Jarrod Washburn’s success is sustainable and he should command a high price

DMZ · July 27, 2008 at 1:37 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

It’s the splitter! What better way to increase a pitcher’s value than spread the word that they’ve learned a new pitch? What’s more –there’s a kernel of truth in it. From this July 2nd story:

Washburn is throwing a split-fingered fastball again. He does it about 6 to 8 times per game, when he really needs it. Tonight, he used it to strike out Rod Barajas on a 2-2 pitch with the bases loaded and two out in the fifth inning.Called it the best splitter he’s ever thrown. Came in at about 86 mph.

All we need to do is clean that up a little. Sayyyyy:

JJ had a lot of spare time while he was injured, and you know how Jarrod’s constantly looking to improve his game. Well, when Washburn was being shelled in May, he decided to take the splitter seriously and that’s why we’ve seen him get such great results even when batters are still making contact. He’s mixing it in well with his other breaking stuff and because he’s less familiar with it, he’s only using it when he’s ahead in the count. And that works well, because when it drops down out of the zone hitters may still swing and miss trying to protect.

Whoever picks him up gets this new, splitter-throwing Washburn, who is really an entirely different pitcher than the one we saw earlier in the season.

There’s our story. Doesn’t that sound like a pitcher contending teams should trade for? Striving for improvement, learning from teammates, using his tools effectively… that’s worth a blue chip prospect or two.

Here’s the great part about this: there’s no easy refutation of this. You’d have to back through a ton of film to try and distinguish the break on different pitches to make any kind of conclusions about how often he’s throwing it if he’s throwing it at all and how effective it’s been. and really, who’s going to put that kind of effort into this? Heck, it worked for Silva — how much of that $48m came from people biting on the “he’s learned a splitter” story? And then later on, everyone can point to the other reports as the source.

So go forth everyone — spread the news anywhere you can about Jarrod’s success being due to the splitter he learned from Putz. Post on forums, send emails to NY writers. Call into KJR. Do what you have to do. We’ve seen this tactic work before, and it’s up to us to replicate its success.

Comments

108 Responses to “Jarrod Washburn’s success is sustainable and he should command a high price”

  1. galaxieboi on July 27th, 2008 1:49 pm

    I’m curious about this splitter business. Did Eddie learn it from Bruce Sutter or something? It turned JJ into a hell of a relief pitcher and has apparently turned the Bus into the second coming of the Big Train.

    Anyone got that Neyer/James book handy?

  2. Jeff Nye on July 27th, 2008 1:50 pm

    Don’t forget, Jarrod Washburn is a proven playoff veteran!

  3. galaxieboi on July 27th, 2008 1:52 pm

    Nevermind that, he’s a World Series Champion! And how many Yankees can say that at this point, hm?

  4. pygmalion on July 27th, 2008 1:54 pm

    Nevermind that, he’s a World Series Champion! And how many Yankees can say that at this point, hm?

    Yeah – and that’s just what the Yankees want, right? Guys who succeed in the World Series. That’s what it means to be a True Yankee. Unlike that albatross Alex Rodriguez, Washburn is already set for Yankee stardom.

  5. Dash on July 27th, 2008 1:57 pm

    Buster freakin’ Olney (sp, Onley, I always screw that up) is reporting that Yanks aren’t budging on including more than a marginal prospect if they’re eating all of the Washburnator’s (props to Deanna) contract.

    Personally I think that’s a mistake. Did you see what he did to the Jays today? The man owns the AL East. Lee take Igawa if it means getting Gardner. Do it.

  6. galaxieboi on July 27th, 2008 1:57 pm

    Pygmalion nailed it.

    Jarrod Washburn: World Series Champion, Angry Beaver and a True Yankee.

  7. Karen on July 27th, 2008 1:59 pm

    I just read Larry LaRue’s “Mariner Insider” blog entry from yesterday.

    What he said, what some scouts are saying, makes some sense — to me, anyway.

    Unless the Mariners stick to their guns and get some near-MLB-ready or actual real MLB players back for Washburn, I think they should forget about this trade deadline, or even the next one at the end of August — and just hang on to everybody until the offseason.

    Forget about that sense of urgency the deadlines work up. Trade Washburn, Ibanez, whoever they can then.

    And make sure Vidro’s option doesn’t vest before the season’s over….

  8. joser on July 27th, 2008 2:00 pm

    You know that mysterious suitcase in “Pulp Fiction”?

    Eddie Guardado opened it. It contained this splitter.

  9. jordan on July 27th, 2008 2:01 pm

    *Disclaimer: I love Felix, and NEVER EVER want him to go anywhere.*

    But the Sabathia trade got me thinking. With all the Brewers gave up, IF the Mariners were shopping Felix, how much would we get? Seems like a lot to me.

  10. joser on July 27th, 2008 2:04 pm

    Karen, I disagree. You’re unlikely to get more in the offseason for Washburn then you get now (as little as that might be), and getting him off the books is enough.

  11. pygmalion on July 27th, 2008 2:04 pm

    Jarrod Washburn: World Series Champion, Angry Beaver and a True Yankee.

    Psst: Don’t forget his secret identity! He is also a fearless anti-terrorism agent who is now tired of the west coast. He might break a few laws (or fingers), but nine times out of ten, he prevents nukes from going off!

  12. galaxieboi on July 27th, 2008 2:05 pm

    Perhaps Raul will be joining ‘A Catcher’s Best Friend’ in the Big Apple?

  13. Dash on July 27th, 2008 2:05 pm

    Baker may have the bestest ever support for the trade of Washburn.

    If nothing else, the picture and caption are, quite possibly, the highest from of comedy ever. More so than Steve Kelly ever hopes to unintentionally hopes to ever receive.

    Also did you notice that Wash wasn’t sporting the creepy flesh colored beard today?

  14. galaxieboi on July 27th, 2008 2:07 pm

    You know that mysterious suitcase in “Pulp Fiction”?

    Eddie Guardado opened it. It contained this splitter.

    That explains a thing or two.

  15. Karen on July 27th, 2008 2:16 pm

    joser, if the Mariners weren’t one of the very few teams in MLB who pay attention to Commish Selig’s edicts about sticking to a budget and not going through the stratosphere in their draft contract negotiations, and ignore practically everything when it comes to offering free agents money to come to Seattle — getting Washburn off the books wouldn’t be a problem.

    If the Mariners — right now — could figure out a way to get 6+ innings out of EVERY ONE of their starting pitchers (I mean the ones who we figured would be starters at the beginning of the year) they could afford to actually let go one of the few who does get beyond 5 innings and who’s stayed healthy for the most part.

    The Washburn problem will solve itself eventually. Money isn’t the reason I’d push him out the door. I would do it only if I were absolutely completely positively sure that the guys who are in Tacoma right now will be ready to shoulder the load maybe in August, for sure in September and definitely thereafter (next year).

  16. msb on July 27th, 2008 2:17 pm

    there is a reason he was nicknamed The Washburninator.

  17. aaron c. on July 27th, 2008 2:23 pm

    Money isn’t the reason I’d push him out the door.

    That’s a shame, because it’s a really fantastic reason to do so.

  18. praetore on July 27th, 2008 2:34 pm

    Hey, Washburn and Putz currently have the same ERA of 4.50 except one guy pitches very few innings and the other is our #3-4-5 starter

  19. scott19 on July 27th, 2008 2:40 pm

    Hey, since the Yanks probably still have about 40 games left to play against the Red Sox yet this year, I think that awesome splitter of Washburn’s will come in pretty handy against their potent lineup.

  20. Sklyansky on July 27th, 2008 2:57 pm

    That Vidro kid appears to have turned the corner as well. If I didn’t want to see Wash and Vidro succeed so bad, I’d almost be upset the Yankees could potentially steal them both from us.

    To further sweeten the deal, maybe Lee P. could try and include Cairo.

  21. terry on July 27th, 2008 2:57 pm

    Jarrod has really turned a corner. What’s more, he’s got proven playoff experience. I can’t imagine a more priceless commodity. Pitching is the currency of baseball and pitching that is proven in the playoffs is like a rare coin.

    I can’t believe the Ms would even consider getting rid of Washburn especially since he’s the type of arm they should build around.

    The NYs of the world are getting a bargain. Absolute gold nugget.

  22. PaulMolitorCocktail on July 27th, 2008 3:05 pm

    Washburn’s ERA against Boston this year is a svelte 3.18.

    And you know he’ll want revenge against the Angels when they meet the Yankees in the playoffs.

  23. scott19 on July 27th, 2008 3:07 pm

    That Vidro kid appears to have turned the corner as well.

    No kidding! Did you see the way he turned on the jets there in the 7th to score that fifth run for the M’s?!

    That’s why he’s so affectionately known in these here parts as Turbo!

  24. scott19 on July 27th, 2008 3:11 pm

    21: And if pitching is the currency of baseball, I’d have to say Washburn is easily worth his weight in Euros — if not even Pounds Sterling!

  25. rjh16 on July 27th, 2008 3:17 pm

    Keeping Wash makes perfect sense when you figure how much the M’s are willing to waste next year to replace him in the rotation. I.E. Silva, Weaver ect…

  26. aaron c. on July 27th, 2008 3:22 pm

    Keeping Wash makes perfect sense when you figure how much the M’s are willing to waste next year to replace him in the rotation. I.E. Silva, Weaver ect…

    Bavasi signed Silva and the Weaver deal wasn’t all that bad of an idea.

  27. dw on July 27th, 2008 3:38 pm

    Clearly, we need to call into NYC-area sports radio stations posing as Yankees fans and asking why Hank Steinbrenner can’t pull the trigger on the steal of the year — Jarrod Washburn for a redundant outfielder.

    Come on, people. It’s just a phone call.

  28. joser on July 27th, 2008 4:11 pm

    Hey, check it out: Washburn is 1-0 with a 1.29 ERA in his one start this year against the AL East-leading Rays! He’s 11-3 and a 2.60 ERA lifetime against them! Surely that makes him especially valuable to the Yankees?

    But it’s not the splitter! That Baker blog post says

    Washburn talked after the game about how an improved change-up has benefitted him most during this two-month stretch of success.

    And then says developing that pitch has been “a 14 year struggle.”

  29. Swungonandbelted on July 27th, 2008 4:16 pm

    But now that he has it, he is ready to become a middle of the rotation starter for the next several years… No doubt projecting as a type A FA next year which would allow the Yanks to get a good return for him….

  30. pygmalion on July 27th, 2008 5:06 pm

    But it’s not the splitter!

    Don’t forget his old explanation for the success, the mechanical adjustment suggested by his college pitching coach. That gives us three different stories we can tell about the Wasburninator’s new performance:

    1. He’s developed a splitter that he uses to strike guys out. Now he’s just like Putz! He’s ready to move from mediocrity to dominance!

    2. He’s developed a change up. Now he’s just like Moyer! The best soft-tossing lefty ever! He has a crummy fastball, but who needs a good one if you’re change up is awesome?

    3. He’s made a mechanical adjustment. It helps him…do things!

    Put all three of these together, and what do you have? A guy with a suddenly expanded repertoire of weapons and unlimited upside!

    I hope that Yanks don’t take him!

  31. James T on July 27th, 2008 5:14 pm

    Actually it’s not a changeup. Over that 14 year period he’s lost so much on his fastball that it may as well be a changeup. Pitch development by accident.

  32. terry on July 27th, 2008 6:18 pm

    Jeff over at LL had a great post on just how uninspiring the new look Washburn is-if you care to look a little deeper than his current results…

    He’s a left-handed Ryan Franklin.

  33. DMZ on July 27th, 2008 6:19 pm

    You’re not helping our quest to move Washburn there, terry. Get with the program.

  34. terry on July 27th, 2008 6:30 pm

    I did my best in #21, really, I did.

    Seriously though, if the choices are between giving him to the Yankees or buying someone that could probably be useful like a Cabrera (he’d basically be half of a platoon in Safeco) by chipping in some of Jarrod’s salary, what’s the hold up?

  35. scott19 on July 27th, 2008 6:37 pm

    31 & 32:

    James — P.S.: I know you’re a Yankee-hater, too. Help us out in our noble quest here, buddy…thanks! :)

    He’s a left-handed Ryan Franklin.

    And actually, after years of toiling in obscurity as a “#5 starter”, Frankie, as we know, has now emerged as one of the premier closers in the NL. We here in Mariner Nation, of course, always knew he had it in him!

  36. Jim_H on July 27th, 2008 7:00 pm

    Hey! Manny wants out of Boston ASAP.

    Washburn and Vidro to Boston for Manny! :p

  37. Zeem on July 27th, 2008 7:01 pm

    We may just increase the asking price scaring away potential check-writers trade partners. How many guys do we have who we would reasonably trade for nothing, to escape future liability?

    But his new splitter is coming along nicely!

  38. aaron c. on July 27th, 2008 7:02 pm

    Hey! Manny wants out of Boston ASAP.

    Oh man I hope he goes somewhere that lets him walk after the season. Manny as the M’s DH is a (ridiculously far-fetched) dream of mine.

  39. joser on July 27th, 2008 7:03 pm

    Hey Yankees — just think of what Washburn might develop over the next 14 years.

  40. Karen on July 27th, 2008 7:03 pm

    You guys, especially you, DMZ, shouldn’t be trying so hard to talk Washburn up to make him seem more valuable palatable to certain other teams who might trade for him.

    Don’t you think my tactics — saying that the M’s ought to keep him, forget about the trade deadlines — works better, for all those non-USSM readers?

    (not that I’m letting the cat out of the bag or anything…)

  41. TumwaterMike on July 27th, 2008 7:06 pm

    I’m a bit confused. Last night there was Washburn news everywhere about a possible trade. A day later there is hardly any mention of a trade possibility. Does this mean the deal isn’t going through and the media has gone on to other things? Anyone know anything new?

  42. James T on July 27th, 2008 7:26 pm

    The Red Sox are doing what they can to help your efforts to have Washburn traded by beating the crap out of Sidney Ponson.

  43. mark s on July 27th, 2008 7:26 pm

    I think the game on right now shows how the Yankees NEED Washburn! It is only the 4th and the score is 7-0! When Washburn was so much better today in his start!

    Seriously, Yankees FO, you deserve Washburn in your rotation. I know I will be excited to see him in Pinstrips.

  44. RussM on July 27th, 2008 7:27 pm

    Ponson has given up seven runs through four innings… Damn. If only the Yankees could have picked up an awesome 5th starter somewhere who could have given them eight awesome innings to get to Rivera without burning up their tired bullpen……….

  45. Karen on July 27th, 2008 7:38 pm

    To follow what RussM said, Peter Abraham (whom I’ve mentioned before, I believe) is waving the white flag:

    [The Yankees] start a seven-game homestand tomorrow and at worse they’re three games out of first. Anything can happen at this park but down 5-0, the Yankees appear ready to warm up the bus.

    UPDATE, 10:18 p.m.: You could see this Ponson performance coming down the Massachusetts Turnpike like a speeding truck.

    Here’s what you do: Leave him out there to suck up three more innings, DFA him tomorrow and trade for Jarrod Washburn. The Yankees were lucky they got what they did out of Ponson. His record is (and was with Texas) totally deceiving.

  46. ajgoodsell on July 27th, 2008 8:20 pm

    24: worth his weight in gold. Based on his listed weight and current price of gold, he’s worth about $2,600,000. The problem is we pay him 4 times his weight in gold each year.

  47. nycmariner on July 27th, 2008 8:21 pm

    Dave/DMZ,

    Do you think posts like these could perhaps negatively affect the team? Do you debate making a post? On one hand, this is funny and generates discussion, but isn’t there a chance that the Yankees come across this link? They are certainly doing due diligence prior to asking about Washburn, but they seemingly have not been dissuaded yet, and even though this is just a blog, it is well regarded. Yes, the Yanks won’t pull put of a deal because they see Mariner fans can’t wait to dump Washburn, but isn’t there a chance seeing this gives them pause? Just curious what you think on that. Keep up the great work.

  48. DMZ on July 27th, 2008 8:28 pm

    Seriously? I don’t think a post like this one changes anything, and it’s amusing. And I can see where if the Yankees took internet analysis seriously, they’d stick to their guns and not go beyond taking Washburn’s contract (which I’d be fine with) instead of giving up prospects.

    In the larger view, I’d much rather have the organization pay attention to all sources of input and be a lot smarter, and to serve our audience, than I would stop doing what we’re doing for a debatable short-term gain.

  49. kinbote on July 27th, 2008 8:55 pm

    Dodger fan here. I’m hoping we can outbid the Yankees for a durable veteran lefty starter like Washburn. Sure, he’s had problems with the team, but that usually means he’s a gamer.

    Considering how valuable left-handed starters are, I’d offer Andre Ethier [we have Pierre already], James McDonald, and a low-level arm like Bryan Morris.

  50. Karen on July 27th, 2008 8:57 pm

    Over at ESPN.com/MLB, Jerry Crasnick posted at 8:46 PM (EST, I imagine) that Cashman isn’t optimistic about any other Yankee trades before Thursday:

    It’s so hard to find matches with anybody in the game where you can get fair value (my emphasis) on both sides. I’ll stay engaged with everybody that’s open for business. We just hope that the guys we have are healthy, continue to perform and, in the end, are good enough.”

    By “fair value” I take it that he means, “trade one and only one of my overhyped B-level prospects for your innings-eating lefty starting pitcher who’s overpaid by everyone’s lights except that of the Yankees because as you know, our budget is a phantom budget, and we think we have you over a barrel.”

    I dunno. Maybe the Mariners are in the catbird seat now, after Washburn looking better than he really is and Sir Sidney looking a lot like he should not even be in a uniform.

    The Mariners COULD trade Washburn after July 31st to the first party who claims him on waivers, which won’t be the Yankees. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Gets rid of the contract, and doesn’t help the Yankees…

    ————————

    In other news, Richie Sexson’s BA has gone down a percentage point since he joined the Yankees. One soft single to RF tonight, 2 Ks and a groundout to SS in a game against a lefty who pitched 7 of the 9 innings…

  51. joser on July 27th, 2008 9:00 pm

    I’d offer Andre Ethier [we have Pierre already], James McDonald, and a low-level arm like Bryan Morris.

    Sold!

  52. killer_ewok18 on July 27th, 2008 9:06 pm
  53. killer_ewok18 on July 27th, 2008 9:06 pm

    Aaggh, sorry, double posted!!!

  54. cdowley on July 27th, 2008 9:21 pm

    Considering how valuable left-handed starters are, I’d offer Andre Ethier [we have Pierre already], James McDonald, and a low-level arm like Bryan Morris.

    You had me at Ethier and McDonald. Add in Morris, who I like (although in the same way I liked Ryan Franklin and John Halama, so probably not a good thing), and you just make me giddy…

  55. Karen on July 27th, 2008 9:28 pm

    BTW, apparently Yankee fans over at Sons of Sam Horn have been taking note of the blog entries lately, and at least one of them describes them as “pretty funny”.

    I don’t think you’re fooling anybody, DMZ… :D

  56. scott19 on July 27th, 2008 9:42 pm

    I’d offer Andre Ethier [we have Pierre already], James McDonald, and a low-level arm like Bryan Morris.

    Gee, thanks!

  57. Goob on July 27th, 2008 9:45 pm

    The Yankees realize Washburn likes #56 for his uniform, right? Not only is no current Yankee wearing it, but that number isn’t even retired for any team in baseball! Just think how this wikipedia entry could look in another 10 years.

    # 53 Don Drysdale – Dodgers
    # 56 Jarrod Washburn – Yankees
    # 72 Carlton Fisk – White Sox

    And all for the low cost of a few prospects? Talk about a steal. Think about it, how many jerseys will ever be retired in their honor?

  58. msb on July 27th, 2008 9:46 pm

    Tyler Kepner in the NY Times:

    “The Seattle Mariners’ Jarrod Washburn is privately enthusiastic about a possible trade to the Yankees. But he started as scheduled Sunday in Toronto, allowing one run in eight innings for a victory.

    Washburn has a 2.82 earned run average in his last 11 starts, and his next one may come for the Yankees. But for that to happen, General Manager Brian Cashman must decide that he really wants Washburn, and he has not made that determination. Ownership has told Cashman it would pay for the $14 million or so remaining on Washburn’s contract through next season.

    The Yankees’ strategy, which Cashman has executed before in July, seems to be to wait out Seattle until the nonwaiver trading deadline Thursday. If the Mariners see no other takers for the contract, they may ship Washburn to the Yankees for a lesser prospect to unload his salary.”

  59. MedicineHat on July 27th, 2008 9:51 pm

    Kinbote doesn’t speak for all us Dodger fans. I don’t want Washburn for anything. I hope the Yanks get him before someone does something stupid in L.A.

  60. scott19 on July 27th, 2008 10:06 pm

    Think about it, how many jerseys will ever be retired in their honor?

    I’m still waiting for the M’s to retire Mario Mendoza’s! :)

  61. mln on July 27th, 2008 10:09 pm

    How about this trade?

    Yanks get:
    Jarrod Washburn, proven gritty veteran with sustainable success.

    M’s get:
    Sir Sidney Ponson, royal knight by order of Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands.

    Would you make this trade?

  62. DMZ on July 27th, 2008 10:10 pm

    If that meant not paying out $1m to Washburn to waive his no-trade clause, absolutely. Then you release Ponson and you’re done.

  63. G-Man on July 27th, 2008 11:12 pm

    If the teams ever strike a deal, getting JW to waive his no trade clause is going to be the final hurdle. Boras will play that card after the teams make a deal, when he’ll demand $1-$2 million. Rather than a cash payment now, it may be structured as a buyout amount for a 2011 option.

  64. cheapseats on July 28th, 2008 3:59 am

    Washburn: This reminds me of the three-part progression I learned in Logics class in college (example: 1. My boss’s ideas are all sh*t if not insane, 2. We always have to do what he wants; THUS: 3. This job sucks…).

    In Washburn’s case, it’s also a general progression which — surprise, surprise — works for the entire Mariner’s scenario. The problem is, all the 1st and 2nd progression elements, always lead to the same conclusion.

    Mix and match the following:

    The M’s, hoping for any trade possible to try to shake things up, always end up losing best-value middle players.

    Traded best value middle players, always do better elsewhere.

    Traded best value middle players, always end up coming back to hurt the M’s (2 games per season, average).

    M’s also do this with prospects, gutting the farm system systematically.

    M’s generally get squat in these deals, in return, forcing them to throw money at free agents.

    M’s generally get ripped in the free agent market.

    Mid-level players get great experience within the M’s organisation, knowing they’ve upped their chances of being able to get a better deal (team) elsewhere down the line.

    With their backs against the wall most of the time, the M’s aren’t in the position to maintain high value mid-level players.

    The M’s trading policy is: feast or famine.

    [etc]

    THUS (CONCLUSION): [fill in conclusion here... suggested characters: !@#$%&*]

  65. pygmalion on July 28th, 2008 8:20 am

    If nothing else, the picture and caption are, quite possibly, the highest from of comedy ever. More so than Steve Kelly ever hopes to unintentionally hopes to ever receive.

    Seriously, that was awesome.

  66. Jeff Nye on July 28th, 2008 9:38 am

    Hurry up and finish this deal already.

  67. msb on July 28th, 2008 9:40 am

    some ‘wouldn’t it be nice’ from Lyle Spenser at mlb.com:

    “Elsewhere, the Rays and Mariners are worth watching, for entirely different reasons. The Rays for the first time have reason to invest, while the woebegone Mariners look to divest.

    Rays manager Joe Maddon could use a right-handed bat, a southpaw for the back of the bullpen and a starting pitcher. The Mariners, trying to fit Jarrod Washburn into the Yankees plans, could fill all the Rays’ needs with Adrian Beltre, Arthur Rhodes and Erik Bedard. Seemingly everyone but Ichiro Suzuki is available in Seattle, with the Mets angling for Raul Ibanez’s productive bat.”

  68. msb on July 28th, 2008 9:43 am

    You know that mysterious suitcase in “Pulp Fiction”? Eddie Guardado opened it. It contained this splitter.

    I think it was the one in “Kiss me deadly”

  69. msb on July 28th, 2008 10:16 am

    “In New York, Sexson said, you need a fierce competitor, and Washburn fits that description.”

    keep talking, Richie!

  70. eddie on July 28th, 2008 10:17 am

    I say keep Washburn, and just keep telling him a trade is imminent. “They just want to see you pitch one more time. Really. I know we’ve said that the last ten outings, but this time it’s true. And look, your record is 15-9, they just don’t think you’re a 16 game winner. They don’t think you have the guts to win 16.”

    It’s the Benoit Benjamin System, as patented by George Karl.

  71. Jeff Nye on July 28th, 2008 10:21 am

    Finally, Richie Sexson does something to help the Mariners.

  72. msb on July 28th, 2008 10:47 am

    [snerk]

    “if the Yankees want him, he’s gotta be a good pitcher, so you need to get something for him”– Caller.

  73. killer_ewok18 on July 28th, 2008 11:08 am

    “…we never scored any runs for him,” Sexson said. “He should have a lot more wins.”

    Irony? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

  74. cdowley on July 28th, 2008 11:09 am

    72 –

    I busted up laughing when I heard that. Talk about ignorance… Carl Pavano, anyone?

  75. Griffey IsMySurrogateDad on July 28th, 2008 11:53 am

    Olney’s on the radio right now and he’s baffled by the M’s FO not just taking the salary dump. I like Olney, he’s good at what he does. I also thought that Baker’s post was pretty interesting to, as it seems that he’s saying we can still get the salary dump through waivers after July 31st.

    I think I’m OK with them not just dumping Kiefer Sutherland to the Yankees right away. We can still dump him later and it will be interesting to see if the Yanks blink or if another team wants Jack Bauer.

  76. scott19 on July 28th, 2008 11:56 am

    Washburn >>> Pavano!

    And, yes, he still does look like one of the Lost Boys, doesn’t he?

  77. Griffey IsMySurrogateDad on July 28th, 2008 12:04 pm

    Awesome. Maybe we should resign him.

  78. scott19 on July 28th, 2008 12:07 pm

    77: Well, even more so on the mound, of course…when he’s in full-on Angry Beaver attack mode.

  79. Jeff Nye on July 28th, 2008 12:12 pm

    Maybe if he gets traded to the Yankees he can get a guest spot on this show?

  80. scott19 on July 28th, 2008 12:12 pm

    Boy, that Lost Boys shot is sure a blast-from-the-past. Kiefer looked like a demonically-possessed Billy Idol in that pic.

  81. scott19 on July 28th, 2008 12:23 pm

    Speaking as an OSU alum, I really wish we’d have had Wash on the team before he got to the majors. With his plethora of pitching talent and that Angry Beaver grimace, I’m sure he could’ve led the Beavs to the College WS years ago.

  82. jsa on July 28th, 2008 2:12 pm

    According to the NY Post, all the tongue firmly in cheek praising of Washburn seen here is being swallowed hook line and sinker. (And all this time I thought it was so transparent).

    Ny-post-link

    Quote:
    “Washburn is viewed as a savvy, bottom-of-the-rotation guy. A scout who watched him yesterday described him as having “fringe stuff” that he makes the most of by cutting or sinking his 85-90 mph fastball as part of a wide assortment of stuff. His strengths are that he is lefty and fearless, plus he has a reputation as a top competitor and teammate. He is more dependable than Ponson or Rasner.”

  83. cody on July 28th, 2008 2:14 pm

    If Jarrod Washburn, a proven, grizzled, pitch to contact vetran, is traded to the Yankees, I predict that the Yankees will win the World Series and Washburn will be the MVP.

    Think about how his new found, sure to improve splitter will match up against guys like Ryan Braun, Ryan Howard, Hanley Ramirez, Chipper Jones or any other premier NL hitter.

    The Yankees could then posses the two greatest steals in history! (The greatest being buying Babe Ruth for 500 K.)

    Yankees FO, here’s your chance to give The House That Ruth Built a fitting sendoff and immortalize yourselves in Yankee lore.

    Someday, I predict that Jarrod Wahburn’s mug will be immortalized among Ruth and Gehrig at monument park.

    All you have to do is give us a insignificant outfielder and a no-future pitching prospect.

    Do the right thing Brian Cashman! You will bring joy to the millions of Yankee fans around the world and bring many bandwagon fans from the accursed Red Sox Nation.

    Pick up the Phone and call Lee Pelekoudas, area code 209. Take your spot in the grand history of the New York Yankees!

  84. Jeff Nye on July 28th, 2008 2:23 pm

    Yankees FO, here’s your chance to give The House That Ruth Built a fitting sendoff and immortalize yourselves in Yankee lore.

    In all seriousness…I think you have to factor this in to what the Yankees are likely to do at the trade deadline.

    They DESPERATELY want to give “Old” Yankee Stadium a playoff send-off; so I think they’ll make moves to that end that they might not make in another year, if they think it’ll make that goal even slightly more reachable.

  85. Carson on July 28th, 2008 2:29 pm

    Pick up the Phone and call Lee Pelekoudas, area code 209

    209? Stockton, California?

  86. cody on July 28th, 2008 2:34 pm

    85- Sorry, I live in Spokane, Washington, not Seattle.

  87. joser on July 28th, 2008 2:44 pm

    A few years ago we might’ve cut you some slack, but now there’s a whole genre of music designed to familiarize you with the nation’s area codes.

  88. Dash on July 28th, 2008 2:46 pm

    You know we’ve got this all wrong. We shouldn’t be calling into KJR, we should be calling Boston talk radio stations demanding stations demanding Theo trade for Washburn before the Yankees can.

    “Yeah, hey, this is Sully. We need to go out and get this Washburn cat before the Yankees can get him and knock us out of the playoffs. Plus I hear he’s a wicked awesome pitcher.”

    Nothing like using the Boston media to spur on their hated rivals in New York.

  89. Jeff Nye on July 28th, 2008 2:57 pm

    Yeah, and all you’d have to do to get him to waive the no-trade is buy him a nice cah.

  90. PADJ on July 28th, 2008 3:01 pm

    Since most everyone has spent more time watching this process than I have this may seem like a dumb question, but are there no other teams interested in Wash-out…er, WashBURN? Is it only the Yankees?

    Just curious…it would be cool to see some of these deals moved along by additional interest and bidding wars. I agree with Jeff (#66). This is getting old…

  91. Griffey IsMySurrogateDad on July 28th, 2008 3:04 pm

    Can we re-market Washburn as a highly-touted Japanese phenom? That should get a nice East Coast bidding war going.

  92. msb on July 28th, 2008 3:12 pm

    Yeah, and all you’d have to do to get him to waive the no-trade is buy him a nice cah.

    where is that cah?

  93. Carson on July 28th, 2008 3:16 pm

    I agree with Jeff (#66). This is getting old…

    I think we’ll see this go all the way to the deadline, if not the August deadline.

  94. Jeff Nye on July 28th, 2008 3:17 pm

    where is that cah?

    Hahvad Yahd?

    This trade needs to get moving so we have something better to do than make fun of regional accents.

    I think we’ll see this go all the way to the deadline, if not the August deadline.

    I don’ t think so; I think it’ll be done in the next day or so. The Mariners don’t want to lose the opportunity to dump Washburn’s salary; the Yankees don’t want to risk another team getting into the mix.

    Someone’ll blink first, soon. We just don’t know who.

  95. PADJ on July 28th, 2008 3:19 pm

    Can we re-market Washburn as a highly-touted Japanese phenom?

    Can we then charge some ridiculous amount of money just to talk about trading him? :-)

  96. msb on July 28th, 2008 3:22 pm

    ahem.

    well, it is Felix Day.

    and I am happy about it.

  97. Babes Ghost on July 28th, 2008 3:23 pm

    Dream on guys. Far more likely that Hanks calls BS and repeats his “I’m tired of teams trying to take advantage of the Yankees” speech.

    Your best bet is to hold Washy until the end of the season and deal him then. There will be many more suitors for a “fringe” lefty.

    Our best bet is to give Ponson/Rasner each another start, DFA whoever sucks more, then bring up IPK or Aceves for their spot. With Hughes and Wang coming back in September and a strong 1-2-3, I along with most Yankee fans aren’t dying for other people’s garbage.

    This thread is pretty amusing though…

  98. Sentinel on July 28th, 2008 3:28 pm

    Someone’ll blink first, soon. We just don’t know who.

    Come on. You know who’s gonna bend. Ain’t no Steinbrenner gonna bend over backwards for some washed-up, West Coast organization that couldn’t put up a solid fight against a Division II-A softball team.

    If we’re lucky, we’ll ship Washburn to NY, pay 95% of his contract, and get a fruit basket in return.

  99. lewis458 on July 28th, 2008 3:30 pm

    It worked! From ESPN’s trade blog:

    One advance scout said that Washburn has been using his splitter more in the past two months.

  100. Griffey IsMySurrogateDad on July 28th, 2008 3:36 pm

    LP: Brian, I’ve got this hot new pitcher from Japan who throws a splitter!
    BC: Who?
    LP: Kiefer Beaver-san.
    BC: I haven’t heard of him.
    LP: Probably because he’s still in high-school, where he’s already throwing 87 mph!
    BC: Hmmm…
    LP: We have exclusive rights to him and are going to pay him $10 million next year. We’re also paying him $5 this year just to keep him under our control.
    BC: How much to talk to him?
    LP: $15 million and Joba Chamberlain.
    BC: That’s waaaay cheaper than Dice-K. I’m sold!

    Yes!

  101. pygmalion on July 28th, 2008 3:39 pm

    You know we’ve got this all wrong. We shouldn’t be calling into KJR, we should be calling Boston talk radio stations demanding stations demanding Theo trade for Washburn before the Yankees can.

    I don’t know how savvy the average Boston fan is, but – Gagne aside – Theo is way too smart to get fooled on a deal like this.

  102. fret_24 on July 28th, 2008 3:42 pm

    Kiefer Beaver-san

    OK, that was funny.

  103. Jeff Nye on July 28th, 2008 3:50 pm

    Our best bet is to give Ponson/Rasner each another start

    That’s not something the Yankees can afford to do in the tightest three-way playoff race that division has seen in years.

    One more start by Sir Sidney or Rasner almost guarantees that the Yankees will be watching October baseball on their luxurious home theater setups.

    It’s also not likely that either Hughes or Wang are going to be 100% when they first come back; with zero margin for error, the Yankees don’t have the luxury of fooling around in the way that you describe.

    Is Washburn great? No, but he’s significantly better than the other options. He’s most certainly not our “garbage”.

    If you want our garbage, we’ll send you Vidro.

  104. Jack Howland on July 28th, 2008 4:07 pm

    One more start by Sir Sidney or Rasner almost guarantees that the Yankees will be watching October baseball on their luxurious home theater setups.

    How many wins better are you claiming that Washburn is over Ponson or Rasner over the remaining season when you make this statement?

  105. msb on July 28th, 2008 4:17 pm

    so, Posada is out for the year; do they stick with Molina & Moeller?

  106. Karen on July 28th, 2008 4:19 pm

    I wonder if Washburn’s agent might get involved…

    You know, Scott Boras can talk nearly any team into nearly anything about nearly anybody. If he’s anywhere behind the scenes and anyone’s listening to him, this deal will get done sooner than later.

    The Mariners should involve him in the negotiations as some kind of broker, if that’s at all kosher according to MLB rules. He’d likely do a better job than anyone in the M’s front office, IMO.

    In fact, maybe they ought to offer HIM the GM position… :D

  107. Jeff Nye on July 28th, 2008 4:27 pm

    How many wins better are you claiming that Washburn is over Ponson or Rasner over the remaining season when you make this statement?

    My answer is “not many, but enough”.

    I’m not sure I did this right, still getting the hang of WAR, but here’s what I came up with:

    Washburn 1.57
    Ponson 1.00
    Rasner 0.69

    (in particular, Ponson being a win above replacement seems optimistic to me)

    So Washburn is about a half a win better than Ponson, and about a full win better than Rasner.

    Really though, I’m a sucky analyst so take that with a grain of salt; still, the Yankees are in a pretty unique situation.

    Can you imagine how badly they’ll get torn apart in the media if the last game in Yankee Stadium isn’t a playoff game?

    I just don’t think they can afford to take the chance of letting Ponson stink up another game, or expecting injured players to come back at 100% right out of the gate. Boston and Tampa are just too good.

  108. scott19 on July 28th, 2008 4:30 pm

    Is Washburn great? No, but he’s significantly better than the other options.

    To be fair, I second you there, Jeff. Levity aside, if I were a GM of a team on the playoff cusp and had to choose between either Washburn or Sir Sidney at this point in his career for a 4/5 starter, I think I’d probably be taking a look at Wash, too.

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