Go Tribe

DMZ · October 18, 2007 at 5:04 pm · Filed Under General baseball 

I’m excited for this. And check out that Cabrera guy. He sure came out of nowhere, huh? Beckett v Sabathia. I hope my power stays on tonight.

Oh, and Joe Torre’s available for your managerial needs as of today.


90 Responses to “Go Tribe”

  1. scraps on October 19th, 2007 10:11 am

    And the Indians were the first American League team to break the color line.

  2. E3 on October 19th, 2007 10:13 am

    47: I was at game 5, and the memory of Mutombo on his back clutching the ball is seared forever onto my grey matter. As bad as the 2001 loss to the Yankees was, or any M’s collapse, that was my worst memory as a sports fan. Walking out of Seattle coliseum, downtown was like a tomb. The whole city was shell-shocked.
    -First loss by a 1-seed in history
    -Sonics led the game in OT with 2 minutes left

  3. scraps on October 19th, 2007 10:22 am

    I was listening to the end with a dozen strangers on a transistor radio. When it ended, we all numbly wandered away from each other, hardly saying anything. It was the worst I’ve ever felt as a sports fan, too.

  4. NBarnes on October 19th, 2007 1:07 pm

    49: You don’t have to remind me. My brother is named Christopher instead of Patrick because my great-grandmother refused to give her blessing to naming a great-grandchild of hers with an Irish name. Racism goes way back in Boston, and I assure you that I am appropriately ashamed.

    However, in this moment we call ‘now’, the Red Sox are a comfortably integrated team and the Indians still have the most racist logo/mascot in major league sports.

  5. jlc on October 19th, 2007 1:14 pm

    49-Yeah, for a while, when I was old enough to understand what it meant, I shunned the Sox because of their racist past, but I came back to them. It’s hard to give up on childhood allegiances. I also stopped paying attention to the Dodgers when the evil master of the universe (Rupert Murdoch) owned them. It’s so complicated to follow sports.

  6. jlc on October 19th, 2007 1:20 pm

    Fox “helpfully” told us that Asdrubal was the name of the brother of Hannibal. Does Cabrera have a relative who’s a Roman scholar, or is there just a big following of Carthaginian generals in Venezuela?

  7. msb on October 19th, 2007 2:01 pm

    the Royals by-passed the chance to go with Torre at the helm, to go with Trey Hillman of the Nippon Ham Fighters instead.

  8. JMHawkins on October 19th, 2007 2:15 pm

    Fox “helpfully” told us that Asdrubal was the name of the brother of Hannibal. Does Cabrera have a relative who’s a Roman scholar, or is there just a big following of Carthaginian generals in Venezuela?

    Hasdrubal the Fair was the son-in-law of Hamilcar Barca, who conquered the Iberian penninsula for Carthage after the First Punic War, and for whom Barcelona is named. When Hamilcar died, Hasdrubal took command of the Carthaginian army in Hispainia, and founded the provincial capital of Cartagena. Seven years after assuming command, Hasdrubal was assasinated by a deranged Celt. His brother-in-law Hannibal, Hamilcar’s eldest natural son, then took command of the army and proceeded to invade Rome, humbling the Roman Legions largely through the use of newly developed statistical methods for evaluating battle tactics.

    That last part may not be entirely true.

    At any rate, when Hannibal marched on Rome, he left his younger brother, Hasdrubal Barca, in command of Iberia. There, Hasdrubal fought against the Romans under Scipio. Hasdrubal was eventually defeated, and his severed head was thrown into Hannibal’s camp to demoralize the Carthaginians.

    Hasdrubal Gisco was another Carthaginian general. This Hasdrubal was unrelated to Barca family, but did fight alongside Mago Barca (youngest brother of Hannibal and Hasdrubal) during the Second Punic War. Eventually defeated by Scipio, he escaped and returned to Carthage, where he committed suicide to avoid a lynch mob of angry Carthaginians.

    So, not sure which one Asdrubal might be named after. Perhaps the Cabrera family came to Venezuela from Cartagena? At any rate, Asdrubal should probably keep his distance from any Boston fans wearing a Larry Bird jersey, as well as any Roman generals or Tunisian lynch mobs.

  9. scraps on October 19th, 2007 2:18 pm

    JMHawkins, please tell me that you cobbled that together from The Decline and Fall of Practically Everybody. It sounds cheerfully familiar.

  10. D Truth on October 19th, 2007 2:27 pm

    Ok, so the Mariners don’t have Asdrubal.

    According to Steve Phillips on ESPN yesterday, the Mariners could become “major players” if A-Rod decides to opt out of his contract.

    Phillips said the Yankees would not bother to re-sign A-Rod if he opts out. Other A-Rod suitors mentioned by Phillips include the Angels, Dodgers, Cubs and the Rangers.

    And why would the Rangers want to bite the bullett again Phillips? Because they are already ahead of the competition by still having to pay a chunk of A-Rod’s current salary to the Yankees.

    So why not re-sign him Texas? He wants to play for a “winner” right?

  11. Evan on October 19th, 2007 2:32 pm

    A-Rod’s going to Anaheim. I don’t see how he’d end up anywhere else.

  12. D Truth on October 19th, 2007 2:54 pm

    A-Rod and Vlad. Yikes!

    I do not want A-Rod back in Seattle. A-Rod back in Texas, though? That would be hilarious!

  13. scraps on October 19th, 2007 3:06 pm

    Must… not… make… A-Rod… comment… in… non… A-Rod… thread…….

  14. jlc on October 19th, 2007 3:07 pm

    58 and 59 – Thanks for another reason I love this site.

  15. natebracy on October 19th, 2007 3:23 pm

    60 – Are you saying the Rangers still pay the Yankees if A-Rod opts out?

  16. Jeff Nye on October 19th, 2007 3:24 pm

    Must… not… make… A-Rod… comment… in… non… A-Rod… thread…….


  17. Kunkoh on October 19th, 2007 5:14 pm

    I can’t root for the B’sox. I look at them as the NYY Campus North East. Rooting for them because you hate the NYY is like rooting for the Bloods (red) because you hate the Crypts. Think about why you hate the NYY, is it because of the publicity, the ridiculous amounts they spend on players, the way they buy players from other teams, and try to win a championship? They’ve had the 2nd highest pay roll 2001, 2002, 2004-2007. They are like the NYY’s little brother from the exact same family that everyone loves just because they hate the older brother.

    Some how the media and everyone makes them out to be the pity me good guys, and they are actually annoying me more than the NYY do the past few years with all their bandwagon fans and “pony up” stupidity. “Look at us, we’re pulling for the underdog!” moral superiority complex. If you’re one of the top 5 paid teams, you aren’t the under dogs. At least the NYY are up front and honest about what they are doing, and what they are gonna do (all your stars are belong to us).

    The only bad thing about when the B’sox plays the NYY is that someone has to win.

    That’s why I’m pulling for the Indians and their $61M Chief Wahoo vs Boston’s $143M Ferrari Red-sox.

    Go Tribe!

  18. DMZ on October 19th, 2007 5:16 pm


  19. smb on October 19th, 2007 5:29 pm

    Crypts? It’s Crips, yo! That puts the awful in ROFL. Thanks for the chuckle though…now go outside and practice your Cripwalk before you lose all your street cred.

    Seriously, I think the natives have bigger problems than racist caricatures on baseball hats. But with that said, I would not only like to see Wahoo gone, I would like Tulalip and Muckleshoot casinos to lay odds on how much longer the grossly offensive logo will survive.

    This is especially disgraceful…
    Man, the irony…these guys are taking shots at LeBron because he insulted them by wearing a Yankees hat. Desert, meet grain of sand! Fucking idiots.

    In academia, even the words ‘tribe’ or ‘tribal’ are almost verboten. Maybe that’s overkill, but I still say Wahoo is a tired relic, not a proud tradition.

    I’m rooting for the team and the organizational philosophy, not the logo or the city. Go Tribe.

  20. joser on October 19th, 2007 6:32 pm

    the Royals by-passed the chance to go with Torre at the helm, to go with Trey Hillman of the Nippon Ham Fighters instead.

    TBS has a contract to broadcast 26 regular-season Sunday games starting next year, plus their chunk of the postseason. Prepare yourself for the “Caray and Torre” show.

  21. joser on October 19th, 2007 6:38 pm

    Asdrubal was named for…. his father. He said “We live in a pretty big city in Venezuela, and there are two people there named ‘Asdrubal'”

    Of course, that begs the question (really, for once) for whom was his father named? I’m betting Hannibal’s brother. (Wait, are the Romans the Crips and the Carthaginians the Bloods in this analogy, or the other way around? I’m so confused).

  22. James T on October 19th, 2007 9:38 pm

    #67. I see comments criticizing the Sox for their payroll like yours fairly frequently. They had the 2nd highest payroll.
    How dare they!
    Well, gee, what should a team do that has a $200 million rival in its division? I think four years back a Forbes calculation put the Red Sox and Mariners total revenues as almost identical. Is your beef really with the Red Sox for spending money or the Mariners for not spending money?
    Either way, imagine if the Angels spent $200 million on their payroll instead of just over half that. What would you want the Mariners to do? Not increase their budget at all to try and compete with them? Or would you like them to spend right up to the luxury tax limit like the Sox do? Would you really want your team to unilaterally disarm? Somehow I doubt it. It’s cheap self satisfaction to decry the payroll of the Red Sox when your team’s competition is an organization with a payroll a little over half as much as the Red Sox’s chief competition.

    And the dumb slogan 4 years ago was “cowboy up”.

  23. JMHawkins on October 20th, 2007 12:17 am

    JMHawkins, please tell me that you cobbled that together from The Decline and Fall of Practically Everybody.

    I never read that book. From the title, I figured it was a recap of the M’s 2004 season, and I just didn’t have the heart to go through that again.

  24. John in L.A. on October 20th, 2007 12:42 am

    72 – Why would anyone else care what your payroll is relative to the Yankees? Everyone else cares about what your payroll is relative to their own team’s, not to the Yankees.

    No one is saying they like the Yankees are they? Is it so hard to understand that people put you both in the same category?

    And no one said they were cheating, they said it was a reason they didn’t like them. So not sure where the “how dare they” is coming from. Doesn’t sound much like anything anyone is saying.

    And as far as I’m concerned Boston can take the moral high ground or they can play the Yankee’s own game… but not both. If you want to root for a team that spends like that, cool. Just don’t act offended when people point out that the difference between you and the Yankees is minute.

  25. John in L.A. on October 20th, 2007 12:52 am

    43 – “Alas, we have ole’ “Neon” to thank for this WONDERFUL contribution to the game of baseball (which, unfortunately, has outlived his overblown career).”

    I can’t decide if you meant that his baseball career, specifically, was overblown or his career in general was overblown.

    Because his baseball career hardly seems blown at all. At least I never hear anyone talking about it. I always got the feeling people were skeptical or relatively indifferent.

    And if you were talking more broadly and including football… I think it would be hard to overblow that. He was unbelievable. Would probably start on the all-ever team.

  26. James T on October 20th, 2007 10:52 am

    #74. $60 million is “minute”? Really? Wow. Isn’t $60 million larger than the difference in payrolls between the Mariners and A’s? Do you think A’s fans should feel there’s only a “minute” difference between their payroll and the Mariners’? I bet they don’t.

  27. James T on October 20th, 2007 10:54 am

    Oh, and since the difference in total payrolls between the Red Sox and Mariners is much less than $60 million, it’s less than “minute” and not even worth considering, right?

  28. John in L.A. on October 20th, 2007 11:22 am

    76 – I didn’t say the financial difference between the Yankees and the Red Sox was minute. I said the difference between the two teams was minute.

    And their fans. You’ve become like peas in a pod. A fact you are confirming with every post.

  29. James T on October 20th, 2007 12:14 pm

    You said the differences were “minute” right after saying that “if you want to root for a team that spends like that, cool. Just don’t act offended when people point out that the difference between you and the Yankees is minute.”

    You didn’t bother to point out all the other differences, if any in your opinion. You highlighted the spending issue then said that the differences are minute.

    Having your words sort of on record is a problem when you try to change your story, a fact which you confirm with every post.

  30. scott19 on October 20th, 2007 12:49 pm

    75: John – I was referring more to the baseball side of his career. You’re right…he was phenomenal in football.

  31. John in L.A. on October 20th, 2007 1:07 pm

    80 – scott19 – gotcha. I wish it weren’t true, but it could be worse, I guess. He’s more of a clown than an ass, I think.

    79 – James – apologies if I was unclear, but I was ending on a general note. If I was talking about the difference in payroll, I would have said “yours and their” not “you and them”. Thus my original point… like it or not, people put you and the Yankees in the same category.

    F0r all intents and purposes you are now team 1 and team 1a in the minds of everyone else.

    And every post you make sounds more and more like the Yankees forum on mlb.com. Change the team names and I couldn’t pick you out of a line-up.

  32. DMZ on October 20th, 2007 1:12 pm

    Toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooone check. Come on.

  33. John in L.A. on October 20th, 2007 2:03 pm

    Just to be clear my “more of a clown than an ass” was talking about Dejon Sanders. That said… got it.

  34. John in L.A. on October 20th, 2007 2:04 pm

    Deion Sanders, of course. Dejon Sanders never did me wrong.

  35. DMZ on October 20th, 2007 2:20 pm

    I thought maybe you were making a mustard joke.

  36. scott19 on October 20th, 2007 2:34 pm

    Come to think of it, why didn’t Neon Deion ever market his own brand of mustard? Think of all the dogs and brats (wursts, that is – not kids!) that are sold at sporting events…he could’ve picked even more coin with such a marketing scheme! 🙂

  37. James T on October 20th, 2007 5:51 pm

    I apologize for letting things get too heated. I don’t care if casual fans lump the Red Sox in with the yankees. It annoys me when smart fans don’t seem to acknowlege the box that the Red Sox are in, sharing a division with a team that’s spending $200 million *plus* luxury tax penalties. Yes, that team might get a lot of decisions wrong but they can throw away a lot of those. Again, I apologize.

  38. jlc on October 20th, 2007 8:51 pm

    As a Sox fan, I think it’s funny when people put me in the same category as a Yankee fan. Every game/series of the Red Sox I watch, I’m waiting for them to lose. Decades of conditioning.

    Having said that, I join in the general disdain of Red Sox fans who support them since they started winning, don’t really know much about baseball, but insist on being loud about it.

  39. John D. on October 21st, 2007 12:33 am

    I grew up fifty miles south of Boston. We used to make fun of the way Bostonians talked (“Pahk the cah in Hahvud Yahd.”)
    When I joined the service, and ran into guys from all over the country, I came to realize that people regarded us the same as Bostonians.
    It’s the same way with Red Sox and Yankee fans. The former hate the latter. The Red Sox fans don’t realize that others see them and the Yankee fans as very similar.
    ($51 million just to talk to Daisuke! Holy Cow!)

  40. James T on October 21st, 2007 8:59 am

    #88. Exactly. I don’t like the bandwagon jumpers and pink hat wearers who just want to sing Sweet Caroline in the middle of the 8th. But there’s a real difference in attitude between Sox and yankee fans. Sox fans don’t think they’re entitled to the world series like some member of the landed gentry is entitled to his estate. A lot of yankee fans do and the Steinbrenner attitude of only a championship denoting a good season has fed that silly attitude. If the Sox lose tonight, it will still have been a terrific season.

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