News of the day

DMZ · October 31, 2007 at 8:00 am · Filed Under Mariners 

The Angels may be in or out of the A-Rod bidding, depending on who you read and when. Mostly in. Also, the Dodgers.

Former M’s centerfielder Mike Cameron got popped for a 25-game suspension under the stimulant policy, which’ll probably put a dent on his search for a new multi-year deal.

Curt Schilling posted a list of teams he’d be willing to sign with if he didn’t return to Boston. Seattle’s not one.


135 Responses to “News of the day”

  1. scott19 on November 2nd, 2007 11:38 am

    Yeah, I’m sure there’s another Dave Myers clone out there somewhere…

  2. joser on November 2nd, 2007 12:04 pm

    So, using a fairly arbitrary scoring system, Bill James rates young players and declares Felix the 5th best player under 30. Cleveland (Carmona and Sizemore) and the Mets (Wright and Reyes) are the only teams with two in the top 10.

    More interesting than the rankings (at least to me) is his declaration

    Arguably, there is more outstanding young talent around right now than at any other moment in baseball history — not more per team, but there are more teams. The moment at which there had been the most young talent in baseball, before 2007, was 1964.

  3. joser on November 2nd, 2007 12:10 pm

    James also delivers this gem

    I have to tell you, as a baseball fan, I absolutely adore C. C. Sabathia. I always have. I’ve compared all these players to somebody else. It is sacrilege to compare C. C. Sabathia to any other pitcher. He is totally unique. For one thing, although listed weights of baseball players are so bogus that it’s hard to see the point of listing them, C. C. has to be the heaviest player in major league history. He’s huge — 6’7″and has an aircraft carrier frame supporting large piles of necessary and unnecessary flesh, all of this adorned with comic little ears that stick out from his face as if the Lord couldn’t find a flat place to put them.

  4. C. Cheetah on November 2nd, 2007 12:18 pm

    I realize it is a slow news period for baseball, but did Geoff Baker actually need to write an article about whether or not the M’s would accept the one year option on Guillen? Guillen has no intention of signing it, Guillen is now officially a type B free agent, and some even might want to keep him if it were only for one year…

  5. Karen on November 2nd, 2007 1:30 pm

    From Buster Olney and ESPN, updated at 10:40 AM PDT this morning: “Before Alex Rodriguez opted out of his contract with the Yankees earlier this week, the team was told that it would not be able to meet with the third baseman unless it presented an offer of at least $350 million, sources say.”

    This is awfully reminiscent of the Boras/ARod negotiations with the Mets’ then-GM Steve Phillips, who told them “thanks but no thanks” after receiving the demands for those outlandish perks and requirements from Boras/ARod, then later denied vehemently by Boras/ARod.

    When outlandish claims and proposed crazy money are brought up over and over again, and the connection is the same MLB player and the same agent, do you finally conclude that the allegations and the rumors and the leaks are based in fact?

    Later in the ESPN story there’s also this: “In an interview with’s Jerry Crasnick on Thursday, Boras said, We have had no economic discussions regarding Alex Rodriguez with any major-league team.’ I’d have to guess that the adjective “economic” is the difference-maker in this comment that makes it “true”. Leave “economic” out, and Boras undoubtedly HAS had discussions regarding Alex Rodriguez with (any/some) major league team, and undoubtedly had them before Alex Rodriguez opted out.

  6. joser on November 2nd, 2007 1:31 pm

    Baker needs to write an article every day. The Media Beast must be fed. He may have written that a couple of weeks ago and then, hung over from Halloween and desperate for content, tossed it in the general direction of his editor while he scrambled to find something worth writing about.

  7. Karen on November 2nd, 2007 1:31 pm
  8. jlc on November 2nd, 2007 3:13 pm

    Fox should be relatively happy with the World Series ratings. Game 4 was the number 2 watched show of the week (#1 being, oddly, Dancing with the Stars, probably from all the people who got hooked tuning in to see Dave’s cousin…)

    All four games were in the top 20, along with a show that I’m assuming was mislabeled, the pregame show for Game 5.

  9. thefin190 on November 2nd, 2007 3:39 pm

    I wonder how different those World Series ratings would have been if the Indians were able to win the last game against the red sox.

  10. Max Power on November 2nd, 2007 4:37 pm

    Re: Arod – I remember a debate a couple years back on what cap Clemens would wear when he entered the Hall of Fame & someone quipped that the cap on his bust should just have a ‘$’ on the front. In Arod’s case, I really can’t imagine what cap they could possibly include on his bust given how unpopular he is with the fan base in every city he’s played in.

    Maybe it’ll work out for him this time but color me ultra-skeptical. In his case the ‘$’ might actually be the least controversial.

  11. smb on November 2nd, 2007 8:15 pm

    M’s decline Guillen’s option.

  12. Slippery Elmer on November 2nd, 2007 8:37 pm

    Also on #111’s link, Reitsma was cut loose. Both addition by subtraction situations?

  13. Slippery Elmer on November 2nd, 2007 8:39 pm

    Okay, maybe not “cut loose,” but not intentionally retained.

  14. msb on November 2nd, 2007 8:49 pm

    #99– thinking about it some more, if Bowa goes to LA to coach 3B, then everybody’s buddy Rich Donnelly is out of a job …

  15. Spanky on November 3rd, 2007 7:07 am

    What the…

    Why decline the option on Guillen when you know darn well he has no intention on signing a one-year agreement? Isn’t that just wasting 1/2 Million? I don’t get it. Can somebody explain what I’m missing here?

  16. msb on November 3rd, 2007 8:05 am

    better the $500,000 you know than the $9M you might get stuck with if he gets no other offers?

  17. msb on November 3rd, 2007 8:10 am

    Dan Evans has left the Mariners FO

  18. Matthew Carruth on November 3rd, 2007 9:34 am

    Jose Guillen on a 1Y/9M contract is good value. They shouldn’t have been upset if that came to pass and there’s no chance it would have anyways.

  19. junglist215 on November 3rd, 2007 10:09 am

    That that pretty bad when even Guillen is laughing about it. I could think of alot better ways to waste a half million dollars.

  20. gk91 on November 3rd, 2007 10:25 am

    Keeping Guillen coupled with the stated desire to keep and play Jones would make the logjam at 1B/DH even more of an issue than it is already. Also no one has to “risk” hurting Raul’s feelings or upsetting the team’s chemistry by telling him he can’t play OF anymore.

  21. tgf on November 3rd, 2007 10:46 am

    Jose Guillen on a 1Y/9M contract is good value. They shouldn’t have been upset if that came to pass and there’s no chance it would have anyways.

    Agreed. Worst case, that’s a very tradable contract.

  22. MindlessBabble on November 3rd, 2007 11:49 am

    “There had been conflicting reports of this, but Cot’s Baseball Contracts had it right. Guillen’s player option is for $5MM, and he’s already said he’s declining it. The Mariners pretty much wasted $500K in declining the club option.”

    Is this true?

  23. smb on November 3rd, 2007 12:15 pm

    Any to close the loop, can anyone more mathematically inclined than myself give a good estimate for what percentage of the net profit for next season resulting from the “premium game” ticket price bump the FO just pissed away by declining that option? Just curious…you know, because I’m not cynical at all.

  24. hub on November 3rd, 2007 12:52 pm

    ESPN is stating this on Guillen:

    “If Guillen decides not to exercise his part of the option, he won’t get a $500,000 buyout. He must decide within five days.”

  25. joser on November 3rd, 2007 1:21 pm

    The AP story (which is probably what ESPN is running) quotes Bavasi:

    “Declining the options on Jose and Chris [Reitsma] gives us more flexibility as we lan our 2008 roster,” general manager Bill Bavasi said while announcing the decision hours before a league deadline to do so Friday night.

    “In Jose’s case, this puts the ball in his court. He can choose to exercise his option with us, or to go to free agency.

    “With both players, if it becomes apparent that they’re a good fit for us in 2008, we can still negotiate with them as free agents.”

    I suppose the M’s figure with Jones in hand they’ve got the advantage (because they can’t see what a liability Raul is in the field). Meanwhile, Guillen has to decide how much he values serenity vs money

    Guillen has said he wants the Mariners to be his final team, and that this past season he finally found a second home away from his native Dominican Republic.

    “They know my heart’s here,” Guillen said Sept. 30, after the final game of the season.

    McLaren flattered Guillen by having him replaced to a huge ovation from the home crowd after Guillen had already taken the field for the final inning. Guillen called it one of the best moments of his checkered career, saying “it can’t get any better than that.”

    “I’m going to give them all the chances in the world to sign me,”he said of the Mariners that day. “They are going to have to make a choice.”

  26. Typical Idiot Fan on November 3rd, 2007 4:34 pm

    Let’s assume for five seconds that Ibanez doesn’t somehow end up at first base next season, if they keep Jones in left (which seems to be a good idea), is Ibanez as big a black hole defensively in the not so spacious right field of SafeCo?

  27. smb on November 3rd, 2007 7:28 pm

    I’d say no…but the fact that his throws rainbow worse than my sister’s doesn’t bode well for throwing anyone out, either.

  28. gk91 on November 3rd, 2007 9:48 pm


  29. Typical Idiot Fan on November 3rd, 2007 11:53 pm

    SexSon. What is the issue with people having a problem remembering / typing that?

  30. msb on November 4th, 2007 9:04 am

    the TNT catches up with … Greg Dobbs.

  31. jlc on November 5th, 2007 12:59 am

    Anybody else a Jon Stewart fan? He had David Wright on the show last week. Stewart (a Met, not a Yankee fan), was saying that ARod brings bad vibes to every team he’s on, etc., and asked Wright how he would react if ARod came to the Mets. Wright said even though they both play third, he’d like to win a Series and would welcome the help. Stewart made a comment about how it would screw up team chemistry. Wright said 54 home runs can produce a lot of chemistry.

  32. scottg02 on November 5th, 2007 3:13 am

    Team chemistry, IMO, isn’t the issue. Arods the best player, I doubt he screws up chemistry and even if he does, he’s the best player and he’s worth it. The problem is payroll. Even out of the few teams that can afford and are willing to sign him, he eats up to much payroll for other players. I think the with the dollar figures he’s likely to command only the Yankees (and believe me, despite what you hear I bet they are in the bidding) and Red Sox can afford to sign him and field a championship team around him. So if he wants a ring, he’ll end up at one of the two, unless some team changes their payroll dramatically to include him AND others around him.

  33. joser on November 5th, 2007 3:50 am

    I don’t see any reason for the Red Sox to be in the bidding. He’ll eat a huge chunk of their payroll (remember there’s the luxury tax too), limit their flexibility, and they already won the World Series without him. In fact, the only good reason for the Red Sox to get ARod would be to prevent the Yankees from getting him and thereby ensuring an automatic championship.

    Oh, wait.

    Personally, I think ARod is headed to LA. The LA teams have money, the media environment is better, the town loves big-ticket celebrities whether they deliver or not (see Beckham, David), and there’s plenty of opportunities for endorsements. I just hope he ends up on the Dodgers (where he could take back the home run record from a certain Giant by the end of his contract), but I fear he’ll be batting behind Vlad.

    But the Mets have that new ballpark money coming in ’09, and there are some other dark horses — Heyman at SI did a decent rundown</a of the possibilities.

  34. msb on November 5th, 2007 9:49 am

    would that be the same Heyman believed to have broken the “Arod opting out” story for Boras last week? 🙂

  35. joser on November 5th, 2007 11:14 am

    Well, if the odds he supplies come straight from Boras, wouldn’t that be… interesting.

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