Off-day pro-con

DMZ · May 29, 2008 at 8:30 am · Filed Under Mariners 

Pro: Extra day to bask in series win over the Red Sox. The Red Sox!
Con: Would like to see team win 3-4 instead of settling for 2-3.
Pro: Vidro doesn’t pick up PAs towards his option vesting
Pro: Extra day to brace yourself for Silva start (have you considered investing in a quality neck brace?)
Pro: Entire day can be spent voting for you favorite Mariners in the All-Star balloting. Vote for deserving candidates like Ichiro! and Beltre, maybe. And, uh…


68 Responses to “Off-day pro-con”

  1. Broadcast James on May 29th, 2008 12:23 pm

    #35… On Lopez…

    So I decided to use WPA as my basis for choosing all-stars this year. This excludes defense, but since when was the all-star game about defense? WPA makes sense (to me) for choosing all-stars. Remember it’s the “All-Star Game”, not the “All-The-Best-Players Game”. 🙂

    So after sorting by position, and removing the Yankees and the Red Sox players… I have BOTH Lopez and Betancourt getting votes. Since this isn’t the “list out your all-star votes message board”, I’ll just say I have 2 Twins, 2 Mariners, an Oriole, one White Sox dude, two Texans, and an Athletic. I also did 3 SPs a lefty Setup, a righty and a closer, and let’s just say none of them are Mariners.

    btw…. If I hadn’t excluded the Red Sox and Yankees, only Pedroia, Matsui and Manny would have received votes. So yeah #39, 7/9 is a bit high. (And one of MY three not getting in, so there’s that)

    (I’m starting to hate the Red Sox more than the Yankees)

  2. joser on May 29th, 2008 12:34 pm

    No it doesn’t. They don’t tell you you can only consider the season-to-date.

    Right, but that’s all most of the fans who do the voting actually consider. At least, that’s the case for the vast majority I’ve ever talked to about it. The hardcore fans who actually know what’s going on in the other league and outside their division, and can tell you about an underappreciated relief pitcher in Pittsburgh, are not those people. They’re vastly outnumbered by the folks who just go by the web gems they’ve seen the past couple of months, and maybe by how the players in their fantasy league are doing so far.

    Heck, I remember reading (and being astonished by) a Tom Verducci mailbag where, in response to a reader question, he admitted he didn’t consider the last half of the previous season when making his all-star picks.

  3. DMZ on May 29th, 2008 12:36 pm

    Ah, I understand the distinction.

  4. joser on May 29th, 2008 12:48 pm

    Yeah, it’s not a structural flaw in the vote, it’s a cognitive flaw in the people doing the voting.

  5. msb on May 29th, 2008 1:01 pm

    PRO: Baltimore loves The Pear

    CON: Baltimore loves The Pear.

  6. Slippery Elmer on May 29th, 2008 1:38 pm

    So, is it too early to declare the Baek DFA a success? 😉

  7. bratman on May 29th, 2008 2:09 pm

    Pro: We don’t have to watch these guys tonight.
    Con: We will be reading how many other successful teams use Sabermetrics.

    Theo Epstein graduated from University of San Diego Law
    Bill Bavasi graduated from University of San Diego …

    They should practically be the same person, right?

    oh yeah, Theo did undergrad at Yale (minor footnote).

    oh yeah, Theo also hired Bill James and Eric Van as analysts.

    Oh yeah, Bill Bavasi …. uhh …. hired

    It’s not like Theo has any rings to show for the stupidity of hiring James and Van or anything.

  8. msb on May 29th, 2008 2:11 pm

    aaaaaaaaaaaand the day after brings us Ian Furness once again obsessing about Bedard & the media.

  9. bratman on May 29th, 2008 2:16 pm

    58 –

    on a side note, last night Nelly sided with Bedard on not having Joh as his catcher.

    To paraphrase:

    “Bedard doesn’t say much anyways, and having a catcher that already lacks some communication skills can really end up hurting a guy like Bedard.”

    If the guy doesn’t want to talk – who cares. If he throws like last night is that not enough?

  10. msb on May 29th, 2008 2:18 pm

    last night we were told success was had because Burke made Bedard throw more change-ups.

    last week we were told Joh was a problem as catcher because he asked the pitchers to throw more breaking pitches than fast balls.

  11. bratman on May 29th, 2008 2:34 pm

    from 2006 re: manny trade rumors:

    From Rotoworld:
    Michael Silverman says the Mariners refused to part with J.J. Putz and Adam Jones and apparently made Putz untouchable in talks. So, Putz, a soon-to-be 30-year-old reliever with a career ERA of 3.47 in 205 innings, cannot be had in trade talks, but Rafael Soriano, a soon-to-be 27-year-old reliever with a 2.89 ERA in 171 innings,

    can be had for a No. 4 starter

    . Genius.

    I guess he got his wish with Horrible Horacio

    Also MSB we were told on December 7 of 2006:

    “Our goal coming to the winter meetings was to get help in our starting rotation and that’s what we did today,” Bavasi said. “Horacio is a young left-handed starter who makes us better immediately.”

    Don’t you love it.

  12. bratman on May 29th, 2008 2:39 pm

    Sorry for the poor HTML layout

  13. msb on May 29th, 2008 3:01 pm

    oh, apparently Bedard could be a jerk if he was being “what a number one starter is”.

  14. bratman on May 29th, 2008 3:08 pm

    63- did ferness say that?

  15. joser on May 29th, 2008 3:15 pm

    Yeah (as I mentioned in the game thread) the AP guy was pissy because Bedard makes his job harder:

    Fastballs that flew past Boston’s flailing bats. Curves sharp enough to break the will of the Red Sox . Then, diving cut fastballs and tricky changeups.

    So this is why Seattle traded five players to Baltimore for Erik Bedard.

    ”It was all right,” Bedard (4-3) said with a shrug of the shoulders.

    The ace of few words gave more insight to whomever he was text messaging at his locker for five minutes instead of answering questions from the media.

    Bummer, Mr AP guy. I guess instead of showing up half drunk and stoned to have sound bites handed to you you’re going to have to spend a little less of your time surfing for porn one-handed and, I don’t know, actually do a little work for your paycheck.

    I do love the fact that when asked the difference between this start and his (9 run) last start in New York, Bedard’s one-word answer was “Location” — leaving them wondering if he was talking about pitches or geography. With a little tutoring from Ichiro, Bedard has a lot of potential for cryptic hilarity.

  16. bratman on May 29th, 2008 3:18 pm

    Bedard has a lot of potential for cryptic hilarity.

    I am actually starting to love Bedard. Making for some great comedy.

  17. msb on May 29th, 2008 3:37 pm

    tonight one can listen to Curto describe Rainiers vs Fresno baseball, or watch Eric Chavez rehab with the River Cats vs the Beavers on FSN

  18. scott19 on May 29th, 2008 5:59 pm

    “Our goal coming to the winter meetings was to get help in our starting rotation and that’s what we did today,” Bavasi said. “Horacio is a young left-handed starter who makes us better immediately.”

    Well, that move at least did help somebody out…namely, local drug and grocery stores in the Puget Sound area who had a run on OTC stomach meds every time he started a game. 😮

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