M’s looking at USSM-endorsed candidates

DMZ · June 25, 2008 at 3:27 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Says Lincoln to concerned season ticketholder:

  • Paul DePodesta
  • Chris Antonetti
  • David Forst
  • Kim Ng

Awesome. I hope they get the full consideration they deserve.

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66 Responses to “M’s looking at USSM-endorsed candidates”

  1. BrianL on June 25th, 2008 3:28 pm

    Small victories, yay!

  2. crazyray7391 on June 25th, 2008 3:30 pm

    Well, if he’s being honest, that’s a great start.

  3. enazario on June 25th, 2008 3:31 pm

    It would be interesting to see which candidates turn us down. Chris has said that he is happy in Cleveland but I wonder how many will run for the hills once they speak to Chuck and Howard.

  4. RoninX on June 25th, 2008 3:31 pm

    Any idea whether those are those “among the candidate we are considering” or are they “the candidates we a targeting”

  5. Jeff Nye on June 25th, 2008 3:31 pm

    Obviously we like Antonetti, but really any of those four would be pretty awesome.

  6. Logger on June 25th, 2008 3:33 pm

    What is the source of this info?

  7. the other benno on June 25th, 2008 3:34 pm

    Does Kim Ng count as the mandatory minority candidate? Or do they have to interview a Black/Latino candidate as well?

  8. Typical Idiot Fan on June 25th, 2008 3:37 pm

    Does Kim Ng count as the mandatory minority candidate? Or do they have to interview a Black/Latino candidate as well?

    Does that rule apply for GM hirings?

  9. Derek (not DMZ, but nearly as awesome) on June 25th, 2008 3:38 pm

    Is the ordering of the names somehow relevant? I’m assuming this was an email response, so I’m curious if there’s a correlation to the original email’s name ordering. It’s interesting to see DePodesta on top there.

  10. the other benno on June 25th, 2008 3:39 pm

    I thought the minority requirement was GM as well as Manager, but I may be misremembering.

  11. don52656 on June 25th, 2008 3:39 pm

    Great news. Hope we land one of them. It’s good to know that the front office is apparently taking this selection seriously.

    It’s real easy to bash Lincoln/Armstrong, but let’s not forget, while we’re remembering the not-so-good decisions, that these are the same folks who hired Pat Gillick to be our GM a decade or so ago. That didn’t work out so bad.

  12. Mike Snow on June 25th, 2008 3:47 pm

    The real question is how many other names are on the list. Especially ones USS Mariner would have to “disendorse.”

  13. Jed MC on June 25th, 2008 3:50 pm

    I thought the manditory interview for at least one non-white guy was an NFL thing, not a MLB thing.

  14. crazyray7391 on June 25th, 2008 3:51 pm

    Mike Snow said:

    The real question is how many other names are on the list. Especially ones USS Mariner would have to “disendorse.”

    Well, I think everything went to hell when they found out that Krivsky got hired by those Mets bastards!

  15. zackr on June 25th, 2008 3:51 pm

    #4

    I’m sure they’re a few of the many being looked at. Lincoln is savvy enough to know that a fan asking that question is looking to hear names as far from the Bavasi philosophy as possible.

  16. cody on June 25th, 2008 3:58 pm

    Well, if those are their top canidates, I think this represents a change in philoshopy on how to build a bsaeball team. This could be good.
    Also, what is the source of this? Did HowChuck send out a letter to all the season ticketholders or something?

  17. Teej on June 25th, 2008 3:59 pm

    I thought the manditory interview for at least one non-white guy was an NFL thing, not a MLB thing.

    That’s what I thought, too.

    And regardless, wouldn’t Ng be a minority candidate on account of being Asian-American?

  18. NBarnes on June 25th, 2008 4:03 pm

    I think Ng qualifies as a minority candidate in the abstract sense, certainly. I have no idea what rules there are about such things in MLB.

    If any one of those four gets hired, I’ll be ecstatic.

  19. Steve T on June 25th, 2008 4:05 pm

    Ng qualifies pretty well as a candidate candidate, too.

    If they pick one of those four, how shocked is he or she going to be when there’s a USSM parade for them?

  20. NBarnes on June 25th, 2008 4:05 pm

    That list has a definite ‘We’re tired of getting pwnt by the As’ vibe to it. Unless they’re only adding those names ’cause they do read USSM and are only trying to buy enough PR space to hire Krivsky away from the Mets.

  21. msb on June 25th, 2008 4:07 pm

    in 1999 Selig issued a directive that teams had to include minority candidates for open positions and notify him of who they were interviewing. He has fined teams who fail to do so– and last year exempted the Dodger from the rule when they wanted to hire Torre because of their hiring record

  22. RoninX on June 25th, 2008 4:07 pm

    If they pick one of those four, how shocked is he or she going to be when there’s a USSM parade for them?

    If this happens then this has to be arranged. I’ll help build the float.

  23. Jeff Nye on June 25th, 2008 4:10 pm

    The float would have to have a pony on it.

  24. msb on June 25th, 2008 4:11 pm

    big enough for Willie to ride.

  25. thefin190 on June 25th, 2008 4:16 pm

    I would definitely be happy with any of these four GMs. I guess one good thing about DePodesta being GM would be the blogging. Infact, maybe even a GM that reads and comments USSM and LL, that would be something.

  26. jbarr08 on June 25th, 2008 4:21 pm

    How does mentioning Antonetti not violate tampering rules? It’s a big no-no with players who are under contract; why would any other club’s employees be any different?

  27. jbarr08 on June 25th, 2008 4:23 pm

    Actually, now that I think of it, all these folks are in some position with another club… it seems the only way they could talk about being interested in them would be to have first secured the okay to talk with them from the clubs they are under contract with right now. If they’ve done that, why would they not have mentioned it in a press release or something? Seems fishy to me. My two cents.

  28. DMZ on June 25th, 2008 4:27 pm

    Fishy in the sense that he didn’t state it?

    Because he did.

    And come on, they’re not going to put out a press release with “our original 100 names” and send another one out every week as they winnow it. Look to the last one for an example of how they’ll handle this. We’ll never know the full original list or the process they went through to narrow it.

  29. jzalman on June 25th, 2008 4:32 pm

    Derek, that didn’t quite answer an earlier question: are these “the candidates” or are these “among the candidates being considered” or was it unclear?

  30. jbarr08 on June 25th, 2008 4:38 pm

    Fishy in the sense that he didn’t state it?

    No, I wasn’t implying that you were making that up or anything (or that your source was). I’m just saying that announcing something like this in this fashion is as good as putting out a press release (since it ended up here), so what’s their motive for doing it? It seems strange, considering how opaque the management of the team has been (“we don’t discuss [whatever] in the press”). HoChuck aren’t dummies, so they knew the info would get out. I just want to know where the big change of heart came from. It doesn’t seem to fit the prior M.O., that’s all. If there’s anything we’ve seen demonstrated in the past, it’s been “say one thing publicly, do something else privately”.

  31. lailaihei on June 25th, 2008 4:38 pm

    DePodesta is my least favorite and most likely of those four.

  32. SeasonTix on June 25th, 2008 4:45 pm

    I am the “concerned Season Ticket holder” in question.

    This information is based on a personal letter to me from Howard Lincoln in response to a personal letter that I wrote to him.

    It was NOT intended for publication!

    I shared it with Derek of USSM becuase I thought you guys might like to hear the news.

    I was the one who listed the 4 names above and I asked if they would seriously consider them for the opening.

    Lincoln said: “I can confirm that the four candidates mentioned in your letter are on the list of GM candidates that we are now assembling.”

    He also emphasized to me that they are NOT stuck on hiring another “proven vet” and they are truly open to anyone.

    You might ask why Lincoln would take the time to write a personal letter to me.

    Simple.

    I have been a season ticket holder since 2001, I’ve spent more than $20,000 on tickets and suffered through several bad seasons.

    The M’s take very good care of their season ticket holders — they need all they can get. And so I was not surprised to get a personal response from Lincoln rather than a “form letter.”

    You can disagree with their baseball decisions, but the M’s are a very professional customer-service oriented operation. I applaud them for that.

  33. Axtell on June 25th, 2008 4:51 pm

    Anybody who currently in jobs are obviously going to say they’re happy where they are. This doesn’t mean ‘no’, and gives their current employer knowledge they’re going to stick around at least until the end of the year.

    I’d be more worried if a candidate out and out said ‘no, I have zero interest in pursuing another job’ than someone saying they are content.

  34. FrankTheTank on June 25th, 2008 4:54 pm

    DePodesta is my least favorite and most likely of those four.

    Really? I’m not a huge DePo fan either, but I’d be surprised if he ended up as the GM. The stuff in LA is going to weigh against him heavily.

  35. NBarnes on June 25th, 2008 5:34 pm

    Yeah, I really have a hard time seeing DePo ending up with this job. Every his boosters admit that his big problem in LA was media and public relations, and we all know how image-conscious Armstrong and Lincoln are. Even if they really truly have decided that they want to get onto the SABR bandwagon, it seems to be that they are far more likely to go with someone who’ll be able to be a really smooth public figure. This seems especially important given the PR disaster that this year’s been for them. They way I see them seeing it, they can get DePo, or they can get Antonelli or Forst, who both have all the good points of DePo, but are likely to be better at handling the public relations side of the GM’s job.

  36. sankthetank on June 25th, 2008 5:57 pm

    Wow, that’s a great list! Out of all of them, I’d be really happy to see Antonetti as I trust USSM and he seems to have great GM virtues. Having said that, if we don’t get him, I would absolutely love to see DePo here. I believe DePo has one quality over all of the candidates: he already has a successful GM stint under his belt. I thought his talent acquisition was really well done in LA, and their budgets have been similar to the M’s in years past (i.e. can afford for a few big free agent signings every year). He sold high on Lo Duca and acquired Penny in the process (showing that he wasn’t afraid to make controversial decisions — the fans loved Lo Duca). He acquired Kent and Lowe in good deals, and the Drew deal was unfairly villified. If we can assume that he learned from his mistakes (and successes) and is an even better candidate than he was 4 years ago, I think he would be a tremendous signing.

  37. John in L.A. on June 25th, 2008 6:02 pm

    DePo’s “media” problem in L.A. would be more accurately described as “sabotage by morons.” Make the team a winner and those problems diminish. ANd it’s not like the team is going to get worse.

    Besides, the Mariners seemingly have most of the media in town saying whatever they want them to say. Tell them to like DePo. Does he have a wife that can make a cookbook?

  38. msb on June 25th, 2008 6:03 pm

    Ryan Divish quotes from a Gammons insider that talks about GM cadidates; its about halfway down the linkage post.

  39. DMZ on June 25th, 2008 6:04 pm

    That’s not entirely the case — dismissing the media angle for a second, DePodesta did have problems within the organization that were legitimate failings from what you’d want out of a GM.

  40. Ninja Jordan on June 25th, 2008 6:11 pm

    I want DePodesta.

  41. dingdangdo on June 25th, 2008 6:14 pm

    Does the staff of ussmariner have a favorite pick for the job, maybe not included in this list? I’m seeing some positives for a few names in some strings, maybe antonetti gets the most favorable mentions, but is there a consensus for an available candidate?

  42. RoninX on June 25th, 2008 6:17 pm

    Do you see that button up in the left hand corner at the top of every page? Or was that question asked tongue in cheek?

  43. edgar for mayor on June 25th, 2008 6:18 pm

    Awesome!

  44. J.L. White on June 25th, 2008 6:18 pm

    I can’t wait to read any analysis USSM may have about these candidates — especially Forst, whom I am not familiar with — while also acknowledging that plenty has been said about Antonetti already. A part of me is happy the M’s are looking at these (relatively) fresh faces, but the part of me with a memory is scared that we’ll end up with some re-tread along the lines of Ed Wade.

  45. gwangung on June 25th, 2008 6:21 pm

    I’m not elated that the Ms are considering this quartet. Considering them is cheap and is effortless on their part.

    I’ll be more impressed if the final candidates are sabremetric-oriented and even more impressed if the final hire can use sabremetrics.

  46. Red Apple on June 25th, 2008 6:24 pm

    Didn’t Derek or Dave mention that he believed Kim Ng wouldn’t be interested in a GM position anywhere, as she had some unpleasant experiences with one or more members of the “good ol’ boys club?” (my phrasing).

  47. gwangung on June 25th, 2008 6:33 pm

    Didn’t Derek or Dave mention that he believed Kim Ng wouldn’t be interested in a GM position anywhere, as she had some unpleasant experiences with one or more members of the “good ol’ boys club?” (my phrasing).

    I really doubt that.

    Any women in her position would know that the probabilities would be 100% that she’s have an “unpleasant experience” from the old boys network. She’s way too smart to be that naive.

    I find it more likely she’s slowed down to have a family (since, unlike male candidates, she’d be a lot more involved in child birthing).

  48. SABRcat on June 25th, 2008 6:36 pm

    I want Kim Ng! Lets do it!

  49. dingdangdo on June 25th, 2008 6:38 pm

    #41. Yep, totally missed that link. No tongue in cheek, foot in mouth. Answered my question. Thanks.

  50. DAMellen on June 25th, 2008 6:45 pm

    When did Lincoln say this?

  51. DAMellen on June 25th, 2008 6:59 pm

    So what’s the problem with DePodesta? I was looking at some of the stuff he did as a GM and it doesn’t look too bad. He signed JD Drew, Jeff Kent, and Derek Lowe who’ve all done pretty well. He dealt Paul Lo Duca and two mediocre players for Brad Penny and two mediocre players. Why are people so down on him?

  52. booji on June 25th, 2008 7:04 pm

    [ot, and it's Yamauchi]

  53. Mike Honcho on June 25th, 2008 7:47 pm

    LaCava

  54. Gerald on June 25th, 2008 8:25 pm

    This is a good first step. The more pressing matter is whether or not the new GM will be allowed a greater degree of autonomy than his predecessor. If we can get Howard and his cohorts to swear on a stack of Nintendo Powers that they’ll stop meddling in player personnel decisions, then we’ll know they’ve truly changed.

  55. JMHawkins on June 25th, 2008 10:45 pm

    big enough for Willie to ride.

    What if he’s a St. Louie Redbird, Philly, or Cub by then? Do we fly him back as a special Grand Marshall?

    dismissing the media angle for a second, DePodesta did have problems within the organization that were legitimate failings from what you’d want out of a GM.

    Geez, if we could’ve had DePodesta in charge of talent evaluation while Bavasi handled the people management part of the job… Hey, they platoon outfielders, why not GMs. Well, too late for that. I don’t know enough details of DePo’s organizational foulups, but sometimes that stuff is the result of a lack of a skill which can be learned by a smart guy like DePo. And sometimes it’s the result of a lack of something that can’t be learned so easy. Hmmm. Does anyone know if DePo has any people management responsibilities the Pods right now?

  56. beckya57 on June 25th, 2008 10:47 pm

    The feminist in me would love Kim Ng, but I’d be thrilled with Antonetti, of course, and I like DePodesta but do hope he’s learned from his problems in LA. Don’t know anything about Forst, but would like to. We won’t know if this represents a true change in direction until we see who else is on the list.

  57. PositivePaul on June 25th, 2008 11:03 pm

    So, they’re looking at them eh? Probably looking at them in the context of “Hey — we have a couple of stat guys already, do we really need more?”

    Or it could be they’re indeed looking at them. And laughing at us. “We’d hire one of these folks? HAHAHAHAHAHA Rrrrriiiight…”

  58. Omerta on June 25th, 2008 11:26 pm

    Yes please, on any of the four. Armstrong and Lincoln can go a long way in mending open wounds by hiring one of these fine canidates, all of whom seriously depart from Bavasi-isms in their technique.

  59. Teej on June 26th, 2008 1:16 am

    If anyone wants to get at least a cursory glance at David Forst, check out the Q&A he did with Jonah Keri, ESPN writer, “friend of USSM” and editor of the BP “Baseball Between the Numbers” book. It’s a good read.

  60. scottiedawg on June 26th, 2008 1:32 pm

    In a chat on Baseball Prospectus with Dayn Perry, when asked about the Mariner GM opening, offered Antonetti’s name as the one guy he liked the most and would most like to see get a shot. Let’s hope this engine gathers steam.

  61. VictorB on June 26th, 2008 1:46 pm

    I think I would trust Gammons and his contacts when he says in his most recent blog that Antonetti (and Forst) isn’t coming.

  62. msb on June 26th, 2008 1:54 pm

    I think I would trust Gammons and his contacts when he says in his most recent blog that Antonetti (and Forst) isn’t coming.

    I think most people feel that is the case, as they are so entrenched in their heir-apparent jobs. Doesn’t mean one can’t hope, or ask, though.

  63. gwangung on June 26th, 2008 2:16 pm

    One should ask. And you can be somewhat persistent at it…But they shouldn’t be the sole targets…

  64. Jeff Nye on June 26th, 2008 2:17 pm

    Why would you still trust Peter Gammons?

    He has good contacts, yes, but he says crazy things all the time.

  65. avideo on June 27th, 2008 4:55 pm

    Well IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE SOMEONE WITH SOME NEW VISION IN THE GM’s OFFICE. It can’t happen too soon in my opinion. As a half season ticket holder myself for the past three years, I have frankly lost my usually upbeat enthusiasm for the Mariners this season. As I never went to a Mariners game until 1992, I am unaware of how awful the team was prior to that date. But this year’s team has to qualify as one of the worst ever given their abysmal record.
    For whatever it’s worth, I just signed up for half season tickets for the Portland Trailblazers – and I’m not exactly a raving NBA basketball fan. But at least they have a serious shot at the playoffs this coming season.
    One can hope for the best after spring training in 2009!

  66. Jeff Nye on June 28th, 2008 4:59 pm

    Reposted from another thread on behalf of justinh:

    Speaking of trades, doesn’t look like Forst will be making the moves for us.

    According to Tracy Ringolsby of the Rocky Mountain News, the A’s assistant general manager David Forst has turned down all interview requests. The feeling is that Forst is expected to take over for Billy Beane as Oakland GM as early as next season.

    It has been reported previously that Beane would like to test his Moneyball strategies in soccer. A’s owner Lewis Wolff also owns the San Jose Earthquakes of MLS and Beane may decide to focus his attention on the soccer franchise in ’09. It is unclear whether Beane will remain involved with the baseball operations.

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