Game 36, Rangers at Mariners
DMZ · May 8, 2008 at 6:23 pm · Filed Under Mariners
Gabbard v Felix. 7:10. Chance to make up a game, with the A’s and Angels off.
On mariners.mlb.com, one of the rotating top stories is “Vote to send Beltre, Mariners to the Bronx.”
I started laughing when I saw the pictures. Yes! Let me go vote for Jose Vidro as the all-star DH.
Here’s your lineup of inexplicableness:
CF-L Ichiro!
DH-R Lopez
LF-L Ibanez
3B-R Beltre
1B-R Sexson
SS-R Betancourt
RF-R Balentien
C-R Johima
2B-R Bloomquist
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No Clement? Boom Boom at 2nd? The hell you smoking, Mac?
Let just pick straws to see who DH’s the pick straws to see who plays 2nd base. Way to shake things up or shank things up. Sigh!!!!
From Mac, via Baker re: Clement.
Saying a guy is “pressing” is one of the most overused baseball cliches this side of “he plays the game the right way.”
I hate to say it, but I think this is a better lineup than yesterday. Is Vidro hurt, or have they just finally realized how bad he is?
When I hear “he’s pressing”, I usually assume the speaker is too lazy to:
a) Figure out the problem.
b) Explain the problem.
I am positive at least one of the above apply here.
Apparently Turbo has back spasms. I guess somebody has to keep Cairo company on the bench so he won’t get too bored.
Vidro’s back is out.
They need a Felix Day broadcast of this game where they only show the top half of innings. I am not interested in watching the offense act like a monkey fucking a football.
But during an extended futility streak such as we are in, “pressing” becomes even more overused than “plays the game the right way.” Sort of like Pluto and Neptune’s orbits.
So, when does Neptune become the farthest planet* from the sun again? Maybe we’ll make the playoffs again when that happens.
* and I reject any hurtfull comments about Pluto not being a planet.
The M’s crush lefties. They should do well against Gabbard tonight.
Then wake up Pepe!
When a person’s favorite “snack” is hotdogs, its pretty shocking that they aren’t out more often with back problems.
Except, isn’t Gabbard “good”? I was reading somewhere that he throws almost the exact same way that Bedard does, same break and movement and stuff, but with higher velocity.
IIRC, in 2006 the M’s struggled against lefties causing them to trade for Edouardo Perez. What’s odd about this is that all of today’s starters except Balentien were already on the roster at that time.
Uh, no. Gabbard has a good sinker, no outpitch, and lousy command. He’s a decent back end starter, but he’s about as far from Bedard as a pitcher can get.
“Designated Hitter” apparently translates into Marineragese as “washed up veteran”, “backup middle infielder”, or “mediocre second baseman”.
Awesome. Go M’s!!! WOOOO! I can’t wait to see what’s next.
Pluto is like the David Eckstein of the solar system. So small, so insignificant, yet so damn scrappy it’s adorable. Pluto will always be a planet in my heart.
I never understand the ‘he’s pressing so we’re going to sit him.’ I don’t know about anyone else, but sitting for me leads to brooding which leads to more pressing.
But what do I know? Apparently putting Zito in the bullpen for a week stopped him from ‘pressing.’ (Although he did lose #7, he just didn’t do it as badly.)
At least Mac didn’t play Cairo for a second straight night. I think that Cairo will have a 2005 Player A line in terms of average/OBP/slugging.
At least Cairo will forego the surly attitude and gratuitously awful tatooes. I hope.
I have freshly baked chocolate chip cookies. Damn Mariners aren’t making this night a complete disaster.
Looks like another sparse crowd there. I’m setting the over/under on attendance at 20,000 (surely people will show up for Felix, no?)
The Forehead seems to be… growing?
Dave Sims seems like he should be wearing cool sunglasses and working for an undercover organization, rather than being a baseball announcer and acting white.
23… naah, a superhero. The Forehead.
Who would his arch-enemy be?
Bill Krueger’s hair alone is villian-worthy.
If you are giving Clement the day off why not start WFB in left and let Ibanez DH? Or does that make too much sense?
Is the audio all messed up for anyone else?
Beltre once again reaffirms his awesomeness.
I hear it just fine on FSN. Are you watching it on mlb.tv?
I’m in Spokane too, and the audio is fouled up. It’s actually an improvement though.
I’m watching FSN but it must be Spokane only
Might be our bad luck in Spokane. My audio sounds like messages from Satan–or perhaps M’s management.
Felix can’t place his fastball. Not good.
My money is on this scenario:
John McLaren, after being completely fed up with professional hitters and gritty veterans, makes the move of the century by calling in the Mariner Moose to DH. Amazingly enough, the Moose posts a slash line of .315/.448/.602 for the remainder of the season. However, the Mariners still fail to clinch the AL West as, over in Los Angeles of Anaheim (whaaaa…?!?), Mike Sikorsky (or whatever the hell his name is!) one-ups McLaren by batting the Rally Monkey lead-ff. The Monkey leads the LAA Angels into the top division spot, and, eventually, a World Series victory over the Philly Phanatic and his Phillies.
Hey, crazier things have happened. I mean, Bill Bavasi traded Rafael Soriano for Horacio Ramirez, for Christ’s sake.
This is getting ugly fast.
They’re synonymous, aren’t they?
Mommy, where did the good Felix go?
Well, this game should be over…..one run is enough to beat the M’s….argh.
Fairchild is not going to give him the outside pitch today.
One more run, and the game’s lost.
And is it me, or does Ibanez look like Evil!Spock in the mirror universe with the goatee? Although a little bit of evil may help at this point.
Bill Krueger’s hair alone is villian-worthy.
Maybe it could team up with Rick Rizzs’ toupee?
… past a diving Sexson!
2 – 0 … Dare I say GAME OVER?
To people who don’t think 1B defense is important: Screw you.
And Pluto’s almost same-sized moon is like John Macdonald. In the background, an undervalued asset but perhaps just as valuable.
my goodness Safeco Field is lifeless, this is pretty tough to watch
We could always bring Broussard back.
Too many fastballs.
Too many fastballs.
I haven’t been paying careful attention but… has Felix established his fastball?
Diving suggests too much athleticism to me. I see him more as a toppling redwood, or perhaps, when he gives real effort, a giraffe when shot with a tranquilizer gun.
And meanwhile, that Band-aid is being pulled, hair by hair, sllllooowwwllly off….
If I only had a dollar for every grounder that got past Richie as he “dives” to his left. Well I was on the fence about getting season tickets to the Indians (Spokane) but seeing as Mariners baseball isn’t going to be fun this summer, Avista Stadium here I come! So at least they settled that for me.
Real headline on seattlemariners.com right now:
Buh?
That would be his right, my left as I watch him, whoops.
OMG Niehaus will get a memo on use of “King Felix” during the broadcast for that one.
From the M’s front page “Mariners seeking third straight win versus Texas”. Could someone please explain this? All of M’s nation is living in fantasy land! My, Oh, My.
51,
I see Richie’s flopping around as more of a “Weekend at Bernie’s” flop when the music stops.
We’re half way to our hit total from yesterday and it’s only the first inning! Things are looking up!
Plus, I think there are at least five more people there tonight. Perhaps six.
I’m just looking at the ESPN box score, and see that the King has walked two and K’d ZERO!!! If Felix fails me… I… I don’t know what I’ll do!
55… what did he say?
Sorry – I don’t get it. What would the memo to Dave say about his use of the term “King Felix”.
Satan is malevolent. Mariners management are inept.
60,
It’s been said that they don’t want the announcers to use the term “King Felix”, as they feel it’ll add pressure to the kid. As if he doesn’t already know what the entire world calls him.
61,
Well put.
Well. The Bellingham Bells start playing next month. Guess I’ll save my money and go watch Jake Locker.
The broadcasters have been instructed not to call him that on air by Howard Lincoln
Well, at least we’ll get this one over with early too…I got things to do…I can’t be wasting my time hoping we’ll get a hit…(Outside Ichiro that is)
Felix doesn’t hear the broadcast, why does it matter?
This is what it sounds like when doves cry.
Are these guys blind? It didn’t hit him on the elbow! I’m sure it hurt, but that wasn’t hit elbow.
You’d have to ask Howard that.
It doesn’t matter. Lincoln doesn’t have a clue what matters when it comes to the details of running a baseball team.
#53: Moral victories, moral victories. They were behind the 8 ball last night, only losing by 2 when behind the 8 ball is a moral victory.
Wait ’til later in the season. It’ll be like those midsummer Orioles-Royals or Pirates-Nationals tilts of recent years. Almost no reason to watch – too few young interesting players and bad teams. Ichiro, Beltre isn’t enough and Felix is one in five.
(Actually, scratch that – Ichiro is unique and entertaining enough to tune in every couple of innings.)
Hey M’s faithful, jspektor here at the game again … decided to go back for more abuse … although I dont know why (iphones are awesome, lets me check this site)…
Anyways I decided that I am becoming that guy from the Major League series (Randy Quaid) who somehow goes to every game, but Boo’s the team the whole way through wearing Indians gear that is crossed out and inside out.
Here is a quote from the movie while talks about Rick ‘Wild Thing’ Vaughn (Charlie Sheen):
“NO! You rotten bums! You overpaid weenies! Mild thing, you make my butt sting! I *detest* you! You’re all garbage! All of ya! Back up the truck! Back it up! ”
That who I’ve become … and I have to say after a few beers its kind of fun.
I just hope we have a movie ending this year. over and out.
Johjima caught that ball. Dammit.
Who starts warming up in the bullpen?
Here we go…..2 run shot.
I guess the good news is that Felix is throwing strikes?
Haha. Niehaus: “Here are two upcoming kids’ giveaways.”
Hmm, does that mean Triunfel and Clement for Griffey??
Now the Band-aid is stuck on the scab. *OWWW*
Damnit! I really want to watch this team……..but for Christ’s sake, this is just awful.
Time for Baek.
The M’s gotta start playing bad teams. Playing these teams with killer pitching that mutes their offense….
Oh, wait.
Crap, they may never win a game again.
So… I don’t know if I can watch the Mariners ever again.
30 minutes in and game over.
Worst team in the American League, ladies and gentlemen.
WTF, I was just going off at work how I don’t care if we’re down 20 games in the middle of August I’m still happy on Felix day. I guess I jinxed them.
Screw Baek! We don’t happen to have a guy with the last name of Christ in the ‘pen, do we?
I am so happy FSN is replaying this game not only 11pm tonite, but also tomorrow at noon.
Soooo… what’s the nearest team to us geographically? San Francisco/Oakland? Or Colorado? Just, yknow. Just wondering. Not planning on deserting the sinking ship or nuthin’.
60 pitches in 1/13 innings. Brutal, just brutal.
Joe’s tracer is the most worthless piece of shit that FSN could possibly use.
Er, 1 1/3 innings.
They probably won’t score 4 runs in the next ten games combined, so its probably safe to say this is over.
This feels like ’04 all over again. Maybe I can finally stop watching baseball, in much the same way I’ve completely stopped watching basketball. It would be convenient regarding time and money.
Good Felix! Thanks for showing up, can you get your evil twin off the mound please?
BOOOOOOOOOOO. Time to quote Bob Yuker the announcer from the Major League series … I just have to put up another couple quotes that apply to the Mariners.
Harry Doyle: Remember, fans, Tuesday is Die Hard Night. Free admission for anyone who was actually alive the last time the Indians won the pennant.
and
Harry Doyle: That’s all we got, one goddamn hit?
Assistant: You can’t say goddamn on the air.
Harry Doyle: Don’t worry, nobody is listening anyway.
Hahahhaha I’m done. So sad. At least the scalper outside gave me the ticket for 4 dollars … a new record low.
I’m actually going to wear a bag over my head on Saturday at the game.
Well, I think I have to go pull teeth.
I’m actually going to wear a bag over my head on Saturday at the game.
Well, I think I have to go pull teeth.
Felix is really Frank Drebin.
“Hey, it’s Enrico Palazzo!”
It seems to me that since the Oakland game Felix has been throwing more fastballs than anything else (this inning notwithstanding) and it’s cost him. He had a lot of success just blowing pitches by that lineup, but the last two games not so much.
Buster Olney says the M’s have internally discussed sending Turbo down to Tacoma.
Mojo Risin’.
Chuck Armstrong and Howard Lincoln better realize FAST what Bill Bavasi has given us in 5 years.
Fire his ass, NOW.
This is becoming useless even as background noise while I putter around on the PC. So ugly.
4 batters, 4 groundballs. Puke.
Something else is risin’, and it ain’t Mojo.
Big Richieeeeeeeee, he can swim the nile with a corcodile
Oh by the way…Here’s Norton’s line thus far this year:
BA HR RBI OBP SLG
.474 0 7 .524 .579
And here’s Willies:
.185 0 2 .333 .185
Who should we have traded???
I wish the broadcast crew had some latitude for when to plug season tickets and stuff. Having Dave go on about how long it’s been since the M’s have scored any runs, down 4-0 in the second inning, horrible record, you have to think there’ll be a better chance to plug a 16-game plan.
Vidro plan – back spasm lurch to the disable list – preferably the 60 day.
Does anyone else hold their breath in dread whenever Yuni swings at a pitch away?
Hey, the Rangers have just designated a lefty bat. Maybe we should pick him up.
Fuck this. I’m watching Survivor.
Greg Norton… hmm, why keep Cairo…oh thats right, hes a mark mclemore, but worse.
Mid-80s all over again. Was that Spike Owen grounding into a DP?
Yeah, I think I’m going to tune out. Not sure if there’s a Nielsen box in my house, but don’t want to take the chance of helping out the ratings for this garbage.
Hell, even a mediocre team would feel like they had a chance at coming back if they were 4 runs down heading into the bottom of the 3rd. Not the M’s, no sir, 4 runs down in the 3rd, at home, with Felix pitching better and we have no shot, no fucking shot.
Seattle to:
Oakland: 677 miles
SF: 679 miles
Denver: 1021 miles
That’s city center to city center, not ballfield to ballfield. Of course, the A’s will be moving further south when they become the Alameda A’s of Oakland at Cisco Field in Fremont(or WhateverTF they’re going to be called) in 2012 so the Giants will definitely be closer.
Personally, I think I’m going to become a Rays fan. Still plenty of room on that bandwagon.
Man, Rizzs sounds like he needs a belt of Zoloft. Even announcing WFB, his favorite player, his relentless perky boosterism has been beaten into the dirt.
Am I now allowed to be happy that Kinsler hit a HR? He is on my fantasy team.
Hey look, it’s Indiana Jones, over behind the M’s dugout.
As bad as this is, I could never bring myself to cheer for a different team. I’m a Mariners fan through and through, but this does suck.
Yeah, I’m not ready to change my loyalties. It’s getting to the point where the losing is becoming compelling, almost comical.
http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/roughcut/2008/05/steve_kelley_rough_cut_582008_1.html
This will at least make you laugh your ass off!
There are very few reasons to be a Mariners fan right now…
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I don’t think I’ll ever betray the Ms, but the Rays and A’s are definitely rising in stock in terms of teams that I follow…
What for? What skills he tune?
Why did Sims’ comment, “Felix has already hit Laird once,” sound like a veiled thread? Watch out, Buddy! You don’t strike out, and he’s gonna knock you down!
When is the last time the Mariners scored a run?
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Cairo. 000 0 1rbi. How many batters in the AL are still hitting 0 with 10 or more at bats?
have a little faith, yeah felix had a shitty start, but he has 4 k’s and looks like he can get back on track, my highschool baseball team has better offense though
have a little faith, yeah Felix had a shitty start, but he has 4 k’s and looks like he can get back on track, my high school baseball team has better offense though
I just tuned in. Ouch.
Thank God the right field wall was there to stop that one from getting out. YEAH!!! Great defense.
119… I liked “So what should they do with Richie Sexson?”
It happened around the last time Halley’s Comet appeared.
Ok, never the fuck mind, GODDAMNIT get your shit together!
I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Felix will be out for the 5th at 101 pitches.
Blowers is taking some of the blame for the lack of offense because he hasn’t given out the rally fries for a couple games. Damnit Blow, you’re supposed to be on top of this shit.
People who bring signs asking for Rally Fries shouldn’t be allowed in the stadium. God, what a bunch of tools.
The Ball Girl’s been getting fielding tips from Richie over there on the first base side….
15 million dollars, well spent!!!!
Fuck yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I went to a fight, and a baseball game broke out!
YAH BABY!!!
Fight!
RITCHIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
most excitement I’ve seen out of the M’s in 4 days
Who’s Felix going after? The home plate ump?
WTF lol Hide Felix!
Eddie!
That was nowhere near Richie’s head. Is he mentally retarded?
And Milton Bradley blows his knee out picking up his fat ol’ catcher.
AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN
There’s your “family friendly” M’s, Chuck.
Sexson is like those big guys they put on hockey teams in the 70s — no talent, just there to get in fight. Though nobody paid millions of dollars for those guys.
Why exactly is the crowd cheering?
XD this is ridiculous. Maybe the Mariners should punish this guy with their bats rather than their fists.
Felix may have a ten cent head, he’s not someone the Ms can afford to lose due to injuries from fighting.
I assume Ichiro took this opportunity to go get a soy milk from the vending machine.
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Either the Hydro’s, Groundskeeper dance or a fielders choice. Potentially captain f*ing plastic.
Sexson is such an idiot.
Well, it’s sure a good thing they’ve got Broussard and Norton on the bench so they have someone who can play 1st…
Hahah, this is the highlight of the season so far.
I’m so glad I tuned back in. Signs of life!
Props for Beltre getting in quick and digging Richie out of the pile of Rangers.
Maybe they can all get thrown out.
Holy shit, did I miss a fight? Damn you Survivor! Can somebody give me a play-by-play?
That was fun, but Cairo? COME ON!
I didn’t think it was all that close to Richie either, but I guess he was figuring it was intended to be a payback.
I disagree with Blowers, I think that getting down would be the best way to avoid a knee or ankle injury a la Bradley. Yeah, you might take a few punches, but you know your mates are going to be in there damn quick.
And yes, the is something that might get the M’s going. Nothing else has worked lately, so I’m all for trying anything.
That was completely stupid. The pitch wasn’t even close. Pent up frustration at your plummeting career, Richie?
Sooo what just happened for those who missed it? A play by play would be appriciated
I don’t know. Saying it was “nowhere near his head” isn’t completely accurate. It was head level, but over the plate. Guys don’t generally miss that high. Sexson is pretty tall.
On the flip side, that doesn’t mean he was throwing at him either. Sexson is a big target, and probably not that hard to miss if you are a major league pitcher.
Tough to say, but I could see why Sexson would be upset after that. Guys go up to the plate in that situation cautious of being hit because of what happened in the previous half inning. So, when something comes head level, you’re going to see someone get angry.
Does anyone know what exactly just happened?
You figure Gabbard would be smarter than to throw near the head of a guy who is 6 foot 8, especially since Felix had already plunked one of their guys.
That was the best thing Sexson could do. He knew he was going to get thrown at after the Kinsler and Laird pitches by Felix. He took the opportunity to light a fire. That is what veterans do. Had nothing to do about the pitch being up. He was looking to start a fire. Great job Ritchie!!!
If you have ever played competitive ball you would know Ritchie did the right thing. Everyone knew with 2 outs he was going down there.
Ya send Felix back out there, McLaren must be a special kind of smart.
On the bright side I bet throwing his helmet at the guy earns Richie a few days off courtesy of the league.
165 – Agreed, it was the situation that led to that reaction, not the location of the pitch per se.
Fight video up on mlb.com
Felix threw at Kinsler after HR. Threw in on Laird, the catcher. Gabbard quickly got 2 outs and no one on and one of the M’s big guns up, he threw up and somewhat in on Ritchie. He charged, took his helmet and threw it at Gabbard. Got maybe one good blow in. Broken up quick. Felix was chirping like he always does when the benches clear. Ichiro and Bedard were absent.
Good move Ritchie.
Nice catch Ichiro!
Wow. Really? You’re new around here, aren’t you?
Sims is such a moron, its absolutely ridiculous.
Gabbard threw a high pitch that wasn’t really that far inside to Sexson. Richie turned his head when he saw the pitch was riding high. Richie imediately threw his bat down and charge the mound carrying his helmet. Gabbard threw down his glove and held his ground. Richie threw his helmet (not very hard) at Gabbard. He took a low position as Richie came up on him. Richie jumped him with the catcher Laird piling on top. I’m kind of embarassed as a M’s fan to tell you the truth about the whole thing.
Love how Sims is commenting the whole time on what an excellent job Guardado was doing of calming down Felix. What a great job of calming!!!
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juneau_fan Says:
I assume Ichiro took this opportunity to go get a soy milk from the vending machine.
LOL That is Priceless……
This is a no-heart team. less heart than No-heart Anythony.
It’s time someone in the clubhouse said so.
I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a reasonable argument that included this phrase.
Was Gabbard just shaken up? Why did he leave?
They have soy milk? I doubt it. It’s not veterany enough. Probably just 2%.
“I’m kind of embarassed as a M’s fan to tell you the truth about the whole thing.”
I’m more embarrassed about the fact that the team is incapable of scoring runs. Personally, I thought it was hugely entertaining.
177 – This is an all time low for Mariner baseball. I disagree with starting a fight … why cant he just hit the ball.
do you mean hit the ball? oh wait, he doesnt do what he needs to do
im all for Richie charging the mound. yeah it wasnt THAT close, but it was indeed high and somewhat inside.
the team had 1 hit at that point, through 4 innings.
might as well try and spark this team which is falling fast in this early season.
if anything it just pumped up his teammates.
This sounds like the kind of nonsense Joe Morgan would spout out.
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DougP – You have much better reasons to be embarrassed than a silly fight. The majority of people who see it on ESPN tonight will chuckle, then forget about it in a couple days.
At which time, they’ll still remember this is a poorly run franchise headed in the wrong direction.
It looked like his knees buckled a little on the collision. He may of had a slight limp walking into the dugout. Maybe I saw it wrong
Sims has the first “no doubt about it” at precisely 9:00 pm. Bet no one had him in the pool.
Attendance was 22,922.
When good teams are getting their asses kicked, they get their act together and kick some ass back. When crap teams are getting their asses kicked, they take some lame excuse to “light a fire”.
It’s a no-hit, no-field team. “Heart” isn’t going to fix that.
What ever happened to the times with a fight would amp up both the players and the fans and get them into it? Now it’s just going to be people taking verbal shots at Richie, even though he did the right thing in that situation. Maybe instead of charging the mound he should have taken Gabbard out to dinner after the game and they could have talked it over. Nothing gets people fired up like civilized debate.
justinh – Fine, I won’t try to convince you that there is no such thing as pixie dust that makes baseball players better after they try to “start a fire.”
But, could you at least spell Richie right? There is no t in his name.
It really was not that bad. Richie charges and throws the helmet then everyone just kind of hugged. No punches, headlocks, or kicks that I saw. It isn’t going to spark the team nor is it a disgrace to the team.
The Mariners are playing tonite? I was watching Overhaulin’.
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I think I agree with that … I think there should be more brawls – if anything they are hilarious …
Are the ESPN boards broken tonight or something?
Right, Scooter4, because there’s no middle ground between making an ass out of yourself charging the mound for no good reason and a tea party.
Whatever happened to the good ol’ days when Robin Ventura gets his ass whooped by a pitcher twice his age?
My god, it’s only the fifth inning. What a game…and not in a good way.
scraps – If I give you directions, could you go pick up Sexson, drive down here and have him punch me in the head so I’ll pass out and not have to read this stuff anymore?
No good reason? I’d say having a fastball thrown at me after my pitcher had already hit one of their guys is as good a reason as any. If he hadn’t done anything, everyone here would questioning why he didn’t stand his ground and do something about it.
Now it’s just going to be people taking verbal shots at Richie, even though he did the right thing in that situation.
No, it really wasn’t the right thing to do. Charge the mound if someone throws at you head, not if they throw high but nowhere near your head. He was just looking for an excuse to go vent his frustrations. He was a washed-up player before and now he is a washed-up player who made a fool of himself.
176 – thank you, jspektor, for proving that you’re not actually at the game. You’re “I’m Randy Quaid” schtick was a little tough to swalllow. Glad to see you’re just a fraud, rather than the alternative.
You guys are ridiculous. You are so down on the team.. Why don’t you go and get behind some other team. Damn. Find a better use for your time than to rip on a team that you are supposedly a fan of. Give me a break.
This team has no heart… This team sucks…. Seriously.. shut your damn mouths
I’m glad Richie went after that guy… it was quite amusing to see how rattled he was after that… Now he can go drink some warm milk and have his mommy tuck him in.
When I was playin’ ball, Ol’ Frank Baker used to throw his bat at the pitcher just to put a skeer in ‘im. A ball player warn’t worth his weight in tobacee juice if he didn’t sock someone every now and then. Bunch a sissies playin’ these days.
But, could you at least spell Richie right? There is no t in his name.
207 – I’m sorry I left before the brawl, I am not a fraud. Thank you very much. 4 dollar ticket, free parking. What’s the problem?
201 – you must admit that, at worst, it was somewhat entertaining. Nobody was hurt, it didn’t harm the reputation of the team to any great extent and it’ll all be forgotten about by those concerned within an hour of the game being over. It’s a bit of theatre and drama, there’s nothing wrong with that in my opinion.
Oh yeah. I forgot that only all-stars are allowed to show emotion during a game. “Washed up” players should just run back to the dugout and hide whenever confrontation arises.
And yes, I am a very depressed fan who has to get up for work at 530 in the morning so I cant stay all hours of the night, especially freezing my ass off and watching us suck more than ever.
You want to come to a game with me?
Second Sims-generated “no doubt about it.”
You would have thought we threw the ball at each others head. Why is it a big issue?
R-I-C-H-I-E is da man!
well, I missed a few things, apparently.
about all I saw of the game was Felix hitting Kinsler, and I thought it was odd the way Kinsler & Joh & the ump reacted. Guess you needed the whole story. well, glad I missed the histrionics, and also glad I missed the ensuing discussion.
Oh yeah. I forgot that only all-stars are allowed to show emotion during a game. “Washed up†players should just run back to the dugout and hide whenever confrontation arises.
I’d rather have a first baseman who can hit than a drama queen. And the “confrontation” was a pitch that was high, but not really all that close to his head. He made a mountain out of a mole hill.
We’re washed up commenters venting our frustrations.
Holy hell, that was funny…get wild with Sexson? You want to come up and/or inside on someone, why not someone who isn’t going to get himself out if you only throw a few strikes?
Then, the crowning piece of the video…Kinsler (looks like) and Yuni appear to be in a 1 on 1 at the outskirts of the scrum, looks like maybe a punch will be thrown…then it looks like maybe Kinsler is just restraining Yuni, then it looks like they might be restraining each other, only neither of them is trying to hurt the other, and neither is trying to get away. At the end it just looks like they’re hugging and gently rocking each other from side to side in a loving embrace. High comedy.
Scooter4, the pitch wasn’t thrown at Richie. Confrontation didn’t “arise”; Sexson provoked the confrontation. “Emotion” is a straw man, and not the first one you’ve set up and knocked over.
profmac, you don’t have the authority to tell anyone to shut up.
Mom’s day t-shirts!? oh how i love my mom
Indeed. There are differing degrees that determines whether a fight is entertaining or not.
Sexson throwing a hissy fit and fighting like a girl=funny.
Ron Artest leaping into the stands and the arena devolving into a riot=not funny.
Nolan Ryan making Robin Ventura his bitch=award worthy.
[this is not a board]
This is the point in the movie where somebody (me) yells, “Stop fighting! That’s exactly what they want us to do!”
holy crap a hit…
I would rather criticize my team for its obvious flaws and mismanagement than blindly drink the Kool-Aid, laugh at their dumb commercials and beg for Rally Fries.
Gotta amdit guys. Richie made some good connection with the helmet!!!
smb- Just saw the Kinsler and Yuni dance, it kind of got romantic near the end.
I have ALL authority. I am a man. haha. A real man.
What kind of soy milk do you think Ichiro drinks… I’m thinking about making a run to the grocery store.
amen.
You couldn’t afford Ichiro’s brand.
I just get tired of all the bitching.. It’s like reading commentary from the view. Only everyone is Joy Behar… Gosh, I hate that woman.
Totally. I was like, whaaaa? And it’s a man in white running! Whooo!
“The heart of the order,” doesn’t apply to Mariners.
You know, I’d be pretty damned pissed at the Mariners and their drama mamma if I were the Rangers. Sure, they’re fighting us for the bottom of the division, but they play hard every game–they probably have slim hopes of doing decent this year. So they probably don’t appreciate having to pull their pitcher, who was cruising, out of the game early, and having to use up a relief pitcher.
And oh, yeah, we play them again next week. That ought to go well.
There is sort of a standing shrillness in the tone here. It’s no fun to talk about how great things are going, though. Now is it?
234 – I couldn’t disagree with you more. Have you watched this season? Is there anything else to do but bitch? I’m sorry man … but …
and we all know, only women bitch.
Anybody wonder how much coverage the fight will get on SportsCenter? I’m guessing a 10-second mention, at most. If it was the Yankees or Red Sox, it would be the top story on ESPN for two days straight.
Oh, and please never compare me to anyone on that show except maybe Star Jones circa 1997.
meh.
19 innings w/out a run.
That’s exactly right. Women and Paul O’Neill.
I just get tired of all the bitching.. It’s like reading commentary from the view. Only everyone is Joy Behar… Gosh, I hate that woman.
Oh, and please never compare me to anyone on that show except maybe Star Jones circa 1997.
Am I the only one who has no idea what these guys are talking about?
Here’s the final word (I just saw the reply)
Everyone on the diamond knew for a fact that they were going to throw at Sexson. Everyone. Fact. It didn’t matter if the pitch was low, hi, at his head or just inside. Everyone knew. Sexson knew when he stepped into the box, and he knew that when it happened, he could either take it like a b—- (which is what the M’s as a team have been doing the past, um, 5 years) or he could charge the mound. That’s the end of the story. Step Up or Step Off, is pretty much all there is to say about it.
If you think we get bitchy, check out Lookout Landing.
Who wants some ponies?
243:
So, women.
Good for you, tgf. Stay pure.
just looking at the boxscore– so, what is with the miniscule ERAs for Texas starters this year?
tgf- I am lost too. WTF is a Joy Behar??
Yes, the only thing to do when you’re thrown at in retaliation for previous beanings is to charge the mound. Otherwise your testosterone levels drop dangerously low and you’re forced to turn to steroids.
Good for you, tgf. Stay pure.
Are you saying that Joy Behar and/or Star Jones are porn stars?
[snerk]
ok, I vote we retire ‘bitch’ in all its many uses for the evening. fyi, Rizzs just said Gabbard left with ‘bruised legs’
Yeah. My buddies and I just watched it about 3 more times too. He knew. No doubt about it.
Well, I’m glad an authority figure has weighed in. Richie wouldn’t do steroids, though, so he would have turned into a woman. Like tomorrow.
FSN, please keep the camera on the college ladies. Much easier on the eyes than our offense.
Anyone know the most amount of innings straight the M’s have gone without scoring a run? 19 must be close … or am I forgetting pre 1995 seasons.
Star Jones as a porn star……”shudders”
Blowers?
What does that even mean?
[ponies]
M’s haven’t scored a run in 19 2/3 innings.
Scooter4:
You couldn’t have picked a better time to make your argument.
Please don’t be reductive. Also, who are you quoting? I don’t think home runs are worthless, and I certainly don’t think Richie Sexson hitting one would be considered a fluke. Adam Jones is cheap and will just keep getting better until he is a star. We haven’t developed a star position player in a decade.
When management puts this team out there and tries to tell us that it is a team that should compete to win the west I think it’s only fair to pint out where they are sadly mistaken.
When we have a lead late in the game only to lose it because our manager can’t manage his bullpen, it’s fair to point that out.
When a player is making 15 million dollars (or around that number anyways) this year and the best thing he has done is throw his helmet at somebody, it’s fair to be down on him.
I wonder if there’s some twisted clubhouse competition to see how long the team can go without scoring a run.
I would think improper thoughts of Sexson maybe jamming his previously dinged shoulder when bruising the Gabbardian shins, but sadly, Richie’s paltry offense is better than most in this line-up.
Also, who in their right mind would say that it would take the other team having an off day for Bedard to succeed? For Sidney Ponson or Vicente Padilla to do well, on the other hand…
Ah, Ryan Anderson? He is only a year away…
is it more fun than a mustache-growing contest?
Will this team even score 400 runs this season?
270 – Have you seen Ramon Vasquez’s? He really did a good job with that one … hes got a pretty good trash stash going.
That was hilarious! LOL.
I can’t think of two offenses I wouldn’t the Ms offense for. One plays in a city that straddles Missouri and Kansas, the other plays by a bay.
“Chris Shelton….Chris Shelton. Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long, long time.”
–Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Anyone see that they canceled Grosby’s show on KJR? Does that mean Dave isn’t getting a plug anymore?
DMZ?
I mangled that… I can think of two offenses I wouldn’t trade the Ms offense for.
Yes, it’s canceled, yes, it means no more Dave on Groz. We talked about this the other day on the “Dave on KJR” thread.
Scooter-
People are frustrated with the team in general, and management in particular. I think it speaks volumes (in a good way) about the fans frustrations, and how they are able to point out the flaws of the team without the general ‘they suck!’ so many uneducated fans throw out there. They know Vidro is terrible, they know Sexson is a liability, they know Cairo has no place on this roster, they know Bonds would be a huge addition.
Not many teams and even fewer websites have this kind of intelligent discussion of a team, and, to me, it speaks to just how passionate the fans are. Even if they are negative (and they have every reason to be), they are at least making quality arguments as to why they’re being negative.
Dave said at the time that monday was his last show–
my bad – I didn’t see that thread … thanks for the clarification – i just read that story in the seattle times. pretty sad …
Blowers is so matter-of-fact. It makes me laugh.
I think I need a valium … you think Josh Hamilton has one for me?
281,
No doubt about it!
f this, I am going to bed.
Low blow, dude.
This team is rapidly becoming so bad that they’re not worth watching. They’re approaching pre-1995-there-was-no-quit-in-that-ballclub levels.
No valium, but he has a hell of a lot of crack to get you going….
Plenty of testosterone will be coming to town in the form of Ozzie Guillen. He’ll show our guys how to man up.
Man, this is totally numbing….
jspektor-making fun of someone’s addiction problems aren’t funny, even if he does play for a division rival.
285 – I thought it was funny… besides-the guy is in the Major Leagues, I think he is doing just fine now …
sigh … this is really numbing.
He can also hook you up with a gram or two of I’m-an-awesome-baseball-player-who-is-better-than-almost-everyone-on-your-team.
Nice to see Lowe get his velocity going. On a positive note.
come on guys…
Rogaine is a sponsor of the stats? Please make it stop.
Just got home from the bar, which is where I usually am for Felix Day. >:( Anyways, a few observations (and forgive me if any of this is a rehash…I really must rant just a bit):
1) We chase their friggin’ soupcan Red Sox reject starter after three innings and change (because his wittle weggy huwts him) — and still can’t manage more than three hits off these world beaters!
2) Richie — for once in his last two miserable years –finally does something that at least remotely smacks of excitement — and yet they still can’t take it as a hint to get a fire lit under their sorry ass!
3) On a related note, that’s now 21 straight innings (as of this post) without a run, guys!
4) As much as I dread the thought, when Felix starts “regressing to the mean” of the rest of this team, you know you’re in freakin’ trouble!
5) Though I’m the first to admit that I’m not a Jeremy Reed fan, why in the bloody hell have we still got Cairo and Vidro on the roster when he’s hitting .362 at freakin’ Tacoma?!
6) What’s the dead pool update on the longevity of Bavasi and McLaren in this organization?!
7) When will we win another game?!
That’s it! Feel free to criticize or sympathize…just had to get it off my chest! Fortunately, I still have beer at home, so it looks like a good time to put on some Ramones and smash my head into the wall! >:(
290 – I am not saying I wouldn’t want him. He is a 5 tool stud.
btw, Baker says it was Riggleman (sitting in for Mac) who made the call to pinch-hit for Clement last night — I guess it falls into the ‘be careful what you wish for’ category
The only good that can possibly come from this team’s misery is that both Mac and Bavasi are fired, and someone comes in with an idea on how to run a $110 million a year payroll team.
Thanks for that. I just don’t appreciate the over-zealous villainization of drug addicts. I’m sensitive to it, maybe overly so.
Clement better PH for Cairo.
Daayy-aaamn. This thread is all full up of misogyny tonight! spicy!
Yeah, the Josh Hamilton jokes are pretty low.
Paul, I understand. I think Hamilton is great guy and I am very happy for him. He is working it.
Uh-oh, Lauren’s here. I’d better put some pants on.
I believe this is the first game thread this year to reach 300 comments. The M’s may suck, but at least we still have each other.
Group hug!
300 and all other josh hamilton sympathizers …
I do apologize for that comment…I thought it was funny but it was in poor taste – and with that apology i am going to bed. I wish I could apologize for 21 … almost 22 straight innings of no runs.
I will be at the game tomorrow again … still irking that people think I am a fraud.
I will be the guy with a brown bag over my head – hopefully get in the paper or espn
I will be the guy with a brown bag over my head – hopefully get in the paper or espn
I’m thinking you won’t be the only one.
One out away. Come on, we can do it! We can make it 22 straight without a run!
Don’t we have anyone to pinch hit for Cairo? Burke? Silva?
This is nothing. There was a post on Baker’s blog yesterday, from a guy claiming he was sitting behind the Mariner’s dugout during the game and the ‘smell of perfume wafted up, (Although I doubt he used the word ‘waft’) and all the players were doing each other’s hair and polishing their nails.’
I pictured this guy as pantless–but not you, Benne–sitting in front of his computer in gapping boxers, chewing on a cigar and scratching his ass while tapping with two fingers.
Uh, why is Cairo batting??? Why, why, why???
Yeah…hear that roar for Cairo!!!! Those are real fans.
oh, what a gift.
A HIT BY CAIRO OMG WTF
At this point I’m just watching the games for comedic value.
Hey, we got 4 hits.
Yeah, but Juneau, I expect better from USSM. If I wanted my entire gender impugned, I’d read… well. Pretty much any other sports blog.
I hope someone grabbed that ball, and took it out of the game for him.
That Cairo hit was brought to you by: Richie Sexson’s Rage.
Looks like we can take the Mariners out of the Kingdome, but can’t take the Kingdome out of the Mariners.
my goodness, it is only 10:15. It feels much, much later.
But Lauren, Felix Day got ruined. All bets were off at that point.
Where can I find the Mariners BABIP? Fangraphs doesn’t seem to have it.
It must be really low.
This team has officially jumped the shark.
So, after Richie is handed his 10 game suspension will we bring up LaHair?
Standing ovation for Cairo!
Cairo: I want to thank Richie for giving me this opportunity…
The highlights have to be Sexson and his lame attempt to see how many games he can be suspended for taking offense at a pitch that was not that close….or the offical scorer for taking pity on Miguel Cairo and turning an error into a single.
If the M’s can play better they may challenge Texas for third place later this season.
my goodness, it is only 10:15. It feels much, much later.
That’s because every inning that goes by without a run scored, a little part of you dies.
Im trying to fall sleep to sports center and I have to say … the brawl is already making the teasers …
RE: #319
It’s .266 after yesterday’s game. League average is .289.
You can find it on Hardball Times Team Coverage.
Meanwhile, “profmac” gets my vote for worst addition to a lineup since Horacio Ramirez.
Just hold up some ridiculous “I came to the game with a bag over my head because I want some Rally Fries. We F***ing Suck!” sign. Guarantee you’ll get on. Blowers won’t be able to resist.
Has a team been officially been done with the season mentally,emotionally and physically like the Mariners are as of 5/8/2008 ????
Look on the bright side…at least he took his sorry ass out of the lineup for a few games with that shenanigan.
Can that possibly hurt our offense?
So, after Richie is handed his 10 game suspension will we bring up LaHair?
To me, it’s a good opportunity to see if Clement can hold his own at 1B.
To the team, it’s Cairo and Bloomie time.
That is what I am afraid of. Bring up LaHair or put Clement at first. But really, who cares at this point.
have we officially hit rock bottom yet?
This losing and hitless streak is exactly what we need to get rid of Bavasi. He is close to gone.
Baseball tonight at 10:30. Be fun to hear what they say about our beloved Mariners.
Yeah, I don’t think they made it all the way over. The shark ate them. Or at least ate their bats.
At least we didn’t have to trade a useful commenter, Xteve X or msb maybe, for him.
I meant scoreless streak.
If we are out by 10 games or more by the ASB, I think Bavasi is gone.
Rangers TV announcer Tom Grieve on Sexson’s charging the mound..
“That is a gutless, six foot seven, two hundred hitting. formerly good player – what a joke.”
Gotta agree with that.
Take heart, Lauren. I’m male and I don’t understand the grand misogynistic dance that is sports culture. Be strong.
This roster is ridiculous. I hope McLaren knows how to charcoal a steak like crazy.
After reading Dave’s post from earlier this week, I don’t know if that’s good or not. They’ll probably hire Wayne Krivsky as his replacement.
Rangers TV announcer Tom Grieve on Sexson’s charging the mound..
“That is a gutless, six foot seven, two hundred hitting. formerly good player – what a joke.â€
Gotta agree with that.
The “gutless” part is a bit odd–he did open himself up for a beat down–but yeah, more or less, Grieve is right.
Or maybe Steve Phillips.
So how big of a suspension are we looking at for Sexy? 10 games?
I noticed that Paul Silvi took a shot at the M’s on his sportscast today. He showed Norton’s game-winning RBI and mentioned his 2 hits in 2 AB for the Braves, and said the M’s could have used him last night.
That is a another sign of how this community views this team. It is not good publicity. The heat is being turned up on the front office.
Yeah, well Tom Grieve’s son Ben couldn’t hit over .200 with any power his last couple years. I would say Richie is gutless if he didn’t charge.
What does Ben Grieve have to do with that? That seems like an irrelevant remark.
10 game suspension for sure. He took the helmet with him.
Seriously. It’s like, “Your son was bad at a thing, so what you said about that thing is wrong.”
Totally seriously, I wonder if something’s up in Richie’s world–besides his professional issues–first, taking the personal day yesterday. I assume that has to be something serious, not ‘My daughter has a dentist appointment,’ to miss a game. Then deciding Texas is head-hunting you when it wasn’t that close.
Damn, I actually watch the post-game show, and no one’s talking?
Tom Grieve’s other comment:
“If he doesn’t get suspended for a week for that gutless move, I’ll be completely shocked. Number one; for charging the mound on a pitch that wasn’t even close, and then getting twenty feet away and throwing a helmet at him like a girl. What a joke.”
Y’all know how awesome it is to be an exemplar of things that are worthless, cowardly and weak? It’s pretty sweet, let me tell you.
Hey guys I was just kidding. It was a joke.
Devine and Channel 13 are ripping the Mariners right now.
I thought so.
Trying to look at an upside, at least we are gonna get another good draft pick!
Its starting to look like time for a fire sale, but unfortunatly, what do we have that we can get some value for? We are buried in this way over paid lineup. Is there such a thing as roster bankruptcy? Its gonna take 7 years to recover from this nightmare anyway.
Yeah, you know, this thread went downhill pretty quickly and I wasn’t paying much attention to it until it was too late, but there’s a lot in here that appalls me as I review it.
I will attempt to me more vigilant in the future. We should be classy, not base, in defeat.
Leave here at once.
Devine: “10 of the 15 worst games in terms of attendance have happened this season, folks. It doesn’t get any worse than this.”
M’s PR spokesman:
“the kids are in school.”
“We look forward to better weather.”
Bonds and Griffey mentioned. Fans love Griffey. Bonds – no.
This thread did sort of feel like a bench-clearing brawl of its own, ironically. Lots of flaying arms, an undulating pile, and pointless yelling.
Then they show lots of fans at the soccer game and the News Guy compares the two teams. OUCH.
It is amazing looking over the AL BABIP numbers how far low the Mariners are. Besides being number 13 out of 14 teams, they are .062 (or a difference of 82.816 hits) behind number 1 Boston. Just to return to the median the Mariners are behind .025 (or a difference of 32.350 hits) behind the .289 average or the .290 median.
The Mariners have higher GB% (46%) than AL average (9 out of 14) and a lower LD% (18%) than AL Average (9 out of 14) which is most likely the main cause for this.
There are sub-issues that cause those numbers which all come back to patience at the plate and plate discipline, which the Mariners are at the bottom of the league as well.
Although their BABIP with come back up a bit, the Mariners can help their own cause by being more patient at the plate and swinging at pitches that they can actually do something with and not pitches down and outside which will ONLY cause the slow roller to SS.
I’m a fan. I think Bonds is better than 10 Griffeys. Adding Griffey with his bloated salary would be about the stupidest thing I’ve seen from the organization this year.
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Watching the fight replay on BBT, it looks like Gabbard’s shins weren’t hurt by Richie’s plunk, but by his teammates piles on top of the two of them to ‘save’ him. That had to be a combined weight of about 2,000 pounds. He was folded up to protect his head with his knees under him. That had to hurt.
…and the usual claptrap about how this will light a fire under the Mariners.
Huh. That Hugo Schwyzer article/response was indeed interesting. I’d missed out on that article on the Times site.
I’m glad you found it interesting. I plan to buy this Sunday’s edition to learn more about women in sports.
Schwyzer is an interesting guy.
That’s a little like the so-called “Bertuzzi incident” a few years back between the Canucks and Avalanche…where Steve Moore’s teammates who were supposedly trying to help him after he got blind-slided by Bert actually wound up doing more damage by falling on top of both of them.
Yep…gotta love those bench-clearing brawls where everybody gets involved…not!
In my limited athletic coaching experience, buttressed by my years in youth work, I’ve noticed that highly athletic girls are actually less likely than male counterparts to complain about injury or to “push back†against the demands of coaches and parents.
To connect to your post, scott. Men and women seem to have in common an unwillingness to push back – women against coaches and parents and men against the masculine attitudes of their sports. And both suffer injuries as a consequence.
The woman abuse post fits so well.
To show their support, the Mariners have committed to hit nothing.
Re: NORTON
He pinch-hit again today; had a two-run single.
(He’s driven in more runs in the last two days (3) than the Mariners have scored in…)
I decided not to bother watching the game today…
Other than Richie charging the mound looks like I didn’t miss a thing…
One can only hope the White Sox can get Vidro to charge the mound so he’ll get a suspension too…
Can any of our pitchers hit?
*sigh*
Not sure if anybody has mentioned this yet, but [somebody mentioned it]
I think if I was pitching and Richie started after me I would just turn and run….
….or maybe toss him a bat, god knows he can’t hit anything with that in his hand.
apparently he spent wed night at Childrens Hospital with his son.
The junior hockey WHL Champions (Spokane Chiefs) are probably laughing their butts off at a MLB “fight”.
I am with #211. My guess is that most of us wouldn’t feel very comfortable with a head level pitch, regardless of where it was thrown.