The open stance

DMZ · June 15, 2008 at 10:23 am · Filed Under Mariners 

Sexson, up to May 26th: .200/.277/.413
Sexson, since returning to the lineup with that new, open stance: .263/.349/.263

Assuming for a second that his performance coming back is entirely representative and a reflection only of his open stance change, that’s +72 OBP, -150 SLG.



18 Responses to “The open stance”

  1. jro on June 15th, 2008 10:44 am

    If I remember correctly, Boone used to take an approach at the plate where he would position to swing “as a slugger” anytime he had less than two strikes, but would open up his stance & shorten his swing when he had two strikes. It would be interesting to note Boone’s numbers in 2000/2001/2002 in less-than-two-strikes vs. two-strike counts. Anyone know how to grok those numbers?

    Even though it’s a major improvement for Sexie, it’s still $15 million for a .260 singles hitter with zero speed. No wonder this front office doesn’t like performance-based evaluation.

  2. DMZ on June 15th, 2008 10:47 am

    That’s not a major improvement.

  3. jro on June 15th, 2008 10:59 am

    I must have dyslexia, because I was transposing the slugging percentages. Yes, that would be an improvement in the negative.

    Never mind. 😉

  4. Kouvre on June 15th, 2008 11:04 am

    “If I’d just tried for them dinky singles I could’ve batted around .600 .265.” – Babe Ruth Richie Sexson

  5. thr33niL on June 15th, 2008 11:09 am

    Haven’t seen a topic on this but [deleted, ot]

  6. derubino on June 15th, 2008 11:11 am

    Is that really any improvement at all? At least he was a power threat before. Seems like we’ve just traded a crappy hitting power threat for an average hitting non-power threat.

  7. revbill on June 15th, 2008 11:12 am

    I can’t wait for the stories next spring training about how Sexson has been working all offseason with a hitting coach, he may have been hiding an injury, he is in the best shape of his life, he got laser eye surgery, the Mariners didn’t have a “winning attitude,” the fans booed too much, and he is just a few years removed from being an RBI machine. I just hope it is some other team’s beat reporter writing the story.

  8. Dave in Palo Alto on June 15th, 2008 11:19 am

    Huh. If we DFA’d Sexson, Vidro & Cairo, would anyone pick them up? I doubt anyone would waste a roster slot on Vidro/Cairo, maybe someone grabs Sexson for a backup role & RH PH. How much worse can it get than starting players — including a cleanup hitting DH — who couldn’t even crack a roster anywhere else?

    How in the name of Jose Baez can the M’s continue to send these sinkholes to the plate?

    (BTW, Jose Baez’s numbers were similar to Vidro’s, and Baez had some defensive value. He was also Manny Mota’s cousin.)

  9. Wallingfjord on June 15th, 2008 11:21 am

    Did this come up at the USSM/LL shindig yesterday?

    Sorry I missed it…

  10. DMZ on June 15th, 2008 11:31 am


  11. Breadbaker on June 15th, 2008 11:37 am

    So essentially the M’s have turned a guy who could occasionally hit a homer or a double into a guy who can’t ever hit a homer or a double, in return for a few points of batting average (which he’ll probably give back to the league once pitchers realize which pitches he can’t hit at all with that stance. The phrase “Big Whoop” is running through my head, but that sort of fits every other move by this management, too.

  12. coasty141 on June 15th, 2008 11:49 am

    Generally, changing to an open stance is as of a result of a batter not being able to get around on fastballs. This just further confirms that Sexson is done.

  13. ASUBoyd on June 15th, 2008 11:58 am

    I guess for a positive spin – don’t some people consider a point of OBP 3x as valuable as a point of SLG?

    Grasping at straws. Sexson sucks.

  14. edgar for mayor on June 15th, 2008 12:11 pm

    I don’t know if the stance has anything to do with it just yet. Just a guess, but is a small sample size to work with so far.
    But whatever the case, he doens’t have bat speed and he is aging like Milk, so even if he has lost his power, I doubt moving his foot back to normal will bring it back. he’s done.

  15. Steve T on June 15th, 2008 12:17 pm

    I believe the M’s will not be satisfied until they run out a lineup of nine sub-.600 hitters out there. A whole team of Willie Bloomquists! The KJR crowd will finally get what they’ve been screaming for for the last five years.

  16. Steve T on June 15th, 2008 1:05 pm

    Nobody considers a point of OBP 3x a point of SLG. More like 1.4x.

  17. ASUBoyd on June 15th, 2008 1:25 pm

    Re: 16 – You must not have read Moneyball.

  18. ASUBoyd on June 15th, 2008 1:30 pm

    for reference…pg 128 – “He (Paul Depodesta) proceeded to tinker with his own version of Bill James’s “Runs Created” formular. When he was finished, he had a model for predicting run production that was more accurate than any he knew of. In his model an extra point of on-base percentage was worth three times an extra point of slugging percentage.”

    So, yeah. At least one person considers a point of OBP 3x a point of SLG.

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