Yup

DMZ · May 8, 2008 at 10:40 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

stack of towels

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79 Responses to “Yup”

  1. Sports on a Schtick on May 8th, 2008 10:43 pm

    The Mariners defied Dave by three days. Seattle has to win 65% of its remaining games to get to 94 wins.

    Toast.

  2. Benne on May 8th, 2008 10:47 pm

    The M’s top two starters got a grand total of zero runs in support. Bad.

  3. marinersintheblood on May 8th, 2008 10:53 pm

    1 run over the last, let’s see… 26 innings!

    Yeah, that’d be the definition of done, I guess.

    \
    At this rate, this season could be historic.

  4. Mike G. on May 8th, 2008 10:55 pm

    I think choosing which blindfold and cigarette is more of a priority at this point.

  5. jephdood on May 8th, 2008 10:56 pm

    This would be a nice stopping point in the Richie Sexson/Seattle Mariners relationship.

  6. Cole on May 8th, 2008 11:09 pm

    Why are we looking at towels now, the Mariner’s threw it in when they constructed this team, they just didn’t know it.

  7. Kunkoh on May 8th, 2008 11:10 pm

    I’m fond of the chocolate towel. May I keep it after I throw it in?

    I don’t think I can get drunk enough to watch the M’s and enjoy them. Maybe if I drink till I black out; then I won’t have to remember the game.

    The really sad thing is, I don’t think we can realistically improve in the next few years, because I don’t see them doing what would need to be done, much less doing it in a competent manner.

  8. patnmic on May 8th, 2008 11:12 pm

    White like the Mariner flag should be.

  9. Sports on a Schtick on May 8th, 2008 11:18 pm

    Tonight was the nail in the coffin.

  10. don52656 on May 8th, 2008 11:21 pm

    It’s been an emotional roller coaster ride watching this team so far. I’ve passed through the angry and depressed phase. Now, it’s kind of like watching a train wreck. You really don’t like what’s happening, but you can’t take your eyes off of it. I was pretty sure the M’s weren’t going to live up to the predictions of being contenders, but I never thought they’d be this bad. And the thing is, I really think they thought they were contenders and it kind of looks like they are all in collective shock. And I agree with you #7, this train wreck may take years to clean up…

  11. don52656 on May 8th, 2008 11:23 pm

    Next year at this time, there is likely to be a lot of speculation regarding who the M’s will trade Bedard to before the trading deadline. I mean, what are the odds that he is going to want to stay here after the 2009 season? They’ll have to trade him…

  12. dnc on May 8th, 2008 11:28 pm

    11 – and get half of what they gave up for him back.

  13. Benne on May 8th, 2008 11:28 pm

    Let’s apply the Kubler-Ross model:

    1. Denial (What the hell? This team is supposed to be good!)

    2. Anger (I hate McLaren! I hate Bavasi! I hate everything!)

    3. Bargaining (Well, it’s still early, so hopefully we’ll turn it around.)

    4. Depression (This team hasn’t scored in 22 innings. They’re going nowhere.)

    5. Acceptance (So what are the Rays up to lately?)

  14. tomas on May 8th, 2008 11:28 pm

    It wouldn’t take years to clean up if they started right now. Canning Bavasi and Mac at the end of the year (I don’t see any FO changes, unfortunately) will give a new GM time this year to get something decent together for next year.

  15. hub on May 8th, 2008 11:29 pm

    Mariners…meet…PECOTA.

  16. scott19 on May 8th, 2008 11:31 pm

    11 & 12: Bingo on both counts — which is partly why I thought that was a bad trade in the first place.

  17. Lasky on May 8th, 2008 11:32 pm

    I was just listening to Richie the Raging Bull’s interview. The fact that he is concerned about getting hit in the face is understandable, yet that pitch wasn’t really near his head. Clearly, he was over anxious going up to the plate. I can’t help but feel like his total inability to self assess provides a strange mirror with the the organization’s utter inability to understand the nature of its shortcomings. Does this have something to do with how you aren’t [SUPPOSED] to ‘be critical’ in Seattle? I feel like if I were to tell Armstrong that Sexson has consistently sucked for the last two years, he would say something like, “He plays better than you, so you have no right to talk do you?” Meanwhile, Hank Steinbrenner with his beautiful head of hair and steely critique contrasts sharply with [BAVASI]‘s strange Zen approach to management. [BEANE] periodically travels down to the Dominican Republic to go talent hunting. Ineffable Seattle hauteur. Can you imagine McLaren cursing or spitting or even slightly altering his facial expression?

  18. don52656 on May 8th, 2008 11:35 pm

    It’ll take years, because:

    1. This team has a lot of old players they need to replace.
    2. They don’t have much talent to trade.
    3. They don’t have much talent in the minors to build with.
    4. They don’t have a front office that knows how to get talent on the cheap.
    5. They pretty much have to start from scratch. How many players on the current roster will be on the next Mariners playoff team?

  19. don52656 on May 8th, 2008 11:37 pm

    By the way, speaking of talent in the minors, where is Dave’s future forty? I mean, it looks like we’re going to have to really start rooting for those guys….

  20. ChrisK on May 8th, 2008 11:46 pm

    This organization is completely unoriginal, so you know they’ll fire the hitting coach (Pentland) first, just to say they made a change. Then they’ll hem and haw for several weeks while claiming they are still contenders. If they keep losing, Mac will be let go after the All-Star break. They won’t admit defeat until late August after they’ve booked another 3M in attendance. Bavasi won’t get canned until the offseason.

  21. Mr. Egaas on May 8th, 2008 11:47 pm

    At this rate, Greg Halman will be on the next Mariner team to be over .500

  22. don52656 on May 8th, 2008 11:48 pm

    These questions are running through my head as I contemplate heading to bed…

    1. How long until Bavasi gets fired?
    2. How many games are the M’s going to win this year?
    3. Are the M’s going to finish last in the AL West?
    4. Are the M’s going to finish with the worst record in the AL?

  23. Colm on May 8th, 2008 11:50 pm

    Failure is one thing. One can expect and plan for a fair amount of that during a baseball season.

    Being as BORING as this team – now that takes the f**kin’ biscuit.

    If they are down by a couple of runs – the game is over.
    If they opposing pitcher is right handed – the game is over.
    And if the opposing pitcher is the sort of soft tossing left-hander that the Mariners have typically smacked around for the past season then John McLaren will find a way to make sure that the game is over anyway.

    They are desparately unexciting to watch.

    I’m off to the game tomorrow.

  24. don52656 on May 8th, 2008 11:52 pm

    I’d bet money that Bavasi doesn’t make it to the off-season. As soon as the organization realizes that this season is lost, they’ll can him. That may take longer than we think, but I believe it’ll happen no later than the All-Star break. I’m kind of thinking it’ll happen before the end of this month, actually. Once we’re “out of it”, they simply can’t afford to have Bavasi in a position to trade whatever talent we have for someone else’s dregs.

  25. JMHawkins on May 8th, 2008 11:52 pm

    Thow in the towel? Nah, Richie had it right. He threw in the batting helmet.

    They won’t admit defeat until late August after they’ve booked another 3M in attendance

    At the rate they’re drawing, they won’t book 3M attendence for 2008 until August of 2009.

  26. strong silence on May 8th, 2008 11:55 pm

    17 – those are interesting insights – perhaps worthy of a book.

    Have you ever read Seattle and the Demons of Ambition by Fred Moody? You would really enjoy it. The author describes a form of low self image in Seattle and the consequent attempts to cover it up.

  27. Sports on a Schtick on May 8th, 2008 11:58 pm

    Right now the team is on pace for barely 2 million. Seattle is averaging 25,000 fans per home game. Lots of Mariners fans are displeased. Most know Bavasi isn’t a good GM. Some realize McLaren is in way over his head. Even fair-weather fans look at the payroll and shake their heads.

    This organization better wake up and stop being so incompetent.

  28. dnc on May 8th, 2008 11:59 pm

    17, I’m not sure I agree with the idea that we need to start from scratch.

    Current players that could easily be above average contributors on our next playoff team include Ichiro, Beltre (if we resign him, and we could presumably get him for less than he makes now), and Clement. From 09 forward, Balentien, Lopez, and Betancourt all give you approximately league average production for cheap. I’m not really sure how Johjima fits, but he’s signed, so you know he will play. His presence pretty much assures we’re getting below average production from catcher or DH (or both, depending on how things play out with Clement).

    That just leaves two positions to fill (and two of the easiest ones on the diamond): 1B and one of the corner OFs. Assuming we can find some real ability for those spots (I know, you’re #4 makes that difficult), the makings are there for a solid offense. The key is we have to learn how to find true mashers for those spots, and you are correct that none of them seem to be coming through our system.

    As for what we do have in the system, our position players are…poor. To say the least. The promotions of Clement and Balentien, combined with the trade of Jones, leave us very thin, especially in the high minors. I don’t see Tuiasosopo ever amounting to much, though I’d love to be wrong. Saunders is intriguing, but still has plenty of questions. LaHair is interesting, if only for the fact that he hits left handed.

    Triunfel is obviously a stud, but I think it’s apparent by now that the fast track he was on has at least slowed down a bit.

    Outside of them there’s not much. Liddi’s hitting a little better as of late. Halman is still everything we love and hate in a hitter. And Danny Carroll is reminding people of Jamal Strong.

    The pitching side of the ledger looks considerably better, IMHO. Feierebend still looks like a solid back of the rotation guy. Kyle Parker is really taking a nice step forward this year, albeit as a bit old for his level. And Wisconsin is legitimately stacked with arms. Aumont is for real and then some. Adcock is trying to remind us that the 05 pitching haul hasn’t been completely deal out and/or wasted in the big league pen. Ramirez looks ready for a promotion. And there are a couple of other guys worth paying attention to in Hume and Pineda.

    I can’t remember a Seattle affiliate being that awash in arms in some time. Aumont + Ramirez is a better duo than anyone’s had since Anderson + Meche. Obviously, that comparison serves as a cautionary tale as well. These kids are a long way from the bigs, and their arms are sill quite fragile.

    Still, fragile talent is better than no talent, and it’s hard to imagine the M’s not reaping some benefit from that TRat rotation.

    Bottom line – we basically have the talent on hand to be decent, assuming we can acquire a corner outfield who can hit and field, and a first baseman that can mash. Those things shouldn’t be THAT hard to come across, though I’ll admit a change in FO philosophy would make it significantly more realistic.

    As far as Dave’s future forty, I think he can be forgiven for taking a month off from prospecting to purchase a ring, plan the proposal, and work on his engagement. I too, am anxious to see his feelings on a few guys (particularly the ‘Sconsin arms), but I’m sure we’ll get it in due time.

  29. dnc on May 9th, 2008 12:01 am

    Eh, that should say 18, not 17.

    Apologies to the mods.

  30. strong silence on May 9th, 2008 12:02 am

    It really is time to pile on so I’ll offer this thought: Have they messed up Clement? He has started horribly. If he gets sent back down (after another month of futility, say), what happens to his development?

  31. scott19 on May 9th, 2008 12:06 am

    Actually, at this rate, the Mariners aren’t likely to reach .500 ’til Alex Martinez or one of the Moyer or Buhner kids is on the roster.

  32. cheapseats on May 9th, 2008 12:07 am

    10 – I hear your anguish, and wish I could fully share it. The problem is, I can’t, given years of watching this particular FO triumvirate at work.

    Connie Mack’s philosophy on how to run a club should be framed and hung above the reception in the FO:

    “Give the fans a better than mediocre year with just enough of a hint of contention, to keep them in their seats, but never actually field a contender, because then you’ve got to spend a lot late in the season on follow-through bats and arms, and prize money, etc. And we’ll all get rich.”

    This team won’t win, until it has an owner that wants to win.

    It certainly has had players and managers who wanted to win, and did, despite the lack of the above.

    I can no longer watch this team from season to season with any real feeling of fresh optimism each Spring.

    What they are today is a sheer product of accumulation. And I even think there’s a serious credibility gap: Every mediocre trade, for example, reminds me of the crocodile tears shed by the FO to get their replacement stadium.

    Watching this team take the field feels like deja vu all over again. It’s hard to describe, but I think the closest analogy is remembering how I felt on all those nights, late in some well-played game with the M’s obviously in control and up a run or two (or even more), and then seeing Bobby Ayala emerge from the Bullpen.

    Let’s face it. To love baseball in Seattle, you’ve got to be a little masochistic.

  33. don52656 on May 9th, 2008 12:15 am

    28, good analysis. I agree with many of your points. I tend to disagree about Lopez being league average, because I think he is a pretty poor hitter (look at OBP) and I expect this to become more apparent as his BA drifts down to his norm. I think his range at 2B is such that he’ll never be an above-average fielder.

    But, I love Beltre and appreciate the way he plays. He is above average at 3B and will stay that way for several years. Ichiro should hold up well as he ages because he keeps himself in such great condition. I have high hopes for Clement. I don’t know what to make with Johjima. I can’t believe how bad he looks at the plate and boy, that contract extension sure looks like a mistake right now.

    I agree that 1B and OF should be a relatively easy place to pick up league-average talent, but given the other prospective members of the roster, aren’t we going to have to pick up above-average talent at these two positions to be better than an average team?

    Regarding the pitching, so much depends on the organization having a plan. It’s a real shame that they have misread this season so completely, because it could get really exciting to have Morrow learning to start in the minors right now and imagine a 2009 rotation with Bedard/Hernandez/Morrow at the front, with a lot of depth maturing in the minors.

  34. don52656 on May 9th, 2008 12:21 am

    30, I don’t think Clement will be messed up. The way he’s being handled reflects on the organization’s decision-making, not on his skills.

    32, I have never understood the complaints about the owner. The main difference between now and 2001 is the GM and the field management. If you are willing to slam the ownership regarding the current situation, are you also willing to give the owner credit for 2000-2003?

    Pat Gillick turned into Bill Bavasi, and Lou Piniella turned into Melvin/Hargrove/McLaren. That’s the problem that needs to be addressed.

  35. Tom on May 9th, 2008 12:25 am

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  36. scott19 on May 9th, 2008 12:35 am

    34: Actually, I think there were at least a few of us who did slam Lincoln and Armstrong at the trade deadline in 2002 & 2003 for either: (a) lack of a move, or (b) the wrong move (i.e. Jeff Nelson for Armando Benitez).

    Of course, we all know the real reason why Nellie was driven to the airport by Howie in the first place.

  37. OppositeField on May 9th, 2008 12:38 am

    I quit. See you guys next year.

  38. juneau_fan on May 9th, 2008 12:41 am

    I was just listening to Richie the Raging Bull’s interview. The fact that he is concerned about getting hit in the face is understandable, yet that pitch wasn’t really near his head.

    Okay, this gave me a really cruel thought about Richie’s inability to read pitches. But I’ll supress it because I’m stuck on step #3 of the Kubler-Ross model, and need to stay positive so that things will turn around.

  39. don52656 on May 9th, 2008 12:47 am

    36, I understand the anger. But this ownership group is letting someone spend $107 million of their money for what looks to be right now the worst team in the AL. They might have made the wrong choice of GM’s, but I guess I just don’t know what you expect from ownership. They don’t make the personnel moves on this team.

  40. DMZ on May 9th, 2008 12:49 am

    They might have made the wrong choice of GM’s, but I guess I just don’t know what you expect from ownership.

    To make the right choice of GMs?
    To exercise some oversight over their choice?

    Just for starters.

  41. don52656 on May 9th, 2008 12:55 am

    Derek, I agree completely that they are accountable for the GM. And, I think they’ll be exercising their oversight in the relatively near future. But I don’t think we should criticize ownership for not wanting to win. If that were true, our payroll would be much lower than it is. They may be guilty for letting someone else buy a fleet of Hondas for $50,000 apiece, but that’s different than not trying to win.

  42. DMZ on May 9th, 2008 1:00 am

    But I don’t think we should criticize ownership for not wanting to win. [...]

    I don’t think we criticize them — they’ve got a different set of priorities and philosophies that are at their base way different than ours.

  43. forte40 on May 9th, 2008 1:00 am

    And here I thought Mariners tickets were the perfect Mothers day present. I have to burn those and start from scratch, dam you McLaren!

  44. don52656 on May 9th, 2008 1:07 am

    Well, they are businessmen, not baseball professionals. They might not be very good at hiring baseball professionals. But, I’m trying to understand the situation from their perspective. I have struggled with the Bavasi issue for a couple of years now. He has good points; our farm system is much stronger than it was when he arrived. He appears to be an abysmal trader, and has a spotty record in signing free agents. But from management perspective, how could you justify firing him after seeing the team’s record get better each year? Why would you, as a manager, want to set such a precedent for the GM position that yearly improvement results in losing the job, and if you did set such a precedent, how would that affect your ability to attract good candidates in the future?

    Now, it looks quite obvious that the Bavasi plan is failing. The team will regress significantly, record-wise, in 2008. Attendance is falling dramatically; the team will be less successful financially. The roster is filled with bloated contracts and talent has been wasted at the same time. I believe this means that the axe will fall, and soon. They just are going to wait until they are totally convinced that the season is a lost cause. The way things are going, it won’t be long.

    Nice chatting with you, by the way…..

  45. Tom on May 9th, 2008 1:08 am

    All right, let’s put the next thread there Mister Dave. . .

    “Should the Mariners blow up the team this winter and start a ‘Cleveland style rebuilding’ or just add to this team with (GOOD) free agents?”

    That is the question and let the debate begin.

  46. egreenlaw9 on May 9th, 2008 1:10 am

    Honestly,

    Today is the first day I’ve ever seriously considered becoming a fan of another team. I’m sure I’ll eventually move to San Fran (my family AND her family is there), but I want to root for Oakland.

    I’m at a crossroads with this team and this site.

    I feel it’s hard to just be a fan now knowing how poorly they’re running their organization. So here’s what I ask Derek, Dave, and all M’s fans…

    When is enough enough?

    Do we really feel we (or USSM) can change how the team actually operates?

    If so – I’m all for it.

    But there seems to be this HUGE backlash in the conventional media to EVER giving cred to the blogsphere. It just seem too bad.

    Anyway, shortly, and soon… I’m going to stop rooting for Ichi.

    I’m going to give up on the Belt and Soul patch.

    When Griffey comes back (or doesn’t) and fails, that’s my last link to the teams I loved.

    I’m ready to say goodbye Seattle, and hello Fremont A’s.

  47. don52656 on May 9th, 2008 1:12 am

    Name the good free agents, then let me know what positions you want to fill, then let me know how much it’ll cost.

    I don’t think free agents are the answer. In fact, I’d maintain that free agents are a good part of the problem. The M’s rely on them too much. The most successful teams don’t sign a majority of their hitters and starting pitchers as free agents. The M’s have.

  48. don52656 on May 9th, 2008 1:14 am

    46. Having been a season-ticket holder since the mid-80′s, the current situation feels very familiar. However, I am a baseball fan and live in Seattle. I can’t imagine making another team my favorite. But, I still am rooting for the Rays….!

  49. DMZ on May 9th, 2008 1:16 am

    But from management perspective, how could you justify firing him after seeing the team’s record get better each year?

    “You’re doing a bad job.”

    All right, let’s put the next thread there Mister Dave. . .

    I’m Derek. He’s Dave.

    Do we really feel we (or USSM) can change how the team actually operates?

    I don’t know that that’s the point.

    But there seems to be this HUGE backlash in the conventional media to EVER giving cred to the blogsphere. It just seem too bad.

    I’m not doing this for cred from conventional media, as you’d say

    The most successful teams don’t sign a majority of their hitters and starting pitchers as free agents.

    Depends on your definition of most successful.

  50. don52656 on May 9th, 2008 1:17 am

    Well, Derek, what’s your definition of most successful?

  51. scott19 on May 9th, 2008 1:19 am

    “Should the Mariners blow up the team this winter and start a ‘Cleveland style rebuilding’

    Oh, what the hell, how ’bout shipping Ichiro and Felix to the Yanks for Joba Chamberlain and Melky Cabrera?

    They’re probably both gonna wind up in the Evil Empire eventually, anyway!

  52. matthew on May 9th, 2008 1:22 am

    #9 said:

    MOJO RISIN NO MO

    Very funny :D

  53. don52656 on May 9th, 2008 1:22 am

    “You’re doing a bad job”…perhaps so, but from the perspective of the businessmen owners, what would have been the evidence of this? The team was improving every year, attendance declines looked like they were turning around.

    Hey, I thought Guillen for Santiago and Soriano for Ramirez warranted his firing. But I’m thinking as a fan, not as an owner.

  54. egreenlaw9 on May 9th, 2008 1:29 am

    Not to just respond to me and you Derek… but…

    Why else would you do this, other than to hope that at some point, the team will listen to you? I get that you guys understand you don’t hold all the info that the paid guys do, but really Derek, can you honestly say you don’t care if the M’s see and at least consider what you and Dave are saying?

    And, two, I know you don’t give a crap what any ESPN or FSN correspondent thinks, but it must feel shitty when you point out – with evidence – that a certain Angel’s closer MIGHT have been cheating last year and you get ripped based ONLY on the fact that you’re a ‘blogger’.

    My point being (on that second part), no one else noticed it and they felt stupid for not having the insight or attention to detail you (and a few other bloggers) may have had.

    It seems as though they didn’t dismiss the F-Rod case because he was innocent, but rather because the discussion was raised by a blogger (aka. you).

    I’m not trying to be argumentative, I’m just saying it sucks to know as much as you’ve given us and not have anyone else (including the national media) seem to give a damn about it. Even moreso, it seems they’re INTENTIONALLY trying to squash it.

    It just kinda sucks being an M’s fan now.

  55. BlazerD on May 9th, 2008 1:30 am

    41 – More like a fleet of USED Hondas for $50,000 each.

  56. egreenlaw9 on May 9th, 2008 1:36 am

    And Derek – I’m not trying to make any given point or argue with you.

    It just sucks to be an M’s fan knowing the info you, Jeff and Dave have given me.

    I can’t help but want to be an A’s fan (or an M’s under Antonetti fan, whichever comes first).

    And if I were to be argumentative ;)

    How many organizations, honest to god, would you and Dave BOTH feel good about being fans of day in and day out?

    Give us a model. Not just for this year, but for the last ten and the next ten.

    Who would you be a fan of?

  57. Axtell on May 9th, 2008 1:45 am

    I think Bavasi is only sniffing trouble from ownership not because the team is terrible, but because people aren’t coming to games. If the team was terrible and the M’s were still going to sell 3M tickets this year, Bavasi wouldn’t have any issues. But the team is terrible and people aren’t going to games, so his job is indeed in jeopardy.

    It’s apparent Mac is lost and has no idea what the hell he’s doing. To anyone who thought otherwise, last night’s pinch hitting for the DH should be all the evidence you need. Either that or starting Cairo at 1B. It’s scary how incompetent he is as a manager.

    There is so much dead weight on this team that it could be years before they are competitive again. That would leave Ichiro at 37, 38 years old, and while likely still productive, would the M’s keep him around if they go with a youth movement? Even if you keep him, you will need to plan for the post-Ichiro years.

    To whoever posted that Beltre would be able to be signed for less than he’s making now, what gives you that idea? Beltre will likely get a pay raise, given how great a third baseman he is. Lopez and Bettencourt *should* be a good solid middle, but their inconsistency scares me.

    There are tons of holes on this team. 1B, C (does Johjima rebound? Where will Clement play?), the starting rotation (Bedard will likely not want to resign beyond 2009 if the team’s in rebuild mode) so it’s possible we will need as many as 3 new starters (again), LF.

    You’re talking as many as 4 daily starters if Beltre isn’t re-signed, and over half your starting rotation. I just wish that they’d fire Bavasi amd Mc tomorrow, get competent leadership in that knows how to evaluate and play talent, and start this rebuilding now. There’s no way this team recovers this year, and there’s no sense in trying to cover it up. I would much rather see a change that comes in, DFA’s Vidro and Sexson, and starts getting regular starting time for young players.

    If the team’s going to lose games anyways, what possible reason is there to continue to trot out old, broken down players?

  58. Axtell on May 9th, 2008 1:56 am

    egreenlaw: I can think of two off hand. Arizona and Florida.

    Florida as a team makes less money than Arod does by himself, but look at the talent on that team. Hanley Ramirez (who is, IMO, hands down the best player in the NL and was robbed in last year’s MVP voting).

    Arizona has a bit more money to spend so they can add in the veteran free agent, but have every bit as successful.

    I don’t think its coincidence that these teams have won world series. They can evaluate talent with the best of them and are unafraid to let players go who are past their prime. The Dontrelle Willis deal exemplified that.

    I’d love to have a GM as aggressive as the Marlins have. Instead of relying on overpaying veterans, they scout and stay young.

  59. Mike G. on May 9th, 2008 2:05 am

    I’m getting nervous because the longer the picture is up there the greater the chance of waking up to this press release:

    SEATTLE — Seattle Mariners Executive Vice President & General Manager of Baseball Operations Bill Bavasi announced today that infielder Carlos Triunfel has been traded to Bed Bath & Beyond in exchange for a beige towel to be named later and cash considerations.

  60. BurkeForPres on May 9th, 2008 2:25 am

    I am quickly becoming a Cubs/Diamondbacks fan. A couple of clubs that have some nice up and comers that are making a nice little impact.

    It’s so bad that when I see the M’s down 2-0 I think “Well, this game is over. Not a chance in hell they are going to score more than 2 runs.”

    And then they score 0, further increasing my baseball anxiety for things to change. When we will get it? What is it going to take? Hopefully they will get a clue when we win 50 games this year. (Facetious, I know. What can I do though?)

  61. paulkersey on May 9th, 2008 3:30 am

    I’m a fan of baseball, and I appreciate players and organizations that know what they’re doing. Team-specific fandom, though, is a strange and irrational thing. The Mariners have hurt me more than they’ve made me happy, yet here I am following every pitch of every game for the I-don’t-care-to-count-th season in a row.

    I’ll pay attention to other clubs when they’re doing interesting things (the Cubs, D-Backs, Rays, & Red Sox, come to mind right now), but I’ll move on as soon as that changes. With the Ms, I’ll watch the team go into April with the makings of a 70-win season and still have my heart broken when they suck.

  62. terry on May 9th, 2008 4:38 am

    Nothin’ like having to hope for a miracle in early May but feeling guilty because it would most likely have to be a major earthquake….

    Anyway, wake me up when some news happens otherwise, I’ve got other things to spend my times/money on…

    Unfortunately there seems to be an apathy buffer in Seattle…. is the cotton candy really that good at Safeco?

  63. terry on May 9th, 2008 4:40 am

    Anyone else hear the lambs screaming? Watching this offense gives me an uncontrollable desire to join the FBI……

  64. Rumpelstiltskin on May 9th, 2008 5:31 am

    At least I bet 2k on M’s Under 86.5 wins. Is it too early to mail the ticket in?

  65. BigB on May 9th, 2008 5:54 am

    Think Baltimore would be up for trading Jones, Sherrill, and 3 particular pitching prospects for Eric Bedard?

  66. Todd S. on May 9th, 2008 6:30 am

    But from management perspective, how could you justify firing him after seeing the team’s record get better each year? Why would you, as a manager, want to set such a precedent for the GM position that yearly improvement results in losing the job, and if you did set such a precedent, how would that affect your ability to attract good candidates in the future?

    Well, in theory anyway, the candidates you should be interviewing will understand the difference between actual wins and the underlying team elements that lead to wins. Really, if you’re not talking to someone who understands Pythagorean wins or third-order wins, then I don’t think you’re looking at the right candidates (which, again is on ownership). I’m not saying they have to be an expert on such matters or even be able to calculate them. But I do believe that most of the current GMs have a basic understanding of this concept.

  67. major hurdle on May 9th, 2008 7:27 am

    … Well at least now I’ll be able to hear my cell phone ring at the game and Diamond Club seats should be going for around 25 bucks pretty soon.

  68. jspektor on May 9th, 2008 7:33 am

    just was listening to KJRAM and Mitch … they were replaying the Chuck Armstrong quotes:

    “Best coaching staff we have ever had”
    “Bavasi is doing an outstanding job”

    – Chuck Armstrong, May 8th 2008.

    I dont even know where to begin on that one, but I am trying to laugh.

  69. DMZ on May 9th, 2008 7:52 am

    “You’re doing a bad job”…perhaps so, but from the perspective of the businessmen owners, what would have been the evidence of this?

    He was doing a bad job.

    I’m not sure what exactly you want from this argument: you seem to be excusing the owners’ tolerance of bad performance on the basis that they shouldn’t be expected to be able to evaluate that performance.

    But if that’s the case, they’re not qualified to own the team.

    If they can’t determine if the people they’re hiring are competent or incompetent, they have no business being in the business.

    The team was improving every year, attendance declines looked like they were turning around.

    Analogy time!

    What if they were an investment banking firm, and in reviewing the performance of one of their employees they found that his 25% annual return that year was from picking derivatives to buy by using the most negligent method you can think of to select issue numbers. Random number generation, whatever — it’s not important.

    That’s a firing, though the short-term results work.

    Orrrrrrrrr even if you discard all that, you compare the results he got with the resources he had with other GMs in similar situations, and find him wanting there.

    If the counter here is that that would be a bad PR move, I’m going to be unsympathetic — a business owner needs to be able to make unpopular decisions that are in the long term interest of the firm.

    Besides which, they hike ticket prices almost annually. That’s unpopular, but it makes them more money. Clearly in some decisions they’re prepared to do the money-making thing in order to make more money.

  70. jspektor on May 9th, 2008 7:58 am

    Besides which, they hike ticket prices almost annually. That’s unpopular, but it makes them more money. Clearly in some decisions they’re prepared to do the money-making thing in order to make more money.

    Can I add 8 dollar Miller Lights? Or maybe a 20 dollar angus burger w/ fries in terrace club?

    Oh yeah, at least if you see Big Mike out in front of the Safe you can get a 4 dollar ticket.

    Do you think this is because Armstrong is on the heat seat too?

  71. smb on May 9th, 2008 8:04 am

    “Armstrong on the hot seat.”

    LOL. Send that shit to the Onion.

  72. SequimRealEstate on May 9th, 2008 8:04 am

    Thanks sports for the photo. Say’s it All. Here is our franchise quote. “When I had an image for this team next year, it always contained that Mac would be back,” All-Star outfielder Ichiro Suzuki said, through an interpreter.

    The franchise cornerstone signed a $90 million contract to stay in Seattle about a week after McLaren, whom Suzuki has known for a decade, took over for Hargrove. Suzuki said Thursday that when he decided to re-sign, he was hoping McLaren would come back in 2008.

    “Out of all the deals that we made before the season, the fact we signed John McLaren was the best move we made,” Suzuki said of McLaren becoming Hargrove’s bench coach. Sept 28, 2007 ESPN

  73. jspektor on May 9th, 2008 8:10 am

    [how many times do we have to go over this? calling M's personnel "morons" doesn't fly here. Criticize the actions, not the person]

  74. msb on May 9th, 2008 9:23 am

    I can use some new washclothes, as well.

    I’m Derek. He’s Dave.

    you know, you don’t really look like each other …

    t’s apparent Mac is lost and has no idea what the hell he’s doing. To anyone who thought otherwise, last night’s pinch hitting for the DH should be all the evidence you need.

    FWIW, according to Riggleman, that was his call, not McLaren’s.

    Actually, at this rate, the Mariners aren’t likely to reach .500 ’til Alex Martinez or one of the Moyer or Buhner kids is on the roster.

    I hear Dillon Moyer is a pretty good shortstop

  75. msb on May 9th, 2008 9:24 am

    well, that is an interesting coding mess.

  76. Jeff Nye on May 9th, 2008 9:27 am

    msb, you’re fired.

    I can’t even guess at how to fix that.

  77. msb on May 9th, 2008 9:29 am

    I could send it again, but it really wasn’t that fabulous a set of thoughts….

  78. bklounge on May 9th, 2008 10:16 am

    Why isn’t anyone talking about firing Pentland? Obviously he’s not getting the job done. He’s the hitting coach right? So maybe I’m confused but his job is to get us to hit. By any possible measure he’s an utter failure. Make a statement – FIRE HIS ASS.

  79. scott19 on May 9th, 2008 11:49 am

    well, that is an interesting coding mess.

    It is a virtual cornucopia of lovely experimental fonts, however. :)

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