The great, the bad

DMZ · June 23, 2008 at 10:53 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

You can get so much from one MLB Gameday still.

Gameday screen of the Felix grand slam

Look at that thing. And look at all that information. Sweet, delicious information.

Felix now has more home runs than Willie Bloomquist and Miguel Cairo combined.

The bad:
Tuesday’s starter is Dickey.
Wednesday’s starter is Batista.
Friday’s starter is Washburn.
Saturday’s starter is Silva.
And then… ?

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66 Responses to “The great, the bad”

  1. Rumpelstiltskin on June 23rd, 2008 11:06 pm

    Is Charlie Hough still alive?

  2. mearls on June 23rd, 2008 11:11 pm

    Would a pitching machine do? If we look at those four names as a series of data points, it would fit right in.

    Maybe we could get one in a trade with the Family Fun Center in Renton, assuming the M’s have anything they’d take.

  3. Adam S on June 23rd, 2008 11:12 pm

    I was wondering when we’d get the obligatory post/comment that Felix has more XBH than Bloomquist.

    Dickey would be on four days rest on Sunday, as would Batista on Monday. Let’s hope Felix or Bedard (did I miss an update on him) is ready by Tuesday.

  4. enazario on June 23rd, 2008 11:13 pm

    Johan was bitching about the fact it was a lucky shot by Felix. Waaaaa!

  5. BrianL on June 23rd, 2008 11:15 pm

    ESPN seems to be reporting that Felix is still scheduled to make his next start, no idea if that means Sunday against the Padres or if the rotation is going to be shuffled to buy him some more time.

  6. optigan on June 23rd, 2008 11:20 pm

    I don’t know much about the code of baseball, could someone tell me which part of Beltran Dickey’s supposed to aim at tomorrow?

  7. Grizz on June 23rd, 2008 11:28 pm

    Well, this could be fun. RRS is probably the only option from the bullpen, but he is not stretched out. The only three starters on the 40-man roster in the minors are Feierabend (who is hurt), Sean White (who has been pretty bad), and Joe Woerman (same as White). Of the non-40-man roster starters in Tacoma, the two guys pitching the best right now might be independent league refugee Chris Jakubauskas or nine-year minor league veteran Rich Dorman. Dorman would be a nice story.

  8. Benne on June 23rd, 2008 11:35 pm

    The only three starters on the 40-man roster in the minors are Feierabend (who is hurt), Sean White (who has been pretty bad), and Joe Woerman (same as White).

    Well, there goes my plan, as I was endorsing Feierabend in the other thread.

    If nothing else, why not go with the funny name, Jakubauskas?

  9. profmac on June 23rd, 2008 11:40 pm

    Eric Johnson on Komo 4 News just said that the x-rays came back negative, and that Felix has a sprained ankle, and is expected to make his next scheduled start…

    Good news.

  10. jlc on June 24th, 2008 12:10 am

    Larry Stone seems cautiously optimistic.

    I’m much less worried about not getting the number one pick than I was 12 hours ago. Sigh.

  11. mln on June 24th, 2008 12:18 am

    I don’t know about other people, but I can feel the excitement building over Willie’s streak. Every AB that he gets without an XBH, the anticipation and drama build.

    Willie Bloomquist, Chasing History.

  12. HamNasty on June 24th, 2008 12:37 am

    Felix Hernandez said F*@$ your COUCH! That was an amazing highlight to see. I would say top 10 of Mariner history.

  13. Gerald on June 24th, 2008 1:18 am

    They should just put him on the DL. Stop desperately scratching for wins by rushing him back after an injury. I think that calf is bothering him anyway. He seemed kinda gimpy after his last at bat and it wouldn’t hurt him to rest it.

  14. Breadbaker on June 24th, 2008 1:43 am

    Woerman is probably the better choice. He’s been pretty good his last two starts; White has been pretty bad.

  15. RallyFried on June 24th, 2008 2:00 am

    Felix Hernandez said F*@$ your COUCH!

    I think that sums up the moment perfectly.

  16. msb on June 24th, 2008 6:48 am

    Johan was bitching about the fact it was a lucky shot by Felix.

    well, it was :)

  17. SequimRealEstate on June 24th, 2008 6:56 am

    msb Would not small sample size as to Felix ability to hit apply? How many at bats has he had? I just want to savor the moment of that totally unexpected might have been luck hit.

  18. b_rider on June 24th, 2008 7:06 am

    It was good to see that Beltran called Felix afterward to see if he was okay. He’s not a dirty player; as Beltran said, it just happened very fast. Sometimes Felix wants so much to win that he puts himself in dangerous situations.

  19. zzyzx on June 24th, 2008 7:20 am

    I’d love to see Felix’s 2008 APBA card. It would have so many 1′s on it.

    There were two schools of thought about playing that baseball simulation game. Some people believed that you should try to use players to the same degree that they played. Me? I gamed the system. Sure this amazing card came from a pitcher who only batted twenty times all season. It doesn’t mean that I can’t play him in the outfield and bat him cleanup. For people who have no shame, Felix Hernandez 2008 might be one of the best seasons in the history of simulation games.

  20. smb on June 24th, 2008 7:21 am

    Maybe now is the time to swoop in with the lifetime contract offer…while he’s got a little taste of his own mortality and all. Give him $300 million!

  21. msb on June 24th, 2008 7:43 am

    quote of the day:

    So what was his plan at the plate?

    “Just swing,” he said. “I closed my eyes, anyway.”

  22. TheEmrys on June 24th, 2008 7:43 am

    Wasn’t this Felix’s first AB this season? If so, his OPS is 5.000.

  23. cdowley on June 24th, 2008 7:44 am

    They should just put him on the DL. Stop desperately scratching for wins by rushing him back after an injury. I think that calf is bothering him anyway. He seemed kinda gimpy after his last at bat and it wouldn’t hurt him to rest it.

    I’d actually be willing to agree with that. Watching it on TiVo last night, he was clearly having issues with the calf starting 3-4 pitches before that, most notably on the WP that set up the injury and the ball in the dirt before that. He visibly staggered as he came off the mound after both pitches, and his mechanics were way of their norm.

  24. coffeemonkey on June 24th, 2008 7:52 am

    Bloomquist and Cairo have a combined 180 plate appearances. As we know Bloomquist does not have an extra base hit this year in his 81 plate appearances. Cairo has only two extra base hits in his 79 plate appearances. Their combined line is 0.220/0.319/0.235. Wow.

  25. msb on June 24th, 2008 8:04 am

    paraphrasing Riggleman on the radio this morning:

    “[Felix] is talking about making his next start, we’ll be real tentative about that”

    “Richie thinks he’s got some good baseball left, at 33 he is sure he has something left. I’m putting him out there to let him show us, but time is running out…”

    “Vidro has a knee problem that has hobbled him, and he has never been at full strength all season long. He’s still a professional hitter, and other clubs will see him at bat and say, oh man that guy’s a hitter”

    and re: Bedard? to sum up a long long answer… Bedard doesn’t care what others think, he’s not going to do anything to change what you think, he justs wants to pitch, to help the team to win, and to do his training & work to help his pitching and to help the team win.

  26. tgf on June 24th, 2008 8:21 am

    “Vidro has a knee problem that has hobbled him, and he has never been at full strength all season long. He’s still a professional hitter, and other clubs will see him at bat and say, oh man that guy’s a hitter”

    Or is it “Oh man…[chuckles]…that guy’s a hitter?”

  27. DAMellen on June 24th, 2008 8:33 am

    What do you guys think of RRS as a starter? Think he could be a decent 3 or 4? Or does he give up too many flyballs to even be mediocre?

  28. Grizz on June 24th, 2008 8:46 am

    What do you guys think of RRS as a starter?

    Check the archives for Dave’s offseason plan.

  29. Benno on June 24th, 2008 8:48 am

    Regarding the comment about Vidro. What is it with this team and the injury excuse? If a player is hurt (and I don’t think it is the case) and struggling, isn’t that what the DL is for? Ibanez and Sexson were “hurt” last year. Ibanez got healthy and started to hit. Put them on the DL, call up the prospect for two weeks, let the player get healthy and get them back on the field. Its getting absurd and nobody is calling the team on it.

  30. Ralph_Malph on June 24th, 2008 9:01 am

    I don’t know much about the code of baseball, could someone tell me which part of Beltran Dickey’s supposed to aim at tomorrow?

    It doesn’t matter — he would miss him.

  31. bakomariner on June 24th, 2008 9:07 am

    Last night was so good and so bad…the grand slam was a top-ten moment in franchise history…but the injury, topped with the stubborn use of the players (Raul and Willie both starting in the outfield with ICHIRO! in RF is ridiculous) is getting on me…they have already admitted defeat…why not drop Sexson, Cairo, and Vidro TODAY and bring up three kids to see what they can do?

    We know that some of the players in the minors might not be ready, or might not pan out, but I’d rather see an outfield of Reed, ICHIRO!, and WLAD with Diaz up as the 4th outfielder and LaHair at 1B…

    These guys may have no future in the longrun, but I’d rather watch mediocre young kids than broken down has-beens…

    Same with the rotation…get those pieces of crap out of there and see what the kids can do…

    And pray for THE KING to return promptly…

  32. cdowley on June 24th, 2008 9:11 am

    Just brought the game back up on the TiVo after watching the injury on Baseball Tonight earlier this morning (Showalter’s an ass BTW. Blame Felix for doing the right thing on the play by blocking out the plate? Right…), and noticed something that really annoyed me.

    Beltran showed no concern whatsoever.

    Most players would at least hover around, try to see if the guy’s OK, etc., etc. Beltran didn’t even look at Felix besides a glance as he staggered off and crumpled. Just went back to the dugout and sat down like nothing happened.

    I didn’t much like Beltran before this, but now I have a reason…

  33. jro on June 24th, 2008 9:18 am

    I seriously need something to look forward to, and the next GM hire is too far out in time. I’m now waiting for roster changes.

    Derek – not sure if you’re open to suggestions, but a trade deadline countdown ticker on the site would provide new-found suspense.

  34. DMZ on June 24th, 2008 9:23 am

    New-found?

  35. smb on June 24th, 2008 9:23 am

    I don’t have a problem with what Showalter said, except that earlier in the same damn show he whined about players not backing up throws–called it his biggest pet peeve. Sure, Felix did the right thing covering the plate, but I’d prefer him to have a little better sense of his own value in the context of an already lost season. Pretty much any risk is too much risk when it comes to Felix, especially so when we have a decent lead, and he could have covered for the throw without trying to get down and block the plate. I imagine opinions would be a little different if his cleat had stuck like Alou’s did back in the Montreal turf and we were looking at a compound fracture instead.

  36. bakomariner on June 24th, 2008 9:25 am

    jro-

    the trade deadline is at the end of July…you don’t really need a counter…look at a calendar…

  37. busplunger on June 24th, 2008 9:32 am

    I don’t have any problem with Beltran’s reaction. He slid cleanly through an impact play at the plate, hopped up and jogged back to his dugout without looking back. He probably didn’t even know Felix was hurt until he got back to his dugout.

    Everybody’s probably watching Felix’s ankle on the replays, but Clement actually makes a pretty decent dive at Beltran with the ball in hand. Which makes it a shame that Felix got run over, because he wasn’t going to get the throw anyway. Still, he didn’t have time to get out of the way once it was clear Clement was going for the tag.

    Just one of those things that happens; nobody’s fault. Glad Felix sounds better already.

  38. Joe C on June 24th, 2008 9:36 am

    Just sign the man and be done with it.

  39. bakomariner on June 24th, 2008 9:40 am

    There’s no reason for Felix to be blocking the plate…catchers have ARMOR on for a reason…even if Clement could have gotten Felix the ball, he should have positioned himself to make a swiping tag on Beltran…not blocking the plate with his own body…

    Gotta love the heart and willingness to do whatever it takes to win, but that was extremely stupid…he had a 4 run lead in a game that he was absolutely dealing in…and a game in a season that doesn’t matter for shit…big heart, little brain…

    And I’m not saying Felix is stupid, but he made a stupid decision…

    Just glad it’s not major…

  40. smb on June 24th, 2008 9:50 am

    Yeha, I should clarify…it definitely wasn’t the right thing to do in the situation, but I have a hard time calling it wrong anytime a guy gets hurt trying to make a play or go the extra mile. He really shouldn’t have kneeled down in front of the plate like that.

  41. JI on June 24th, 2008 9:50 am

    A gif tells even more.

  42. Joe C on June 24th, 2008 9:51 am

    You can only break down what Felix did in a split second for so long. They went on about it on the post game show for at least a half hour.

    Nothing against Ichiro, but I’d rather have a guy do what Felix did than run out of the basepath to avoid being touched and give up a chance to be safe in a pickle.

    I’d want Felix to do the same thing next time, but that doesn’t stop me from fearing that he’ll get hurt.

  43. Jeff Nye on June 24th, 2008 9:54 am

    I don’t really have a problem with what Felix did on that play, to be honest.

    Now, the coaching staff should definitely be having a conversation with him about taking smarter risks; but this is a decision you make in a split second, and it’s based on reflexes from having played baseball for a long time.

  44. chris23 on June 24th, 2008 9:55 am

    This is off topic, not sure where to post it. [deleted, off-topic; try sending an email to the authors instead]

  45. bakomariner on June 24th, 2008 9:56 am

    42- If you want Felix to do that again, you are asking for him to get hurt…like I said before, it was a stupid decision…

  46. Breadbaker on June 24th, 2008 10:01 am

    1. Beltran’s slide was clean and appropriate. He didn’t come barrelling in. There is no grounds for retaliation of any sort.

    2. Felix only has one gear to play and that’s all out. He’s 22 years old and he plays like an enthusiastic kid. At the same time, he’s no Butch Hobson (who played like a football player). This was an unfortunate situation, but baseball players don’t fail to cover bases because they might get hurt or because of the game or season situation. They go to the positions they have been trained to under all circumstances. The easiest way for someone to get hurt is to try to change those rules without telling their teammates.

  47. Mike Snow on June 24th, 2008 10:09 am

    The pitcher’s job when the ball gets away from the catcher is to cover the plate. Felix did what he was supposed to do. This comes up more in football, but once a play is broken it becomes more likely that things will continue to go wrong (including injuries) because players are forced to scramble. Nobody really did anything wrong here, it’s just an unfortunate circumstance. If somebody decides the unwritten code of baseball requires plunking Beltran today, okay, I imagine he can handle it, but I don’t think it’s critical either way.

  48. Jeff Nye on June 24th, 2008 10:09 am

    I’m not so sure I’d rubber-stamp Beltran’s slide as clean; while I don’t know that he was deliberately trying to hurt Felix (what’d be the upside for the Mets?), it may very well have been intended to try to force Felix to make the choice between letting the run score and getting a cleat to the ankle.

    Felix just made that choice differently than we might’ve liked.

  49. bakomariner on June 24th, 2008 10:14 am

    It’s all Felix’s fault…he let Beltran steal 3rd…he threw a bad ball in the dirt that his inexperienced catcher couldn’t handle…he chose to literally “cover” the plate instead of standing next to it to apply a tag, if the ball was thrown to him…there should be NO retaliation…this is on THE KING…

  50. busplunger on June 24th, 2008 10:27 am

    Again, I don’t fault Beltran in any of this, but I’d still love to see his reaction to getting beaned with a 60mph knuckleball. Could he keep a straight face?

  51. Joe C on June 24th, 2008 10:27 am

    Not sure any retaliation is necessary, but if they do, why not wait until later in the game with RRS or Morrow on the mound rather than Dickey. I know his fastball is better than Wakefield’s, but really, if we’re going to retaliate, let’s do it in the high 90′s.

  52. Jeff Nye on June 24th, 2008 10:32 am

    I don’t think there should be any retaliation, but that’s because I consider throwing at people to be ridiculous machismo that has no place in the modern game of baseball, not because Beltran is necessarily entirely blameless, or because somehow Felix brought this on himself(?)

  53. busplunger on June 24th, 2008 10:41 am

    I’m definitely 100% against throwing at anybody (ever), too. It’s just that the thought of sending your knuckleballer out there for “payback” makes me laugh.

  54. Jeff Nye on June 24th, 2008 10:44 am

    It’d be pretty entertaining to watch Dickey try to plunk someone with a knuckleball, to be sure.

  55. Rusty on June 24th, 2008 11:03 am

    Jayson Stark of ESPN:
    We want you to consider this: Prince Fielder has never hit a grand slam. But Felix Hernandez has.

    Ahem! I would have thought this was rather obvious: Prince is a Prince, Felix is a King.

  56. Jeff Nye on June 24th, 2008 11:11 am

    Ahem! I would have thought this was rather obvious: Prince is a Prince, Felix is a King.

    Comment of the day!

  57. bakomariner on June 24th, 2008 11:11 am

    Rusty-

    Nice!!!!!!

  58. dingdangdo on June 24th, 2008 2:16 pm

    I read Beltran contacted Felix after the game, Felix needs to be completely healthy before letting him back on the mound or he’s liable to try and gut it out. He starts compensating for injury by changing his mechanics and he’s liable to have shoulder, elbow problems crop up. He’s the future, the now is totally meaningless this season. Plus, given a rest, it will give him time to grow a mullet, and maybe a Goose Gossage foo manchu. Rigglemania

  59. smb on June 24th, 2008 2:36 pm

    dingdangdo,

    You just described Rod Beck, may he R.I.P.

    ROD BECK OHHHH YEAAAHHH!!

  60. dingdangdo on June 24th, 2008 3:07 pm

    [what does this have to do with the topic, again?]

  61. Rusty on June 24th, 2008 3:11 pm

    Felix needs to be completely healthy before letting him back on the mound or he’s liable to try and gut it out. He starts compensating for injury by changing his mechanics and he’s liable to have shoulder, elbow problems crop up.

    1. You’re assuming a lot if you feel Felix will try to “gut it out”. Other than wanting to throw one more pitch last night, I don’t see any other evidence that he engages in risky behavior that would cause injury.

    2. Every trainer, pitching coach, and pitcher is familiar with the issue of niggling injuries forcing a change of mechanics on the mound. Since it has happened on occasion, fans jump to the conclusion that it happens often. Whenever Felix does start again, it is highly likely that he is ready to go with his normal mechanics.

    3. Every person screaming for them to shut down Felix for several weeks is totally ignoring the opportunity cost of Felix not pitching. It is just possible that he has more to gain in skills & experience by pitching than by sitting on the shelf. By not missing a turn, he might become more ready for 2009, not less.

    The franchise has made some crappy decisions since 2001, but sacrificing Felix’s arm has not been one of them. He doesn’t get thrown out there for 130+ pitches game after game. If there is one silver lining to me in enduring all of the troubles of this team in recent years, it’s that they’ve made good decisions about Felix, to date. I don’t think that philosophy of caution gets thrown out the window as they make their next decision.

  62. dingdangdo on June 24th, 2008 3:25 pm

    He started off last season 17 innings his first 2 starts, then sat out injured for 2 weeks or so after experiencing tightness in his elbow. He’s apparently playing on an injured calf now, some other posts (#13, #23)address that issue. So yeah, I think the kid kid has guts, and guts is enough. Except when it might cause other injuries, and that concerns me more than what he might lose by skipping some starts. And no, I don’t trust the M’s to be smart w/him, I don’t think this a brains kind of operation.

  63. dingdangdo on June 24th, 2008 3:28 pm

    That sounded kind of curt, sorry dude, got about 3 things going on right here, shoulda waited to respond, or not responded at all. Can we agree to disagree? Rigglemania

  64. et_blankenship on June 24th, 2008 3:30 pm

    You know what . . . I’m with Hank Steinbrenner on this. The National League needs to get with the program and adopt the designated hitter rule. In addition, in light of the Felix Hernandez injury, I believe it’s time for baseball to replace that treacherous pitcher’s mound with a Pope Box, accessible only through a tunnel from the dugout and kept at an even 77 degrees Fahrenheit at all times. The front of the box shall be concave, so any batted ball that comes into contact with it is corralled and funneled to a voice-activated motorized wheel that can precisely shoot the ball to any of the four bases. Should a play unfold that requires the pitcher to field a bunt, back up a throw, cover a base, or be involved in a run down, the pitcher may opt to deploy the Maddux GG18 from a rear compartment of the Pope Box. The Maddux GG18 is a bi-pedal robot with a soft, polymer shell and wispy porn stache designed to do nothing but play fundamentally sound defense and make small talk about golf and wine.

  65. Rusty on June 25th, 2008 7:56 am

    dingdangdo… Yes, agree to disagree.

    I like the plexiglass Pope Box idea.

  66. Rusty on June 25th, 2008 9:27 am

    Since the MLB telecast speculated that the HR would be big news in Caracas, I took a look at a headline from the El Nacional:

    Félix Hernández le bateó un gran slam a Johan Santana

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