PI: Sexson’s gone

DMZ · July 10, 2008 at 10:45 am · Filed Under Mariners 

Wasn’t in the clubhouse, locker’s cleaned, says Hickey

I have a question: why Sexson? Open-stance Sexson as Megavidro is way better than Vidro, who is the worst DH in the league and finished. Is this another example of the crazy Vidro influence field?

Dave adds: Because this city hates Sexson, and they only are unhappy with Vidro, thanks to the length of time we’ve been watching the two flail away. This was the right move, even if the timing was beyond weird.

Comments

87 Responses to “PI: Sexson’s gone”

  1. KaminaAyato on July 10th, 2008 10:50 am

    Yeah, I heard from KJR and Softy the same, quoting from a press release. (I know they’re not the be all end all).

    So, who’s next?

  2. WardP on July 10th, 2008 10:50 am

    Times has it too..

    Free at last, free at last..

  3. gwangung on July 10th, 2008 10:50 am

    Took far too long to happen.

  4. payday0023 on July 10th, 2008 10:51 am

    AP-WA–APNewsAlert,0007
    7/10/2008 10:43:11

    SEATTLE (AP) — The Mariners release Richie Sexson.

    YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. Swungonandbelted on July 10th, 2008 10:52 am

    and just when he was turning into Mega-Turbo….

  6. Jeff Nye on July 10th, 2008 10:54 am
  7. pygmalion on July 10th, 2008 10:55 am

    I guess this means more playing time for Vidro, who, ironically, is a much worse hitter than Sexson.

    Vidro’s OPS: .577 (up a bit since yesterday!)
    Sexson’s OPS: .696

  8. DMZ on July 10th, 2008 10:55 am

    That’s not ironic.

  9. msb on July 10th, 2008 10:56 am

    gotta be the Liquid Magnet.

  10. Grizz on July 10th, 2008 10:59 am

    Tug Hulett and Jared Wells promoted (with Bedard to the DL) as well.

  11. KaminaAyato on July 10th, 2008 10:59 am

    Tug Hulitt’s been called up with Bedard on the DL.

    Does this mean something for Lopez/Betancourt now?

  12. BringUpBalentien on July 10th, 2008 10:59 am

    Sorry, I don’t have a source, but I heard that they DL’d Bedard and called up Tug Hulett from Tacoma. Wait, Jeff Nye’s linked page has a link to the Bedard story, which I’m sure everybody knows by now.

  13. pygmalion on July 10th, 2008 11:00 am

    One of the meanings of “ironic” covers when someone’s attempt to do something manages to achieve the opposite result.

  14. Jeff Nye on July 10th, 2008 11:00 am

    So I wonder what the plan will be for 1B going forward? I’m hoping it’s not Cairo.

  15. jzalman on July 10th, 2008 11:00 am

    I mean, this is really frustrating. Norton, Wilkerson, and Sexson all gone before Vidro? That’s unacceptable. That’s making the same mistake 3 times in half a season!!! I can’t be happy about this. Sexson’s not good, but it’s just insulting to those 3 guys to be cut before Vidro. Ugh.

  16. bj2 on July 10th, 2008 11:01 am

    Other transactions: Bedard placed on the DL. Jared Wells and Tug Hulett are coming up. I wonder if Tug will replace Yuni.

  17. DEO on July 10th, 2008 11:02 am

    Adding on to pygmalion’s comment: Richie’s OPS is 87 points higher than Willie, 122 points higher than Vidro, 128 higher than Cairo

    Those are the likely replacements at first base. Wheeee.

    This had to happen, but other moves have to happen too.

  18. Colin Wyers on July 10th, 2008 11:03 am

    [ot]

  19. gwangung on July 10th, 2008 11:03 am

    I mean, this is really frustrating. Norton, Wilkerson, and Sexson all gone before Vidro? That’s unacceptable. That’s making the same mistake 3 times in half a season!!!

    Are we expecting anything else from this organization?

    Here’s hoping the next GM is way smarter than this…

  20. pygmalion on July 10th, 2008 11:05 am

    One difference between Sexson and Vidro: The milk-fed fans don’t hate Vidro yet.

  21. skjes on July 10th, 2008 11:05 am

    If I had to guess why Sexson over Vidro: because Sexson is perceived as the bigger disappointment by the average fanbase. He’s been rained with boos every time he struck out for the last two years, particularly for all the hype he brought when the M’s signed him as a home-run slugger.

    Vidro’s not doing significantly less than the M’s expected of him. And I mean that as the biggest indictment of the M’s as possible.

  22. Sklyansky on July 10th, 2008 11:06 am

    This is a team that DFA’d Olerud and Boone, both when then were doing better than Vidro and Sexson at the time of their release, and they were popular. Yet not only do they keep Vidro around, they put him in the clean-up position!

    Its extremely difficult trying to find any sort of logic with the moves the Mariners make. There must be some valid reason, right? Right?!

  23. Jeff Nye on July 10th, 2008 11:08 am

    If I had to guess why Sexson over Vidro: because Sexson is perceived as the bigger disappointment by the average fanbase. He’s been rained with boos every time he struck out for the last two years, particularly for all the hype he brought when the M’s signed him as a home-run slugger.

    I think this is probably it. They make more points with the fanbase by getting rid of Sexson.

    I can’t imagine a Vidro DFA is that far off, but who knows.

  24. jzalman on July 10th, 2008 11:10 am

    I hope some AL team signs him for nothing and he turns it around (relatively). Hits 15 more HR and OPS of .800 or something.

  25. Mustard on July 10th, 2008 11:13 am

    I wonder how the fans at Safeco have not turned on Turbo yet? If he is worse than Sexson and they turned on Sexson..is that mainly a result of his huge contract vs results?

  26. Kazinski on July 10th, 2008 11:15 am

    Well,
    I suppose the reason Sexson went first is his numbers have been down from carreer averages for much longer than Vidro’s. Vidro has had a terrible half a season, Richie has been bad for a season and a half.

    But if team management lets Vidro get to his vesting AB’s, the way he is playing, then they should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. Literally. And the longer he plays the greater the chance he’ll break out of his slump, at least temporarily, and they’ll have less of an excuse to DFA him.

  27. Jeff Nye on July 10th, 2008 11:15 am

    Yeah, I think it’s mostly due to the size of Sexson’s contract, and the fact that this town has big expectations of power hitters that Sexson hasn’t lived up to.

  28. Mustard on July 10th, 2008 11:15 am

    jzalman, why would you hope for that?
    What would that accomplish for the Mariners?
    Are you that big of a Sexson fan?

  29. Mustard on July 10th, 2008 11:17 am

    Jeff, i hear ya, i am outside of Toronto and we have a couple of people (Wells, Rios, Burnett) not living up to contract vs performance.

    I am going to the Jays game on the 25th, and if Vidro is not a DFA by then..i will where the paper bag over my head that reads “DFA Turbo”

  30. Mustard on July 10th, 2008 11:18 am

    ummm, “wear”

  31. zeke5123 on July 10th, 2008 11:25 am

    I understand the frustration that Turbo hasn’t been DFA but today is a happy day. No more Big Sexy!

  32. Booyarr on July 10th, 2008 11:25 am

    3 Down, 1 to go.

    That article scared the crap out of me “Erik Bedard on the 50-day disabled list with a shoulder injury.” 50 days? But realized that was just a typo, should be 15 day DL.

    Now I can move on from Booing Sexson to booing Vidro

  33. bratman on July 10th, 2008 11:26 am

    So concludes the Richie Sexson / Seattle Mariners marriage.

  34. klosetfann on July 10th, 2008 11:27 am

    HAHA, he went from Big Fork too Big Pink Slip. Hopefully some of these other “dead” contracts get pink slipped soon.

  35. bakomariner on July 10th, 2008 11:28 am

    This is worse than it looks…I think Richie should be gone, but now that he is gone, and they have Hulett up (who is a SS or 2B), now we will see even more of Vidro and Cairo at 1B.

    I would rather have Sexson at 1B over those two.

  36. 1000N on July 10th, 2008 11:29 am

    This was one of several moves that had to happen. Let’s not get discouraged because the moves aren’t happening in the order we thought they should.

  37. msb on July 10th, 2008 11:29 am

    well, according to Silva he is “a super super nice guy” so perhaps he will find someplace with less fan pressure where he can find his power stroke again.

    Or not.

  38. killer_ewok18 on July 10th, 2008 11:30 am

    *Mghmahahamghah*

    Hear that? That’s Vidro laughing diabolically… while stuffing his face at the buffet table.

  39. NF on July 10th, 2008 11:32 am

    Ummm…..we had to release Richie first, he’s not as good at protecting Raul remember?….Sigh…..

  40. Jeff Nye on July 10th, 2008 11:34 am

    I don’t think there’s any real reason to gnash your teeth over the order these moves happen in.

  41. batura on July 10th, 2008 11:36 am

    I honestly wonder what the hell this team is thinking. Richie still had some value, especially against lefties, and Vidro has no value whatsoever against anyone but the buffet table.

    avg/obp/slg/ops:

    Richie vs LHP (61 ab): .344 .423 .623 1.046
    Vidro vs LHP (59 ab): .214 .237 .321 .558

  42. bakomariner on July 10th, 2008 11:37 am

    Lot of money to eat, and they should have DFAd him to TRY to get something for him (which was probably impossible), but he needed to go…but he shouldn’t have been the first…

    Here’s to Big Sexxxy and some nice FUNK BLASTS…he gave us some entertaining moments…too bad things didn’t work out…I hope he does well in the future…

  43. bratman on July 10th, 2008 11:37 am

    I don’t think there’s any real reason to gnash your teeth over the order these moves happen in.

    Agreed. As long as they all happen in due time. Enjoying this house cleaning. A bunch. I am so happy I don’t have to hear Mariners fans cheer for Sexson anymore. So happy.

  44. bratman on July 10th, 2008 11:38 am

    Here’s to Big Sexxxy and some nice FUNK BLASTS…he gave us some entertaining moments

    I’m pretty sure Little Nikki the movie gave me some entertaining moments too … I just dont remember them.

    Get him out of here. Done. Gone. Thank you Baseball Gods.

  45. Mustard on July 10th, 2008 11:40 am

    With all the proposed DFA’s or trades we would like to see, does this not mean we are that much closer to seeing Willie become an everyday player for the rest of the season? I bet he is secretly hoping for this to happen!

  46. Scando47 on July 10th, 2008 11:41 am

    For all the bad things we can say about Richie Sexson, he was one of the best targets for heckling in the history of the game.

    I’ll always remember him as the Tree Man, after a friend of mine screamed, “Go back to the forest Tree Man!” at him for a few magical innings.

    Perhaps the Tree Man will find his true calling, rescuing kittens from branches too high for people without arboreal bloodlines to reach…

  47. Jeff Nye on July 10th, 2008 11:47 am

    He’s no longer a good baseball player, but man was it fun to watch him occasionally hit a ball halfway to Japan.

    Good luck to you, Mr. Sexson.

  48. cdowley on July 10th, 2008 11:49 am

    Mildly surprised they didn’t bring up LaHair… but then I realized that this organization cares about the records of their minor league clubs, and that would have left Tacoma without a viable replacement for their biggest slugger, and thus, screwed.

  49. cdowley on July 10th, 2008 11:50 am

    Oh, and as much as the fans have hated you, Richie, I wish you good luck on your further ventures after today.

  50. The Iceman Cometh on July 10th, 2008 11:52 am

    Sexson, 2008, away from Safeco: .260/.363/.512

  51. mrmitra on July 10th, 2008 11:52 am

    I don’t think there’s any real reason to gnash your teeth over the order these moves happen in.

    as long as he’s gone before his option vests I don’t care about the order. Maybe the other teammates like him, who knows. I think there are other factors at work here that are keeping Vidro around a little longer than the others.

  52. Logger on July 10th, 2008 11:53 am

    Too bad we play half our games in Safeco.

  53. vj on July 10th, 2008 11:56 am

    The timing is weird considering they are playing on the road (no booing from the home crowd) and face a lefty today. I wonder if something was going on behind the scenes that we don’t know about.

  54. Elwood P. Dowd on July 10th, 2008 11:58 am

    Correct me if I’ve counted wrong. The roster right this minute is:
    DH-1
    C-3
    1B-0
    2B-1
    SS-1
    3B-1
    UT inf-3
    OF-3
    P-12

    I must’ve counted wrong.

  55. jephdood on July 10th, 2008 11:58 am

    Load that plate up FULL at the after-game buffet, Vidro.. you might not have a chance to go back for seconds.

  56. Jeff Nye on July 10th, 2008 11:59 am

    It’s not impossible that Sexson saw the writing on the wall and asked to be released, so he could look for a job elsewhere.

    Who knows, really.

    as long as he’s gone before his option vests I don’t care about the order.

    Everything I heard earlier in the season was that Vidro’s vesting number was in the neighborhood of 600 AB. He’s at 269 right now.

    I don’t think there’s a huge cause for concern in that regard. For him to vest, he’d basically have to be the full-time DH for the rest of the year, and I just don’t see that happening.

  57. Jay R. on July 10th, 2008 11:59 am

    Good luck, Richie. Please remember to send for Jose and Pepe when you get settled.

  58. The Iceman Cometh on July 10th, 2008 12:04 pm

    Pretty good for Richie. He gets an extended all-star break and will be eligible to sign with another team shortly thereafter.

  59. bakomariner on July 10th, 2008 12:10 pm

    57-

    Not to mention a fat pay-check…

  60. edgar for mayor on July 10th, 2008 12:19 pm

    Who is going to play 1B? Vidro? Johjima!?

    …or Cairo.

  61. edgar for mayor on July 10th, 2008 12:20 pm

    Who is going to play 1B? Vidro? Johjima!?

    …or Cairo.

    Or a move that makes sense…Ibanez

  62. bakomariner on July 10th, 2008 12:22 pm

    It will be Cairo, unless they make another call-up or a trade…I doubt they’d move Raul in the middle of the season…

    Although with this team, you never know…

  63. smb on July 10th, 2008 12:24 pm

    Jeff Nye,

    I had the exact same initial reaction. “Crap, looks like Cairo is out new first baseman.” Really took the shine off this roster move for me.

  64. edgar for mayor on July 10th, 2008 12:25 pm

    It will be Cairo, unless they make another call-up or a trade…I doubt they’d move Raul in the middle of the season…

    Although with this team, you never know…

    Great so I get to see another popless bat in the line-up covering a power spot. Thats 2 (DH,1B)

  65. MattThompson on July 10th, 2008 12:26 pm

    Everything I heard earlier in the season was that VidroÂ’s vesting number was in the neighborhood of 600 AB. HeÂ’s at 269 right now.

    OK, that’s a relief. My nightmare scenario involved the M’s trying to milk every AB they could from Vidro, and release him a few shy of the vesting number, only to discover they’d miscounted.

    That may be a hyperbolic level of incompetence to imagine, but this IS the M’s we’re talking about.

  66. joser on July 10th, 2008 12:36 pm

    I agree, I don’t care about the order as long as Vidro’s option doesn’t vest. I still would love to hear an explanation of the timing, however. Based on the other commentary we’ve heard from the FO this year, it is bound to hover somewhere between incomprehensible and hilarious.

    I still don’t understand why they fiddled with Sexson’s stance but they didn’t attempt platooning him against lefties with Clement or even Reed or whatever, or even try making him a road-only starter, or something. I realize “imagination” no more applies to this bunch than “competent” does, but when you essentially have nothing to lose….

    Well, one thing about this: I had a secret dread that Sexson was going to have a dead-cat bounce in the second half, put up slightly decent numbers, and agree to some cheap-but-stupid one-year deal with the M’s to “try to get his career back on track.” IOW, the Mariners might think they’d found their Jose Guillen / Frank Thomas gem-on-the-scrapheap project right in their own backyard. It was a small fear, particularly with Bavasi gone, but it worried me all the same.

  67. Paul L on July 10th, 2008 12:38 pm

    Another reason might be that they think they can still get something for Vidro in the next two weeks. Not saying I agree of course, but I wouldn’t put it past the FO.

    Honestly, why not release both?

  68. joser on July 10th, 2008 12:40 pm

    “Crap, looks like Cairo is out new first baseman.” Really took the shine off this roster move for me.

    But Cairo is amazing on those bunt plays. That saves, like, two runs a season!

  69. monty1077 on July 10th, 2008 12:42 pm

    About Fu-king time?
    Maybe Bedard is next?

    And maybe just maybe the blood letting continues for the rest of this lost season.
    Then starting next year we start back to the road of respectability.

  70. argh on July 10th, 2008 12:44 pm

    I gotta say I didn’t hate Richie Sexson — but the long-term dull ache of disappointment gets pretty old, too.

    I’d like to think that maybe, just maybe, Richie was sat down by Riggleman for a stern session about the critical importance of “stepping up” and “make-up” and “leadership” and somewhere in that big head a light-bulb went on and he just said, “F**k this. I’m done. The fans know it, I know it, hell, my mother knows it. Everybody but you knows it. Me and my $14 mil are oughta here, ’cause the only thing worse than being a washed up baseball player is being a stupid washed up baseball player.”

    Of course, I lead a rich fantasy life.

  71. 6-4-3 on July 10th, 2008 1:12 pm

    Just think; in another few days we won’t have to hear anyone talk about “Richie Sexton” anymore!

  72. Mousse on July 10th, 2008 1:12 pm

    If “body language” is truly the “final straw” that led to Richie’s release, that’s just pathetic. It suggests that, despite the fact that this is a lost season, they would have kept a horribly unperforming player on the team so long as he had a good attitude. When are they going to get it?

  73. Go Felix on July 10th, 2008 1:29 pm

    Thank you and finally. Good luck Richie.

  74. mw3 on July 10th, 2008 1:32 pm

    Finally the FIFTY-FOUR MILLION DOLLAR SINKHOLE is gone. Praise the lord.

  75. Paul B on July 10th, 2008 1:45 pm

    He was done as a hitter last year. However, I do have some good memories:

    Richie Sexson leaves, tied with Ken Phelps for 9th in all time Mariner homers (105).

    Sexson is 6th all time in Mariner Slugging Percentage (behind Boone, and ahead of Tino, Raul, Alvin, and Beltre).

    Sexson is 10th in all time Mariner OPS, two points behind Ichiro.

    He is third in offensive win %. Fourth in at bats per home run.

  76. SequimRealEstate on July 10th, 2008 1:58 pm

    Thanks Paul B for putting his contribution in perspective. Greg

  77. matthew on July 10th, 2008 2:23 pm

    6-4-3: Until he goes to either Milwaukee or Arizona and helps them to win a World Championship by coming in as a left-handed bat off the bench.

    Dave/DMZ: How much longer until Vidro’s option for next year is vested?

  78. Evan on July 10th, 2008 3:42 pm

    This was the right move,

    I don’t see how releasing the better player can ever be the right move.

  79. terry on July 10th, 2008 3:59 pm

    To me the fact that Sexson was released isn’t really newsworthy….Riggelman’s official reason for why they did it on the other hand……

    My God, I watch them now for the same reason someone might poke a bloated carcass with a sharp stick…..morbid curiosity.

  80. Adam S on July 10th, 2008 5:24 pm

    I’m as frustrated with Sexson’s performance as the next guy, but aside from being cathartic, what does this accomplish?

    The $7M for the second half is a fixed cost. We aren’t opening up 1B to let a prospect (or even a pseduo prospect) like Clement or LaHair. We’re replacing Sexson with worse hitters in Vidro and Cairo. Small sample size caveats apply, but Sexson was pretty good against lefties and decent on the road, away from the physical and psychological problems with Safeco. Could we not keep Sexson as a platoon 1B/DH? Is it just “not cool” to take a veteran making $14M and make him a bench warmer?

  81. scott19 on July 10th, 2008 6:47 pm

    I gotta say I didn’t hate Richie Sexson — but the long-term dull ache of disappointment gets pretty old, too.

    While I have to say best of luck to Richie, I’ll also admit that watching him the past year-and-a-half was a bit like watching Jimmy Smits’ final six episodes on NYPD Blue — i.e. you knew what the hell was gonna happen to him as he slowly faded away, but you couldn’t stop watching anyway.

    I wonder how the fans at Safeco have not turned on Turbo yet?

    Because there’s still food available at the concession stands…he hasn’t gotten around to them yet.

  82. smb on July 10th, 2008 7:27 pm

    I definitely turned on Sexson for his sucktastic performance, but I never really said or heard personal attacks against him at least. I don’t care about his personality or his media relationship, nor do I care that he’s from Washington or about any other non-baseball appeal he might have had. I hope he appreciates that the booing here was a fraction of what it would have been if he had been playing for a different team in a different city, where old ladies would rather scream at you for your golden sombrero than knit and cheer politely for WFB.

    I don’t feel bad because he made a lot of money he didn’t altogether earn with his performance, which was excruciating to watch as a fan. The lion’s share of the blame goes to the people who probably could have moved him for something more than once before last season, but instead let him keep trotting out there looking worse and worse until he had no trade value left at all, which to me is reminiscent of what they did with Pineiro.

    And now, since this is at best makes us suck a little less and at worst makes us even a little crappier, I can focus my ire on Turbo’s sucktastic lack of value and Willie’s AAAA skill set. Hopefully the taking out of the garbage until we get down to some kind of useful, non-rotten frame to build on.

  83. skipj on July 10th, 2008 8:02 pm

    RE: Richie

    As someone who has employed up to 250 people, I learned a long time ago that employer decisions are hard for others to understand. Why this guy? Why now?

    Well, as Jeff Nye points out: why does that matter? We all agreed Richie needed to go. So did management. So, be happy.

    Some reasons for NOW:

    1. Lee took a phone call from a GM who said : ‘You know, we could use Richie, but only off waivers.’
    Act of class/kindness by the M’s. A favor to be remembered perhaps.

    2.Richie became torqued off enough to become a problem. This is hinted at. ‘Play me or trade me!’…’Well, neither of those is really an option, how about this!’.

    3.Hard-nosed performance based management. OK, quit laughing. Really. Maybe this is the start.

    skipj

  84. joser on July 10th, 2008 10:47 pm

    This makes for some unintentionally funny reading. You know, the way broken limbs can be funny.

    They lost slugger Jose Guillen to free agency, replacing him in right field with Brad Wilkerson. That seems like a drop off, but the team hopes to make up for that with an improved year from first baseman Richie Sexson, who can’t help but do better than he did in an awful ’07 (.205 batting average, .295 on-base percentage, .399 slugging percentage).

    Final line for Sexson (with the M’s), 2008:
    .218 / .315 / .381
    Well, yeah, technically two out of the three are better. And it’s not like they signed him to be a slugger or anything.

  85. scott19 on July 11th, 2008 12:29 am

    Well, yeah, technically two out of the three are better. And it’s not like they signed him to be a slugger or anything.

    And, as Meatloaf once said, “two out of three ain’t bad.” :)

  86. Jeff Nye on July 11th, 2008 12:07 pm

    From the P-I:

    “Having him sitting in the bullpen didn’t help his case any,” Riggleman said Thursday. “The question is, ‘Why did he go down there?’ It’s happened before with other guys, and usually it’s just a playful thing. But you have to wonder, didn’t he want to be on the bench with us?”

  87. don52656 on July 11th, 2008 10:35 pm

    I rooted for Richie til the end, and I hope that he catches on with another team and does well. I never thought his performance was due to a lack of effort.

    Regarding his attitude “problems”, I can’t help but wonder how the average player would feel when told that he would be platooning with a LH who is batting .215 with no power. So, he would get many less AB’s, and bat 6th or so in the lineup, while the .215 platoon-partner with no power gets to bat cleanup. If it were me, I’d probably say “what a crock”.

    What a crock….

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