Game 25, Athletics at Mariners

DMZ · April 26, 2008 at 5:00 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

6:10. The return of Bedard, unless they scratch him at the last minute and don’t tell anyone again. Facing Justin Duchscherer.

As I write this (which is early, because it’s a beautiful day and I’m going to go down to Safeco and see it live! In person!) Bedard requires someone to be taken off the 25-man, and speculation’s run to Baek/Corcoran. We’ll see — they’ll have to make a decision before game time.

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172 Responses to “Game 25, Athletics at Mariners”

  1. strong silence on April 26th, 2008 5:14 pm

    One more thing about Lopez bunting in that situation. The sac bunt increases your odds of 1 run at the expense of a multiple-run inning. So by choosing to go for 1 run, McLaren is being unnecessarily conservative. Instead he wants to take his chances in extra innings. But, in reality, his best chance of tying and winning the ball game was in the 9th.

    I think the managers who prefer The Book to actually thinking for themselves don’t see that outs are the most precious commodity in a game, and that giving them away (e.g. the sac bunt) reduces your team’s chance of winning.

  2. strong silence on April 26th, 2008 5:16 pm

    Two Hitters:
    Player A sees 4.0 pitches per PA
    Player B sees 3.1 pitches per PA

    Both are Mariners.

    Which one should bat higher in the order?

  3. strong silence on April 26th, 2008 5:16 pm

    Two Hitters, part 2

    Player A – 12% of his batted balls are line drives.

    Player B – 18% of his batted balls are line drives.

    Guess which of these two is hitting better at this point in the season.

  4. strong silence on April 26th, 2008 5:28 pm

    Two Fielders, part 3. (Same players as in Posts 2 and 3.)

    Player A is last among AL West players at his fielding position in Revised Zone Rating.

    Player B is also last among AL West players at his fielding position in Revised Zone Rating.

    Which player is not meeting expecations? Which player is barely meeting expectations?

  5. smb on April 26th, 2008 5:30 pm

    I don’t see how they could pick Baek, since he’s already come in early a couple times. Who will fill that “OMFG we’re going to the ‘pen in the second inning!” role if not him?

  6. CaptainPoopy on April 26th, 2008 5:32 pm

    Hey, how do I find the infield singles stats for Vidro. I’m having a debate about him, and I can’t find where his infield hit were.

  7. Jake on April 26th, 2008 5:38 pm

    They won’t option Baek down, because he would have to clear waivers. Corcoran was sent down to Tacoma.

  8. CaptainPoopy on April 26th, 2008 5:39 pm

    Nevermind.

  9. mw3 on April 26th, 2008 6:07 pm

    Just saw the Jose and Pepe Vidro commercial. Man does that typify the Bill Bavasi era.

  10. HamNasty on April 26th, 2008 6:14 pm

    Good first inning so far.

  11. angrybeltre on April 26th, 2008 6:16 pm

    I’d say a 7 pitch inning is pretty good…thank god he’s back.

  12. HamNasty on April 26th, 2008 6:16 pm

    No Pepe! Norton at DH, finally.

  13. msb on April 26th, 2008 6:17 pm

    hey, was that that guy the Ms traded for?

  14. msb on April 26th, 2008 6:18 pm

    Corcoran was sent down to Tacoma.

    dangit. I like Slaughter Roy.

    you know, Justin Duchererererer just came off the DL. might be good to actually make him work a little.

  15. PaulMolitorCocktail on April 26th, 2008 6:29 pm

    Who will fill that “OMFG we’re going to the ‘pen in the second inning!” role if not him?

    RR-S?

  16. angrybeltre on April 26th, 2008 6:30 pm

    15-Or Morrow if he has his control back. He was being groomed to start.

  17. terry on April 26th, 2008 6:30 pm

    Anyone else see the nice running catch at the wall that Adam Jones made in center while he was blowing a bubble?

  18. dw on April 26th, 2008 6:32 pm

    The Safeco scorekeeper is more generous than a drunk philanthropist.

  19. jefffrane on April 26th, 2008 6:37 pm

    “Wilkerson is the hitter.” No. “Wilkerson is the batter.”

  20. Rick L on April 26th, 2008 6:37 pm

    Three players below the Mendoza line
    All in a row, not so fine

  21. angrybeltre on April 26th, 2008 6:44 pm

    Felix day tomorrow!!! (sorry. the tv graphic got me excited)

  22. NateDawgUS on April 26th, 2008 6:47 pm

    Some nasty breaking balls by Bedard.

  23. Dayve on April 26th, 2008 6:50 pm

    21.

    Well you better go change your panties!

  24. strong silence on April 26th, 2008 7:12 pm

    Hint:

    They both play in the infield.

  25. crazyray7391 on April 26th, 2008 7:15 pm

    It looked like even Richie was suprised he made good contact there.

  26. dw on April 26th, 2008 7:24 pm

    Spoon, Band of Horses, and Apples In Stereo all have songs used in car commercials. This on top of Flaming Lips showing up in ads for computers and salad dressing.

    Is Pitchfork an ad agency now?

  27. dw on April 26th, 2008 7:25 pm

    This game is hard because you play it every day.

    Wow. Thanks Valle. Such incredible logic.

  28. strong silence on April 26th, 2008 7:28 pm

    Answer:

    Player A is Richie Sexson

    Player B is Yuniesky Betancourt

  29. Paul B on April 26th, 2008 7:29 pm

    Bedard through 5, 9 GB, 2 FB. 69 pitches.

  30. msb on April 26th, 2008 7:35 pm

    so, would this be an example of a ‘postage stamp-sized strike-zone’?

  31. dw on April 26th, 2008 7:38 pm

    Short bullpen? They used THREE pitchers yesterday, one of whom hadn’t pitched in 12 days.

    Short bullpen my ass.

  32. msb on April 26th, 2008 7:39 pm

    huh.

    “We need to get some guys going. Like I said, we’re a month into the season now and if we’ve got to pinch-hit for people we’re going to pinch-hit for people. We’ve gone far enough. We’ve given everyone an opportunity. This game is about winning. It’s not about me being everybody’s best friend. It’s me doing best for the Seattle Mariners and for the ballclub.”

  33. pygmalion on April 26th, 2008 7:42 pm

    msb: I’m curious, who is the source for that quote?

  34. msb on April 26th, 2008 7:42 pm

    gosh, just think what Bedard’s pitch count would be like if he’d been given those strikes on the corners….

  35. pygmalion on April 26th, 2008 7:43 pm

    I’m assuming McLaren, but it just seems so out of character…

  36. msb on April 26th, 2008 7:43 pm

    that is Mac, earlier today, as quoted by Baker tonight in his blog.

  37. hairofthedawg on April 26th, 2008 7:45 pm

    Surprising quote, but very welcome. I just wish they’d take it a little further than pinch-hitting.

  38. joser on April 26th, 2008 7:47 pm

    Well, that’s a lesson you expect a manager to learn in his first year… his first year as a coach somewhere in the minors. Mclaren has been sitting in dugouts for how many years? Was he just not paying attention to Lou?

  39. paulkersey on April 26th, 2008 7:47 pm

    I was looking at box scores and noticed that Geovany Soto was 0 for 5 today with 5 Ks. Pretty rare to see a good hitter do that. Pretty rare to see anybody but a pitcher do that.

  40. jefffrane on April 26th, 2008 7:48 pm

    Wait. You mean the DH is actually supposed to drive in runs? Really?

  41. joser on April 26th, 2008 7:48 pm

    Norton, demonstrating how replaceable Vidro is (not that Jose/Pepe has set the bar very high).

  42. Rick L on April 26th, 2008 7:49 pm

    Maybe this will encourage Mac to at least platoon the DH.

  43. dw on April 26th, 2008 7:49 pm

    5 K’s = the platinum sombrero. I thought that was 4 K’s, but never mind.

  44. shemberry on April 26th, 2008 7:50 pm

    I still don’t think the trade was a good idea, but it is easy to see why the M’s wanted Bedard. Dude can pitch.

  45. MedicineHat on April 26th, 2008 7:51 pm

    39….I would bet it is MORE rare for a pitcher to do that. A team would have to send 45 men to the plate (18 runners on) in order for a pitcher to get his 5th AB. You’d have to assume that team would have a large lead because they’ve sent so many men to the plate AND is still in the game himself (which means he would have had to of been pitching a fine game).

    Not too many pitchers get 5 AB’s a game. Better yet K in all five.

  46. joser on April 26th, 2008 7:52 pm

    So Trembley is upset and volunteered to personally “kick the snot” out of the fans who got onto the field the other night.

  47. HamNasty on April 26th, 2008 7:53 pm

    Mark Redman 1IP 10ER 3BB 0K Ouch, a 90.0 ERA.

  48. planB on April 26th, 2008 7:54 pm

    So when Fangraphs says we have a 90% win expectancy, is that just “any team up 3-0 in the bottom of the sixth with a runner on first and two outs”, or are the specific players of the teams considered in some way?

  49. Rick L on April 26th, 2008 7:55 pm

    After hitting .409 (with a .917 OPS) in Tacoma, Norton is now hitting .455 with the M’s. Not a bad month.

  50. pygmalion on April 26th, 2008 7:56 pm

    Ham – and he did it with only 3 walks!

  51. scott19 on April 26th, 2008 7:57 pm

    Mark Redman 1IP 10ER 3BB 0K Ouch, a 90.0 ERA.

    Wow, that’s impressive! I think a 90.00 ERA was what Rick White was working toward last summer when he got released.

  52. joser on April 26th, 2008 7:58 pm

    Mark Redman 1IP 10ER 3BB 0K Ouch, a 90.0 ERA.

    Positively Weaveresque. Though I seem to remember M’s pitching lines like that back in the early 80s.

  53. fishiam on April 26th, 2008 7:58 pm

    48: It is your first conjecture. Historically, across all teams and situations, there is a 90% probability that the home team will win given the scenario you described. There is NO adjustment for the particular teams or players involved.

  54. paulkersey on April 26th, 2008 7:59 pm

    39….I would bet it is MORE rare for a pitcher to do that. A team would have to send 45 men to the plate (18 runners on) in order for a pitcher to get his 5th AB. You’d have to assume that team would have a large lead because they’ve sent so many men to the plate AND is still in the game himself (which means he would have had to of been pitching a fine game).

    Not too many pitchers get 5 AB’s a game. Better yet K in all five.

    My thought was sort of half-baked, but the point stands that Geovany Soto is not a prime candidate for the Platinum Sombrero.

  55. opiate82 on April 26th, 2008 7:59 pm

    Mark Redman 1IP 10ER 3BB 0K Ouch, a 90.0 ERA.

    ERA is not a good way to evaluate pitchers.

  56. MedicineHat on April 26th, 2008 7:59 pm

    47 – The amazing thing about that Redman line is, he gave up 10 ER in the 1st inning and is still out there for the 2nd.

  57. HamNasty on April 26th, 2008 8:00 pm

    This is prolly a dumb question that I am over looking something simple. But Redman gave up 6 hits and 3 walks no errors, how did he give up 10 runs? 6hits+3BB=9 base runners.

  58. HamNasty on April 26th, 2008 8:01 pm

    I answered my own question… Sac Fly.

  59. pygmalion on April 26th, 2008 8:02 pm

    But a Sac Fly doesn’t create a base runner.

  60. paulkersey on April 26th, 2008 8:03 pm

    HBP could have factored in too.

  61. pygmalion on April 26th, 2008 8:04 pm

    Juan Pierre was hit by a pitch.

  62. paulkersey on April 26th, 2008 8:04 pm

    Everyone in the Dodgers’ lineup scored in that inning. Yikes.

  63. msb on April 26th, 2008 8:04 pm

    I like that Bedard guy.

    They should have him pitch more often.

  64. scott19 on April 26th, 2008 8:05 pm

    Nice work, Erik!

  65. HamNasty on April 26th, 2008 8:05 pm

    Yahoo’s box score counted the HBP a BB.

  66. paulkersey on April 26th, 2008 8:05 pm

    Juan Pierre was hit by a pitch.

    I think that’s how they score Juan Pierre’s hits now.

  67. pygmalion on April 26th, 2008 8:06 pm

    paulkersey Says:

    Everyone in the Dodgers’ lineup scored in that inning. Yikes.

    Nice; I wonder how often that has happened?

  68. HamNasty on April 26th, 2008 8:06 pm

    Never mind, I am just a big dumb ass right now. The HBP wasn’t counted as a walk. Problem solved.

  69. Rick L on April 26th, 2008 8:07 pm

    55. Even so, that sucks.

  70. Rick L on April 26th, 2008 8:08 pm

    Bedard is probably pissed at this point.

  71. joser on April 26th, 2008 8:09 pm

    Historically, across all teams and situations, there is a 90% probability that the home team will win given the scenario you described.

    Clearly the team/players (and manager) involved is not factored in. As we’ve seen, a 3-0 lead at home in the 6th is nothing close to a 90% chance of a win when the team is the M’s. As they’re doing their best to demonstrate again tonight.

  72. Sports on a Schtick on April 26th, 2008 8:11 pm

    ARTHUR RHODES TIME!!1!!!1!

  73. fishiam on April 26th, 2008 8:11 pm

    Historically, across all teams and situations, there is a 90% probability that the home team will win given the scenario you described.

    Clearly the team/players (and manager) involved is not factored in. As we’ve seen, a 3-0 lead at home in the 6th is nothing close to a 90% chance of a win when the team is the M’s. As they’re doing their best to demonstrate again tonight.

    It is so sad that I so agree with such a statement. This team is very difficult to love and follow.

  74. Carson on April 26th, 2008 8:11 pm

    Wow. That chick was really hot. How could the guy in the bullpen ignore THAT yelling at them?

  75. jefffrane on April 26th, 2008 8:16 pm

    Looks like the Dodgers got all those runs with two outs, as well. Sucks to be Redman.

  76. HamNasty on April 26th, 2008 8:21 pm

    Good move to first with the step off. I am guessing Yuni was looking at the front leg waiting to see him start his motion to the plate.

  77. walkie83 on April 26th, 2008 8:25 pm

    oh no! Raul’s bad defense may cost us the game!

    (I hope you realize I’m being sarcastic.. even though most people who come to this site will probably take it to heart as they think he’s the worst in the league…)

  78. Rick L on April 26th, 2008 8:26 pm

    That was the slider Morrow has been working on.

  79. joser on April 26th, 2008 8:27 pm

    So much for Morrow’s shiny 0.00 ERA (and yes, the fact that Morrow had a 0.00 ERA despite all the tightrope walking we’ve seen him do is a perfect example of why ERA doesn’t tell you much, especially for relievers, and especially about the future)

  80. walkie83 on April 26th, 2008 8:27 pm

    yeah joser… The amount of runs a pitcher gives up doesn’t matter at all…

  81. beckya57 on April 26th, 2008 8:28 pm

    That Dodgers game is very weird, I’ve been listening to it on MLB.com. (Ouch, HR on the proverbial hanging breaking ball.) Redman got torched largely d/t walks, not unlike what we’ve been seeing from the M’s lately. On a much more somber note, Kerwin Danley, the home plate umpire, was hit with a pitch (got by the catcher), went down and didn’t get up. They’re saying he got hit in the R collarbone/neck area. They’re taking him off the field in an ambulance. The good news is he apparently is conscious.

  82. Paul L on April 26th, 2008 8:28 pm

    How depressing is it that two of the top 5 active RBI guys are ex-Ms?

  83. joser on April 26th, 2008 8:29 pm

    After watching Dellucci “field” for the Indians this afternoon I’d say Raul has some competition.

  84. G-Germ on April 26th, 2008 8:30 pm

    What Joser is trying to say is that ERA doesn’t tell the entire story. Nobody is saying that the amount of runs a pitcher gives up doesn’t mean anything. There are external variables that don’t get counted in the ERA. There are a lot better tools to show the true runs given up by a pitcher.

  85. joser on April 26th, 2008 8:31 pm

    I didn’t say it doesn’t matter, I said it doesn’t tell you much.

  86. HamNasty on April 26th, 2008 8:31 pm

    It is sad when the expectation for our 3 hole hitter is to move the runner over and not drive in a run.

  87. walkie83 on April 26th, 2008 8:31 pm

    I know, I’m just being a jerk. I don’t think ERA is as important as some make it… and I don’t think it’s really important at all this early in the season.

    However, at the end of the year, I do think that ERA is an important stat.. and not as insignificant as some make it.

  88. opiate82 on April 26th, 2008 8:33 pm

    Lopez is impressing me this season. Not only is he hitting better than last season, but also he’s doing things like hitting the ball to the right side to move a runner over or getting the ball to the outfeild in the air w/ a runner on third. He seems to be doing very well at the plate all around. Hope he can carry it through the whole season.

  89. walkie83 on April 26th, 2008 8:34 pm

    We’ll see how Lopez does after the All-Star break. That’s when he usually has trouble.

  90. strong silence on April 26th, 2008 8:35 pm

    83

    Both Bavasi and Shapiro are willing to give up defense for offense.

  91. walkie83 on April 26th, 2008 8:35 pm

    I think Norton just won himself a job!

  92. Rick L on April 26th, 2008 8:35 pm

    Norton, I love you.

  93. marinerfaninpdx on April 26th, 2008 8:35 pm

    Greg Norton, your new DH

  94. hairofthedawg on April 26th, 2008 8:36 pm

    Thank you for the enlightenment walkie.

  95. HamNasty on April 26th, 2008 8:36 pm

    Bye bye Pepe… I hope.

  96. opiate82 on April 26th, 2008 8:36 pm

    Vidro lost his job yet?

  97. msb on April 26th, 2008 8:37 pm

    I think that fella gets to DH tomorrow, too.

  98. walkie83 on April 26th, 2008 8:37 pm

    I doubt they will have him in the lineup tomorrow. :(

  99. G-Germ on April 26th, 2008 8:37 pm

    So, the biggest PH bat we have on the bench is WFB?

  100. Rick L on April 26th, 2008 8:37 pm

    It is a sad indictment of our offense that Willie comes in to pinch hit.

  101. fishiam on April 26th, 2008 8:38 pm

    So … do you leave Morrow in to get the save since JJ can’t get it now?

  102. walkie83 on April 26th, 2008 8:38 pm

    Come on, guys, he’s a full-time starter now!

  103. G-Germ on April 26th, 2008 8:39 pm

    Morrow can’t get the save either. He came into the game in the 8th instead of the 7th.

  104. beckya57 on April 26th, 2008 8:40 pm

    Incidentally, Redman is STILL pitching in the Dodgers game; one of those game-lost-save-the-bullpen deals. I always feel really bad for pitchers in those situations; that’s got to be humiliating. No word on Danley yet.

  105. fishiam on April 26th, 2008 8:41 pm

    103: that doesn’t matter – he came in with the lead at 3 runs or less. If he finishes the game and the score stays as is … Morrow gets the save.

  106. Scooter4 on April 26th, 2008 8:42 pm

    That was a nice at-bat by Willie.

  107. walkie83 on April 26th, 2008 8:42 pm

    i bet they will want to get JJ in for some work.

  108. FireBavasi on April 26th, 2008 8:42 pm

    I love 10 pitch at bats. Thanks for something Bloomquist.

  109. joser on April 26th, 2008 8:44 pm

    Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions:
    (1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and
    (2) He is not the winning pitcher; and
    (3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions:
    - (a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning;

    If Morrow finishes the game, he qualifies.

  110. joser on April 26th, 2008 8:45 pm

    However, “saving” is not Morrow’s “role.”

  111. Rick L on April 26th, 2008 8:46 pm

    I’m surprised they would use JJ in a non-save situation.

  112. G-Germ on April 26th, 2008 8:46 pm

    I stand to be corrected.

  113. fishiam on April 26th, 2008 8:47 pm

    Heck, if a team has a 5 run lead but the bases are loaded … and a new pitcher comes in and gets the final out … he gets a save: despite a five run lead! The rule is – tying run on deck when you get the final out, it’s a save.

  114. beckya57 on April 26th, 2008 8:47 pm

    Rick L: with the recent DL stint, I’m guessing they think JJ needs the work. Of course, if he ends up re-aggravating the injury in a non-save situation McLaren will have a lot of explaining to do.

  115. paulkersey on April 26th, 2008 8:52 pm

    Anybody else noticed that more sluggers are struggling than not? Ryan Howard, Adam Dunn, Carlos Pena, Travis Hafner, David Ortiz, Carlos Delgado (though he’s probably just done altogether), Mark Teixeira, Jack Cust, et al have not been doing so well thus far.

  116. beckya57 on April 26th, 2008 8:52 pm

    Sims just said that a lot’s expected from this ballclub. What I want to know is, WHY?? Isn’t the lack of talent (with a few exceptions) obvious? They’re playing at exactly the level I expected, that is, .500.

  117. Axtell on April 26th, 2008 8:53 pm

    Putz can use the work as he hasn’t pitched much since coming off the DL.

  118. beckya57 on April 26th, 2008 8:54 pm

    Read and be depressed: George Sherrill just saved his ninth–yes, you read that right–game for the Orioles.

  119. opiate82 on April 26th, 2008 8:54 pm

    Tieing runs on deck, is it now a save?

  120. msb on April 26th, 2008 8:54 pm

    seeing the shot in LA, Danley is one of the umps who wears the extra throat protector, as well

  121. strong silence on April 26th, 2008 8:55 pm

    Another thing Bavasi and Shapiro have in common is having hired managers who prefer their bullpens to have well-defined roles.

  122. G-Germ on April 26th, 2008 8:56 pm

    From what I recall, you can’t pitch yourself into a save situation, although I may be wrong.

  123. Carson on April 26th, 2008 8:56 pm

    Are these idiots really booing JJ?

    Give me a damn break.

  124. HamNasty on April 26th, 2008 8:56 pm

    Carson- I think they were directed at the ump.

  125. joser on April 26th, 2008 8:56 pm

    Somebody tell JJ that if you enter in a non-save situation you can’t turn it into a save situation by putting guys on.

  126. Carson on April 26th, 2008 8:56 pm

    No, you cannot pitch yourself into a save situation.

  127. paulkersey on April 26th, 2008 8:57 pm

    Sims just said that a lot’s expected from this ballclub. What I want to know is, WHY?? Isn’t the lack of talent (with a few exceptions) obvious? They’re playing at exactly the level I expected, that is, .500.

    Perception is reality and the front office has created the perception that the Ms are a legitimate contender this year. The traditional press has swallowed it because the Bedard and Silva acquisitions seemed like the acts of a club that’s serious about winning.

    One of these years I would like a really terrible team or a really good team. Mediocrity is the pits.

  128. Rick L on April 26th, 2008 8:57 pm

    118. No. You can’t pitch yourself into a save situation.

  129. Carson on April 26th, 2008 8:58 pm

    Carson- I think they were directed at the ump.

    Ah. Well, they’re still idiots then. He’s missing, and they aren’t that close.

  130. gmarkf on April 26th, 2008 8:58 pm

    Anyone else tired of Sims constantly complaining about how cold it is every night at Safeco. We get it already, you’re cold. Get over it.

  131. PaulMolitorCocktail on April 26th, 2008 8:59 pm

    “We’ve got issues now.”

    Thanks for the news bulletin, Walter Cronkite.

  132. strong silence on April 26th, 2008 8:59 pm

    So nobody gives McLaren credit for using JJ in a non-save situation?

  133. beckya57 on April 26th, 2008 8:59 pm

    Msb, did the Danley hit look as bad as it sounded? Did you see where he got hit?

    Dodgers announcer: “Looks like Bedard’s going to win his first game for Seattle, barring a meltdown in the 9th. They have JJ Putz in.” Are they trying to jinx us or what? Something for us to all keep in mind, though; we could be in Dallas watching the Rangers fall to pieces. Could be worse.

  134. bteddy on April 26th, 2008 8:59 pm

    JJ is having a hard time keeping his pitches down.

  135. Rick L on April 26th, 2008 9:00 pm

    No more DP situaion.

  136. hairofthedawg on April 26th, 2008 9:00 pm

    What do you expect in WA? It’s a whiny state.

  137. Rick L on April 26th, 2008 9:00 pm

    or situation.

  138. scott19 on April 26th, 2008 9:00 pm

    Somebody tell JJ that if you enter in a non-save situation you can’t turn it into a save situation by putting guys on.

    No kidding — I mean, if JJ is auditioning for Arson Squad: Seattle, we definitely are in trouble!

  139. bteddy on April 26th, 2008 9:01 pm

    There goes the DP chance. JJ is going to have to pitch his way out of this–not looking good.

  140. Rick L on April 26th, 2008 9:01 pm

    Not only is he blowing this save, but he is wearing himself out for tomorrow.

  141. joser on April 26th, 2008 9:01 pm

    It’s traditional to boo non-strike calls when you really want a strike. It’s not like most of the fans in the stands are in a position to accurately judge the pitches relative to the zone.

    Here’s the full Rule 10.20

    Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions:
    (1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and
    (2) He is not the winning pitcher; and
    (3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions:
    - (a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning; or
    - (b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces; or
    - (c) He pitches effectively for at least three innings. No more than one save may be credited in each game.

    Note the “enters” wording. The three inning rule is how you can end up with a save even when your team won by a bijillion runs.

  142. beckya57 on April 26th, 2008 9:01 pm

    Paulkersey: I’d actually sort of welcome a terrible year, as long as it was d/t the rebuilding with youth that this team seems to be determined to put off indefinitely.

  143. strong silence on April 26th, 2008 9:02 pm

    thank you. When we eat beef and get cancer, we complain because we know better. However in Iowa…

  144. bteddy on April 26th, 2008 9:02 pm

    That works.

  145. walkie83 on April 26th, 2008 9:03 pm

    If I were there I’d be booing JJ… he is sucking it up! He has a case of the o’flaherity

  146. gmarkf on April 26th, 2008 9:03 pm

    I don’t think Sims is from WA.

  147. beckya57 on April 26th, 2008 9:03 pm

    Bringing in Putz definitely looks like a bad call. Even if he escapes, he’ll probably be unavailable tomorrow, when they might have an actual save situation.

  148. joser on April 26th, 2008 9:03 pm

    I think Putz probably couldn’t find the grip for his splitter tonight, so he’s throwing almost nothing but fastballs. Some of those wild pitches might’ve been him trying for the splitter. Just a guess.

  149. beckya57 on April 26th, 2008 9:04 pm

    Wow, 4-pitch walk. He looks awful out there.

  150. walkie83 on April 26th, 2008 9:05 pm

    I’m glad we are getting this performance out when it isn’t a save situation… otherwise… we’d lose! Wait.. i don’t want to say that too early.. as we still might if he doesn’t throw a strike!

  151. ndrfx on April 26th, 2008 9:05 pm

    Must have been one hell of a Friday night for JJ. Too much Keystone Light.

  152. walkie83 on April 26th, 2008 9:05 pm

    Thank you Sweeney! Way to check swing the FIRST pitch after a 4-pitch walk!

  153. HamNasty on April 26th, 2008 9:06 pm

    Well that was an unnecessary raise in blood pressure. Finally a W.

  154. paulkersey on April 26th, 2008 9:06 pm

    Paulkersey: I’d actually sort of welcome a terrible year, as long as it was d/t the rebuilding with youth that this team seems to be determined to put off indefinitely.

    It’s looking increasingly likely that it will take a terrible year with creaky veterans for management to go into rebuilding mode. Or they could fire Bavasi before that happens…

  155. jefffrane on April 26th, 2008 9:07 pm

    Kudos to Jamie Burke. I’d give him the Save.

  156. paulkersey on April 26th, 2008 9:08 pm

    I’m only 21, but I can’t remember a time when the Ms were actually rebuilding. Has to be close to 20 years without really doing it, which is kind of scary.

  157. Paul L on April 26th, 2008 9:08 pm

    Shhhhh…Nicole Zaloumis is talking.

  158. scott19 on April 26th, 2008 9:09 pm

    The three inning rule is how you can end up with a save even when your team won by a bijillion runs.

    Yeah, I remember a time some years back in a game against the Jays where Paniagua got a “save” in a game where we wound up about ten runs up at the end.

    Then again, there was also that emergency situation that Wes Littleton of the Rangers found himself in last year where he got a “save” against the O’s — with like a 28-run lead! :)

  159. bteddy on April 26th, 2008 9:09 pm

    Beckya57, I disagree with you. A terrible year would not make this team rebuild, especially under this ownership. It would lead to trading prospects for mid-level talent–or–too many prospects for decent talent (e.g. Erik Bedard–though I liked the trade, but I don’t want to see a bunch of those types of moves). The best part of baseball is hope.

    I am drunk.

  160. paulkersey on April 26th, 2008 9:10 pm

    Yeah, I remember a time some years back in a game against the Jays where Paniagua got a “save” in a game where we wound up about ten runs up at the end.
    Then again, there was also that emergency situation that Wes Littleton of the Rangers found himself in last year where he got a “save” against the O’s — with like a 28-run lead!

    I wish MLB wasn’t so reticent to make rule changes. Wins and saves are silly, silly stats that need to be fixed in a bad way.

  161. Scooter4 on April 26th, 2008 9:10 pm

    If I were there I’d be booing JJ… he is sucking it up! He has a case of the o’flaherity

    Yeah, because that will get results. I can never understand why fans would boo their own players.

  162. joser on April 26th, 2008 9:18 pm

    Yeah, it’s the “beatings will continue until morale improves” form of fan support. I’m sure the player goes “Wait, I’m getting boos! What the… hey, what do you know, I’m sucking! I did not notice that before! Thank you, kind fans, now that I’m aware of my performance, I shall immediately begin to excel!”

  163. msb on April 26th, 2008 9:20 pm

    apparently Penny’s 95+ pitch went straight past the catcher & smacked Danley in the jaw, and he went straight over backward.

  164. Axtell on April 26th, 2008 9:21 pm

    I don’t understand the so-called fans booing the home town team either, as it makes zero sense.

    I’d like to see any of these clowns who boo their own players how they’d like to have people booing them at work.

  165. FireBavasi on April 26th, 2008 9:21 pm

    It’s looking increasingly likely that it will take a terrible year with creaky veterans for management to go into rebuilding mode. Or they could fire Bavasi before that happens…

    I’m for that idea.

  166. paulkersey on April 26th, 2008 9:28 pm

    Really, FireBavasi? You’re for firing Bavasi? Who knew?

  167. Breadbaker on April 26th, 2008 9:34 pm

    What saved the game for us is that Sweeney runs like Edgar with a leg brace. No way they’re making any other play on that dribbler.

  168. shortbus on April 26th, 2008 10:33 pm

    155: On booing…

    The object of booing should not be one’s own players, but one’s own Manager and FO. Of course the player will feel it, too, but we don’t have any other way of letting McLaren and Bavasi know that many of us think that the player in question should no longer be allowed to stink up the joint. Thus booing Sexson from about July onward last year was good and right.

    That said…booing Putz STILL makes no sense. The guy hasn’t played much lately and is most likely just shaking off the cobwebs. Did you notice that he hit the exact same spot just high and outside to a left-handed hitter with 97 MPH heat? He’s just a little off right now.

  169. scott19 on April 26th, 2008 11:35 pm

    Or they could fire Bavasi before that happens…</blockquot

    Or, we could always hire this guy…

  170. scott19 on April 26th, 2008 11:39 pm

    Let’s try that link again:

    http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=90efe82d-34af-489d-8e73-0cf510b4eae1&k=43192

    Hmm…the ‘Nucks go “SABR” before the M’s do…who knew?!

  171. John D. on April 27th, 2008 1:06 am

    Re: # 111 (and others) -

    I’m surprised they would use JJ in a non-save situation.

    W/R/T: Dave Sims stated that closers don’t do well in non-save situations.
    Does anyone know of any published data on this?

    BTW, Anyone: (Bases loaded, a force at every base.) Was Burke in a position to tag the runner coming in from 3rd, or tag the plate?

  172. Rick L on April 27th, 2008 5:38 am

    171 That was my original thought, but the ball was hit slowly, and the runner was already nearly home. On the replay, it looked like it was a safer play to go to first.

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