Game 27, Mariners at Indians

DMZ · April 29, 2008 at 3:05 pm · Filed Under Mariners, Off-topic ranting 

Silva v Carmona. 4:05 our time.

CF Ichiro
2B Lopez
LF Ibanez
3B Beltre
DH Vidro
1B Sexson
RF Wilkerson
C Johjima
SS Betancourt

Carlos Silva and Fausto Carmona both carry the sinkerballer label, but they are total opposites. Silva isn’t really a groundball guy anymore, but just throws a ton of strikes and hopes the results work out for him. Carmona throws a nasty, diving “turbo sinker”, but has lost his ability to put the ball in the strike zone with regularity.

The Mariners need to let Carmona get himself in trouble. An aggressive mindset against him is just going to lead to a lot of weak groundouts. Take the walk, boys.

Comments

216 Responses to “Game 27, Mariners at Indians”

  1. lailaihei on April 29th, 2008 3:12 pm

    Implosion of ERAs imminent… I expect 10+ runs given up by starters in this game…

    Silva:
    4.13 FIP
    4.51 xFIP
    2.83 ERA
    2006 FB speed: 91.9
    2008 FB speed: 89.3

    Carmona:
    5.35 FIP
    5.61 xFIP
    2.89 ERA
    2006 FB speed: 94.1
    2008 FB speed: 92.2

  2. joser on April 29th, 2008 3:14 pm

    Neither Cleveland nor Toronto ever seem far enough east to be in the time zone they’re in.

    I still love rolling “Fausto Carmona” off my tongue in the mode of Ricard Montalban extolling the virtues of rich, Corinthian leather. It sounds like the name of the rich but evil playboy who seduces all the village women in some Argentinian telenovela.

    Meanwhile, back in baseball, it looks like he’s picked up exactly where he left off last year, or maybe even slightly better. And it’s not like Silva is going be bringing any surprises to the Indians.

  3. okobojicat on April 29th, 2008 3:29 pm

    Where is Norton? Did he lose his spot to Mr. Weak-ground-ball-to-second because he didn’t get any hits on the off-day?

  4. Mr. Egaas on April 29th, 2008 3:29 pm

    I’m a huge, huge Fausto Carmona fan.

  5. jlc on April 29th, 2008 3:32 pm

    joser–I used to live in Grand Rapids, MI, which is in the eastern time zone, but so far west, there was dark twilight until about 10 in June.

    I always think “Fausto” Carmona sold his soul to the devil and doesn’t give a damn who knows it.

  6. Wallingfjord on April 29th, 2008 3:37 pm

    Time to bust out the “Where’s Wlad?” sign…

  7. msb on April 29th, 2008 3:39 pm

    Carlos Silva and Fausto Carmona both carry the sinkerballer label, but they are total opposites.

    interestingly, Carlos is labeled as being only 15 lbs bigger than Fausto, but …..

  8. Sentinel on April 29th, 2008 3:40 pm

    Time to bust out the “Where’s Wlad?” sign…

    Only if you put a picture of Wlad’s head on Waldo’s body. That’d be great.

    Seriously, Wlad and Clement tore it up yesterday. I hope to see some call-ups soon.

  9. LewLegend on April 29th, 2008 3:46 pm

    How about “Free Wlad?”…wait, we tried that and that sold our future to Baltimore.

  10. jlc on April 29th, 2008 3:46 pm

    From Baker:

    Manager John McLaren said during his pre-game session with reporters and he said Jeff Clement and Wladimir Balentien will likely be up here “sooner than later.”…

    McLaren said that when Clement and Balentien do get called up, they’re going to play. It’s different, he added, from the Adam Jones situation last year when the players he would have replaced all started to hit and were doing well during a playoff chase. Hear what McLaren actually said right here in this clip.

    “We kind of just mixed him in whenever we could,” McLaren said of Jones. “It’s a little differnet now, w2e have guys that are struggling. If we bring them up, we’re going to play them.”

    Whatever. I’ll believe it when I see it.

  11. Jeff Nye on April 29th, 2008 3:55 pm

    “Turbo sinker”.

    I see what you did there.

    I see an 0-for-4 night with three groundouts in the future for illustrious DH.

  12. Ollie in Raleigh on April 29th, 2008 4:00 pm

    Our 5-6-7….good grief! I’m trying to think of another team who’s 5-6-7 is any further from heaven than ours. Let’s hope Carmona can’t find the strike zone.

    go m’s…sigh.

  13. Evan on April 29th, 2008 4:11 pm

    Let’s hope Carmona can’t find the strike zone.

    Like that would make a difference to those guys.

  14. arbeck on April 29th, 2008 4:12 pm

    I find the gamecast strikezone even weirder than joe’s tracer.

  15. NateDawgUS on April 29th, 2008 4:12 pm

    Is it just me or does FSN HD have a really bad looking HD feed today?

  16. Jeff Nye on April 29th, 2008 4:14 pm

    I think we should rename the position every time the Mariners run Turbo out there.

    Perhaps “Designated Non-Hitter”? “Designated Sucker”? “High Guardian of the Mendoza Line”?

  17. CaptainPoopy on April 29th, 2008 4:15 pm

    NateDawg

    It’s usually that bad. Dont know why

  18. arbeck on April 29th, 2008 4:15 pm

    I would tell vidro he’s fired if he even thinks about swinging the bat today.

  19. NateDawgUS on April 29th, 2008 4:16 pm

    It just seems a lot different today compared to other games recently and it’s really only the centerfield camera that looks bad. Everything else looks fine.

  20. CaptainPoopy on April 29th, 2008 4:16 pm

    I like the “High Guardian of the Mendoza Line” tag.

  21. CaptainPoopy on April 29th, 2008 4:17 pm

    Nate-

    Yea, it seems to happen twice a week for me

  22. galaxieboi on April 29th, 2008 4:18 pm

    Good Lord. I think the team all read Derek’s intro to today’s game thread.

  23. arbeck on April 29th, 2008 4:20 pm

    Did richie not get the memo?

  24. CaptainPoopy on April 29th, 2008 4:21 pm

    He can’t even get the ball out of the infield. He’s a terrible ball player right now.

  25. galaxieboi on April 29th, 2008 4:21 pm

    F***. Where’s the fork graphic?

  26. Swungonandbelted on April 29th, 2008 4:21 pm

    Richie Rally Killer strikes again… (or grounds out weakly to the infield)

  27. Bernoulli on April 29th, 2008 4:22 pm

    I’m just waiting until we can call him “Designated For Assignment.”

  28. HamNasty on April 29th, 2008 4:22 pm

    The economy really is in the pits. 14 Million dollars can’t even buy you an RBI anymore…

  29. dlb on April 29th, 2008 4:23 pm

    “Take the walk, boys.”

    AH HAHH AHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! As if the Mariners have ever ever ever had a game plan which included a strategy to knock out a pitcher based on discipline and taking pitches. That strategy has been put in the closet with the rest of the 2001 M’s memorabilia.

  30. Sentinel on April 29th, 2008 4:23 pm

    After seeing that, I have to ask this:

    What are the odds of turning Clement into a 1st baseman?

    I mean, Joh’s already been signed, so he’ll be around to handle behind the plate.

  31. CaptainPoopy on April 29th, 2008 4:25 pm

    27/28

    Thanks… I needed a laugh after that ground out.

  32. Dave Clapper on April 29th, 2008 4:26 pm

    Personally, I like “Designated Plate Appearer.”

  33. _David_ on April 29th, 2008 4:28 pm

    Not the most promising start for our sinkerballer.

  34. pgreyy on April 29th, 2008 4:30 pm

    Well, Kenji WAS set up inside…

    Carlos is merely guilty of overdelivering on that expectation.

    ::cough::

  35. Swungonandbelted on April 29th, 2008 4:31 pm

    Can we petition MLB to let our pitchers hit, and have our DH bat for Sexson until he gets DFA’d?

  36. Jeff Nye on April 29th, 2008 4:31 pm

    I’m just waiting until we can call him “Designated For Assignment.”

    This is my favorite post of this game thread so far.

  37. HamNasty on April 29th, 2008 4:32 pm

    Carlos Silva, the luckiest thrower on earth.

  38. _David_ on April 29th, 2008 4:34 pm

    35- Maybe we could swap divisions with the D-backs…

  39. HamNasty on April 29th, 2008 4:39 pm

    Wow, we can’t even run ourselves out of a DP. That is talent.

  40. galaxieboi on April 29th, 2008 4:39 pm

    Even with Wilkerson running… Haha.

  41. scraps on April 29th, 2008 4:40 pm

    It’s different, he added, from the Adam Jones situation last year when the players he would have replaced all started to hit and were doing well during a playoff chase

    Gaaaaaaah.

  42. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 4:41 pm

    Has anybody ever looked at Tim Redding’s player card on espn.com? Am I alone in thinking that his beard looks to have been digitally super-imposed or maybe even airbrushed on?

  43. Mike G. on April 29th, 2008 4:45 pm

    Watching Silva up close you’d think it was 93 degrees in Cleveland.

  44. naviomelo on April 29th, 2008 4:52 pm

    Does anyone find it striking that Lopez’s average is .314 and his OBP is .315?

  45. _David_ on April 29th, 2008 4:55 pm

    Bunting hurts OBP but not average.

  46. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 4:55 pm

    Does anyone find it striking that Lopez’s average is .314 and his OBP is .315?

    Compare that to Jack Cust who’s hitting .169 with a .379 OBP.

  47. NateDawgUS on April 29th, 2008 4:55 pm

    Who said Jose Vidro would suck today? Just shows how much predictions count for.

  48. Evan R. on April 29th, 2008 4:56 pm

    naviomelo – I’d say that’s a function of his 7 sac flies.

  49. naviomelo on April 29th, 2008 4:57 pm

    Sexson’s already at a -.138 WPA.

  50. sad_loyal_fan on April 29th, 2008 4:58 pm

    Five stranded through three. 8 of 9 pounded to the dirt. Ugh.

  51. Mike G. on April 29th, 2008 4:58 pm

    Soooo after the first time through the line-up where the M’s showed some patience the second time through they’re back to hacking.

    Did McLaren have to beg his line-up to try the patience thing at least once? Because I imagine Raul stepping up in the clubhouse saying “OK Mac, we’ll give it a shot but only for all our first at bats. We’re veterans and we know how to handle our business. Just for you though we’ll give it a try. But if we don’t knock him out by the third with your “strategy”, well Mac, let’s just say you go back to doing what you do best: Managing the ‘Pen.”

  52. joser on April 29th, 2008 4:59 pm

    David Dellucci, your Raul Ibanez doppleganger.

  53. zvazda on April 29th, 2008 5:00 pm

    Interestingly enough, after Vidro’s double we had a 51% chance of winning… but after Big Sexy’s groundout we drop to 44% chance.

    I realize that in a tie game the home team would get the higher probability of winning… but 6 whole percentage points?

    Who knew.

  54. sad_loyal_fan on April 29th, 2008 5:01 pm

    53 – Home team had three more outs to burn at that point.

  55. HamNasty on April 29th, 2008 5:02 pm

    With Hafner struggling the pain of Sexson struggling doesn’t feel as bad.

  56. zvazda on April 29th, 2008 5:03 pm

    3% for the first out
    2% for the second out
    1% for the third out

    Now at 50 percent.

    At the end of an inning the home team doesnt have a slightly higher probability to win.

    Am i the only one a little surprised by that?

  57. HamNasty on April 29th, 2008 5:06 pm

    Is Clement ready to punch himself in the face? I hope so…

  58. Mike G. on April 29th, 2008 5:06 pm

    Wow two GiDP’s for Johjima. I guess Raul was lonely at the top being the only one with 5 on the year.

  59. red_devil20 on April 29th, 2008 5:06 pm

    I really don’t want to be reactionary… but c’mon, 4 outs in two at bats? May 7th can’t get here fast enough. Time for Clement!

  60. Evan R. on April 29th, 2008 5:08 pm

    Am I wrong to pronounce Balentien “bah-LEN-tee-en”? It seems like that would be the proper pronunciation based on the Spanish language. “Bal-en-teen” seems like the bastardized, Anglicized way to say it.

  61. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 5:10 pm

    Why on earth can’t we just sign Barry Bonds? I know why. Because the Ms are family-friendly. But why is family-friendly such a great thing to be?

    The Rays play their home games at Disney World, the most family-friendly place on the planet, and can barely draw 10,000 fans. More people would come out to see Barry Bonds than would stay home to avoid him. There would be bad press, but so what? I’m sure the Oklahoma Sonics will be a rousing success, and they’ve had enough bad press for 10 franchises.

  62. galaxieboi on April 29th, 2008 5:12 pm

    Holy crap. Did Wilkerson just jump and catch a ball?!? I’m listening and can’t see anything!!

  63. HamNasty on April 29th, 2008 5:13 pm

    WILK! Having a nice lil game so far.

  64. Snowman on April 29th, 2008 5:14 pm

    galaxieboi:

    if 6″ constitutes a “jump,” then yes.

  65. forte40 on April 29th, 2008 5:15 pm

    I refuse to call it a jump, as it required leaping more then an inch off the ground. But still, nice hustle.

  66. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 5:15 pm

    Neither Cleveland nor Toronto ever seem far enough east to be in the time zone they’re in.

    And Detroit’s also in that time zone as well…go figure!

    Actually, that old NL alignment was very strange: Atlanta & Cincinnati in the NL West, while the Cubbies and Cards (in CDT/CST) were in the NL East…yikes!

  67. galaxieboi on April 29th, 2008 5:16 pm

    Oh, okay. Whomever was calling it made it sound like it was a Cameron-style jump.

  68. marinersintheblood on April 29th, 2008 5:21 pm

    Did Carmona just walk Beltre on purpose, to pitch to Turbo?

    Patience only pays off if everyone’s playing that game.

  69. MyOhMy on April 29th, 2008 5:22 pm

    TURBO!!

  70. forte40 on April 29th, 2008 5:22 pm

    TURBO!!

  71. msb on April 29th, 2008 5:22 pm

    I finally found a way that sums up this offense for myself.

  72. marinersintheblood on April 29th, 2008 5:22 pm

    proved me wrong. hallelujah.

  73. Evan R. on April 29th, 2008 5:22 pm

    Looks like Turbo just bought himself another month or two of ABs. Damn.

  74. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 5:23 pm

    I was just looking at the plate discipline leader board at Fan Graphs sorted by percentage of out-of-zone pitches a batter swings at, and the Ms don’t have a single player in the top 50.

    Ichiro (Mr. Plate Discipline Himself) is the best on the team in swinging at 20.35% of non-strikes. This is good for 72nd overall.

  75. Rick L on April 29th, 2008 5:23 pm

    The Mariners need to let Carmona get himself in trouble. An aggressive mindset against him is just going to lead to a lot of weak groundouts. Take the walk, boys.
    Richie didn’t get the memo.

  76. naviomelo on April 29th, 2008 5:25 pm

    Sexson: -.201 WPA and counting.

  77. lailaihei on April 29th, 2008 5:25 pm

    Sexson is vying for most LOB ever.

  78. msb on April 29th, 2008 5:26 pm

    Personally, I like “Designated Plate Appearer.”

    Designated Plate Clearer?

  79. Gawd129 on April 29th, 2008 5:26 pm

    Good ol’ SeKson

  80. Mike G. on April 29th, 2008 5:27 pm

    -scott19
    speaking of the screwy NL alignments, does anybody remember ’93 when the Giants won a 103 games second only to the Braves 104. Giants who actually played in the west and had the second best record in all of baseball that year didn’t even get to the playoffs. That always bothered me and geographical injustices aren’t even that high on my list of pet peeves.

  81. MyOhMy on April 29th, 2008 5:28 pm

    Can Dick Sexson’s ultra sensitive ears hear me booing right now?

  82. pgreyy on April 29th, 2008 5:28 pm

    There’s this sense that I get with Mac…that he sits in the dug-out, scratches his head and says something like:

    “You know, I just don’t know what to expect with these guys. I just don’t have any way of knowing what they’re going to do. You think that one of your pitchers is going to do well, because they’ve been doing well…and then they stink up the joint. Then, you’re about ready to pull the trigger on a guy who isn’t producing at the plate…and then they get a couple of hits and I don’t want to pull ‘em in case they’re getting hot. I mean…what am I supposed to do?

    And that confusion is the extent of his participation in the process.

    That makes me sad.

  83. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 5:29 pm

    More people would come out to see Barry Bonds than would stay home to avoid him.

    And probably more people would come out to see him launch a few HR’s than came out to see the ever-so-fan-friendly Carl “No Dinosaurs” Everett choke at plate consistently a couple of years ago.

    Not advocating…just saying.

  84. msb on April 29th, 2008 5:31 pm

    so, Turbo & Wilk heard Mac discussing how those young fellas will play when they come up, but Richie & Joh were out of the room?

  85. Mike G. on April 29th, 2008 5:33 pm

    -Paul I looked at that board too and wouldn’t you know it but USSM endorsed acquisition Nick Johnson is right at the top of the list.

  86. Evan R. on April 29th, 2008 5:33 pm

    Oh my god, did anyone see that grimace on Wilk’s face when he looked towards the plate after that last single? Almost as if to say, “oh no, not the DP machine again.”

  87. red_devil20 on April 29th, 2008 5:33 pm

    This just in, in bizzaro world, Turbo and Wilk are a combined 5 for 5 today.

  88. mariners23 on April 29th, 2008 5:34 pm

    gosh Kenji is good!!!

  89. HamNasty on April 29th, 2008 5:34 pm

    Evan- No, that was the collective USSM grimace from around the nation.

  90. JMHawkins on April 29th, 2008 5:35 pm

    Because the Ms are family-friendly

    A real family-friendly team wouldn’t do so many things to make their fans to swear so much.

  91. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 5:35 pm

    And if you read the other post about Nick Johnson, Mike, you’ll know that we should snag him now before his stats start matching up with his underlying performance.

  92. Rick L on April 29th, 2008 5:36 pm

    Ichiro is really sucking.

  93. MyOhMy on April 29th, 2008 5:36 pm

    The M’s just love handing out $8M/yr contracts to vets who are getting old …

  94. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 5:36 pm

    A real family-friendly team wouldn’t do so many things to make their fans to swear so much.

    Haha. True that.

  95. MyOhMy on April 29th, 2008 5:38 pm

    Damn, Sizemore kills Silva!

  96. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 5:38 pm

    From the Fun With Projected Season Totals Department: Curtis Granderson is on pace to go 20/20/20/20 again. That’s 20 homers, 20 triples, 20 doubles, and 20 caught-stealings.

  97. Mike G. on April 29th, 2008 5:39 pm

    I whole heartedly agree Paul. Unfortunately I’m not in the position to pull the trigger on that deal at this time. My apologies.

  98. msb on April 29th, 2008 5:39 pm

    did Ichiro punch himself in the face? because he is hitting like he had little stars & birds floating around his head…

    FWIW, Verducci hashed over the ‘nobody wants Barry’ story again today

  99. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 5:40 pm

    Some help you are…

  100. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 5:40 pm

    speaking of the screwy NL alignments, does anybody remember ‘93 when the Giants won a 103 games second only to the Braves 104

    Mike — Oh, man…I could feel the collective pain in my heart for Giant Nation when that injustice happened! As much as a few of the flat-earth/no-lights-at-Wrigley/move-the-Dodgers-back-to-Brooklyn/do-absolutely-nothing-to-ever-alter-the-game “purists” might’ve bitched about the Wild Card (and accompanying realignment) coming into existence, it really wasn’t a moment too soon to have happened IMO.

  101. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 5:41 pm

    did Ichiro punch himself in the face? because he is hitting like he had little stars & birds floating around his head…

    He must have said that he liked being in Cleveland earlier today.

  102. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 5:45 pm

    When Turbo and Wilk are both hitting on the same day, I’m looking out the window to see if a plague of locusts is descending.

  103. profmac on April 29th, 2008 5:45 pm

    Nice job by yuni keeping that ball from slipping through and scoring the run. He REALLY IS a magician!

  104. msb on April 29th, 2008 5:51 pm

    hmm. there were all those frogs dropping from the sky on the walk home …

  105. naviomelo on April 29th, 2008 5:51 pm

    Rizzs just said Grover is at the game. Did they show him on TV? (That’s it for Carmona!)

  106. north on April 29th, 2008 5:51 pm

    FWIW, Verducci hashed over the ‘nobody wants Barry’ story again today

    And it is not worth much. Bonds should be playing.

    Verducci’s team du jour dissing Bonds was Toronto. Bonds would improve a number of teams even if he plays only one of every two games – including the Ms.

  107. profmac on April 29th, 2008 5:54 pm

    Wow, this guy can pitch and eat hot dogs like a crazy boar. A-Mazing!

  108. pygmalion on April 29th, 2008 5:55 pm

    You know, it’s not as if the only reason not to sign Barry Bonds is so as to avoid offending people. The Mariners might *themselves* be repulsed by the idea of having Barry on the team. Frankly, so am I.

  109. marinersintheblood on April 29th, 2008 5:55 pm

    Kobayashi! Someone get that guy a hot dog.

  110. Evan R. on April 29th, 2008 5:55 pm

    Anyone know where I can find in-game, inning-by-inning pitch counts?

  111. pgreyy on April 29th, 2008 6:01 pm

    RE: Bonds

    And, really, is the solution to the M’s woes a really old guy who can’t run, can’t defend…who could be easily pitched around?

    (The only thing it would change would be the name of the old slow guy who keeps getting left on base or involved in an inning ending double play.)

  112. Mike G. on April 29th, 2008 6:01 pm

    Kobayashi’s career NPB stats if anybody was curious.

  113. profmac on April 29th, 2008 6:03 pm

    GULP!!! that was close..

  114. forte40 on April 29th, 2008 6:03 pm

    RAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUL!!

  115. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 6:03 pm

    Kobayashi! Someone get that guy a hot dog.

    Maybe Nathan’s will reschedule their hot dog eating competition this year to when the Tribe are in town to play the Yanks — then he can enter again! :)

  116. pgreyy on April 29th, 2008 6:03 pm

    Mike Morse wouldn’t have caught that.

  117. juustabitoutside on April 29th, 2008 6:03 pm

    Looks like those Acme rocket skates Derek wanted for Raul finally came in.

  118. Mike G. on April 29th, 2008 6:03 pm

    I’m going to give Raul a few “U’s” for that. Not that it was particularly impressive but…

  119. HamNasty on April 29th, 2008 6:04 pm

    What is up with our defense? They are making plays and stuff… It is truly bizarro day.

  120. SeabassP on April 29th, 2008 6:04 pm

    Adam Jones would have got…oh wait…

  121. hawgdriver on April 29th, 2008 6:05 pm

    Raul, you slapped the AJ monkey off your back for at least 5 minutes. Nice play.

  122. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 6:06 pm

    You know, it’s not as if the only reason not to sign Barry Bonds is so as to avoid offending people. The Mariners might *themselves* be repulsed by the idea of having Barry on the team. Frankly, so am I.

    I think if a player is allowed to play by MLB then I don’t want my team being sanctimonious and refusing to sign him. If a player can clearly help your team and you can afford him, you are absolutely remiss in not acquiring that player. No amount of bad mojo outweighs a .500 OBP and a home run every 10 or so at-bats.

    How many times does it need to be said that professional athletes are not and should not be role models?

  123. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 6:08 pm

    Hmm…defensive gems…offense from guys who haven’t been hitting…can this really be the same M’s we’ve been watching?

  124. juustabitoutside on April 29th, 2008 6:08 pm

    Is there a rule in Japan that a pitcher must have something distinctive about his windup?

    It’s kinda cool.

  125. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 6:08 pm

    And, really, is the solution to the M’s woes a really old guy who can’t run, can’t defend…who could be easily pitched around?

    (The only thing it would change would be the name of the old slow guy who keeps getting left on base or involved in an inning ending double play.)

    That’s absurdly reductive. Bonds is astronomically better than Sexson. If we get better production out of our current lineup or make some acquisitions or even if nothing changes at all, having a player who gets on base half the time could not possibly be anything but helpful.

  126. circlechange32 on April 29th, 2008 6:11 pm

    is there a reason why Wilkerson is running for himself?

  127. juustabitoutside on April 29th, 2008 6:11 pm

    Comic relief?

  128. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 6:12 pm

    And now, Yuni’s turn to get lucky on a grounder…

  129. pygmalion on April 29th, 2008 6:12 pm

    paulkersey:

    I don’t see why any of the points you mentioned tell.

    First, who cares what MLB decides? I can make my own decisions.

    Second, no one’s goal in life is to “maximize baseball production.” If that is your own only goal in life, then congratulations, you’re a sociopath.

    Third, who cares about role models? I don’t care how Barry influences others. I care about that fact that he polluted all of the most important Major League hitting records. I don’t want a guy like that in baseball. Period.

  130. HamNasty on April 29th, 2008 6:13 pm

    Ichiro take the gift and use it! Maybe a gift, tough call.

  131. HamNasty on April 29th, 2008 6:15 pm

    pygmalion- Do you just not want Barry in baseball? Or all steroid users?
    I am not being an ass, I am actually writing a paper on this and would love some input.

  132. Jeff Nye on April 29th, 2008 6:16 pm

    C’mon, guys. Let’s not rehash the Bonds discussion again.

    Please?

  133. pygmalion on April 29th, 2008 6:19 pm

    HamNasty:

    I don’t think that all steroid users need to be out of the game, but I don’t want to commit to “just Barry” because then someone is going to say, “Ah, but what about player X?” It’s not that the guy just used steroids. It’s not just that he cheated. It’s that he cheated and trampled over the record book and, finally, looks like he would jump at the chance to do it again.

  134. pygmalion on April 29th, 2008 6:19 pm

    Okay I’ll stop.

  135. Mike G. on April 29th, 2008 6:20 pm

    Any post with Bonds/Griffey should be on an express flight to the mod queue.

  136. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 6:20 pm

    I don’t see why any of the points you mentioned tell.

    First, who cares what MLB decides? I can make my own decisions.

    Second, no one’s goal in life is to “maximize baseball production.” If that is your own only goal in life, then congratulations, you’re a sociopath.

    Third, who cares about role models? I don’t care how Barry influences others. I care about that fact that he polluted all of the most important Major League hitting records. I don’t want a guy like that in baseball. Period.

    1) The Mariners exist to provide entertainment by winning baseball games. You certainly can make your own decisions, but you don’t run a baseball team and the people who do should not let personal hangups prevent them from doing their jobs. Should a Christian GM be forgiven for passing on a Satanist who can rake?

    2) Who on earth said that their only goal in life is to maximize baseball production? Why the quotation marks? Are you calling me a sociopath? Uh…okay.

    3) Again, this is your deal. I think that we need to limit our judgments of baseball players, as much as possible, to their capacities as baseball players. MLB handles off-field discipline (however imperfectly), and I think we should keep it that way. Obviously the rules need improvement, but you’re advocating the baseball equivalent of vigilante justice.

  137. HamNasty on April 29th, 2008 6:20 pm

    Pygmalion- Thanks.

    You got in Jeff.

    I pray McLaren has people up in the pen already in case of emergency.

  138. NBarnes on April 29th, 2008 6:20 pm

    Just put in Putz. Do it now. Sizemore is on base for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th hitters. Putz. Now.

  139. Mike G. on April 29th, 2008 6:21 pm

    Comment not post.

  140. forte40 on April 29th, 2008 6:21 pm

    is silva almost done for tonight?

  141. juustabitoutside on April 29th, 2008 6:21 pm

    How ’bout them ponies?

  142. planB on April 29th, 2008 6:22 pm

    Is it just me or does FSN HD have a really bad looking HD feed today?

    No, it looks like widescreen SD… maybe it’s the cameras in Cleveland?

  143. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 6:22 pm

    Uh-oh…hope Carlos isn’t having a hamstring issue again.

  144. Rick L on April 29th, 2008 6:23 pm

    This game seems eerily familiar.

  145. Jeff Nye on April 29th, 2008 6:24 pm

    Thanks, guys. I don’t like removing posts if I don’t have to.

    Also, I should apparently make fun of Turbo more often.

  146. forte40 on April 29th, 2008 6:24 pm

    watch out for them diamond earrings!

  147. NBarnes on April 29th, 2008 6:24 pm

    Rhodes. *roflcoptor* I told you, McLaren, and you didn’t listen….

  148. NateDawgUS on April 29th, 2008 6:24 pm

    It’s like Groundhog’s Day…

  149. naviomelo on April 29th, 2008 6:25 pm

    Rhodes is coming in.

  150. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 6:26 pm

    Stay tuned next for Arson Squad: Seattle

  151. Jeff Nye on April 29th, 2008 6:28 pm

    Ugh. What has Rhodes done to deserve being the go-to guy in this situation, again?

  152. Brian on April 29th, 2008 6:29 pm

    Balentien and Clement aren’t in the Tacoma lineup tonight per Ryan Divish at the TNT. Anyone hear anything else on this?

  153. HamNasty on April 29th, 2008 6:30 pm

    How much pride does Ibanez lose every time Yuni catches on in mid LF?

  154. Sports on a Schtick on April 29th, 2008 6:31 pm

    Bakers says Wlad is out of the lineup to rest his knee. Don’t know about Clement.

  155. pygmalion on April 29th, 2008 6:31 pm

    Ugh. What has Rhodes done to deserve being the go-to guy in this situation, again?

    Once upon a time Rhodes gave up a critical home run to Bernie Williams. Or did he do that twice?

  156. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 6:32 pm

    Yeah, why didn’t we have Sherrill warming up just now…oh, wait.

  157. pygmalion on April 29th, 2008 6:32 pm

    Giving up home runs under that kind of pressure is what gives you veteran grit (as opposed to earnestness, which earns you Willie-grit).

  158. tco on April 29th, 2008 6:33 pm

    and the mariners on the cusp of blowing another one!!! deja vu all over again. god this team is frustrating! mentally weak with a losing attitude

  159. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 6:34 pm

    Or did he do that twice?

    Nah, I think the other one was to Dave Justice…

    …And, geez, that seemed like it was a million years ago now!

  160. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 6:35 pm

    Well, I think we can all agree that there’s basically no chance of us scoring against Rafael Betancourt, right?

  161. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 6:36 pm

    Too bad Borowski’s injured…

  162. Steve T on April 29th, 2008 6:37 pm

    Rhodes has INTENSITY. That’s all you really need. Well, and GRIT. He’s got that too. Oh, and VETERAN LEADERSHIP. Christ, Rhodes has everything you could possibly want in a pitcher.

  163. zvazda on April 29th, 2008 6:38 pm

    Even a tie game into the 9th doesn’t give a slight advantage to the home team?

  164. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 6:39 pm

    Rhodes has INTENSITY. That’s all you really need. Well, and GRIT. He’s got that too. Oh, and VETERAN LEADERSHIP. Christ, Rhodes has everything you could possibly want in a pitcher.

    Well, he could stand to be scrappier, which is to say “whiter.” Or wait? Can a pitcher be scrappy? I don’t know the rules very well.

  165. fermorules on April 29th, 2008 6:40 pm

    As much as has been made of the hitting woes, and deservedly so, I still maintain the bullpen has been the biggest problem to date….

    With adequate relief, the Mariners could have won at least four more games and be 16-10 right now, and the hitting woes would have been masked a bit….

    Certainly I agree the bats are a big problem, but the bullpen has been a bigger one….

    The starters have been as advertised, if not better….

    How nice in the 8th inning to see Rhodes and Lowe come in and throw strikes. What a difference that makes!!!!

  166. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 6:40 pm

    I think whenever the set-up guys come in for the 7th or 8th innings at the Safe, they should serenade them with the theme song to Emergency! as warm-up music — seems a fitting salute for the ole’ “squad”!

  167. Axtell on April 29th, 2008 6:42 pm

    femorules:

    You could say that it’s the bullpen’s fault that the team’s not 16-10, but then you could just as easily say that with just a smidge more offense, the team could be even better. I think I read they’ve already had 8 1-run games, and have been 1-7 in those contests.

  168. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 6:44 pm

    BELTRE’D!!!

  169. Snowman on April 29th, 2008 6:44 pm

    Wooooooooooooooooo Hoooooooooooooooo!!

  170. HamNasty on April 29th, 2008 6:44 pm

    Oh that felt good.

  171. LA M's Fan on April 29th, 2008 6:44 pm

    Yee-ha! Go Beltre!

  172. zzyzx on April 29th, 2008 6:45 pm

    That barely cleared the fence, but it still counts.

  173. hawgdriver on April 29th, 2008 6:45 pm

    AB straight LOC-in!!

  174. naviomelo on April 29th, 2008 6:45 pm

    BELTRE!!!!

  175. Steve T on April 29th, 2008 6:47 pm

    Paulkersey, a black guy can’t be scrappy.

  176. NBarnes on April 29th, 2008 6:48 pm

    And now McLaren will go to Putz, when the LI is basically nil and there’s a 3 run lead to ‘protect’.

  177. Snowman on April 29th, 2008 6:49 pm

    I think I hear some thunder rumbling in the distance.

  178. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 6:51 pm

    Hey, it’s a Cairo sighting!

  179. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 6:52 pm

    Paulkersey, a black guy can’t be scrappy.

    That’s what I thought, but thanks for the clarification.

  180. joser on April 29th, 2008 6:54 pm

    Did the scroll on the screen say “3 run home run Vidro”? Or was I just imagining that? (In which case I need some meds)

  181. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 6:56 pm

    Now that’s just puuurrre grit there, Willie!

  182. profmac on April 29th, 2008 6:56 pm

    … please…. anything but a DP Kenji… pretty please..

  183. beckya57 on April 29th, 2008 6:57 pm

    Boy, the Cleveland bullpen looks like ours tonight. Except they’re giving up hits, while ours tends to give up walks, lots and lots and lots of walks…

  184. killer_ewok18 on April 29th, 2008 6:57 pm

    Steve T: What about Joe Morgan?

    The fact that Bloomquist just pinch hit for Wilkerson… ughh……

  185. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 6:57 pm

    Did the scroll on the screen say “3 run home run Vidro”? Or was I just imagining that?

    If that’s the case, stand by…another plague will be coming our way shortly!

  186. praetor on April 29th, 2008 6:57 pm

    johjima has been miserable. :(

  187. profmac on April 29th, 2008 6:59 pm

    Why the heck did we just sign Kenji to a three-year contract with Clement getting closer and closer to being ready to come up for the main stay? Can someone explain?

  188. Axtell on April 29th, 2008 6:59 pm

    praetor-

    Not as miserable as Sexson, Wilks, or Vidro….at least he can contribute defensively.

  189. paulkersey on April 29th, 2008 7:00 pm

    Steve T: What about Joe Morgan?

    I’m pretty sure Joe was too good to be considered scrappy.

  190. Dugan on April 29th, 2008 7:00 pm

    How much pride does Ibanez lose every time Yuni catches on in mid LF?

    Not much, apparently.

  191. forte40 on April 29th, 2008 7:00 pm

    well, no JJ tonight

  192. beckya57 on April 29th, 2008 7:02 pm

    The Cleveland audience sounds unhappy. Which is worse, do you think: watching a team we expected to be mediocre be mediocre, or the fate of the Indians/Tigers fan of watching a team that was expected to be very good be mediocre? I’m thinking the latter.

  193. sad_loyal_fan on April 29th, 2008 7:03 pm

    Mac’s subs, while obvious, worked out. Unfortunately, it further justifies Cairo in his mind.

  194. Ollie in Raleigh on April 29th, 2008 7:03 pm

    Yuni! With a 5-2 lead I was still clutching my beer as if it were a tied ballgame. Thanks for the insurance.

  195. old duck on April 29th, 2008 7:04 pm

    Betancourt looked like he was pitching well. The Ms’ offense looked pretty good this inning.

  196. az sr softball on April 29th, 2008 7:05 pm

    joser–I ran back the dvr. Yes, it said Vidro.

  197. naviomelo on April 29th, 2008 7:05 pm

    Cairo didn’t really do anything except steal third. If that’s how Mac wants to use him then that’s fine with me.

  198. beckya57 on April 29th, 2008 7:06 pm

    The new Cleveland pitcher was born in Borneo? That’s a new one on me (and I’ve been following this game for almost 40 years).

  199. sad_loyal_fan on April 29th, 2008 7:10 pm

    Yep, and if he doesn’t steal third, Willie doesn’t score on Yuni’s hit.

  200. profmac on April 29th, 2008 7:10 pm

    Being on this side of a game like this is so damn refreshing… ZESTFULLY CLEAN!

  201. ndrfx on April 29th, 2008 7:15 pm

    Haha, nice pitch.

  202. Pig on April 29th, 2008 7:16 pm

    So if Balentien & Clement come up together seems to me they would DFI Cairo & Wilkerson but I suppose other options include sending Norton back down or dropping a bullpen arm.

    Seems that Burke is safe if they are committed to playing Clement. I’d keep Norton on the bench & DFI Cairo & Wilkerson if both Balentien & Clement are brought up. Norton & Vidro on the bench isn’t bad for late innings pinch hitters…

  203. profmac on April 29th, 2008 7:18 pm

    I wish Sizemore had chosen to stick with his plan to QB for the Huskies, so he wouldn’t be around to kill Carlos Silva… I’d much rather he be slaying himself some cougar! :)

  204. BringUpBalentien on April 29th, 2008 7:20 pm

    a little off topic-does anyone else remember someone on the radio referring to Silva as Vidro? As long as I’m not losing my mind, it was just a little mistake, but a funny one. Oh, by the by: M’s win! May 7=day of salvation

  205. profmac on April 29th, 2008 7:21 pm

    yessssssssssssssssssssss!

  206. scott19 on April 29th, 2008 7:22 pm

    Nice comeback, guys!

  207. Evan R. on April 29th, 2008 7:22 pm

    I asked this earlier but didn’t get any takers:

    Am I wrong to pronounce Balentien “bah-LEN-tee-en”? It seems like that would be the proper pronunciation based on the Spanish language. “Bal-en-teen” seems like the bastardized, Anglicized way to say it.

  208. BringUpBalentien on April 29th, 2008 7:26 pm

    Am I wrong to pronounce Balentien “bah-LEN-tee-en”? It seems like that would be the proper pronunciation based on the Spanish language. “Bal-en-teen” seems like the bastardized, Anglicized way to say it.

    That is right, bah-LEN-tee-en is correct in Spanish and “Bal-en-teen seems like the bastardized, Anglicized way to say it.”
    AMEN.

  209. arbeck on April 29th, 2008 7:29 pm

    But since he is from the Netherlands Antilles, I’m not sure the Anglicized way is wrong.

  210. naviomelo on April 29th, 2008 7:33 pm

    Nice win. We finally had a nice inning in the 9th that made up for all those wasted opportunities earlier in the game. It would have been terrible to waste another good start like Silva had.

  211. beckya57 on April 29th, 2008 7:40 pm

    Arbeck–they do speak Spanish also in the Netherlands Antilles. Along with English and a local patois that’s sort of descended from Dutch. Very interesting place.

  212. arbeck on April 29th, 2008 7:44 pm

    beckya57,

    I know that… but I’m not sure exactly how they pronounce things in their Spanish. So I wouldn’t automatically assume how to pronounce Wlad’s name.

  213. Breadbaker on April 29th, 2008 7:45 pm

    They don’t speak much Spanish, but a lot of Papiamento, which is the patois to which Becky refers. Pretty much everyone speaks English, though.

  214. ocelot on April 29th, 2008 8:39 pm

    Just got back from the game (by the way, it was REALLY cold–the ladies in our group packed it in after 5)
    I was the only M’s fan at least in my section, if not the stadium–it was REALLY fun getting up and hollering on the Beltre HR in the 9th…in a dead-silent park. In case the camera happened to pan over the upper deck right behind home plate, I was the lone M’s fan wearing a Mariners hat and black jacket. Very fun way to win, but I’ll be honest–after the home run, even I wanted to rack up some quick outs just so I could get out of a very cold ballpark. Good win–the one really funny part was bad mouthing Brad to my Cleveland friends–then having him go 3 for 3.

  215. msb on April 29th, 2008 9:33 pm

    FWIW, I think J Rollins is scrappy.

    F. Vina was, too.

  216. tranebc on April 29th, 2008 10:21 pm

    A pretty funny article about scrappy white baseball players

    I’d like to submit the idea that scrappy, white people (or SWP as I will refer to it now) is actually a baseball statistic that can help us define a player’s style and justify his other statistics.

    Here’s how you can calculate a player’s SWP rating … (All categories are based on a 1-10 ranking)

    Slow, scrappy, white baseball professionals: the great SWP

    Now if only he put “professional hitter” as a category I think we’d be all set.

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