Game 132, Mariners at Indians

JMB · August 30, 2007 at 3:02 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

LHP Ramirez vs. LHP Aaron Laffey, 4:05pm, radio only?

Ramirez, 2007 road: 8 G, 38.1 IP, 61 H, 45 R, 6 HR, 20 BB, 17 K, .363 BAA. That’s almost an unfathomably bad line.

Laffey, making his fourth major league start, is a groundball machine. First time out, he was 11:5 GB:FB. Second start, 14:2. Last start, 15:0. That’s not a typo. I’m sure Dave loves Aaron Laffey.

I’m going to go grab some BBQ, watch the game, and contemplate staying up to watch USA Hoops vs. Argentina at midnight.

CF Ichiro       CF Sizemore
2B Vidro        2B Cabrera
DH Guillen      DH Hafner
LF Ibanez       C  Martinez
3B Beltre       1B Garko
1B Sexson       SS Peralta
C  Johjima      RF Gutierrez
RF Jones        LF Michaels
SS Betancourt   3B Gomez

Comments

389 Responses to “Game 132, Mariners at Indians”

  1. cgmonk on August 30th, 2007 3:09 pm

    Vidro at 2nd
    Guillen DH
    Jones in Right

  2. Dave on August 30th, 2007 3:10 pm

    I wouldn’t say I love Aaron Laffey, but he’s a quality major league 5th starter. The Indians have these guys coming out their ears, which is why they were able to dump both Jeremy Sowers and Cliff Lee after poor starts to the season. It’s amazing what having a good front office will do for organizational depth.

    By the way, Turbo back to second base in lieu of Jose Lopez, with Jones in right field, and Guillen at DH – once again, McLaren manages to put AJ in the line-up with a groundball pitcher on the mound and minimize Jones’ potential impact on the game.

    It’s amazing how often he makes the wrong decision. And yes, Mr. Baker, it’s totally possible to make right and wrong decisions in baseball.

  3. darrylzero on August 30th, 2007 3:13 pm

    I really couldn’t believe that the first post was telling me Vidro at second when the introduction was talking about what a groundballer the guy is. This has happened a truly remarkable number of times.

  4. julian on August 30th, 2007 3:13 pm

    If they want to give Guillen a day off, why not put Ibanez at DH, Ichiro in left-center, and Jones in right-center? Probably wouldn’t lose too much defensively.

  5. Dave on August 30th, 2007 3:14 pm

    Vidro has started six games at second base this year. Ignoring the two interleague games, McLaren has picked his spots to play Vidro in the field four times – twice with Ramirez on the hill, once with Batista, and once with Felix. Weaver and Washburn, the two flyball starters, have never had Vidro start behind them.

    That’s just ignorance.

  6. julian on August 30th, 2007 3:14 pm

    3 – I had the same thought, but then I realized that the groundballer pitches for *their* team. As much as we’d like Vidro to be playing 2B for them instead of us, it’s not the case.

  7. darrylzero on August 30th, 2007 3:15 pm

    Weird brain fart there about defense, etc., but the point stands. At least it’s not for Felix this time.

  8. darrylzero on August 30th, 2007 3:16 pm

    6, yeah, I’m so exasperated by these moves that I’m expecting insanity of that variety.

  9. DMZ on August 30th, 2007 3:17 pm

    It may be a blessing that we don’t have TV for this one.

  10. Tropics iRE on August 30th, 2007 3:17 pm

    ESPN reports this lineup:

    SEATTLE @ CLEVELAND

    1. I. Suzuki, CF G. Sizemore, CF
    2. J. Vidro, 2B A. Cabrera, 2B
    3. J. Guillen, DH T. Hafner, DH
    4. R. Ibanez, LF V. Martinez, C
    5. A. Beltre, 3B R. Garko, 1B
    6. R. Sexson, 1B J. Peralta, SS
    7. K. Johjima, C F. Gutierrez, RF
    8. A. Jones, RF J. Michaels, LF
    9. Y. Betancourt,SS C. Gomez, 3B

    -Ti

  11. kolson82 on August 30th, 2007 3:18 pm

    Dave, can we re-institute the Antonetti in ’08 political campaign? Maybe get that neat button looking thing back on the right side bar of the site.

  12. Tropics iRE on August 30th, 2007 3:18 pm

    dude.. that isnt how i posted it… sory for the hard to read side by side mistake.

  13. JMB on August 30th, 2007 3:18 pm

    Just got the lineup in the post for those who like a train wreck.

  14. SequimRealEstate on August 30th, 2007 3:18 pm

    julian,

    Cracked me up on your 2 outfielder idea.

  15. JMB on August 30th, 2007 3:19 pm

    Oh, and given both lineups start CF-2B-DH, it’s easy to play Derek’s favorite game.

  16. julian on August 30th, 2007 3:22 pm

    I’m going to go grab some BBQ, watch the game, and contemplate staying up to watch USA Hoops vs. Argentina at midnight.

    Which will be higher, HoRam’s ERA for today’s game or the point differential between the US and Argentina?

    Anyone care to put odds on this?

  17. lailaihei on August 30th, 2007 3:23 pm

    This game is gonna be a laugh. If the Mariners end up winning, it will be 11+ for the Ms and 10+ for the Indians.

  18. Tropics iRE on August 30th, 2007 3:24 pm

    oh, its gonna be a barn burner alright

  19. Manzanillos Cup on August 30th, 2007 3:30 pm

    I’d keep Jones, Beltre, and Yuni, but just because Peralta has always bugged me. Every one else, I’d switch.

  20. david h on August 30th, 2007 3:32 pm

    15: I’d take them all, SP included, except 3B and RF. CF is a killer, but the dude’s only 25. I suppose I’d take Michaels just because he’s cheaper/easier to dump than Ibanez after the season.

  21. carcinogen on August 30th, 2007 3:33 pm

    McLaren is making my brain hurt. This is just lunacy.

  22. vb1138 on August 30th, 2007 3:36 pm

    Didn’t Adam Jones come up as a shortstop and was converted to outfield because of our developmental depth at SS? So, would putting him at 2nd, Guillen/Ibanez in the outfield, and Vidro still DH be better than Vidro at 2nd? Or is that too much like the second coming of WFB, hey he’s getting as much bench time lately…

  23. DMZ on August 30th, 2007 3:37 pm

    I swear to god, we talk about this 3x a day. Jones isn’t going to convert to being an infiedler again, or a utility player.

  24. carcinogen on August 30th, 2007 3:43 pm

    Hey, I just noticed that “The AC” is starting for Cleveland? How long has that been going on?

  25. JJD on August 30th, 2007 3:44 pm

    Speaking of USA-Argentina, did anyone else watch USA-Uruguay besides me? I watched the first half and LeBron’s craziness, including his dunk where he got the ball in the backcourt and Walton gasped “oh no” as he started to pick up speed, then he rammed it home (again) over a hapless Uruguayan player (again). It was so awesome (mostly because of Walton) that I believe it was the complete opposite of the feeling of watching the Angels-series.

  26. Sports on a Schtick on August 30th, 2007 3:45 pm

    Anyone else think Baker has been weak the past few days? McLaren should have been criticized into the ground for letting Rick White pitch to Vlad. That’s like letting White be the closer.

  27. Ralph Malph on August 30th, 2007 3:45 pm

    The AC?

  28. JJD on August 30th, 2007 3:47 pm

    24 – Not only that, they are PLAYING HIM REGULARLY (and he’s hitting .316.) WHAT A CONCEPT.

  29. Chris Miller on August 30th, 2007 3:47 pm

    I think AJ should pitch, I mean he used to be a pitcher, right? He couldn’t be worse than HoRam, could he?

  30. TonyH on August 30th, 2007 3:48 pm

    “Hey, I just noticed that “The AC” is starting for Cleveland? How long has that been going on?”

    Couple weeks now. He took over for Barfield, who has been a disaster at the plate this year. He homered off Santana last night.

  31. Tropics iRE on August 30th, 2007 3:49 pm

    ichiro playing in ’96 for the Orix Blue Wave.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2JYg1DPtLg

  32. carcinogen on August 30th, 2007 3:49 pm

    27: Astrubal Cabrera

    Wasn’t that his nickname around here a few years ago?

  33. DMZ on August 30th, 2007 3:50 pm

    Here as in USSM? No.

  34. wallywwu on August 30th, 2007 3:51 pm

    I know its not a popular opinion or even a good one probably, but I’m glad to see Vidro at 2nd and taking Lopez out of the lineup. I’m not sure I can take anymore of Lopez’s give up swings even if it may mean slightly less range in the field.

    Lets face it, we are going to need a lot of runs to win with HoRam pitching. Might as well get your best offensive line up out there.

    If Vidro has 3 ground balls go just out of his reach tonight then you can call me a moron.

  35. Lauren, token chick on August 30th, 2007 3:52 pm

    Is Jones going to convert to being an Arthur Fiedler, then, DMZ? Perhaps his future lies in music instead.

  36. Mat on August 30th, 2007 3:53 pm

    Lets face it, we are going to need a lot of runs to win with HoRam pitching.

    Unless the team plays good defense, in which case they won’t need as many runs.

  37. carcinogen on August 30th, 2007 3:54 pm

    33: Derek, I don’t think it was official…you know…not like “Turbo” but I remember somebody saying it and it stuck with me.

    Anyway…I’m weird like that ‘-)

  38. DMZ on August 30th, 2007 3:55 pm

    I don’t need to have Vidro let 3 grounders by him to call you a moron :p

    It’s not “slightly less range”. It’s a functioning infielder to a fire hydrant. Vidro’s lateral range is almost entirely gone.

  39. carcinogen on August 30th, 2007 3:56 pm

    31…off topic, but [deleted, off-topic]

  40. currcoug on August 30th, 2007 3:57 pm

    Cabrera has been up since August 7th.

    He has been so impressive that the Indians have him in the #2 hole already. He has responded by hitting .316, .333, .491., .824.

    We haven’t even seen use his great basestealing skills yet.

    Thanks Bill, another great trade.

  41. joser on August 30th, 2007 3:58 pm

    McLaren’s explanation of his bullpen use on Tuesday makes my head hurt enough that I suspect his explanation of his employment of White would simply make it assplode.

  42. mr.smartypants on August 30th, 2007 3:59 pm

    if you want to be extremely depressed, check out Baker’s blog. Looks like Vidro at Second isn’t going to be a once-in-a-while thing anymore.

    The one positive I had about McClaren at this point was that he was sticking with Lopez at second, showing that he knew that his defense was important. Now he wants Lopez to sit down for a while, and “gather his thoughts.”

    The whole team is going to have plenty of time to gather their thoughts this October.

  43. darrylzero on August 30th, 2007 4:01 pm

    Speaking of Cabrera… Was Eduardo Perez an extreme pull hitter? I kind of liked the trade at the time, though I thought the price was too high, but could we have better foreseen maybe that he would be a really bad fit for Safeco? Or did he just fall off of a cliff? Or too small of a sample size to know anything really?

  44. joser on August 30th, 2007 4:02 pm

    Meanwhile, the one guy Bavasi got from the Indians who is still on the team is mouldering on the bench because Mr. “his bat will catch fire any day now” Sexson is closing in on some kind of “most ABs by a .200 batter” record, and we wouldn’t want to miss out on that…

  45. wallywwu on August 30th, 2007 4:03 pm

    I understand the defensive side of it, but at this point I’m not opposed to taking our worst hitter out of the lineup to get some potential power into it. I feel like there is more of an upside there.

    Are the odds of Vidro costing us runs at 2nd base better than odds of Jones creating runs at the plate? Plus we are improved in the OF.

  46. nwtrev on August 30th, 2007 4:03 pm

    26 – I totally agree with you. I like to read Geoff’s stuff, but he has seriously lost it when it comes to McLaren. Dave is right. How long would you be a job foremean if you let the painter do all the welding day after day?

  47. terry on August 30th, 2007 4:06 pm

    Can Jones catch? He could spell Johjima…..

  48. joser on August 30th, 2007 4:07 pm

    Are the odds of Vidro costing us runs at 2nd base better than odds of Jones creating runs at the plate? Plus we are improved in the OF

    Depends on the GB/FB tendencies of the pitcher, obviously.

    But McLaren, like Hargrove, has shown no evidence he’s even aware that those kinds of pitchers exist.

  49. msb on August 30th, 2007 4:07 pm

    a game preview from the Tribe’s side of things. Wouldn’t it be so in-keeping with this year if Asdrubal is the difference-maker in today’s game?

    and, crap. “Another August sweep of the Boston Red Sox put the New York Yankees in prime position for a September playoff run. Chien-Ming Wang took a no-hit bid into the seventh inning, Robinson Cano homered twice off Curt Schilling and the Yankees beat Boston 5-0 Thursday for their third straight win over the Red Sox.”

  50. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 4:09 pm

    Can Jones do nothing? He can spell Broussard…

  51. MarinerDan on August 30th, 2007 4:10 pm

    Rick White:Mariners bullpen::melanoma:skin

  52. VaughnStreet on August 30th, 2007 4:10 pm

    I think we should call Vidro “maytag” to denote more clearly his range.

  53. jlc on August 30th, 2007 4:11 pm

    I’m as frustrated with McLaren as anyone, but is there any reason to believe the management isn’t happy with him? I hope I’m wrong, but I think they’re all going to be patting themselves on the back for doing so well this season. And they’ll draw all the wrong conclusions for next year.

  54. MarinerDan on August 30th, 2007 4:13 pm

    I’m as frustrated with McLaren as anyone, but is there any reason to believe the management isn’t happy with him? I hope I’m wrong, but I think they’re all going to be patting themselves on the back for doing so well this season. And they’ll draw all the wrong conclusions for next year.

    I totally agree with this:

    Ibanez catching fire in August. Conclusion: He is still an everyday LF.

    Vidro hitting a bunch of singles in August. Conclusion: He should be our DH next year.

    Weaver performing decently since coming off the DL. Conclusion: Sign him up for round 2.

    Morrow performing well out of the bullpen. Conclusion: He is a reliever.

  55. nwtrev on August 30th, 2007 4:16 pm

    “To tell the truth, I’m not excited to go to Cleveland, but we have to,” Ichiro said about the Mariners’ three one-day trips. “If I ever saw myself saying I’m excited going to Cleveland, I’d punch myself in the face, because I’m lying.”

    Gotta love Ichiro-isms. I wonder if his dog gave him any advice for the road trip.

  56. JMB on August 30th, 2007 4:21 pm

    OK, I’m stuffed.

  57. Ralph Malph on August 30th, 2007 4:21 pm

    Two ice creams today, bitches.

  58. juneau_fan on August 30th, 2007 4:24 pm

    I loved the tone of surprise in Dave’s voice to announce a 1-2-3 inning for Ramirez.

    We’re right there with you, Dave.

  59. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 4:28 pm

    Yay Beltre or something positive about the team… I can’t get the taste of Angel W’s out of my mouth.

  60. C. Cheetah on August 30th, 2007 4:28 pm

    I realize many have said that Jones will not be converted back to an infielder, but….Jones has to better than Vidro at 2nd…doesn’t he???

  61. Teej on August 30th, 2007 4:28 pm

    Hey, Richie hit the ball hard! Progress!

    Sigh.

  62. Gilgameche on August 30th, 2007 4:31 pm

    Hit the ball hard . . to the pitcher.

  63. mr.smartypants on August 30th, 2007 4:32 pm

    he hit the ball hard? that must mean he’s starting for another week.

  64. JMB on August 30th, 2007 4:32 pm

    For what it’s worth, the Cleveland TV guys also seemed surprised that Ramirez looks sharp early.

  65. jephdood on August 30th, 2007 4:32 pm

    Richie should walk off into a corn field, never to return.

  66. jlc on August 30th, 2007 4:34 pm

    65 Yeah, but the Twilight Zone one, not the Field of Dreams one.

  67. JMB on August 30th, 2007 4:34 pm

    Garko is 0-8 against M’s pitching this year? Why, I’m surprised they started him!

  68. JMB on August 30th, 2007 4:34 pm

    Or maybe Children of the Corn.

  69. JMB on August 30th, 2007 4:41 pm

    “You cannot send Garko.”

  70. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 4:41 pm

    Garcia would have sent him…

  71. SpokaneMsFan on August 30th, 2007 4:43 pm

    Dave, is there any realistic possibility this is Ho-Ram’s last start if he just gets shelled again?

  72. Swungonandbelted on August 30th, 2007 4:43 pm

    Airmail…..

  73. JMB on August 30th, 2007 4:43 pm

    How is it that a major league outfielder can’t make a better throw than that?

  74. DMZ on August 30th, 2007 4:43 pm

    Jones, you’re killing me.

  75. mr.smartypants on August 30th, 2007 4:43 pm

    that got ugly pretty fast

  76. bellacaramella on August 30th, 2007 4:44 pm

    Why do I torture myself…

  77. SpokaneMsFan on August 30th, 2007 4:44 pm

    You can take the if out of my last post

  78. JMB on August 30th, 2007 4:44 pm

    I meant Ibanez. But hey, Jones too.

  79. mariners23 on August 30th, 2007 4:45 pm

    I dont know why I find myself watching this team throw the season away.

  80. bergamot on August 30th, 2007 4:46 pm

    I hope Lopez gathers his thoughts quickly, or we may not see a defensive double play the rest of the season.

  81. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 4:46 pm

    Just bring in Rick White and get it over with. Send us all to our miserable mental drinking state of mind so we can get on with our night.

  82. eternal on August 30th, 2007 4:46 pm

    I love this from Mariners.com

    “Horacio Ramirez, who has pitched better recently on the road, starts in Cleveland.”

  83. DMZ on August 30th, 2007 4:48 pm

    Looking ahead, too, Marcum’s been on fire for the Blue Jays, there’s a good chance he entirely carves up this lineup to make it six games in a row.

  84. SpokaneMsFan on August 30th, 2007 4:48 pm

    I almost sent Jim Street an e-mail asking if he’d actually ever seen Ho-Ram pitch after I read that.

  85. Say Hey on August 30th, 2007 4:51 pm

    Tigers, Yanks both win easily and we’re down 3-0 after two.

    Can this get any worse? I mean, that’s rhetorical, but I mean… geez.

    BTW, has anybody been reading Baker’s blog over at the Times? He seems to go out of his way to defend the status quo (McClaren, etc.), doesn’t he?

  86. _David_ on August 30th, 2007 4:51 pm

    Derek, you mean 7 right?

  87. jlc on August 30th, 2007 4:53 pm

    Baker was actually part of the free AJ group for a while, but a couple of weeks ago he decided that the team is what it is and they have to finish the season with what they’ve got.

  88. bergamot on August 30th, 2007 4:53 pm

    Re 85: I watched the Cubs collapse in 1969.

    This can get much, much worse.

  89. Mike Honcho on August 30th, 2007 4:53 pm

    Dammit, AJ.

    I’m his biggest fan, but I sure wish he’d start making more of a case to be starting…

  90. Glen on August 30th, 2007 4:54 pm

    Mac PLEASE, please get Adam more at bats and don’t let him lose his confidence by playing him once every other week.

  91. Sec 108 on August 30th, 2007 4:54 pm

    You have to be in first place to collapse. This team is just a tease.

  92. JMB on August 30th, 2007 4:55 pm

    I want to know what movie the Indians are showing after the game on Saturday.

  93. nwtrev on August 30th, 2007 4:56 pm

    1-2-3 inning… I can’t even “watch” this on MLB Gamecast. Time to head back to Ballard and commence my drowning of the sorrows. At least I can’t see this one on TV

  94. JMB on August 30th, 2007 4:56 pm

    Well, I’m eating some rally pie, so let’s see if that helps.

  95. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 4:58 pm

    Griffey just missed 593 by about 6 inches, but it was his 1999 XBH.

  96. msb on August 30th, 2007 4:58 pm

    Rizzs rambling on about AJ only hitting about .218 after ‘tearing up the coast league’. SO Rizzs, how many ABs in how many months is that for Adam?

  97. seacard on August 30th, 2007 4:58 pm

    #90 — what is it about Jones’s play so far that makes you think that he should be getting MORE playing time? (I know all about small sample sizes, but I’ve seen nothing–offensively or defensively–from Jones so far to make me think he deserves to be in there over Broussard or Ibanez or Vidro)

  98. JMB on August 30th, 2007 4:58 pm

    Go Griffey go.

  99. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 5:00 pm

    Typo. That is 1099 XBH.

  100. msb on August 30th, 2007 5:00 pm

    mmmmmmmm, pie.

    dammit. stop walking the Indians.

  101. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 5:02 pm

    AJ is good… but we are in a playof hunt and can’t afford to risk playing him. lol. After all, the combination of quality veterans we have now (Ibanez and Sexson) are really performing…

    God forbid.

  102. Glen on August 30th, 2007 5:02 pm

    #90 — what is it about Jones’s play so far that makes you think that he should be getting MORE playing time? (I know all about small sample sizes, but I’ve seen nothing–offensively or defensively–from Jones so far to make me think he deserves to be in there over Broussard or Ibanez or Vidro)

    Just that, getting at-bats once every 10 – 14 days will not help him adjust to MLB. He has played positions that he has never played before, and is unable to keep the rust off because he doesn’t get to play often.

  103. maalox on August 30th, 2007 5:02 pm

    These are some great looking pitches

  104. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 5:03 pm

    90- And he has been talking to Gritty Willie so his skills are declining by the day.

  105. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 5:03 pm

    Actually guys. HoRam isnt that bad tonight.

    If we could just score some runs.

  106. JMB on August 30th, 2007 5:03 pm

    Whew.

  107. maalox on August 30th, 2007 5:04 pm

    Did ibanez just rob peralta? Gameday is not being descriptive here

  108. nickpdx on August 30th, 2007 5:04 pm

    I know all about small sample sizes, but I’ve seen nothing–offensively or defensively–from Jones so far to make me think he deserves to be in there over Broussard or Ibanez or Vidro

    Contradiction, thy name is seacard.

  109. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 5:04 pm

    I mean, yeah he let up almost 5 runs in 3 innings.. but other than that, it is a good night for him. Usually he is out of the game by now.

  110. Glen on August 30th, 2007 5:04 pm

    it looks that way, the red dot is out of the field. lol

  111. C. Cheetah on August 30th, 2007 5:05 pm

    Wow… Horam is only at 64 pitches thru 3 innings!!! He might make it to the 5th…

  112. JMB on August 30th, 2007 5:05 pm

    Did ibanez just rob peralta?

    No, just on the track.

  113. _David_ on August 30th, 2007 5:05 pm

    Gameday is funny. It shows that flyout as completely behind the wall in LF.

  114. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 5:06 pm

    110- If Ibanez could jump that wall I don’t think we could complain about his D.

  115. Glen on August 30th, 2007 5:07 pm

    114 – oh yea, I forgot Cleveland has that huge wall in left and left-center.

  116. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 5:08 pm

    This is it. If we lose tonight, we can forget it. The Yankees schedule only gets easier and ours only gets harder.

  117. maalox on August 30th, 2007 5:14 pm

    Gameday isn’t updating. Arghhh

  118. nwtrev on August 30th, 2007 5:15 pm

    Gameday crashed. Had to switch over to Gamecast

  119. nwtrev on August 30th, 2007 5:17 pm

    which is apparently the same thing because it still has Ral at 0-2 in top of the fourth

  120. Teej on August 30th, 2007 5:18 pm

    For what it’s worth, there was just a long argument between Eric Wedge and the homeplate umpire. That might be why it’s not updating.

  121. JMB on August 30th, 2007 5:19 pm

    Try Gamelog.

  122. JMB on August 30th, 2007 5:19 pm

    During which Wedge was tossed.

  123. SpokaneMsFan on August 30th, 2007 5:20 pm

    cbssportsline.com’s gamecenter appears to be working

  124. DMZ on August 30th, 2007 5:21 pm

    I’m ready for dreamtime, Mr. B.

  125. maalox on August 30th, 2007 5:21 pm

    I’ve got them all open at once. I’m practically drunk on information.

  126. msb on August 30th, 2007 5:22 pm

    so, what kind of pie was it?

    and mustard, vinegar or red BBQ?

  127. Teej on August 30th, 2007 5:22 pm

    I’m ready for dreamtime, Mr. B.

    YES! Best game I’ve played in years.

  128. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 5:25 pm

    The Indian announcers keep claiming Richie must be hurt cause of the way he runs.
    Nope, thats our star 1st baseman fellas. That is the guy chosen by our manager to play 1st base everyday on purpose. And I wish I was joking…

  129. krb on August 30th, 2007 5:26 pm

    Sexson out? Hurt? His hand? Interesting.

  130. msb on August 30th, 2007 5:26 pm

    Sexson just came out of the game…

  131. Teej on August 30th, 2007 5:26 pm

    The Indian announcers keep claiming Richie must be hurt cause of the way he runs.
    Nope, thats our star 1st baseman fellas.

    Nah, he looks worse than his usual lumbering self. He just got pulled. He’s hurt.

  132. trident on August 30th, 2007 5:27 pm

    he actually is hurt. just left the game.

  133. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 5:27 pm

    Guess he is hurt, looked the same to me though.

    If I was Ben Broussard I would quit. Talk about getting a big fuck you from the manager.

  134. brian_sun on August 30th, 2007 5:27 pm

    He’s hurt. Sexson is out of the game.

  135. krb on August 30th, 2007 5:27 pm

    Why would they Vidro to first and put Willie at second? Putting Ben in for Sexson would make more sense.

  136. brian_sun on August 30th, 2007 5:28 pm

    133: the only reason willie is playing is the pitcher is a LH. Otherwise, Ben would be in there.

  137. Glen on August 30th, 2007 5:28 pm

    Laffey is a left-hander.

  138. George_Argyros_Lives on August 30th, 2007 5:28 pm

    Oh my God Sexson is hurt. There goes the season.

    LOL Oh wait. . .

  139. nwtrev on August 30th, 2007 5:30 pm

    This is from the cbsportsline Glog:

    Laffey is just pitching great right now. Mariners are getting the bat on the ball but the Indians defense is also playing great tonight. Mariners seem all but done tonight but there is still a lot of baseball to be player.

    Is that what you are seeing as well, those that can see the game anyway?

    They also wrote this to which I couldn’t agree more:

    …the Mariners can’t seem to get anything going with the bats. This team is in a huge funk right now. They better snap out of it quick before they fall a game out of the AL wild card lead.

  140. krb on August 30th, 2007 5:30 pm

    Maybe he has tendonitis.

  141. JMB on August 30th, 2007 5:30 pm

    Key Lime Pie.

    The BBQ place claims to be Texas-style, but they’re called Rib Ranch (isn’t brisket the big thing in Texas?). Anyway, I had a rib combo platter, with back ribs, spare ribs, and one huge beef rib. Sides were smoky cornbread and baked beans (which was more like shredded pork in sauce with a few beans thrown in for good measure).

    It was good but not awesome. I’m going to try the other place on Sunday… there are two Zagat-rated places in our new home of Marietta GA.

  142. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 5:31 pm

    I realize that Laffey is a lefty. Should we take out Raul too?

    Broussard is the back up 1st baseman he should be in there regardless of pitcher.

  143. lailaihei on August 30th, 2007 5:31 pm

    Vidro at first instead of Broussard?!?!?!

    http://static.flickr.com/6/69250266_8c1f5c979c.jpg?v=0

  144. Glen on August 30th, 2007 5:33 pm

    Everyone on here is always talking about match-ups, well it seems that Mac is playing the match-up with Broussard and people still want to complain.

  145. kenshabby on August 30th, 2007 5:34 pm

    I was about to turn the game on, when my gag reflex kicked in (no joke). Unless the M’s make the playoffs I won’t be watching any more games this year – too much unpleasantness and anxiety; my nervous system can’t handle it. I’ve already cut nicotine and caffeine out of my diet, and now I’m cutting down on baseball.

    This has been both a great year and a miserable year for baseball. The M’s being in it for a change, but often playing lousy. AJ finally gets called up, but too late, and sees little playing time. Felix starts out great, then goes on DL, then looks like crap much of the time. Meanwhile, my two other favorite teams, the Tigers and the Mets, have superb 2/3-seasons then start to lose it. It’s possible that NOT ONE of my three favorite teams will make the playoffs this year – which would truly make it a season to forget.

  146. jephdood on August 30th, 2007 5:34 pm

    How utterly stupid.

    I would like McLaren to follow Richie into the corn field (#65)

  147. JJD on August 30th, 2007 5:35 pm

    McLaren is just being consistent, saving Broussard for later just like he saved JJ in the eighth of the middle game against LAA, going to Rick White instead.

    Johnny Mac is a doofus.

  148. JMB on August 30th, 2007 5:35 pm

    Hey, where’s Corco? I need him to break down this Idaho senator issue.

  149. thefin190 on August 30th, 2007 5:35 pm

    Which website has the most up to date score? It seems like foxsports.com but i don’t know.

  150. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 5:36 pm

    Willie lifetime OPS vs lefties .686
    Broussard lifetime OPS vs Lefties .695

  151. krb on August 30th, 2007 5:36 pm

    AJ! GONE!

  152. msb on August 30th, 2007 5:36 pm

    AJ!!!!!!

  153. IchirosTalkingDog on August 30th, 2007 5:36 pm

    JONES!!

  154. Teej on August 30th, 2007 5:37 pm

    Everyone on here is always talking about match-ups, well it seems that Mac is playing the match-up with Broussard and people still want to complain.

    There is actually more than one opinion expressed here on a given day. Perhaps you’re overgeneralizing?

  155. Glen on August 30th, 2007 5:37 pm

    JONESSSSS!!! How do you like them apples? Ye of little faith!

  156. JMB on August 30th, 2007 5:37 pm

    Wooooooooooooooooo!

    OK, server’s going down now.

  157. John in L.A. on August 30th, 2007 5:37 pm

    #90 — “(I know all about small sample sizes, but I’ve seen nothing–offensively or defensively–from Jones so far to make me think he deserves to be in there over Broussard or Ibanez or Vidro)”

    I know all about gravity, but I’ve seen nothing to explain why things fall when I drop them.

  158. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 5:37 pm

    WOOOOOO!!! Adam Jones HR! USSM server melts even though only 12 people are posting!

  159. SpokaneMsFan on August 30th, 2007 5:37 pm

    Hey something to be happy about, WOO HOO

  160. jephdood on August 30th, 2007 5:37 pm

    Sweet!! McLaren should bench him now.

  161. krb on August 30th, 2007 5:38 pm

    Followed by a Yuni double!

  162. John in L.A. on August 30th, 2007 5:38 pm

    1. Putting Willie in instead of Ben is in no way “playing the matchup.”

    2. AJ! That’s awesome.

  163. Glen on August 30th, 2007 5:38 pm

    YuBet follows it up with a Double!

  164. Gregor on August 30th, 2007 5:38 pm

    141: Marietta GA? Home of Newt Gingrich?

  165. JMB on August 30th, 2007 5:38 pm

    Rallyrallyrally.

  166. Teej on August 30th, 2007 5:38 pm

    I think the server is still up only because a bunch of people are taking a break after the last series.

  167. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 5:39 pm

    I knew my Rally Ramen would do the trick.

  168. msb on August 30th, 2007 5:40 pm

    Egg whites found in the back of the fridge.

    Not a good thing.

    Adam Jones.

    A good thing.

  169. Glen on August 30th, 2007 5:40 pm

    I am sorry I thought I remembered WFB being better against lefties. Well this one is on Mac. Did Broussard piss Mac off somehow?

  170. SpokaneMsFan on August 30th, 2007 5:41 pm

    149 cbssportsline.com appears to be the most up to the minute right now

  171. msb on August 30th, 2007 5:41 pm

    well, thank goodness mac kept Vidro in the game.

  172. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 5:41 pm

    169- You mean besides out performing Sexson and making him look like an idiot?

  173. msb on August 30th, 2007 5:43 pm

    maybe they are keeping him out of the game because they are about to trade him back to the Indians….

  174. krb on August 30th, 2007 5:44 pm

    Maybe they’re afraid Ben will be under too much pressure to play in front of his old team?

  175. trident on August 30th, 2007 5:44 pm

    that was a big ribbie

  176. jephdood on August 30th, 2007 5:44 pm

    Seriously, how can we get Mac off the bench in ’08? Write our congressman?

  177. thefin190 on August 30th, 2007 5:44 pm

    Now its a ballgame again. GJ Guillen.

  178. Karen on August 30th, 2007 5:45 pm

    msb: Shoulda put them in your brownies a few days back…

    The M’s OUGHT to remember this is a kid who’s pitched only, what, 4 MLB games before this? You’d think with the way he’s nearly stymied them, McLaren would take note that the kid ISN’T a VETERAN, he’s a rookie with less MLB experience than Adam Jones….and the Indians are trusting the rook with starting an actual MLB game!!

  179. SpokaneMsFan on August 30th, 2007 5:45 pm

    Dear Johnny Mac,
    Can we please not send Ho-Ram back out there after making this a game.

    Sincerely,
    One who would actually like the team to win by employing the best strategy

  180. JMB on August 30th, 2007 5:46 pm

    Grr… mlb.tv froze.

  181. brian_sun on August 30th, 2007 5:46 pm

    Indians announcers just said that Sexson left with a tight hamstring. Hopefully, that’s a long term thing.

  182. John in L.A. on August 30th, 2007 5:46 pm

    I go out of town for a couple weeks and I come back to see Adam Jones has all of 30 freaking at bats this year? Screw that.

    Kid has 104 major league at bats total. Unreal how much weight those are being given by people in the media or people like Mac.

  183. Teej on August 30th, 2007 5:47 pm

    Ramirez has to be done, right? At 91 pitches?

    Who am I kidding? He’ll come out and load the bases first, then the fireman Rick White will come in and . . . pour gasoline on the fire. The pessimism is heavy today.

  184. SpokaneMsFan on August 30th, 2007 5:47 pm

    FYI Gameday appears to be functioning and current

  185. msb on August 30th, 2007 5:47 pm

    gosh, I love the Veteran Saavy that caused Raul to take pitches and really work the count when it became obvious the rookie pitcher had started to struggle …

  186. thefin190 on August 30th, 2007 5:47 pm

    179 – he’s probably keeping him in to save the bullpen. Hopefully he changes his mind before its too late.

  187. krb on August 30th, 2007 5:48 pm

    Sexson leaves and the M’s start scoring..

  188. msb on August 30th, 2007 5:49 pm

    #178. I have a feeling they’ve been there a long time. Those would have been some sad brownies.

  189. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 5:49 pm

    Who is up in the pen? Indians announcers didn’t give names.

  190. oh poker on August 30th, 2007 5:49 pm

    Nice of sexson to get hurt. Vidro gets to that ball approximately never.

  191. vin on August 30th, 2007 5:50 pm

    Vidro can’t be much worse than Sexson at first (or can he?) I’d be interested to see how this team did with him and Ben at first and then the rotating 4 outfielders/DH. The last good Sexson game got him out from under the “platoon” lets hope AJ’s HR tonight fits with Mac’s small sample size reward system.

  192. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 5:50 pm

    Green and O’Face in the pen. Which is scary because White will be available for lose this game duty in the 8th,

  193. msb on August 30th, 2007 5:53 pm

    I think HoRam’s motto is “2 outs, so what”

  194. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 5:54 pm

    193- Does that make McLaren’s motto “so what”?

  195. brian_sun on August 30th, 2007 5:54 pm

    Green in. 3 runs in 5 2/3 for HoRam in Cleveland. I’ll take it.

  196. mr.smartypants on August 30th, 2007 5:54 pm

    i’m giving Johnny Mac credit for taking Ho out here and not waiting until he loads the bases. that’s one good decision, so he only needs another…35 in this game to break even?

  197. SpokaneMsFan on August 30th, 2007 5:55 pm

    Crap, 192 might be right, with this many outs left and Mac’s usual usage there is no way we get to the 9th without a White appearance.

  198. thefin190 on August 30th, 2007 5:57 pm

    197 – hopefully M’s can maybe build a comfortable lead before Mac brings in White. At the same time, White could be one crappy appearance from being DFA, so who knows. At the same time, Mariners can’t afford to lose this game.

  199. George_Argyros_Lives on August 30th, 2007 5:58 pm

    Yuniesky Bootin’ – Short

  200. JJD on August 30th, 2007 5:58 pm

    Dammit Yuni. What happened there?

  201. Karen on August 30th, 2007 6:00 pm

    I’m sure HoRam would appreciate it if SGreen wouldn’t let the inherited runner score.

  202. John in L.A. on August 30th, 2007 6:00 pm

    200 – Really bad hop, nailed him on the knee and flew up and into left.

  203. thefin190 on August 30th, 2007 6:01 pm

    GJ Green. Further proving your awesomeness.

  204. SpokaneMsFan on August 30th, 2007 6:01 pm

    Whew

  205. Karen on August 30th, 2007 6:01 pm

    No sooner said than done (wow, is that reverse Sexson karma or what?).

  206. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 6:01 pm

    199,200- Took a high hop and bounced off his knee into shallow left. Can’t blame him to much it was smoked and took a bad hop.

  207. msb on August 30th, 2007 6:04 pm

    ok, Beltre owes a run or two here.

    dammit Willie, stop trying to bunt.

  208. Teej on August 30th, 2007 6:04 pm

    I’ve gotta say Victor Martinez is one of the most underrated hitters in baseball.

    OPS+ the past two years and so far this year compared with Joe Mauer:

    Joe Mauer
    2005: 108
    2006: 144
    2007: 116

    Victor Martinez
    2005: 132
    2006: 124
    2007: 135

    Now I realize Martinez’s defense is inferior and washes out some of those numbers (plus Mauer’s had one less year of full playing time), but still, shouldn’t Martinez be mentioned along with the top catchers in the game? The only time I hear his name is in fantasy discussions.

  209. JMB on August 30th, 2007 6:04 pm

    I’d like to see Beltre steal here. Martinez doesn’t throw well.

  210. msb on August 30th, 2007 6:06 pm

    yeah, where’s that aggresive Mariner baserunning?

  211. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 6:06 pm

    OMG I just came back and a miracle has occured!!!!

    1. HoRam isnt down 10-2.
    2. HoRam lasted 3+ innings.
    3. RICHIE SEXSON IS OUT OF THE GAME!!
    4. AJ HIT A SHOT!!!

    Wow… did Mac like hit his head or something??? Maybe he has decided to stop giving games away!

    This is the First game that I can say that I am proud of Mac. He finally realized that a guy hitting 208 isnt gonna help. YAY!

  212. JMB on August 30th, 2007 6:07 pm

    Wow, great at-bat WFB.

  213. msb on August 30th, 2007 6:07 pm

    so, Richie has not only been sucking, he’s been sucking and hurt. And still being run out to 1st base every day.

  214. mr.smartypants on August 30th, 2007 6:07 pm

    niiiiice kenji

  215. Teej on August 30th, 2007 6:08 pm

    He finally realized that a guy hitting 208 isnt gonna help. YAY!

    Actually, Richie got injured and had to come out of the game.

  216. north on August 30th, 2007 6:08 pm

    Laffey is at 75 pitches in the 7th!

    The Mariners been swinging like an old lady with an umbrella versus a handbag snatcher?

  217. JMB on August 30th, 2007 6:08 pm

    Nice, Joh.

  218. pumpkinhead on August 30th, 2007 6:08 pm

    Did Beltre get a bad read or what??

  219. mr.smartypants on August 30th, 2007 6:09 pm

    211 Mac had nothing to do with any of those things. Sexson is hurt and the rest of the things you mentioned are completely out of his control. If anything is going right in this game it is in spite of him, not because of him.

  220. brian_sun on August 30th, 2007 6:09 pm

    No, Beltre wouldn’t be able to score on that double. The LF got to the ball quickly.

  221. Shizane on August 30th, 2007 6:11 pm

    bring a lefty to face Jones? let’s see how this works

  222. mr.smartypants on August 30th, 2007 6:11 pm

    ok AJ show those results-based analysis dummies why you need more playing time.

  223. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 6:11 pm

    HERE we go AJ… lets shove this in Mac’s face for not playing you over the last month.

  224. msb on August 30th, 2007 6:11 pm

    say, I hear Paul Shuey is now available.

  225. brian_sun on August 30th, 2007 6:12 pm

    call for a suicide squeeze here?

  226. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 6:12 pm

    Mac takes notes here! If you have a good left handed reliever (Sherill) you can use him against righties in important situations!

  227. krb on August 30th, 2007 6:12 pm

    Jones! Tie game

  228. bergamot on August 30th, 2007 6:12 pm

    Can Adam Jones get a promotion to Gritty Veteran now?

  229. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 6:12 pm

    bad swing at that

  230. mr.smartypants on August 30th, 2007 6:12 pm

    time for a yunibomb!

  231. brian_sun on August 30th, 2007 6:12 pm

    Nice job, Jonesey!

  232. Shizane on August 30th, 2007 6:12 pm

    that worked pretty well!

  233. JMB on August 30th, 2007 6:13 pm

    AJ!

  234. John in L.A. on August 30th, 2007 6:13 pm

    HELL YES. Whew.

    Sad that I feel so much relief from small sample results.

  235. msb on August 30th, 2007 6:13 pm

    Yuni doesn’t want AJ to show him up

  236. JMB on August 30th, 2007 6:15 pm

    Open the flood gates!

  237. apunetid on August 30th, 2007 6:15 pm

    We have a lead? That’s weird.

  238. msb on August 30th, 2007 6:15 pm

    double-steal!

  239. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 6:15 pm

    That is a lot of speed on the bases, nice to see.

  240. krb on August 30th, 2007 6:15 pm

    So this is what a lead feels like..

  241. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 6:16 pm

    AJ is awesome

    How can the Mariners not start him tomorrow after realizing what he can do?

  242. JJD on August 30th, 2007 6:16 pm

    If Richie has to hit the DL maybe we’ll see Ibanez at 1B and Jones in LF, now that Jones is “hot”.

  243. pumpkinhead on August 30th, 2007 6:16 pm

    Scoregasm!

  244. msb on August 30th, 2007 6:17 pm

    not such a good day for Ichiro in the City of Face-Punching

  245. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 6:17 pm

    As much as you guys disagree… I think this lineup is the best one.

    Vidro at 1B is not that bad. He is a quality hitter (over Sexson) and I like Bloom over Lopez.

    This is the “perfect” lineup, and I think the Ms should keep it.

  246. Teej on August 30th, 2007 6:18 pm

    How can the Mariners not start him tomorrow after realizing what he can do?

    They’ll say it’s a small sample size.

  247. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 6:19 pm

    Ok Guys.. we have a lead.

    Time for Rick White to start warming up.

  248. eddieranch on August 30th, 2007 6:19 pm

    245,
    not sure bloom is such a big offensive improvement over lopez

  249. lailaihei on August 30th, 2007 6:19 pm

    @245
    You really think we need Ibanez defense every night? I’d rather see him DH and Guillen in the OF.
    And also, Ibanez shouldn’t hit vs lefties…

  250. thewyrm on August 30th, 2007 6:20 pm

    Better Raul at DH and Jones in left though. Other than that, I can live with this lineup.

  251. rrose on August 30th, 2007 6:21 pm

    AJ undoubtedly owes his “resurgence” to his time on the bench, where he could watch “proven veterans” (the ones who have been through the wars), and see how they “do things”.

  252. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 6:21 pm

    Rick White is getting ready in the pen to work the 8th now in a one run game.

  253. mr.smartypants on August 30th, 2007 6:22 pm

    hmm, why take out Green already?

  254. brian_sun on August 30th, 2007 6:22 pm

    Looks like JJ will have a 2 innings save the way Mac is burning the pen. We all know how Billy Wagner did today going for that 2 innings save.

  255. Draeger on August 30th, 2007 6:22 pm

    #247 : I had the same thoughts exactly..

    I think the only thing saving us from that fate is that they don’t want to overuse Mr White!

  256. Karen on August 30th, 2007 6:22 pm

    Quit complaining. George Sherrill is finally getting some mound time.

  257. Glen on August 30th, 2007 6:23 pm

    Here goes Mac burning through our pitchers again like it’s going out of style.

  258. thewyrm on August 30th, 2007 6:24 pm

    Only had the game on for the last few innings, but I gotta say so far I actually really enjoy the Cleveland broadcast.

  259. rsrobinson on August 30th, 2007 6:24 pm

    What!? No Rick White yet to lock this game down?

    Free Rick White!

  260. Karen on August 30th, 2007 6:25 pm

    George Sherrill: not enough mound time to keep sharp.

  261. thewyrm on August 30th, 2007 6:25 pm

    Anyone else’s MLBtv suddenly cutout?

  262. WardP on August 30th, 2007 6:25 pm

    Do you think looking at GS’s goatee makes white realize exactly how erroneous the DayGlo approach is?

  263. Karen on August 30th, 2007 6:26 pm

    That’s a good way to get your warmup pitches. Just hope Vidro is watching for all those “pickoff attempts”…

  264. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 6:26 pm

    261- Yes

  265. Teej on August 30th, 2007 6:27 pm

    Yeah, mine went out, too.

  266. IdahoInvader on August 30th, 2007 6:27 pm

    I think Mac has (for friggin’ ONCE) handled the bullpen well today. He did some moves BEFORE disaster struck.

    I like that for a change.

  267. trident on August 30th, 2007 6:28 pm

    mlb.tv still has the audio at least

  268. JMB on August 30th, 2007 6:29 pm

    Yup, no .tv here.

  269. thewyrm on August 30th, 2007 6:29 pm

    MLB tv. . . sooooooooooooooooooooo not worth the money.

  270. WardP on August 30th, 2007 6:30 pm

    Perhaps Bavasi pulled the plug so Mac could get White up without the internets melting..

  271. krb on August 30th, 2007 6:31 pm

    Morrow warming up.

  272. mr.smartypants on August 30th, 2007 6:32 pm

    come on georgie…

  273. Karen on August 30th, 2007 6:33 pm

    Even that “free MLB.tv” day (was it last Saturday or Sunday?) was a big bust, as far as I’m concerned. Slow, slow, slow, even at their highest 700K connection (and I have a 1.5Mb download speed with my DSL).

  274. Karen on August 30th, 2007 6:34 pm

    A groundout here would be nice.

  275. WardP on August 30th, 2007 6:35 pm

    but nooooooo

  276. IdahoInvader on August 30th, 2007 6:36 pm

    Way to screw us George.

    And to think, I’ve advocated him facing more right handers this year.

    Ichiro and Vidro doing nothing w/ RISP last inning, may come back to haunt us.

  277. Glen on August 30th, 2007 6:36 pm

    Sherril’s last pitch couldn’t be more down the middle. (according to GameDay)

  278. WardP on August 30th, 2007 6:36 pm

    *sigh* arsonists on parade..

  279. IdahoInvader on August 30th, 2007 6:37 pm

    I think Morrow will get it done. He’s like Green in that he seems to pitch much worse with HIS men on base, rather than coming in w/ someone else’s baserunners.

  280. pumpkinhead on August 30th, 2007 6:38 pm

    Leads are over-rated anyways.

  281. mr.smartypants on August 30th, 2007 6:38 pm

    yeah but according to gameday he was getting squeezed pretty bad on the others so it’s hard to say

  282. Karen on August 30th, 2007 6:39 pm

    Also according to GameDay, Sherrill’s 3rd ball call looks like it caught a LOT of the black at the bottom of the box.

  283. krb on August 30th, 2007 6:39 pm

    Damnit, damnit, damnit.

  284. IdahoInvader on August 30th, 2007 6:39 pm

    Never mind…

    game over

  285. IchirosTalkingDog on August 30th, 2007 6:39 pm

    Outfield Defense is over-rated… not.

  286. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 6:39 pm

    what happened to our top notch bullpen?

  287. bergamot on August 30th, 2007 6:40 pm

    It’s interesting watching a collapsing team to discover the large variety of ways to lose games.

  288. WardP on August 30th, 2007 6:40 pm

    nuts..

  289. krb on August 30th, 2007 6:41 pm

    Bleeding stopped.. a little late.

  290. Karen on August 30th, 2007 6:41 pm

    See, it’s a conspiracy! MLB and the sports networks and Fox all want the Yankees to get to the playoffs.

    So the word is out, gentle and very subtle hints that the head-to-head games with the Red Sox, the Yanks should win. The M’s get squeezed in every game here on out until they’re out of it. Detroit may be out of it just on the basis of missing Sheffield.

    (just kidding, sort of)

  291. JMB on August 30th, 2007 6:42 pm

    I still can’t get MLB.tv. Anyone else watching on a Mac? I’m getting “application not responding” from QuickTime.

  292. WardP on August 30th, 2007 6:43 pm

    291: great theory.. just not sure all of those involved are competent enough to pull it off.. other than that, I’m in..

    (also sort of kidding)

  293. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 6:44 pm

    Mac did another poor job of using his bullpen. Using Green his 2nd or 3rd best reliever for 2 outs in the 6th and 7th.

  294. kenshabby on August 30th, 2007 6:44 pm

    Wow, the M’s really don’t want to win another game this year, do they.

  295. JG on August 30th, 2007 6:44 pm

    Anyone with .tv, was that Garko double catchable by a non-Raul/Manny left fielder?

  296. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 6:45 pm

    Rick White woulda shut them down..

  297. WardP on August 30th, 2007 6:47 pm

    297: if by “them” you mean “the hearts and souls of Mariners fans everywhere,” then I’m with you..

  298. Mat on August 30th, 2007 6:48 pm

    The good news is that Joe Borowski is very “gettable.”

  299. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 6:48 pm

    lol.

    My heart and soul was shut down after our King got pounded yesterday, virtually ending any hopes of winning the division.

  300. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 6:49 pm

    come on Beltre…

  301. WardP on August 30th, 2007 6:49 pm

    300: I agree. Major zombiefication in Mariner Nation this week..

  302. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 6:50 pm

    Something is wrong with Gameday or the announcers. Every time they say ball/strike outsides Gameday shows it inside.

  303. kenshabby on August 30th, 2007 6:50 pm

    297 – Responding to yourself?

  304. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 6:50 pm

    The sad part is that HoRam wasnt terrible, and we are still going to lose. ;o

    Usually we score runs in his starts, but he lets up more. Today, it is the other way around.

    Kind of ironic in a twisted way.

  305. IdahoInvader on August 30th, 2007 6:52 pm

    I wonder if Raul should’ve had that ball. The Tribe announcers said, “off the webbing of his glove”

  306. WardP on August 30th, 2007 6:54 pm

    Struck out the side..

  307. JMB on August 30th, 2007 6:54 pm

    Back, but ch.op.py.

  308. eddieranch on August 30th, 2007 6:55 pm

    Hate to join the bandwagon against the Mariners management but have you ever seen a team leading the WC this late get its lineup tinkered this much? Makes you think the FO and managers were sleepwalking through the first 5 months and not prepared for a pennant race at all.

  309. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 6:55 pm

    3-4-5 hitters just struckout.

  310. krb on August 30th, 2007 6:55 pm

    305- M’s announcers said that too

  311. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 6:56 pm

    Geez… here is where Mac ends any hope of a comeback by bringing in White.

  312. WardP on August 30th, 2007 6:57 pm

    As was mentioned earlier, we’ve gone from finding innovative ways to win to finding innovative ways to lose. Progress (not)..

  313. eddieranch on August 30th, 2007 6:58 pm

    like how Niehaus calls Lofton the kid from Arizona St.

  314. naviomelo on August 30th, 2007 7:00 pm

    There was nothing wrong with bringing in Green in the 6th. The problem was that he took him out of there for no reason in the 7th.

  315. WardP on August 30th, 2007 7:00 pm

    Insurance run in waiting.. White time?

  316. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 7:01 pm

    314- Agreed.

  317. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 7:02 pm

    Morrow is not sharp tonight. Usually, he hits 98-99. His is in the mid 80′s tonight with a high of 91. Something is wrong.

  318. WardP on August 30th, 2007 7:02 pm

    And here comes Cabrera.. karmic retribution is at hand..

  319. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 7:02 pm

    JJ PUTZ.. now!

  320. WardP on August 30th, 2007 7:03 pm

    320: He doesn’t seem to get into games in late August..

  321. kenshabby on August 30th, 2007 7:03 pm

    313 – That’s twice incorrect. Lofton went to Arizona, and he’s not quite a kid anymore.

  322. Mat on August 30th, 2007 7:04 pm

    JJ PUTZ.. now!

    No way, he’s been totally overworked lately.

  323. krb on August 30th, 2007 7:05 pm

    Any chance Broussard hits for Willie to lead off the inning?

  324. HamNasty on August 30th, 2007 7:06 pm

    323- Should with Borowski on the mound.

  325. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 7:06 pm

    Yeah… with all the wins in the last 5 games, JJ has been overused.

  326. Glen on August 30th, 2007 7:07 pm

    Mac must REALLY hate Broussard

  327. kenshabby on August 30th, 2007 7:07 pm

    Borowski’s BAA is .297. He’s about the most hittable “closer” in baseball.

  328. WardP on August 30th, 2007 7:07 pm

    this just in: BB for WFB.. Johnny Mac purchases a clue..

  329. Glen on August 30th, 2007 7:07 pm

    Mac must REALLY hate Broussard…oh wait nevermind

  330. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 7:07 pm

    Do you guys think Mac will pinch hit for Jones?

    If he does, I will flip.

  331. krb on August 30th, 2007 7:09 pm

    Lead-off walk. Nice.

    330- Who would hit for him? Ben hit (walked) for Willie.

  332. Teej on August 30th, 2007 7:09 pm

    There’s really no one to pinch run, huh? Weak.

  333. Mat on August 30th, 2007 7:10 pm

    There goes Broussard clogging the bases with one of those silly walks.

  334. mln on August 30th, 2007 7:10 pm

    It would be great if Kenji hits a home run here.

  335. Glen on August 30th, 2007 7:10 pm

    The only one left on the bench is Jose Lopez

  336. WardP on August 30th, 2007 7:10 pm

    28% of lead-off walks come around to score..

  337. Mat on August 30th, 2007 7:11 pm

    There’s really no one to pinch run, huh? Weak.

    There’s not much space left on the roster after you fill it with 18-19 pitchers.

  338. saltydawg05 on August 30th, 2007 7:11 pm

    haha true ken. his era is 5.53. I don’t care whether it is a repeatable stat of not. 5.53=horrible

  339. krb on August 30th, 2007 7:11 pm

    Two on, no outs. Do something guys.

  340. JMB on August 30th, 2007 7:12 pm

    Runner? Who?

  341. JMB on August 30th, 2007 7:17 pm

    Don’t swing at that Yuni.

  342. JMB on August 30th, 2007 7:19 pm

    That’ll work. (Even if the site doesn’t.)

  343. msb on August 30th, 2007 7:20 pm

    ok, time for the Professional Hitter to come through.

  344. zzyzx on August 30th, 2007 7:21 pm

    This is reminding me of the 97 pen…

  345. john on August 30th, 2007 7:24 pm

    Great Job Mac! Make the hero of the game so far bunt with runners on 1st and 2nd…

    Grrrrrrrrrrrr…

  346. john on August 30th, 2007 7:24 pm

    Great Job Mac! Make the hero of the game so far bunt with runners on 1st and 2nd…

    Grrrrrrrrrrrr…

  347. msb on August 30th, 2007 7:26 pm

    sigh. 30+ pitches thrown, a couple of baserunners on, and one whole run to come out of it.

  348. smb on August 30th, 2007 7:26 pm

    At least we’re showing some heart tonight. Where was that against Anaheim??

  349. lailaihei on August 30th, 2007 7:26 pm

    Big E pitching.
    Lets see how he does.
    Looks like he’s chosen his spots well so far against Hafner.

  350. Ichy on August 30th, 2007 7:27 pm

    [deleted, plagarism]

  351. Mike Honcho on August 30th, 2007 7:27 pm

    My thoughts exactly, john…

  352. Mat on August 30th, 2007 7:27 pm

    sigh. 30+ pitches thrown, a couple of baserunners on, and one whole run to come out of it.

    That was certainly an important run, though.

  353. mr.smartypants on August 30th, 2007 7:28 pm

    if this goes to the 10th we’d better score, or else there’s a good chance of a Rick White sighting

  354. jlc on August 30th, 2007 7:31 pm

    Well, that wasn’t part of the plan.

  355. Mike Honcho on August 30th, 2007 7:31 pm

    Aaaaaaaand still! No JJ Putz.

  356. zzyzx on August 30th, 2007 7:31 pm

    Speaking of the 97 pen…

  357. Mike G. on August 30th, 2007 7:37 pm

    McLaren really doesn’t want to win this game, does he?

  358. Shizane on August 30th, 2007 7:40 pm

    i swear to god, if white blows this game, he owes you guys a new server

  359. marinermiles on August 30th, 2007 7:45 pm

    *Puke*

    McLaren does this AGAIN. I just can’t f**kin believe this.

  360. terry on August 30th, 2007 7:46 pm

    I think it’s safe to say that USSMers have much bigger axes to grind then Jones’ playing time….

  361. JG on August 30th, 2007 7:53 pm

    Rick White must be a war veteran cause I just got shell shock.
    (rim shot)

  362. msb on August 30th, 2007 7:57 pm

    ok. I checked in with my dad, and then came back to find that apparently not only did JJ not come in, but Richard F. White was back once more.

    And walked in the winning run.

    so, did JJ’s arm fall off, and they forgot to tell us?

  363. vin on August 30th, 2007 7:58 pm

    I don’t remember which game it was but JJ must have missed at least three tags. That’s the only thing that could explain this.

  364. DKCecil on August 30th, 2007 8:04 pm

    Welp. That’s that.

  365. msb on August 30th, 2007 8:07 pm

    according to Mac, White was the only available pitcher. Ryan R-S was held out to be the long man if they went to extra innings and they ‘had to have JJ available to wrap it up if they tok the lead’.

  366. nickpdx on August 30th, 2007 8:07 pm

    What. The. Fuck.

  367. msb on August 30th, 2007 8:09 pm

    also according to Mac, Sexson has been been battling the hamstring for a while, but with the way it was hurt tonight, and with turf coming up, he thinks Richie will be sitting for a few days, even if ‘Richie is trying to be a warrior’– because you know, ‘it’s hurting his hitting a little bit’

  368. Suckerjones on August 30th, 2007 8:10 pm

    Oy! For F#$%s Sake! White? Why? Do they hate us? Has McLaren decided to quit? Seriously, it took me about two seconds to think, “bottom of the ninth, on the road, tie ball game . . . maybe I should bring in my best reliever.” Then here comes Mr. White (who from now on will be known as Mr. Pink). Somebody tell me JJ is hurt. Somebody make sense of this apparent stupidity. Please? Somebody offer me a beer. Mmmm. Beer. Good night moon.

  369. rcc on August 30th, 2007 8:10 pm

    Vidro on second, White on the mound, Sexson on first….how bad can it get….the M’s are toast, and you can point the finger at McLaren. By the time the M’s return next month after this road trip they will be hopelessly out of the wild card race.

  370. Rydogg2122 on August 30th, 2007 8:11 pm

    I am moving on to football. The baseball season is officially over for me thanks. Good luck to the Angels and Yankees in the playoffs.

  371. msb on August 30th, 2007 8:11 pm

    Norm thinks Mac is using JJ the way he is because that was the way Lou kied to do it, and he’s been Lou’s bullpen & bench coach for so long … but he thinks JJ may need to get the rust off after sitting for a week

  372. WardP on August 30th, 2007 8:12 pm

    Unbefuckinglievable. Mac’s plan is apparently to have Gas Can White torch every game remaining this year.

    Why would you let a reject from the Astros anywhere near an AL pennant race?

    Un
    Be
    Fucking
    Lievable.

    The days just get darker. Any poster on this thread (except maybe me) could run the team better.

  373. jefffrane on August 30th, 2007 8:15 pm

    It entirely makes sense to play this game the way the Skipper did. I mean, close game, ninth inning, best thing to do is get someone who pitched so badly that the Astros let him go and put him in. Eh, so he walks in the winning run, big deal. We’ll get the run back in the 10th.

    What? No 10th inning? When did they change *that* rule?

  374. hub on August 30th, 2007 8:18 pm

    Very poor baseball move…by a manager who is looking very poor himself.

  375. 3cardmonty on August 30th, 2007 8:19 pm

    Bobby Ayala, that ridiculous platinum blond beard isn’t fooling anyone anymore.

  376. dcmarinerfan on August 30th, 2007 8:19 pm

    Tonight was absolutely heartbreaking to watch on TV. This Mariner team is too good to have this happen again and again. HoRam put together a decent start and to lose this game this way is incomprehensible.

    There’s no way that anyone can convince me that we don’t have a minor leaguer who’s a better pitcher right now for us out of the bullpen than Rick White. No way!

    Toronto needs to be at least 2/3 and it would be great to sweep heading into a huge series next week.

    This is our season right here, and if Mac continues to put us in positions to lose and if the bullpen doesn’t get things done, it’s going to be all for naught.

  377. WardP on August 30th, 2007 8:22 pm

    The callup we need from Tacoma is Daren Brown..

  378. kenshabby on August 30th, 2007 8:24 pm

    I just need to yell it from the rooftops: RICK MOTHERFUCKING WHITE!!!!!

    Ah, much better. Someone else can do the same with McLaren.

  379. Draeger on August 30th, 2007 8:27 pm

    Look at the bright side.. all the use White’s gotten lately, they’re likely to NOT use him tomorrow, as he needs to rest his veteran arm so he’s available in tight games for the future!

  380. SMJ on August 30th, 2007 8:34 pm

    Is this “veteran arm in the bullpen” experiment going to end anytime soon? It’s a miserable failure, and watching all of these games get thrown away or put out of reach is seriously disgusting.

    At this pace, JJ will be starting his trot out to the mound in 2008.

  381. John in L.A. on August 30th, 2007 8:34 pm

    “according to Mac, White was the only available pitcher. Ryan R-S was held out to be the long man if they went to extra innings and they ‘had to have JJ available to wrap it up if they tok the lead’.”

    He has a completely different definition of “only available pitcher than I do.

    Friggin’ morons. At least it’s gotten so F’ing ridiculous that I’m laughing instead of crying.

    I mean, could you have scripted a dumber ending to this game?

  382. kenshabby on August 30th, 2007 8:37 pm

    Maybe it’s time to start instigating conspiracy theories. Like, Steinbrenner paying off Bavasi & pals to make such dreadful decisions that the Yanks have an easy time capturing the wild card. Or, Mac being sick with mad cow disease.

  383. hub on August 30th, 2007 8:44 pm

    I miss Maury Wills, Del Crandall, and Bill Plummer. Really.

  384. scott19 on August 30th, 2007 9:05 pm

    Having taken a walk to cool off while the server was cooling off, I’m afraid I must still state the obvious: namely, if Mac has not yet been scheduled to an appointment at Western State Hospital for a complete psychiatric evaluation, then the FO must make it a priority.

  385. Lauren, token chick on August 30th, 2007 9:08 pm

    Just arrived home to news of another loss. I haven’t read all the comments yet but…

    Rick White proved himself unreliable again! Adam Jones went 2 for 3 with a homer! Richie Sexson strained his hamstring, possibly making himself unusable for at least a few games! Maybe these things will make for a change. Soon. Please.

  386. scott19 on August 30th, 2007 9:15 pm

    370: I would pretty much agree — though I will wish good luck to whichever NL team plays the Yanks or Angies in the WS to beat the living crap out of EITHER of them!

  387. Rydogg2122 on August 30th, 2007 10:37 pm

    386 – Well yeah, I wasn’t rooting for the Yankees to go anywhere in the playoffs, I never do. Just stating the obvious. The only way for things to get better is for things to get worse. And with the upcoming “nail in the coffin” series in New York and Detroit. Hopefully the positive thing that comes out this is a FO house cleaning. That is really where the problem lies. Poor management, poor player utilization. They continue to go with mediocre relievers in pressure situations (Reitsma, Parrish, now White). They continue to go with a guy batting .207 when they have a better solution collecting dust on the bench. I mean this is almost September, I really don’t think he is going to miraculously turn things around. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Mariners say that Sexson has been playing thru his hamstring injury all season. Just to downplay his poor hitting.

  388. jephdood on August 30th, 2007 11:00 pm

    We HAVE the players to win this. But how they’re used (or NOT used) is the complete cluster f*ck here. John McLaren has turned out to be a HORRIBLE manager. And the persistant insertion of crap ‘veteran’ arms into the bullpen has thrown that once-great group WAY out of whack. If the inept decision-making continues on this path, any glimmer of playoff hopes are gone.

  389. gwangung on August 31st, 2007 1:07 am

    according to Mac, White was the only available pitcher. Ryan R-S was held out to be the long man if they went to extra innings and they ‘had to have JJ available to wrap it up if they tok the lead’.

    And if they USE Ryan Rowland-Smith to get to extra innings, there’s no rule that he couldn’t CONTINUED to be used, hm? As a long man?

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