Game 104, Mariners at Blue Jays

DMZ · July 27, 2008 at 9:07 am · Filed Under Mariners 

Washburn v Marcum… supposedly. As I write this.

There may have been no better time for Washburn’s little streak of good results — the team’s finally shopping people, and he’s been turning in good performances for long enough that his ill start to the season and just horrible May seem forgotten. If it helps the team move him, well, good work all around.

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128 Responses to “Game 104, Mariners at Blue Jays”

  1. AssumedName on July 27th, 2008 9:27 am

    But, but, where are we going to find another Southpaw flyball pitcher who throws in the mid to high 80s? They don’t grow on trees, you know…

  2. Joe C on July 27th, 2008 9:30 am

    I assume you meant to say a savvy veteran lefty who has experience pitching in the playoffs?

  3. msb on July 27th, 2008 9:30 am

    per Drayer, Wash claims Boras hasn’t talked to him about anything, yet.

  4. Paul B on July 27th, 2008 9:45 am

    C’mon Washburn, let’s get a quality start here. Don’t mess up. Keep that trade value high.

  5. msb on July 27th, 2008 9:53 am

    according to Rizzs, Chuck, Howard & Chris Larson hosted a brunch this morning for the extended Mariner family in Cooperstown — wonder if Lee is there, or here?

  6. HamNasty on July 27th, 2008 9:57 am

    In the totally fake rumor mill that I am making up right now we are getting Sexson back in the deal.

  7. Carson on July 27th, 2008 10:00 am

    Does it make any sense for Washburn to start? If he somehow gets hurt, or gets shelled, the Yankees go YOINK on their trade offer.

  8. CC03 on July 27th, 2008 10:08 am

    Olney said last night that his sources said a deal will be done in 48 hours. Whatever that’s worth.

  9. Carson on July 27th, 2008 10:13 am

    RF-L Ichiro
    DH-S Turbo
    LF-L Ibanez
    3B-R Beltre
    2B-R Lopez
    CF-L Reed
    C-R Johjima
    1B-L LaHair
    SS-R Yuni

  10. firova2 on July 27th, 2008 10:13 am

    So good to hear Ken Wilson on Mariner radio again. Best partner Niehaus ever had.

  11. DMZ on July 27th, 2008 10:18 am

    No question about it 10:14!

  12. arbeck on July 27th, 2008 10:19 am

    When I saw Washburn was the starter I stopped mid back flip and broke my neck…

  13. DMZ on July 27th, 2008 10:19 am

    Lot of talent no question about that! 10:16!

  14. wfan99 on July 27th, 2008 10:19 am

    Was my sign on TV yesterday? It was pink and hung right over the M’s bullpen.

    It read:
    Please fire:
    Armstrong
    Lincolon
    Bravsi-with a check mark
    Riggleman
    Vidro
    Batista
    Silva
    Sexson-with a check mark

    The best part was all of the M’s guys in the pen saw it.

  15. DMZ on July 27th, 2008 10:20 am

    I’m seriously going to do a live game blog this week where I catalog how many times Blowers does that tic… and fact check them. It’ll be awesome.

  16. zvazda on July 27th, 2008 10:27 am

    Are you guys watching/listening to the game, or are you watching the induction ceremony?

    Are the induction ceremonies normally good?

  17. firova2 on July 27th, 2008 10:29 am

    Seriously, go to radio and forget Blowers. Ken Wilson is way easier on the ears.

  18. Carson on July 27th, 2008 10:30 am

    Derek.. you’re kidding right?

    I was literally keeping a stats (time, inning, subject, etc) log of that for this game. Didn’t want to spam the thread too much, so was just going to post it post-game.

  19. Dugan on July 27th, 2008 10:30 am

    I’ve never heard Ken Wilson on the air before today. He’s very good – any chance he will be doing more games or getting a permanent assignment for the Mariners?

  20. DMZ on July 27th, 2008 10:31 am

    I was totally serious. But I haven’t done anything, so go on, write it up.

  21. Carson on July 27th, 2008 10:31 am

    Although, it will be much funnier to see you do a live game blog on it. No question about that.

  22. Carson on July 27th, 2008 10:36 am

    Derek – All joking aside. Let’s say Washburn throws a no hitter, or even a one hitter (HAHAHA good one, I know).

    Does that help leverage the Mariners’ desire to get a top prospect they desire even a little bit, or are the Yankees smart enough to know that would be the peak of this unsustainable streak of decent starts?

  23. firova2 on July 27th, 2008 10:37 am

    19. Well, Wilson had the number 2 job from 1977 to 1982 (there was life before Rick Rizzs) before moving on to other gigs- Angels, St. Louis Blues hockey (yes, at the time a higher profile gig). Maybe he’s a long-term replacement possibility for Niehaus, but that’s probably unlikely. Stone quotes him today saying that he knew from minute one that Niehaus would be here forever and that he (Wilson) would always be the number 2 guy.

  24. firova2 on July 27th, 2008 10:40 am

    Wilson: “It’s not often you see a count go to 0-2 on Betancourt. He’s a free swinger.”

    I guess he’s only got one game so he can say what he wants.

  25. JerBear on July 27th, 2008 10:42 am

    The induction ceremony is starting. I think Dave will be up first…

  26. zvazda on July 27th, 2008 10:45 am

    or are the Yankees smart enough to know that would be the peak of this unsustainable streak of decent starts?

    The Yankees picked up Richie Sexson.

  27. JerBear on July 27th, 2008 10:47 am

    Dave is getting a great response from the crowd every time he is mentioned so far…

  28. Carson on July 27th, 2008 10:50 am

    The Yankees picked up Richie Sexson.

    He was basically free, and is getting limited playing time. I wouldn’t say that is an indication of their intelligence. It’s the same price they’d pay for any other random bench player.

  29. PaulMolitorCocktail on July 27th, 2008 10:52 am

    Why don’t the Yankees solve their long-term pitching problems as well by signing Silva?

  30. CC03 on July 27th, 2008 10:58 am

    “The Yanks prefer Washburn but are in negotiations after the Mariners rejected an offer of Cabrera and Kei Igawa for the lefty veteran. Seattle might want Brett Gardner as well as for the Yankees to take on all of Washburn’s $14MM contract through next year.”

    Errr

  31. DMZ on July 27th, 2008 11:03 am

    I don’t think anything Washburn does today, besides getting injured, is going to significantly alter his trade value. Teams know what they’re getting with him, and it’s not like — OMG I HAVE A GREAT IDEA

  32. matthew on July 27th, 2008 11:07 am

    I totally forgot to turn on ESPN classic at 10:30. I hope they haven’t already inducted Dave.

  33. msb on July 27th, 2008 11:09 am

    Are the induction ceremonies normally good?

    they vary wildly– they run longish, as they do the introductions of all the guys who’ve shown up that year, and then IIRC the Spink winner goes first, then the Frick awardee. The speeches can range from succinct (Maz, who couldn’t get words out for tears and sat right back down) to unbearably long …

  34. JerBear on July 27th, 2008 11:09 am

    No, they’re still introducing all the HOFers that are there…

  35. msb on July 27th, 2008 11:15 am

    boy, this Mariner offense must seem awfully familiar to Ken Wilson.

  36. DMZ on July 27th, 2008 11:16 am

    The HOF induction thing is draggggging

  37. matthew on July 27th, 2008 11:16 am

    Awesome. THanks JerBear

  38. msb on July 27th, 2008 11:20 am

    The HOF induction thing is draggggging

    seems pretty much like normal– you can get a lot of housework and cooking done during an HOF induction ceremony.

  39. JerBear on July 27th, 2008 11:22 am

    Wow. That quartet is brutal.

  40. joser on July 27th, 2008 11:22 am

    per Drayer, Wash claims Boras hasn’t talked to him about anything, yet.

    I bet Washburn gets that a lot, from a lot of people in his life.

  41. msb on July 27th, 2008 11:23 am

    I’ve never heard Ken Wilson on the air before today. He’s very good – any chance he will be doing more games or getting a permanent assignment for the Mariners?

    I thought he was pretty well ensconsed in Hawaii, but Wilson mentioned moving back to the NW for the WCCBL.

    dang it. Sims is now on the radio side, and Wash just laid a tee-ball pitch in there for McDonald

  42. snapper on July 27th, 2008 11:23 am

    “The Yanks prefer Washburn but are in negotiations after the Mariners rejected an offer of Cabrera and Kei Igawa for the lefty veteran. Seattle might want Brett Gardner as well as for the Yankees to take on all of Washburn’s $14MM contract through next year.”

    Where did you get that quote?

    That’s astonishing if true.

  43. joser on July 27th, 2008 11:24 am

    The Prime Minister of Defense has some O. Well, against Washburn, anyway.

  44. Carson on July 27th, 2008 11:25 am

    The Blue Jays equivalent to WFB power jacks one. Awesome.

  45. jefffrane on July 27th, 2008 11:26 am

    Ken Wilson sounds like a baseball guy from the 60s. His voice is like something out of the past. I like it.

    Not so great that he got to call a home run for the Jays.

  46. joser on July 27th, 2008 11:28 am

    So I’ve never heard of the WCCBL — are they trying to be a northwest Cape Cod league, or what?

    (Wenatchee? Moses Lake? Kitsap?)

  47. Lauren, token chick on July 27th, 2008 11:30 am

    Huh. I wonder whether there’s any question about it–Ichiro’s remarkableness.

    Oh, I guess not.

  48. msb on July 27th, 2008 11:30 am

    embarrasing that they are just now getting Buck into the HOF. And so glad to see that the lady handling the ribbon-cutting was dressed in red … because, as you know, you never pass up an opportunity to talk to a woman in a red dress.

  49. jefffrane on July 27th, 2008 11:31 am

    Getting the first man on base is useful . . . except if the second man is Turbo.

  50. msb on July 27th, 2008 11:32 am

    damn. Vidro wants to be traded, too!

  51. joser on July 27th, 2008 11:32 am

    Vidro helping his “throw in” prospects.

  52. enazario on July 27th, 2008 11:32 am

    Turbo!

  53. jefffrane on July 27th, 2008 11:32 am

    What?! Did I do that?

  54. Carson on July 27th, 2008 11:32 am

    Holy crap. Is Rogers Centre floating about 10 miles in the sky today?

  55. abender20 on July 27th, 2008 11:33 am

    Vidro – Type A Free Agent.

  56. David* on July 27th, 2008 11:33 am

    Vidro-funk!

  57. rrose on July 27th, 2008 11:36 am

    Guess that will do nothing to diminish Riggleman’s expectation of quality at-bats from the Turbonator going forward.

  58. arbeck on July 27th, 2008 11:36 am

    Lopez walks twice, Vidro homers, did I wake up in bizzaro world?

  59. abender20 on July 27th, 2008 11:36 am

    two walks in an inning? one by Lopez? AND Vidro homers?

    Riggleman hired a hypnotherapist last night

  60. msb on July 27th, 2008 11:37 am

    “The Yanks prefer Washburn but are in negotiations after the Mariners rejected an offer of Cabrera and Kei Igawa for the lefty veteran.

    Where did you get that quote?

    looks like it is from somebody named Nat Boyle at MLBTraderumors.com

  61. CC03 on July 27th, 2008 11:38 am

    Niehaus up next, Niehaus up next.

  62. matthew on July 27th, 2008 11:38 am

    Turn on ESPN Classic to watch Dave’s induction after the commercial break…

  63. JerBear on July 27th, 2008 11:38 am

    Dave is up!!!!

  64. matthew on July 27th, 2008 11:38 am

    Where’s the Kleenex?

  65. msb on July 27th, 2008 11:40 am

    Tom Seaver (of all people) is introducing Dave now

  66. galaxieboi on July 27th, 2008 11:40 am

    looks like it is from somebody named Nat Boyle at MLBTraderumors.com

    Uh oh. Someone just killed a kitten.

  67. JerBear on July 27th, 2008 11:40 am

    This intro for him is horrible…

  68. abender20 on July 27th, 2008 11:41 am

    It’s official… Johjima 2 rbi double. This is the Bizarro M’s

  69. joser on July 27th, 2008 11:43 am

    did I wake up in bizzaro world?

    No, in Bizarro world Bloomquist is a legitimate extra-base threat, Johjima has the highest average on the team, and Betancourt is the Cuban God of Walks.

    somebody named Nat Boyle at MLBTraderumors.com

    A site widely considered to be not worth the electrons it is transmitted on.

  70. PaulMolitorCocktail on July 27th, 2008 11:43 am

    Dave is on the induction ceremony.

  71. MattThompson on July 27th, 2008 11:45 am

    Oh, he very nearly lost it there, thanking his wife.

  72. PaulMolitorCocktail on July 27th, 2008 11:47 am

    Engineer/PRODUCER Kevin Cremin.

  73. JerBear on July 27th, 2008 11:48 am

    Seems to be a pretty sizable contingent of M’s fans there…that’s good to see.

  74. astroboy on July 27th, 2008 11:50 am

    If you don’t have ESPN Classic and want to watch Dave, the HoF site is live streaming the ceremony

    EDIT: it’s over now, very good speech :)

  75. enazario on July 27th, 2008 11:51 am

    I nearly lost it listening to him. No sport is better than baseball!

  76. JerBear on July 27th, 2008 11:52 am

    Well done, Dave. Congratulations.

  77. msb on July 27th, 2008 11:53 am

    a very nice speech.

    I see the tv broadcast hasn’t improved from previous years — there were a whole lot of M’s fans (not to mention all the brass and broadcasters) there that could have been shown

  78. msb on July 27th, 2008 11:55 am

    somebody named Nat Boyle at MLBTraderumors.com

    A site widely considered to be not worth the electrons it is transmitted on.

    I had considered adding that to my response to the question ….

  79. msb on July 27th, 2008 11:57 am

    maybe Dave should get inducted more often– it seems to have a good effect on the offense

  80. BigJared on July 27th, 2008 12:00 pm

    Wow Vidro! Wow. You went all the way from 1st to 3rd on a double. Rich Garces scores on that ball.

    Then again that is why you’re Turbo and he’s only El Guapo.

  81. jefffrane on July 27th, 2008 12:01 pm

    Rauuuul? Bizarro world, indeed.

  82. matthew on July 27th, 2008 12:01 pm

    What a great impersonation of Harry Caray by Johnny Bench. Even had Dave laughing out loud :)

  83. David* on July 27th, 2008 12:02 pm

    Jesus pull Washburn before he steps in a hole and has to be put down.

  84. joser on July 27th, 2008 12:02 pm

    So Sims called that catch by Ibanez the Reem Heating 5 Star Play of the Game — right after faking the entire call because KIRO (as usual) came back from the commercials too late to do it live.

  85. B_Con on July 27th, 2008 12:03 pm

    Boy, this clubhouse has really come together to give Jarrod such great support and such a warm send off on what could be his last day.

    Or… they really really hate him and want him gone as soon as possible.

  86. msb on July 27th, 2008 12:05 pm

    say, I hear the Mariners are staying patient with Bedard

  87. msb on July 27th, 2008 12:06 pm

    KIRO (as usual)

    KOMO. It’ll be late back from commercials on KIRO next season.

  88. walkie83 on July 27th, 2008 12:13 pm

    Washburn is having an amazing game. Especially considering the amount of pressure he is under with this whole trade looming. At the start of the year, and even 2 months ago, I didn’t think we would be able to get any value for him .. or even just have the ability to move him! Now, the fact that we may actually be able to get a decent prospect AND dump his salary.. Thank you Washburn!

    The last 2 months he has been one of the very BEST in the league. I don’t care what the guys on this site say… he has been BETTER than Felix in the last couple months. The M’s are very fortunate, and I hope they figure something out .. cause Washburn is sure doing his part!

  89. Lauren, token chick on July 27th, 2008 12:21 pm

    Nice work, walkie83… hope the Yanks were reading!

  90. PaulMolitorCocktail on July 27th, 2008 12:22 pm

    Washburn has turned it around 180 degrees. The Yankees better grab him fast, before another team does. With this level of production, he’s a bargain for next year too.

  91. walkie83 on July 27th, 2008 12:22 pm

    :) Thanks Lauren. I’m hoping for a marketing job.

  92. ManageWA on July 27th, 2008 12:29 pm

    Did I hear something from TV side about hasselback limping off the field over in Kirkland? Say it ain’t Sosa!

  93. David* on July 27th, 2008 12:35 pm

    Jose Vidro will eat you.

  94. Swungonandbelted on July 27th, 2008 12:36 pm

    92:

    Yeah, I heard the same thing, time to get the heart rebooted…..

  95. Karen on July 27th, 2008 12:36 pm

    RE: #86 What choice do the Mariners have?

    About as much choice as the Red Sox have with that character who roams their LF…Manny is carrying Manny-being-Manny to extremes, playing against the Yanks when he feels like it, and managing to help sink his own team in the weekend series. If I were a Red Sox fan I’d be steaming.

    Bedard is a recalcitrant selfish pampered hypochondriac who’s overly sensitive towards the media, ANY media, even the Seattle media who are to date totally innocent of “insulting” him. His overly sensitive attitude towards the media stems from ONE unwary question years ago from a B’more writer.

    I’m of course basing my opinion on 4 months of comments by our TV broadcasters, our media and other bloggers, and what I’ve seen of his on-field efforts — put it in Wikipedia — since no one in the Seattle media has strung even 3 of those Bedard-descriptive adjectives together.

  96. msb on July 27th, 2008 12:46 pm

    Did I hear something from TV side about hasselback limping off the field

    I read that as Hasselhoff.

  97. edgar for mayor on July 27th, 2008 1:01 pm

    Well Mr. DMZ, Washburn and Vidro both had good days. I hope to have good news by tonight!

  98. AK C-hawker on July 27th, 2008 1:07 pm

    After an awesome outing by Wash, Vidro & Lopez, and having J.J. look solid, one has to wonder “what if?” and where have these guys been.

    See ya later Jarrod and Jose and Raul. Hope whoever picks you up has a winning season this year.

  99. Zeem on July 27th, 2008 1:18 pm

    Blowers brings back memories of Wes Stock, who, of course, only lasted a couple years because he blew out his cliches, of course.

  100. Swungonandbelted on July 27th, 2008 1:18 pm

    Meh. FWIW, ESPN has the Yankees not budging from their offer of a “marginal” prospect for taking on Washburn. If he’s fixed his mechanics, and it looks like he has, it might be more valuable to keep him instead of just giving him away. There are more important players for the m’s to jettison.

  101. Jeff Sullivan on July 27th, 2008 1:24 pm

    Wrong.

  102. galaxieboi on July 27th, 2008 1:32 pm

    Washburn hasn’t ‘fixed’ anything. Remember that ‘blind squirrel finding nuts’ business? Yeah. Jarrod has pitched above and beyond is true talent/skill level the last few starts. He is not NOT going to be the second coming of Jaime Moyer.

    If the M’s can simply unload his salary, good for them. Don’t push it.

    That said, it was a nice win. Apparently the possible trade chits are recognizing they’ve got a good chance to get out of Seattle and are performing for their potential suitors. Huzzah.

  103. Jeff Nye on July 27th, 2008 1:34 pm

    Shhhh, he absolutely has fixed his mechanics!

    < .< >.>

  104. RallyFried on July 27th, 2008 1:40 pm

    Found this on Yahoo’s MLB Rumor page about our trade bait:

    Bedard, who has been sidelined since July 4 because of tightness in his pitching shoulder, “is a guy who just didn’t fit here,” according to the Mariners official. “He needs to go somewhere where there’s another strong personality who can kick his butt.”

    Who is this Mariners official??? Why can’t/couldn’t he kick Bedard’s ass? And if he can’t, then isn’t there anyone else that can? It drives me crazy how poorly this organization is run.

  105. DMZ on July 27th, 2008 1:40 pm

    Oh yeah! That too. I should go add that to my splitter post.

  106. SequimRealEstate on July 27th, 2008 2:02 pm

    Nationals .365. 38-66

    Mariners .375 39-75

    Padres. .387 41-65

  107. aaron c. on July 27th, 2008 2:05 pm

    Why can’t/couldn’t he kick Bedard’s ass? And if he can’t, then isn’t there anyone else that can?

    Why does this belief that Bedard “needs to have his ass kicked and pitch through it” persist? It’s insanity.

  108. msb on July 27th, 2008 2:12 pm

    FWIW, Olney weighs in this afternoon with: “The Yankees are willing to take on the bulk of the approximately $14 million still owed to Washburn for the rest of this year and next year, but they have no intention of including anything more than a marginal prospect in the deal. “

  109. galaxieboi on July 27th, 2008 2:13 pm

    Mariners .375 39-75

    Now that’s just wishful thinking.

    Why does this belief that Bedard “needs to have his ass kicked and pitch through it” persist? It’s insanity.

    Because MLB ballplayers are manly men, of course!
    Anyone making that kind of money should forgo any concern for their post-baseball career or even the rest of their PRESENT career. The only game that matters in THIS one!!one Well, and being nice to folks in the media. They are the king-makers after all.

  110. RallyFried on July 27th, 2008 2:15 pm

    Why does this belief that Bedard “needs to have his ass kicked and pitch through it” persist? It’s insanity.

    I wasn’t and don’t think the quoted M’s official was refering to his injury and pitching through it. It was a statement about his overall performance and attitude here in Seattle when he was healthy.

  111. Jeff Sullivan on July 27th, 2008 2:18 pm

    The guy who thinks Bedard needed a good ass-kicking needs a good ass-kicking.

  112. aaron c. on July 27th, 2008 2:19 pm

    I wasn’t and don’t think the quoted M’s official was refering to his injury and pitching through it. It was a statement about his overall performance and attitude here in Seattle when he was healthy.

    His performance has been below expectations (though still very good) because he’s been hurt. His attitude is no different here than it was in Baltimore. The media and some fans bash Bedard because he’s a symbol of everything that was wrong-headed about the M’s approach to 02008, and it’s not his fault.

  113. RallyFried on July 27th, 2008 2:21 pm

    The guy who thinks Bedard needed a good ass-kicking needs a good ass-kicking.

    The whole team needs a good ass kicking.

  114. 300ZXNA on July 27th, 2008 2:21 pm

    Frick. Reading quotes like that about Bedard just make me furious. Not because of anything Bedard has or hasn’t done, but rather because of how this FO harped on character and chemistry for so long instead of talent . . . and then they didn’t even deliver character or chemistry on this team. Now we’re probably going to sell him for ten cents on the dollar just because he isn’t a freaking teddy bear.

    Its so sad that last year, seemed so much fun at the time, but was truly the worst thing that could have possibly happened. As bad as Bavasi’s first 4 offseasons were overall, he pulled out all the stops this time. Silva, Johjima, and the Bedard trades seem worse than all of his previous moves put together.

    I’m happy that we at least are getting out from under Washburn, but that will be tempered by a pretty bitter pill if Baltimore gets a haul for Sherrill. The AJ trade is starting to look like the baseball equivalent of the Hershel Walker trade, with us, of course, on the wrong end of it. The O’s are nearly going to rebuild off of that one trade.

  115. 300ZXNA on July 27th, 2008 2:24 pm

    112-
    Thats another thing that I don’t understand, is if Bedard’s personality “problems” were well known prior to this year, why did Chowie, Bavasi, et al decide to not only bring him in, but give up the farm for him . . .

  116. RallyFried on July 27th, 2008 2:44 pm

    The media and some fans bash Bedard because he’s a symbol of everything that was wrong-headed about the M’s approach to 02008, and it’s not his fault.

    Agree with the first part of that statement. Disagree with the second. You can’t completely let Bedard off the hook for underachieving and being an A-hole. The quote by the “Mariner’s official” sums up exactly what is wrong with the organization as a whole. The official said that Bedard has to be shipped off because essentially the M’s aren’t capable of managing him. That’s really sad. But poor management doesn’t entirely excuse Bedard. He is another defective cog in a broken machine.

  117. Jeff Nye on July 27th, 2008 2:48 pm

    You do realize the same people who are pushing the “Bedard is a jerk” agenda so hard are the ones whose job is made more difficult because he doesn’t care about pleasing the media, right?

    I’d be very cautious about forming a definitive opinion of someone’s character based on what the media says about them.

  118. Jeff Sullivan on July 27th, 2008 2:50 pm

    Bedard is defective because he is hurt. If you want to be mad at him for that, then by all means go right ahead, but that seems pretty silly to me.

  119. aaron c. on July 27th, 2008 2:57 pm

    The quote by the “Mariner’s official” sums up exactly what is wrong with the organization as a whole. The official said that Bedard has to be shipped off because essentially the M’s aren’t capable of managing him. That’s really sad.

    I completely agree that this statement is further proof that there are some huge problems in the organization. I just disagree that Bedard is part of this problem. The M’s got exactly what they paid for, they just thought they were paying for something different. Not his fault.

  120. RallyFried on July 27th, 2008 3:24 pm

    You guys are probably right. I just had a lot of hope riding on Bedard and this season’s Mariners. I’ll admit I not only drank the Kool Aid prior to this season, I chugged it. I was drunk off of it. I was ready to root on a contender. When high hopes are dashed by such utter failure it manifests itself in this frustration and contempt. I guess I’ll call it Bavasitis. Whatever it is, it hurts. And it doesn’t seem to be getting much better.

  121. joser on July 27th, 2008 4:31 pm

    I see no evidence that Bedard is an “A-hole.” What I do see is a local media that hates him because he doesn’t spew a series of cliches that they can just write down and mail in between cocktails. That he forces them to get up off their lazy asses and actually do more than ten minutes of actual work per day is a reason to like him, not hate him, in my opinion. Of course it’s no great achievement since the scribes just mindlessly parrot the cliches from the next guy and go back to their drunken stupor, but Bedard is doing what he can. Sure, once you reach the big leagues there’s the presumption that PR is an additional component to the job that comes with the territory, but I’m not going to jump to conclusions about the character of a guy I’ve never met just because he isn’t good at it or doesn’t want to play along. I certainly am not going to take seriously the judgments made by others who obviously have a reason to cast him in the worst possible light.

    As for drinking the kool-aid… you need to read USSM more. :)

    The M’s almost certainly understand that given their runs allowed and runs scored numbers last year, their W-L record should have been worse than it was. But I’d bet, as some of our commenters have pointed out, that they’ve got a whole set of reasons why the win total is for real: the disaster starts, injuries, Rick White, veteran grit and clubhouse leadership. There’s a natural tendency to justify favorable luck as the product of things they did, while dismissing bad results as circumstance.

    I don’t know what they think supports their belief that they can run with the Angels this year.

    (Feb 7)

    Your 2008 simulated Mariners:
    Average record: 77-85
    Best season: 93-69
    Worst season: 59-103
    Number of times they won the division (out of 100 simulated seasons): 6
    Number of times they won the wild card (out of 100) simulated seasons): 0

    (Feb 9)

    USSM: your anti-kool-aid

  122. Karen on July 27th, 2008 6:11 pm

    Gee, if we’re lucky Bedard will break 100 this season — 100 innings pitched. He may even start 20 games by the time the season’s over.

    Load that sucker up with NSAIDs and let’s see what he can do in August to top those numbers.

    ————–

    joser, you see NO evidence that Bedard may be an A-hole? How about treating the Seattle media like lepers from the get-go, as if they had Baltimore credentials and moved from the Orioles press box when he was traded?

    The Seattle media had done NOTHING to damage his delicate psyche or give him any reason to diss them …. well, other than have that little hip problem in Spring Training that was found out by somebody to have been a problem from years ago (i.e., making him seem like “damaged goods” or at least someone who was hiding a possibly congenital problem from EVERYBODY).

    Someone asked a question about that, I imagine, and he promptly got a real bad attitude about it. Writers shouldn’t have to walk on eggshells around these guys.

  123. Jeff Nye on July 27th, 2008 6:28 pm

    So Bedard doesn’t like the media. Who cares?

  124. aaron c. on July 27th, 2008 6:31 pm

    Karen-

    Bedard is terse with the press, but that’s different than being an a-hole. The press makes him out to be an a-hole because he doesn’t buddy around with them and give them long, congenial interviews. It’s not his personality, and being a media darling is not in his job description. And really, I find him to be hilarious.

    As far as his durability; it’s not his fault. He can’t do anything to change the fact that he’s injury prone; some people just are. If a player is susceptible to injury, the smartest thing they can do is learn their limits and never try to exceed them (unless we’re talking playoffs, do-or-die games, etc.) Bedard does the correct thing and he catches hell for it.

    Every time someone criticizes Bedard for not “pitching through it” and someone agrees them, it puts us (and quite possibly managers, players and front offices) further and further away from recognizing that it’s pretty much the worst thing you can do.

  125. Karen on July 27th, 2008 8:10 pm

    I had to look up “terse” in the dictionary to be sure of what you meant, aaron c. You’re partly right about that: (Ex: “short, brusque Ex: ‘dismissed me with a terse “no’ “) — at least, from what I’ve heard and read of his encounters with the Seattle media up to a couple of days ago.

    Didn’t you hear about Softy’s buddy who tried to talk to Bedard the other day, off the record, just to get an update on his progress from “the horse’s mouth”? The guy barely opened his mouth when Bedard started ranting at him — a little more longwinded than terse — saying he wasn’t having any problems except from “you guys” — the guy had never even spoken to Bedard before, and it was off the record…until the rant, anyway. The guy came back rather crestfallen and told Softy about it, and Softy went ballistic on the air.

    I guess that REALLY tears it, as far as Bedard is concerned.

  126. msb on July 27th, 2008 9:31 pm

    Didn’t you hear about Softy’s buddy who tried to talk to Bedard the other day, off the record, just to get an update on his progress from “the horse’s mouth”? The guy barely opened his mouth when Bedard started ranting at him — a little more longwinded than terse — saying he wasn’t having any problems except from “you guys” — the guy had never even spoken to Bedard before, and it was off the record…until the rant, anyway. The guy came back rather crestfallen and told Softy about it, and Softy went ballistic on the air.

    well, actually, no. One reason some of us feel the media has gone a bit overboard on Bedard.

    Puckett is KJR’s Mariners reporter; he is over there every day when they are in town. He’s spoken with Bedard before.

    Puckett had his own (off-hand) account of the event online just after it happened, and later on air admitted he asked Bedard about 3 or 4 times how he was, trying different ways to get something out of him, before Bedard answered back, not ranting, just pissy. this is what he posted at the time, at the end of a longer daily report:

    “Speaking of Bedard….I thought it would be a good idea to go up and chat with him today about how he’s doing health wise and whether or not he’s concerned with his name being mentioned in trade rumors. Bedard was very short in his responses to my questions about how he’s feeling, he continued to reply that, “I’m day-to-day.”

    However, when I asked him about how frustrating this season as been, Bedard echoed frustration about his play and how the media. “Very frustrating season. But, it’s especially frustrating dealing with you guys. You guys are the worst.” Then Bedard walked off to the dining room. Oh joy!”

  127. aaron c. on July 27th, 2008 9:38 pm

    Didn’t you hear about Softy’s buddy who tried to talk to Bedard the other day, off the record, just to get an update on his progress from “the horse’s mouth”? The guy barely opened his mouth when Bedard started ranting at him — a little more longwinded than terse — saying he wasn’t having any problems except from “you guys” — the guy had never even spoken to Bedard before, and it was off the record…until the rant, anyway. The guy came back rather crestfallen and told Softy about it, and Softy went ballistic on the air.

    At the risk of sounding insensitive, I couldn’t really care any less whether or not Softy’s pal had his feelings hurt by Erik Bedard. His job is to play baseball. The media doesn’t like him because they think he’s a jerk, and so they’re exceptionally hard on him. This whole line of thinking about Bedard being a wimp for not pitching through injuries is directly related to how the media portrays him. If you want to think he’s a jerk, that’s fine, but how you feel about him personally should not at all relate to how you feel about him as a baseball player.

  128. galaxieboi on July 27th, 2008 9:44 pm

    I don’t get it. So what, even if Bedard is an asshole, who really cares? Brett Meyers is still pitching in Philadelphia after knocking his wife around a couple seasons ago right before a game. He certainly isn’t the first player to bristle at the approach of a sports “journalist”.

    Erik Bedard is a pitcher of excellent caliber, when he’s healthy. But, we knew he had health issues didn’t we? We knew he wasn’t friendly with the media, didn’t we? Nothing that’s happened to him or how he’s ‘behaved’ this season should suprise anyone with half a brain. If the team is shocked SHOCKED that Bedard is terse and injury-prone, well…**** them. I knew it. Dave knew it. Derek knew it. Joser knew it. MSB knew it. We ALL knew it. To rail on him now is lazy journalism and fan ignorance. Bedard is a solution to the M’s problems, not a cause.

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