Jose Guillen to get suspended for steroid, HGH purchases

DMZ · December 5, 2007 at 3:14 pm · Filed Under General baseball, Mariners 

Wow. From ESPN:

The Major League Baseball Players Association is negotiating with MLB officials on a possible 10- to 15-day suspension for outfielder Jose Guillen for his reported involvement in the purchase of steroids and human growth hormone, sources told ESPN The Magazine’s Buster Olney on Wednesday.

If that’s right, you have to wonder how much that affected the Guillen extension talks this year – we know they were all but signed for some time, certainly until the Byrnes contract. Did it play a part in their decision to let Guillen walk?

BTW, I don’t know if this is true:

Seattle declined its $9 million option and Guillen turned down a $5 million player option, receiving a $500,000 buyout.

If I remember, the $9m option was mutual: both the team and Guillen would have had to accept it, and then if the team turned it down, Guillen had an option to extend for one year at $5m, and if he turned that down, he couldn’t get the buyout.

But when I try to look up the details, I’m just finding a lot of conflicting information.

Comments

44 Responses to “Jose Guillen to get suspended for steroid, HGH purchases”

  1. Chris Miller on December 5th, 2007 3:19 pm

    Oh man, how will those poor Royals win the world series now?! All hope is lost.

  2. joser on December 5th, 2007 3:19 pm

    So I wonder which motivated the M’s more: their pathological need to appear “family friendly” or their pathological need to stay on Selig’s good side?

  3. Chris Miller on December 5th, 2007 3:24 pm

    I love how they’re not even thinking about trying for 50 games.

  4. Tuomas on December 5th, 2007 3:25 pm

    3: From what I understand, Guillen came forward, so the Player’s Association is negotiating for a reduced sentence.

  5. Teej on December 5th, 2007 3:31 pm

    Since becoming a free agent, his info has been taken down from Cot’s, but here’s what it said before:

    07: $4M, 08:$ 9M club option ($0.5M buyout)

    – if club exercises 2008 option, Guillen may void & forfeit buyout

    – if club does not exercise 2008 option, Guillen may exercise 2008 option for $5M, and club may void & pay buyout

    So it’s not really clear, but it appears that Guillen shouldn’t have gotten the half-million because he never exercised his part of the option. It’s the whole “mutual breakup” thing, and we may be wrong in assuming that Guillen got the half-million.

    Then again, Guillen told a reporter, “They just gave me a half-million for no reason,” so I have no idea.

  6. Evan on December 5th, 2007 3:34 pm

    MLB is cleverly skirting the non-analytic positive by negotiating a lesser suspension than an analytic positive would create.

    But, I don’t see how baseball has any leverage, here. The MLBPA doesn’t need to give in on this one.

  7. Jack Howland on December 5th, 2007 3:45 pm

    Cot’s has a free agent page listed by position. However, Guillen’s contract has been moved to the Royals page.

  8. galaxieboi on December 5th, 2007 3:45 pm

    10-15 days? Why bother? Several questions I have: 1)did the M’s know there was going to be punishment? 2)did the Royals? 3)did the M’s let him go to kiss Selig’s a**? 4)if the M’s knew but the Royals didn’t how many conspiracy theories can we come up with?

    What if the 500k was an internal accounting error?? Someone misunderstood their own contract and cut him a check? I’d have Guillen back for $5M, HGH or no HGH. Maybe the M’s felt differently.

  9. bakomariner on December 5th, 2007 3:48 pm

    i still wish the Ms would have re-signed him…raul could have played the first two weeks in right, then shifted to DH when Guillen came back…although they were probably anticipating too much negative publicity and a much longer suspension…

  10. Teej on December 5th, 2007 3:52 pm

    Thanks, Jack, I swear I checked last week and couldn’t find anything, but you’re right, it’s all there. Still not crystal-clear, though.

  11. galaxieboi on December 5th, 2007 3:52 pm

    I can’t believe it’s only a PR thing. Mike Morse is still on the team. Ryan Franklin continued to play.

  12. Grizz on December 5th, 2007 3:53 pm

    Evan, the Mitchell Report has not come out yet.

  13. C. Cheetah on December 5th, 2007 4:45 pm

    Gentlemen…
    Yes the option was mutual, but not equal.
    The M’s had the option of extending the $9 mil extension to Guillen, OR pay Guillen the $500K. Guillen had already said publicly that he would not accept this offer, if the M’s offered it to him. Still, the M’s did offer the $9 mil contract, which means the M’s gave Guillen the $500K.
    Guillen did have the option of accpting the $5mil for one year contract or take the $500K and look for a new team.
    I hope that helps explain what happened.

  14. DMZ on December 5th, 2007 4:54 pm

    Yeah, that’s what the above CoT post said, except it noted that Guillen could turn down a team exercise of the option for next year. Except…

    Still, the M’s did offer the $9 mil contract, which means the M’s gave Guillen the $500K.

    I think you mean that they did not offer that.

  15. shortbus on December 5th, 2007 5:40 pm

    We’re doomed. Please, Jim Street, no more insights into the workings of McLaren’s mind. My teeth are already worn down to little nubs from two months of watching him manage.

  16. Evan on December 5th, 2007 5:45 pm

    Evan, the Mitchell Report has not come out yet.

    I’m well aware of that. I don’t think the MLBPA should have to give in based on anything it says, either.

  17. Doc Baseball on December 5th, 2007 5:57 pm

    Cheetah has it right. The M’s did not accept the $9 Million option, thus obligating themselves to pay the $500 K buy-out. Guillen then had the choice of either accepting the $500K buy-out, or accepting $5 million for the one-year contract. He declined the $5 Million in order to become a free agent and thus he gets the $500 K buy-out . Given that he was very much a straight-shooter about his intentions not to accept a one-year of $ 9 Million (and certainly not $5 Million), it is interesting to note his reaction to the M’s decision-making:

    “They just gave me a half-million for no reason,” he said with a chuckle.

  18. Doc Baseball on December 5th, 2007 6:05 pm

    I can’t believe it’s only a PR thing. Mike Morse is still on the team. Ryan Franklin continued to play.

    There’re also a bunch of quotes from Armstrong signaling that they were not too distressed about the steroids/HGH issue.

    For example:

    Mariners president Chuck Armstrong told the AP the team remains interested in keeping Guillen.

    “We thought he was an outstanding teammate. We were happy to have him. We know nothing about what happened in the past,” Armstrong said. “I continue to admire and respect him greatly.

    “Before I feel anything negative about Jose, I need to see something tangible or real.”

  19. Grizz on December 5th, 2007 6:06 pm

    I’m well aware of that. I don’t think the MLBPA should have to give in based on anything it says, either.

    The MLBPA would have an interest in what the final draft says when it comes to which names get mentioned and which names do not.

  20. Max Power on December 5th, 2007 6:30 pm

    The whole Guillen affair just smells funny to me – didn’t the Royals ink the contract like immediately after the M’s declined arbitration? It seems wildly implausible to me that the M’s wouldn’t have a pretty good idea that Guillen essentially had contract-in-hand. Granted I know nothing about the business but I’m just having a really hard time swallowing htat.

    I wonder if there was some future/past considerations between the two clubs & Guillen that no one is allowed to talk about that factored into this. Bavasi’s been around forever, I just can’t imagine him tossing away the pick & $500k for no good reason. Even ‘pressure from above about the roids’ doesn’t really do it for me.

  21. PLU Tim on December 5th, 2007 6:51 pm

    How is the Guillen situation any different than the Gary Matthews or Rick Ankiel siuations?

    Seems to me that if he’s suspended then some others should be as well.

  22. shortbus on December 5th, 2007 6:57 pm

    Is anyone else as tired as I am of having to come up with theories more intricate than any devised to explain the Kennedy assasination that will adequately explain the latest move the M’s have made? Just like every other time we’ve gone through this what appears on the surface to be an inexplicable, shortsighted, foolish move…will turn out after long last to have been exactly that or worse. Can’t the FO once…just ONCE make use wonder after a deal goes down what the OTHER guy was thinking?

  23. bat guano on December 5th, 2007 6:59 pm

    There were probably three things going on in the M’s decision making process with Guillen, and I suspect that of the three, Guillen’s make-up and the HGH issue were the least important. The most important was probably an acknowledgement that Adam Jones needs to play; the second most important, and the scariest to me, is their commitment to Raul and the fact that they haven’t given up on the idea that he’s an outfielder. Please, Bill, please find a way to move Raul to DH (or even 1B if you must) and bring in Jenkins or someone else who can still cover the ground out there……

  24. bedir on December 5th, 2007 7:56 pm

    PLU Tim, at least one ESPNRadio host was saying that the reason the Angels signed a second CF is because they knew they were going to be many games without Matthews.

    I would fully expect more suspensions.

  25. msb on December 5th, 2007 9:07 pm

    The whole Guillen affair just smells funny to me – didn’t the Royals ink the contract like immediately after the M’s declined arbitration?

    Nov. 9 Declined his option
    Nov & Dec Guliien talking to KC, looking for 4 years
    Dec. 2 M’s decline arbitration
    Dec. 3 KC starts talking to Andruw.
    Dec. 4 Guillen is ok with 3 years.

  26. Sidi on December 6th, 2007 1:50 am

    How is the Guillen situation any different than the Gary Matthews or Rick Ankiel siuations?

    Well, Ankiel, my favorite player of all time, was hucking balls at the assholes behind the plate talking on their cell phones. Guillen didn’t try to injure any assholes, even if they both tried to…augment their carrers. Plus, I will still maintain it wanst wildness that ruined Ankiel’s pitching, but distraction as the morons waved at their friends because they could afford a thousand dollars to watch a playoff game while goofing off on the phone. I couldn’t throw anything to home plate without the urge to huck something explosive at the jerks too.

  27. Teej on December 6th, 2007 3:19 am

    Rick Ankiel lost it and could never pitch ever again because there were people in the box seats behind home plate talking on their cell phones? Was he willing to sacrifice his major-league career to make a statement to people behind the plate? Did he ever play baseball in the minors, where 70% of the crowd isn’t watching the game? I’m utterly confused.

  28. Terminator X on December 6th, 2007 4:06 am

    Sidi is being fecetious (at least I hope), and is refering to Ankiel’s NLDS in 2000 where he threw probably about 10-15 wild pitches and basically ended his pitching career.

    PLU Tim, As far as the HGH situation, Ankiel is only proven to have used it in ’04, and I’m not sure on Matthews but I believe his was before HGH was put on MLB’s banned substance list as well.

    I personally think it’s ridiculous Guillen’s only getting 15 games, MLB is WAAAAY too lax with their drug policies. But that’s another discussion entirely.

  29. Carson on December 6th, 2007 8:54 am

    It is probably safe to assume Guillen wasn’t going to get 4 years from anyone.

    BTW – Huzzah for multiple postings three days in a row.

  30. msb on December 6th, 2007 8:58 am

    woohoo.

    M’s pick up a knuckleballer in the Rule 5 draft.

  31. msb on December 6th, 2007 8:59 am

    #28– I dunno– after all, it was KC who gave Meche that wacky contract.

  32. Carson on December 6th, 2007 9:06 am

    msb – I suppose that is true. Part of that could be attributed to the inflated pitching market. Had they given Guillen four years, it sure would cement how bad that francgise is run (not that we need much more proof).

    Also.. re: 29

    The guy they drafted in the Rule 5 is 33 years old. How excited should we really be about that?

  33. msb on December 6th, 2007 9:08 am

    I just like the idea of Dickey reinventing himself as a knuckleballer.

  34. Carson on December 6th, 2007 9:11 am

    Oh, I don’t know much about him. Looking at the small sample of major league stats he has, I guess he can’t get any worse. He started one game in 06 and got blown up. Nothing before that looks that great, either.

    I wonder if they plan to use him in the pen with spot starts?

    When did he start knuckleballing?

  35. msb on December 6th, 2007 9:19 am

    Dickey used to be best known for being “that pitcher born without a ligament in his elbow” … Apparently he switched to the knuckler around ’05, and after that really bad outing with Texas in ’06 he changed his delivery even more, and had better success with it in Nashville.

  36. swwashfan on December 6th, 2007 9:25 am

    30 and 31
    Read this Joe Posnanski post
    http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/12/05/sigh/
    on the Guillen deal to get an idea on how it must feel to be a Royals fan. Also makes me feel better about dumping Guillen.

  37. Evan on December 6th, 2007 9:53 am

    at least one ESPNRadio host was saying that the reason the Angels signed a second CF is because they knew they were going to be many games without Matthews.

    I would fully expect more suspensions.

    And that’s crazy. Grounds for suspensions need to be negotiated with the MLBPA, and baseball doesn’t have any leverage on this one.

    MOre and more I think the MLBPA is run by people on Selig’s payroll.

  38. joser on December 6th, 2007 11:17 am

    The guy they drafted in the Rule 5 is 33 years old. How excited should we really be about that?

    Knuckleballers last forever. Just ask Wakefield. Or the Niekro brothers (well, you can’t ask Joe, but that’s not because he wasn’t durable on the mound).

    Anyway, it’s a essentially a gamble with almost zero outlay (aside from the opportunity cost if there’s a hidden gem out there they could’ve picked up instead). If they get anything out of the guy, it’s a good move. And I’ll certainly watch more games if I think I’m going to see a knuckler pitch.

  39. Ace on December 6th, 2007 3:40 pm

    The only outlay for Dickey is a roster spot and those can be very valuable, assuming you have another player that can be productive waiting in the wings. On the other hand if this is the slot they were wasting last year on Rick White/John Parrish/Jason Davis then Dickey is even better than free.

  40. msb on December 6th, 2007 3:51 pm

    Guillen’s suspension is official

  41. joser on December 6th, 2007 8:03 pm

    It doesn’t apply in Guillen’s case, where they have the shipping records to back it up, but you know that excuse that goes “I must’ve taken tainted supplements”? It always sounded lame to me. But If this study holds up in broader tests, we may have to be a little more forgiving:

    One quarter of dietary supplements purchased in a recent sampling contained traces of steroids and 11.5 percent had banned stimulants

  42. LA M's Fan on December 6th, 2007 9:03 pm

    Here is a thought. Could Guillen’s 500K buyout be tied to a provision that the M’s wouldn’t offer arbitration? Thus, Guillen would get the ability to be slightly more attractive to a new team and the M’s would pocket 500K for not offering arbitration?

  43. scott19 on December 7th, 2007 12:53 am

    Just curious…how did Guillen only manage to get 10-15 games for HGH when Cammie wound up 25 for “stimulants”?

  44. msb on December 7th, 2007 2:17 pm

    because there is a set penalty for a 2nd positive test for stimulants.

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