Sexson Suspended Six Games

Dave · May 9, 2008 at 3:11 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Richie Sexson was suspended for six games for charging the mound and throwing his helmet at Kason Gabbard last night. He’ll probably appeal, so he won’t begin serving the suspension right away, but I doubt it gets reduced much – his reason for charging the mound sucked and he used his helmet as a weapon. Six games sounds like a gift, honestly.

The M’s will have to adjust their bench when the suspension hits – there’s no way they can possibly go with Miguel Cairo as their first baseman for a week unless they’re trying to get fired.

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67 Responses to “Sexson Suspended Six Games”

  1. Steve T on May 9th, 2008 3:15 pm

    Miguel Cairo, starting 1B! Priceless! It’s like a comedy act — maybe they can call up Bryan LaHair to play shortstop.

  2. bergamot on May 9th, 2008 3:19 pm

    With Cairo at first base, the M’s won’t score any runs and will lose all their games …

    … oh wait …

  3. killer_ewok18 on May 9th, 2008 3:24 pm

    What are their options?

    Option 1: LaHair

    Option 2: WFB/WFB Lite

    Option 3: Clement.

    That’s probably how I’d rank them in order of probability. I’d love to see if Clement could handle playing 1B, but I’m not sure it’s real likely.

  4. Dave on May 9th, 2008 3:26 pm

    LaHair sucks.

  5. Jeff Nye on May 9th, 2008 3:29 pm

    As much as I’d like to say otherwise since he plays for my team:

    I’m not sure six games is enough to send a clear message that throwing your helmet at people isn’t acceptable.

    Especially if he manages to get it reduced on appeal.

    Does Clement have any idea how to play at first? Could he be an acceptable stopgap?

    I’m pained by the idea of Cairo/Vidro/Princess Willie at first.

  6. coasty141 on May 9th, 2008 3:31 pm

    Lahair is putting up a 290/367/548 line this season. I thought minor league success is a good indicator of MLB success. No?

  7. MedicineHat on May 9th, 2008 3:31 pm

    They could play Norton there…oh wait….nevermind. Maybe they should move Wilkerson in? Oh wait, nevermind. Does Ibanez own a 1B glove?

  8. Spanky on May 9th, 2008 3:32 pm

    I was glad to see Sexson charge the mound last night! It was obviously he was looking for a reason to do it to “manufacture” some life in this team. Six games is probably the right amount. Besides…it’s not like he’s Pujols or Berkman or something. It’s quite possible that whoever they throw out there might actually do better.

  9. coasty141 on May 9th, 2008 3:33 pm

    I’d give Lahair a shot… Left handed hitter and the season is already in the toilet.

  10. Mat on May 9th, 2008 3:37 pm

    I’m not sure six games is enough to send a clear message that throwing your helmet at people isn’t acceptable.

    How many games do starting pitchers usually get suspended when they hit batters with a baseball? (Answer: usually only enough so that the pitcher has to have his next start moved back by a day.) And what are the relative dangers of a pitched baseball and a thrown helmet?

    Clearly it’s not acceptable to throw your helmet at a pitcher, but I don’t see how that action in and of itself deserves a more than 6-game suspension. In a similar incident, Torii Hunter received a 3-game suspension for throwing a baseball at Danys Baez after getting HBP in 2002.

  11. Spanky on May 9th, 2008 3:38 pm

    Why is “throwing the helmet” considered such a no-no? Let’s face it, are you really going to hurt someone with your helmet? It’s not like a 90 mph baseball. Maybe if he had used his bat…thrown it at him. I actually have experience at this! Little brother ticked me off when I was 8 so I took my bat and threw it at him…knee high of course! Wouldn’t want to go for the head or anything like that. He tried to jump and the bat clipped him just below the knee just as he achieved liftoff. He did a mid-air flip and landed on his head.

    Sorry…got carried away in a little nostalgia there for a moment!

  12. Dave on May 9th, 2008 3:39 pm

    No, you can’t just look at a players 5 week stretch in the PCL and decide that he’s good. LaHair sucks – really.

  13. gwangung on May 9th, 2008 3:40 pm

    LaHair sucks.

    Yah.

    But he might still be a better option than Sexson.

  14. Spanky on May 9th, 2008 3:41 pm

    Come to think of it…mom gave me a 14 day suspension from playing with friends.

  15. MedicineHat on May 9th, 2008 3:42 pm

    Darn it. Sexson’s suspension is going to hurt my Rotis team. The guy who’s competing with me for first has Sexson.

  16. thefin190 on May 9th, 2008 3:43 pm

    Ibanez would make sense besides the fact there is no real sub for LF. O wait, there is Jim Edmonds…no he probably stinks now, even though the M’s would I guess only owe him a prorated minimum.

    LaHair sucks.

    Well said Dave.

  17. Spanky on May 9th, 2008 3:45 pm

    Dave…any update on the Future Forty??

  18. Mat on May 9th, 2008 3:46 pm

    Lahair is putting up a 290/367/548 line this season. I thought minor league success is a good indicator of MLB success. No?

    Based on LaHair’s minor league career before 2008, ZiPS had him projected to hit .259/.311/.409 with the Mariners this year, compared to league average 1B/DH line of .267/.351/.452.

    Sexson’s hit .209/.303/.435 so far (and been unlucky according to PrOPS and has a better ZiPS projection than LaHair), so I don’t see why we would expect LaHair to outperform Richie over a six-game stretch in the near future.

  19. Tek Jansen on May 9th, 2008 3:46 pm

    Ibanez to 1B and call up Reed. That would be a better option than LaHair. Not great, but, internally, the M’s have little else.

  20. coasty141 on May 9th, 2008 3:47 pm

    12
    What about the .290/.349/.454 line Lahair has put up in his minor league career? That 2000+ AB’s. Not an out of this world line but if Lahairs power continues to develop I’d take a Overbay clone.

  21. AquaFrog on May 9th, 2008 3:50 pm

    Broussard’s been DFA. Thoughts?

  22. Dave on May 9th, 2008 3:50 pm

    An .800 minor league OPS for a 25 year old first baseman is the definition of sucks.

  23. jro on May 9th, 2008 3:51 pm

    Prediction: Richie’s suspension will have little effect on overall team output.

  24. Tek Jansen on May 9th, 2008 3:52 pm

    This discussion reminds me of why Sexson is still the M’s starting 1B. They just don’t have much else.

  25. fetish on May 9th, 2008 3:53 pm

    I think the suspension is a bit heavy. Maybe not in today’s era, but there was a team – as recently as the 90′s, when charging the mound wouldn’t get you suspended at all, just ejected. Sure, throwing the helmet I guess is “extra”, but I think everyone understands that Gabbard was indeed throwing at Sexson (even if he didn’t come close, the intent was clearly there), so there that is.

    I’d go, 2 or 3 games for Sexson. 6 or 7 Gabbard, as he’s a starting pitcher that’s about the equivalent of a half-game suspension.

  26. Dave on May 9th, 2008 3:55 pm

    The pitch was closer to being a strike than it was to hitting Sexson. Suspending Gabbard would be ridiculous.

  27. red_devil20 on May 9th, 2008 3:55 pm

    Two quick thoughts.
    1. I like the idea of trying Ibanez at first for 6 games, calling up Reed, and getting rid of Cairo.
    2. Could we trade Hulett back for Broussard, and have him play 1st, then come off the bench, and get rid of Cairo.

  28. MedicineHat on May 9th, 2008 3:57 pm

    As much as I like Bavasi on a personal level, he’s in a bad situation right now. The “right” thing to do, IMO, is to rebuild this team. Play the youngsters, trade/release the old parts that aren’t a part of this future, and get ready for the offseason & next year.

    The problem with that is, Bavasi is under pressure to win now. So although he may “know better,” he is in the position where he might not make deals he would normally feel are right to win now. Future possibly be damned.

    I think the best thing that could happen to the M’s is for a new GM to be brought in so he can clean it up and start fresh.

  29. fetish on May 9th, 2008 3:57 pm

    22 – maybe i’m misreading, or that stat is misquoted,
    but his OPS in the minors appears to be .915, not .800

  30. fetish on May 9th, 2008 3:58 pm

    The Reed at LF, Ibanez at 1B, Vidro/Clement at DH sounds like the best option in any case.

  31. MedicineHat on May 9th, 2008 3:59 pm

    25…so now the league has to be involved in reading someone’s “intent”? The pitch was high, but over the plate. You want to suspend a guy for throwing the ball over the plate? I’m confused.

  32. Dave on May 9th, 2008 4:03 pm

    Including this year, LaHair’s career line is .291/.350/.460. That’s an .810 OPS.

    He’s Greg Dobbs with worse defense.

  33. Steve T on May 9th, 2008 4:06 pm

    Fetish @29 — .915 this year, .800 career. Those are not attractive minor league numbers for a 1B. Do not make the mistake of thinking that “minor league numbers matter” means “minor league numbers will be exactly repeated in the majors”. For starters, there’s league and park effects.

    LaHair’s not very good. But hey, neither is Cairo, and neither is Sexson (especially a banned Sexson).

    I wanna see LaHair play shortstop.

  34. Mat on May 9th, 2008 4:10 pm

    so now the league has to be involved in reading someone’s “intent”? The pitch was high, but over the plate. You want to suspend a guy for throwing the ball over the plate? I’m confused.

    Umpires have to be involved with judging intent in the heat of the moment during a game. Why is it completely unreasonable for intent to matter when handing out suspensions after league officials have had time to mull the matter over? While personally I wouldn’t suspend Gabbard in this case, I could see a suspension being warranted for a pitch that missed but was clearly intended to hit the batter.

  35. timc on May 9th, 2008 4:11 pm

    You know, an alien who only followed the M’s would think Dave’s positional adjustments for player evaluation are backwards – because OBVIOUSLY DH and 1B are the toughest positions to find talent. Corner outfielder, too. Sigh.

  36. lailaihei on May 9th, 2008 4:11 pm

    Including this year, LaHair’s career line is .291/.350/.460. That’s an .810 OPS.

    He’s Greg Dobbs with worse defense.

    Sounds like an improvement over Cairo.

  37. RoninX on May 9th, 2008 4:13 pm

    Come on guys can’t you see that Richie charging the mound was an effort by a gritty veteran to take a minor incident and fire up the team… /sarcasm

    Though actually, the more times I see the replay the more I can imagine McLaren holding a veterans only meeting sometime this week and telling them to take any opportunity they had to do something like that.

    The funniest thing about the whole situation is the fact the Yuni practically beat Sexson to the pitchers mound! Why can’t he get that kind of a jump when he’s trying to steal a base?

  38. SpokaneMsFan on May 9th, 2008 4:17 pm

    Dave, in your opinion is there any chance the organization would look at picking Broussard back up? And would you favor that move or have any other alternatives? Thank you.

  39. MedicineHat on May 9th, 2008 4:18 pm

    a pitch that missed but was clearly intended to hit the batter.

    Clearly to who? To *some* M’s fans and Sexson? Gabbard wasn’t ejected at the time…so the on-field umpires don’t agree with you. Gabbard wasn’t fined or suspended…so the league office doesn’t agree with you. Maybe he meant to throw one high and tight. Maybe it just got away from him. I certainly don’t agree with you that the pitch was supposed to hit Sexson.

    So maybe it wasn’t so obvious?

  40. Dave on May 9th, 2008 4:23 pm

    The M’s would be more likely to sign Jim Edmonds than trade for Ben Broussard.

  41. SpokaneMsFan on May 9th, 2008 4:26 pm

    Can’t they just pick him up on waivers if no one else wants to trade the Rangers for him in the next 9 days? Or would they have to give someone up for him?

  42. marc w on May 9th, 2008 4:27 pm

    I think I agree with everyone in this thread.

    LaHair both ‘sucks’ and still may be a viable option.

    so I don’t see why we would expect LaHair to outperform Richie over a six-game stretch in the near future.

    This is true, but it’s not Sexson he needs to outperform. Once Sexson’s back, he’d resume his 1B duties. We’re talking about 1B options in Sexson’s absence – I think LaHair has a better shot to add more runs on offense and defense (or rather, has a better shot to give up fewer) than Cairo, Bloomquist or Vidro.

    The other option, of course, would be to move Ibanez to 1B temporarily and bring Jeremy Reed up to fill the hole in LF. Reed has many of the same questions as LaHair, and you’d need to factor in the drop in defense from LaHair to Ibanez (LaHair isn’t good, but Ibanez would be terrible).
    Moving Clement to 1B now, when he’s never played a game there in his life, strikes me as desperate.

  43. Benno on May 9th, 2008 4:27 pm

    While I wouldn’t expect LaHair to be a great hitter, I think for this suspension (assuming it stands at 6 games) he is probably the best internal option for the team. Perhaps the Reed (LF) and Ibanez (1B) might work better, but when has this team shown the willingness to make such a move? Drop a pitcher for 10 days (whomever we can option to the minors) and then send LaHair back to the minors. I hate the 12 man pitching staff, anyways. If not LaHair, then who/what? Bloomquist, Vidro or Cairo? I don’t see how that is any better.

  44. SABRcat on May 9th, 2008 4:32 pm

    I too kinda think he was throwing at Sexy. I mean, it is not that often a player misses that high but still gets it over the plate. But then, he missed enough to not come close, so I agree with the whole dumbness of charging on that pitch. I liked Sexy trying to start a fire, but being a pussy and throwing the helmet instead of a fist kinda negated it for me. I mean, Sexy is huge.

    I vote Clement at first. If only because 1. my vote means about as much as Cairo’s avg. and 2. highly unlikely Raul goes there and we get a good person in OF.

    PS. 2 weeks ago I related that a Dodger’s fan said we sucked worse than them. And sadly, i must agree now and eat crow. Probably puke it all back on her tho.

  45. currcoug on May 9th, 2008 4:35 pm

    You might as well give LaHair a shot. At least LaHair is professional first basemen, with pop from the left side, who is murdering righties at AAA. In other words, the exact opposite of Cairo.

    Ach, what was I thinking? Cairo is indispensable as a mentor to Lopez and Betancourt.

  46. Steve T on May 9th, 2008 4:39 pm

    I’m just wondering if it’s going to put to bed the old “bench-clearing brawl wakes up sleeping bats” saw.

    I’m also a little worried that Felix is going to end his career in one of these melees. He certainly seems keen on them. And HE, not Gabbard, was DEFINITELY throwing at guys last night.

  47. marc w on May 9th, 2008 4:39 pm

    45 – good point; forgot about that.

    If a lefty’s on the mound, I think Cairo might actually be a better choice. LaHair should only ever face righties if he ends up being the guy they choose.

  48. MedicineHat on May 9th, 2008 4:42 pm

    Hey! Wilkerson is starting in LF tonight for the Blue Jays….yippee.

  49. DMZ on May 9th, 2008 4:43 pm

    LaHair has his own post now k thnx bye

  50. Lorenzo on May 9th, 2008 4:44 pm

    What about Broussard?

  51. DMZ on May 9th, 2008 4:44 pm

    Broussard has his own album.

  52. Karen on May 9th, 2008 4:45 pm

    Jeff Nye said, “I’m not sure six games is enough to send a clear message that throwing your helmet at people isn’t acceptable.”

    What I saw of Sexson’s post-game interview, it sounded like he was pretty contrite for “losing it” as he put it. He called his behavior unacceptable, too, and said he deserved the ejection.

    At least we’re not being treated to a Giambi/Clemens apology for some vague unnamed illegal/banned something.

  53. SpokaneMsFan on May 9th, 2008 4:48 pm

    Does anyone know what the “personal matter” Sexson had to attend to on Wednesday was? I’m wondering if whatever that may have been had him in a particularly bad mood to start with.

  54. currcoug on May 9th, 2008 4:55 pm

    While Sexson questioned his actions, he also indicated that Gabbard was throwing at him.

  55. joser on May 9th, 2008 4:56 pm

    I’m still willing to bet that Bavasi trades something of value to the Braves to get Norton back.

  56. scraps on May 9th, 2008 5:01 pm

    Has anyone done a study on whether teams perform better after one of their players starts a brawl? or after their manager throws a fit and gets ejected? or any of the other crap that’s supposed to “light a fire”?

  57. Vortex on May 9th, 2008 5:04 pm

    SpokaneMsFan -
    According to Geoff Baker he was visiting his son in the hospital.

  58. SpokaneMsFan on May 9th, 2008 5:05 pm

    Well I guess that could have made him stressed out at the very least. Thanks for that info.

  59. scott19 on May 9th, 2008 5:10 pm

    I’m still willing to bet that Bavasi trades something of value to the Braves to get Norton back.

    Yeah, how ’bout Richie?

  60. msb on May 9th, 2008 5:48 pm

    frankly, I was expecting a longer suspension

    I’m also a little worried that Felix is going to end his career in one of these melees. He certainly seems keen on them.

    reminds me of your average minor-league hockey player in his readiness to throw down the gloves …

  61. wabbles on May 9th, 2008 6:16 pm

    Ya know, if Sexson did indeed charge the mound because of a pitch that was closer to being a strike than hitting him, maybe that just epitomizes his output the past two years? Maybe the M’s will “send a message” and suspend him for the season. Then we can get a real IB in there. …. OK, I’m awake now. ‘sigh’ That was a nice dream.

  62. psquared on May 9th, 2008 6:16 pm

    I agree that suspending Gabbard doesn’t make sense.
    However, I’m surprised the catcher wasn’t suspended. When looking at the replays it appeared that there were 3 different signs given:
    1) Middle finger inside: Pitcher says no
    2) Middle finger inside: Pitcher says no
    3) Pinky finger outside, index finger inside: Pitcher says yes
    The ball was thrown high, down the center of the plate. The catcher was set up inside and the ball was nowhere near there. Clearly something was up, but I don’t think the pitcher intentionally tried to hit Sexson.

  63. JMHawkins on May 9th, 2008 6:21 pm

    Miguel Cairo, starting 1B! Priceless! It’s like a comedy act

    Personally, I prefer the Abbott and Costello version of “Who’s on First.”

  64. joser on May 9th, 2008 6:37 pm

    That’s interesting, psquared. On the radio last night (in the immediate aftermath, not after the game) somebody said they thought Laird was calling for a brushback (they — I don’t recall who it was — said something about “flicking the thumb” IIRC though I have no idea if that’s a ‘standard’ sign). If that’s the case, and if Gabbard was shaking him off, then Sexson’s beef (to the extent he had one) should’ve been with the catcher, not the pitcher. Granted, charging the mound is the traditional move in this choreographed theater of rage, but it would’ve been more appropriate if Sexson had just turned and given Laird a shove, which would’ve planted him on his butt where the umpire could immediately intervene.

  65. FireBavasi on May 9th, 2008 6:40 pm

    Sexson proved how much his pitch recognition is off. Maybe being absolutely terrified of being hit explains his .209 BA.

    I have to believe a MLB pitcher could hit a 6’8″ guy 999 times out of 1000 if he really wanted to and the guy wasn’t expecting it.

  66. DanCooper on May 10th, 2008 1:12 am

    Regarding Richie Sexson’s cowardly idiotic attack on Texas Rangers pitcher Kason Gabbard on Thursday night, I think the Mariners got off easy from MLB: with Sexson being out of the line-up for six games, the Mariners will most likely benefit from his absence, so feeble is his game. This is not the way punishment is supposed to work.

    As many previous posters have noted, Gabbard’s pitch was nowhere near Sexson’s head, and Sexson’s childish response was, more than anything, a revealing indictment of his own eye for the strike zone; his invocation of his hospitalized kid as an excuse for his behavior was just pathetic. A more appropriate treatment of Sexson and the Mariners would be for MLB to force the Mariners to USE SEXSON FOR EVERY SCHEDULED GAME FOR THE NEXT MONTH, with this term being extended for two weeks for every game he still misses during such time short of a life-threatening emergency. This would be genuine punishment of Sexson, the Mariners and, unfortunately, truth be told, their fans.

  67. samson on May 11th, 2008 8:07 am

    What it boils down to….

    If he was getting thrown at, he should be applauded for being a man and sticking up for himself. In that case, the GM should give him a bonus.

    If he wasn’t getting thrown at, he got the suspension he deserved.

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