2007 9:39 pm

    re: #340– Jason, didn’t you mention way back before the season seeing Ichiro draw a diagram of the area he thought should cover as a centerfielder?

  353. enazario on August 18th, 2007 9:40 pm

    The traffic actually hasn’t been as bad as expected. And tomorrow of course is Sunday so no work traffic. You should be OK.

  354. fishiam on August 18th, 2007 9:41 pm

    1 pitch … and 1 deep exhale by JJ.

  355. DAMellen on August 18th, 2007 9:41 pm

    Yow. That didn’t go as far as I thought it would.

  356. Borat4President on August 18th, 2007 9:42 pm

    Thanks 353.

  357. VaughnStreet on August 18th, 2007 9:42 pm

    The great Raul Ibanez has been replaced in left field by the mere mortal Adam Jones.

  358. Shizane on August 18th, 2007 9:42 pm

    ADAM JONES SIGHTING!

  359. rsrobinson on August 18th, 2007 9:44 pm

    Where the hell was that pitch?

  360. krb on August 18th, 2007 9:46 pm

    Game Over!

  361. Borat4President on August 18th, 2007 9:46 pm

    Putzed!

  362. rsrobinson on August 18th, 2007 9:46 pm

    Yes! Just two games down on LAA.

  363. DMZ on August 18th, 2007 9:47 pm

    In defense of the server, it gets really slow — it’s never fallen over and died, or crashed.

  364. pinball1973 on August 18th, 2007 9:47 pm

    I believe Mac is attempting to fine-tune that rarest of bad managerial talents: knowiing which good relief pitcher is primed to give up the home run. Another month of these lineups (Adam + Ben = Bench) and these either penchant for the wrong move or an unusual amount of bad luck and I will hate this man, as a manager, as much as I did Hargrove. But I won’t give him even the rest of the season to fail us all.

    Oh, for even slightly smart management, on the field and in the front office!

  365. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 9:49 pm

    Nice win. Is the strategy against Putz to swing at the first pitch? Last week Fields crushed one against Putz on the first pitch. Tonight AJ hit it pretty hard IMO on the first pitch against Putz. I think I’m being paranoid.

  366. pinball1973 on August 18th, 2007 9:50 pm

    Oh, and I’m very happy we won!

  367. The Unknown Comic on August 18th, 2007 9:50 pm

    I got to where I hated Hargrove but for some reason I just can’t find it in my heart to hate Mac. I guess it is because the M’s are still in the race and I never experienced that with Hargrove as they were always out of the race at this point.

  368. VivoEnSafeco082 on August 18th, 2007 9:53 pm

    [and that's it for you]

  369. msb on August 18th, 2007 9:55 pm

    over the wall?

  370. DizzleChizzle on August 18th, 2007 9:57 pm

    What is up with the hit and run comments on this site? Sometime I think people just wait and lurk for Ibanez to have a good night just so they can post a ridiculous comment like 368. Nobody is saying that Ibanez shouldn’t play. Some of us are just saying that he shouldn’t be playing in LF.

  371. The Unknown Comic on August 18th, 2007 9:59 pm

    I don’t get that emotional about the Ibanez vs. Jones in LF debate but I gotta admit that when Ibanez is in left I pray the ball isn’t hit to left field very much.

  372. Rick L on August 18th, 2007 10:15 pm

    346. George hasn’t faced more than two batters since August ninth mostly because he walked the only guy he faced or gave upa home run.

  373. msb on August 18th, 2007 10:43 pm

    little tidbit from the postgame– Pitman was introducing the crew coming out of commercial, and misspoke, calling Dave Valle ‘Dave Neihaus’. Drayer, in correcting him, pointed out that he’d just confused Valle with ‘The Bighaus’.

    nice nickname

  374. chief on August 18th, 2007 11:00 pm

    Re Ibanez vs Jones on defense in LF. Has anyone noticed how, when Ibanez is in LF, Ichiro covers so much of LF deep from his CF position and Yuni covers so much of LF short from his SS position? Do you suppose management has told them to cover for Ibanez or are they just being agressive?

  375. JLC on August 18th, 2007 11:10 pm

    That’s part of what got AJ into trouble in LF. Everybody’s so used to covering LF that they there was the three way convergence when he dropped the ball.

  376. pumpkinhead on August 18th, 2007 11:43 pm

    Did Red tear up when he got Adrian’s bat? I thought I saw moist eyes.

  377. kyoko on August 19th, 2007 12:49 am

    271 – for future rference – yagi – doesn’t really work in translation though

  378. juneau_fan on August 19th, 2007 1:37 am

    374. That’s why Raul can be back there against the wall to try for home run balls. Ichiro was probably muttering under his breath, “That was *my* webgem!”

  379. Leroy on August 19th, 2007 2:27 am

    Weaver is only beginning to demonstrate how he can carry a ball club and Ibanez is quite possibly one of the most ammazingly gifted athletes to ever don a Mariner uniform. Hallelujah! Angels take heed

  380. msb on August 19th, 2007 7:12 am

    Positivitely!!!

  381. Dave S. on August 19th, 2007 8:59 am

    So, I’m wondering how long this whole “Ibanez hitting the crap out of the ball” thing is going to last. I know you guys hate results-based analysis, and God knows I’ve been dead wrong in the past (though the archives of Dave’s Mariners Blog are lost forever). But you have been wrong about Ibanez in the past, too. Is it possible that Ibanez “found his stroke?”

    Also, with only one day off the rest of the season I hope that McLaren utilizes his bench a little bit more than he has been. Even if he insists on using Jones as a backup there shouldn’t be any reason why he can’t get consistent playing time down the stretch.

  382. fortysixntwo on August 19th, 2007 9:45 am

    381:

    I don’t think that anybody is really advocating that Raul shouldn’t be hitting. People are advocating that he should never play left field and should be the DH against right handed pitchers.

    He’s hitting .278/.303/.365(!) off lefties and .278/.348/.495 against righties this year.

  383. rsrobinson on August 19th, 2007 11:25 am

    Well, USSM really started beating the drums to bring AJ up and play every day after the all star break. The claim was that he was such a big defensive upgrade in LF that it wouldn’t matter that much how he hit. But, frankly, that argument is much less convincing now than it was a month or so ago when you look at Vidro’s and Ibanez’s hitting productivity since then, along with Jones’ drops in the OF. I think a good case can be made that taking either Vidro’s or Ibanez’s bat out of the lineup likely would have cost the M’s some games over the past five weeks even presuming that Jones would have eventually settled down and started making catches.

  384. terry on August 19th, 2007 11:28 am

    I think a good case can be made that taking either Vidro’s or Ibanez’s bat out of the lineup likely would have cost the M’s some games over the past five weeks even presuming that Jones would have eventually settled down and started making catches.

    Are you going to treat us with one then?

  385. DMZ on August 19th, 2007 11:45 am

    When did we make the claim that Jones was such a big defensive upgrade that it wouldn’t matter how he hit?

    The closest Dave said, during Ibanez’s slump of horror, was that you could bring him up and he could hit .200 and the net would be positive.

    Plus, see elsewhere, there’s a fine argument that Vidro’s success is unlikely to continue, though obviously, one never knows.

  386. rsrobinson on August 19th, 2007 11:47 am

    Are you going to treat us with one then?

    Vidro stats since AS break: .405 Avg, .952 OPS, 22 RBIs
    Ibanez stats since AS bread: .286 Avg., .883 OPS, 7 HR, 25 RBIs

    One of those two bats comes out of the lineup every day if Jones is out there and he may or may not have come anywhere close to those numbers. And he’s looked shaky in the outfield at times, to say the least.

    The USSM conventional wisdom on Vidro has been wrong now for five weeks and counting and Ibanez has been shredding the ball recently. The case for Jones playing every day is just a lot weaker than it was a month ago. Sorry.

  387. DMZ on August 19th, 2007 11:50 am

    OMG

  388. rsrobinson on August 19th, 2007 11:58 am

    Plus, see elsewhere, there’s a fine argument that Vidro’s success is unlikely to continue, though obviously, one never knows.

    You mean the argument where you closed comments? That one?

    I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m saying that some of your arguments were weak and you provided no opportunity for a rebuttal.

  389. DMZ on August 19th, 2007 12:04 pm

    We’d argued it out in dozens of game threads! Posts on topics even remotely touching Vidro! There’s nothing in there that was new!

    You could have emailed this hypothetically awesome rebuttal to us and we could have discussed it! Started your own blog!

    brraaarrraaaaararaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

  390. _David_ on August 19th, 2007 12:04 pm

    Santana slapping around the Rangers…12 up 12 down, 9 Ks.

  391. rsrobinson on August 19th, 2007 12:14 pm

    We’d argued it out in dozens of game threads! Posts on topics even remotely touching Vidro! There’s nothing in there that was new!

    If people are continuously arguing it then obviously quite a few people aren’t buying your argument. So how does a one-sided preach-to-the-choir post settle the issue? Even Geoff Baker has been getting snarky lately about the constant beating of the “regression to the mean” drums to advocate benching guys who are swinging the bat well in favor of a talented but unproven rookie.

    Anyway, I’m off to the game. Go M’s!

  392. The Unknown Comic on August 19th, 2007 12:39 pm

    #391

    Gotta admit that even though I do think that the Mariners would be a better organization if they followed the advice of Dave and DMZ I can appreciate a polite voice of opposition to the Uss Mariner orthodoxy. Sometimes I find it quite refreshing to be honest.

  393. Mr. Egaas on August 19th, 2007 2:21 pm

    Pour it on fellas.

  394. Rick L on August 19th, 2007 2:59 pm

    I am glad we aren’t playing a good offensive team.

  395. PullmansFinest on August 19th, 2007 4:14 pm

    It takes a lot of baseball intelligence to find something to bad mouth about a 2 hole hitter batting .320.

  396. Jeff Nye on August 19th, 2007 6:40 pm

    I think rsrobinson should start his own Mariners site.

    vidrorox.com is still available!

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