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Game 106, Mariners at Rangers
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So Teixeira immediately becomes the Angels’ HR and RBI leader.
And the rebuilding job to overtake them as the division favorite just got that much harder.
Merek is just a AA guy. Anybody know anything about him? Given the Braves’ historical strength at evaluating pitchers, he must have a lot of untapped potential to make up for the difference between Teixeira and Kotchman; even if you assume Tex and his payday weren’t in Atlanta’s ‘09 plans, they would’ve got the draft picks.
BTW, check out Dave’s analysis at Fangraphs.
Well, as far as beating the Angels in 2 years, we’re pretty much screwed now.
We can always win the wild card.
what are the odds the Angels try to keep Tex, when they have to pay Vlad?
Does giving up Kotchman qualify as “mortgaging the farm”? Referring bac to Dave’s analysis at Fangraphs he states the Angels should only do it if not mortgaging the farm. I like Kotchman and he is <$2m per year as opposed to $12m…so you have to take into account the player you could get for $10m as well, right?
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Not really, given Kendry Morales being almost ready to step into the bigs. From what I understand, he’s like Kotchman, but a bit faster on the bases and with slightly better power potential (we’re talking like 5 HR’s more per year than Casey).
And despite msb’s pessimism (or, from the M’s point of view, optimism), if the Angels want to keep Tex, they probably can, Vlad or no Vlad. They’ve got a lot of spending power, they just often seem to choose not to use it for one reason or another.
My initial gut-reaction to this trade is that this is a push by Anaheim to win the WS this season. Not next year or in 2010. They may well try to re-sign Teixeira, but they really seem to be setting themselves up to win those short series, with a heck of a middle of the order. They really have no worries about getting to the playoffs, so the acquisition certainly isn’t about a two-month playoff push.
And if they don’t re-sign him, they’ve still got Morales, as pointed out above.
The Angels have a $15M team option for Vlad in ‘09, a $14M option for Garret Anderson, and a $9M option for Lackey. Assuming they pick those up, plus the bumps to Hunter, Mathews, and Escobar, and their $119M payroll for Opening Day ‘08 goes up by about another $8M… which is about the difference between Kotchman and Teixeira. Of course, Teixeira will get more next year whether it’s from the Angels or somebody else. The Halos could still afford it. But they also have to re-sign or replace K-Rod, Figgins, and Garland.
These are the Angels, not the Mariners. I can’t imagine them picking up a $14MM option on Garrett Anderson. The only team that would pay Garrett Anderson $14MM plays in Safeco. On the other hand, K-Rod is basically God.
But they generally spend their money pretty well, and isn’t it nice to have that cash ready to spend when they size up the league, figure out what it might take to beat the Red Sox in a five- or seven-game series,and decide to go get that piece?
DMZ, I’m not getting a lot of excitement from your terse post. Silva gotcha down?
joser
I’d guess that, as much as they love him in Anaheim, they Angels front office will renogiate for a nominal amount rather than pick up “a $14M option for Garret Anderson”.
I mean, what would the competition be to sign him if he left to free agency? His line for 2008 is .271/309/398 as a defensively declining left fielder who just turned 36. The chronically inept Mariners are paying crowd favorite Ibanez only $5,500 for significantly better hitting.
Mariners looking to acquire Mike Jacobs for 1B. I like getting lefty 1B with power and decent average for Safeco. Heard through some inside info along and evidentally on traderumors as well. I support this if we give up Rhodes and prospect. Hell, give them Tui and his 23 errors. He will never be a good major leaguer.
Cairo at first, LaHair at DH.
I hate this team.
So, the Big Fat Gas Can vs. one of the most potent offenses in the AL. Should be fun.
That deal strikes me as remarkably fair. I hope the Angels can’t sign him to a new deal…
Yeah, and the Angels have too many outfielders as it is. I was rather dubious about Anderson’s option as I was typing it, but I was more interested in the accounting than the commentary in that paragraph so I let it pass.
So LaHair’s HR earns him the DH spot. Hmmm.
To be fair, when it’s over 100 degrees at game time it’s reasonable to switch around guys to give them a break.
I mean, Riggleman could be running Vidro out there at second or something. He hasn’t completely lost his mind. Then again, there’s still two games left in this series, give him time.
Jacobs? You sure?
As in, “Are you sure you like a first baseman currently sporting a sub-300 OBP in the NL?”, not as in are you sure you heard that rumor.
Pretend for a second Ichiro’s 3,000 hits were all in the MLB.
Is Ichiro the youngest player to reach 3,000 hits? Cobb?
edit – Great, Clement’s not playing. Riggleman just loves making me mad.
GameCast telling me the M’s had a 73% chance of scoring with two on, one out actually made me laugh out loud. Their futility has some serious game!
Dangit.
Beltre has a cannon.
7 pitch inning for The Buffet
The Angels big deal is a great deal for the Mariners. Probably adds one loss to the Draft Pick Sweepstakes
Ichiro sure didn’t waste any time, getting a hit on the first pitch of the game.
So all the Japanese media could go ahead and get in line for the post game interviews.
Hey, Silva! Take your time, no hurry, Burger King is open late.
We should do that Washburn trade with the Yankees, but put Silva on the plane instead. Maybe they won’t notice.
Got a better idea?
The Angels big deal is a great deal for the Mariners. Probably adds one loss to the Draft Pick Sweepstakes
Well, Dave’s analysis did suggest acquiring Tex was a 1 win upgrade for the Angels. That that win would be against the M’s is probably inevitable.
Skinny Yuni would have got that ball up the middle.
We should do that Washburn trade with the Yankees, but put Silva on the plane instead. Maybe they won’t notice.
They’ll notice that they need a bigger plane.
Could someone go back and watch the Bottom Half of the 2nd inning again. Unless my eyes are lying to me every batter put the ball in play, and EVERY ball was hit HARD (with the exception of Ramon Vazquez which was nontheless a hit as well)
That half inning was very fun to watch.
you know, as I walked along, hearing that first inning fizzle, leaving Ichiro! at third, I though that was likely to be the sum total of the offense on the Mariner side of the ledger.
That was the wierdest broken bat I have seen. It looked like ot snapped at the knob.
Jacobs has been hurt. He has good pop and is a lefty bat. OPS of .804. Look, he would be a better fit than what we have now for Arthur Rhodes. At least he could work OK in Safeco you would think.
Lets see if the hard hitting of Silva continues, starting with Michael Young.
Blowers’ Key to the Game was Silva’s back, and that you’d know it was a problem if his pitches were up in the zone …
He homered during the series against us
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I would like to have him, but i don’t know that Rhodes can get him. Marlins or Brewers, I’m fine with either.
Oh that’s just unfair. Green lighting a good hitter on a 3-oh count against our chubby starter.
Wonder if anyone on the Mariners’ training staff has tumbled to the fact that being 40 pounds overweight is quite possibly contributory to back problems?
From the Bottom of the 2nd inning to Milton Bradley in the Bottom of the 3rd…
10 AB’s
1 Walk
6 hits (all hit hard except vazquez)
2 2b’s
3 outs recorded all hit hard
EDIT: Now add a HR
That is so Terrible it is almost impressive
Ichiro sure didn’t waste any time, getting a hit on the first pitch of the game.
You know, I had to laugh listening to the post-game radio show yesterday. A caller asked if the M’s might sit Ichiro until the M’s return to Seattle this weekend, so he could get #3000 at home — as if convincing Ichiro to not play for three games, and potentially jeopardizing his 200 hit season, was a real possibility. When the on-air crew gently suggested this was, uh, unlikely, the caller asked what the odds were that Ichiro wouldn’t get a hit until Friday anyway. Let’s see, that’s three starts, he gets four to five ABs per start, and he’s batting about .300…
Poor defense. The “DP twins” sure do mess up a lot of DP opportunities. Slow.
That is one of the worst pitching performances I have ever seen in my young life.
Dave buddy…its not Silva’s back.
CAR-LOSSSSS SIL-VAAAAAA *clap-clap-clap-clap clap clap*
Did you miss Kevin Jarvis?
Carlos Silva: one of Bill Bavasi’s gifts that keep on giving.
This stinks.
But considering the pitcher, the oppsoing offense, and the ballpark, I can’t say that I’m suprised.
This is almost better than what I expected.
oh, I imagine that Griffin is well aware. Wonder if they managed to get a weight clause in that contract ….
Yes Jarvis was bad, but 12 straight batters Silva did not strike anyone out every ball was hit hard except for two and one of those was a hit. That is impressive
wish I was watching Lackey.
Well. Strasburgers for everyone!
Strasburger
Jose Lopez, you are slow.
Well the skinny kid hasn’t done much to solve the hit problem…
The fat-ass shit is getting old.
Our pitching staff is winning impaired
Prediction: Someone on Texas will be thrown at intentionally.
To semi quote the Great Harry Doyle “It’s 8(7) nothing, about time”
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/ws1/gam_ws.shtml says it was Cobb at 34 years of age. Ichiro is 34 years, nine months and seven days old. Cobb would have been about two months younger than Ichiro is right now.
Someone else can calculate the difference in advantage between the number of games in the seasons Cobb was playing versus the generally shorter seasons in Japan and 162 games in the AL.
Also getting tired: complaining about people complaining about Silva’s weight.
Yeah, it is really getting old watching Lopez play second base. Soooo many balls get by his dives, only a couple of steps to his right.
No one is interested in him?
Wow…I’m glad we have Silva locked up for the next 3 years with that wonderful 4 year $48 million dollar guaranteed deal……….no
8 runs for Texas.
Who wants a Strasburger?
Problem I have with Jacobs is that he’s actually not that much of a pull hitter. Yeah, he’s a lefty that hits for power, but at least when I’ve watched him he tends to hit liners all over the place. His power tends to come from being able to get enough lift on those liners to get some of ‘em out. Doesn’t seem like he’d fit all that well here given his style.
apparently Bedard not only talks to his teammates, he jokes.
Darn it, I tuned into the Angel’s game just in time to hear Lackey lose the no-hitter. I’m such a jinx.
Trade Betancourt!
Breaking News : Carlos Silva owes Burger King $47 million dollars
Is it possible to trade him to Burger King?
Carlos could be to Burger King what Jarod is to Subway. Think of the possibilities Burger King! I’d say a couple whoppers in return, but this would basically just be a salary dump.
Nothing like a game in Texas, with crappy pitchers in for both teams. I predict that the winner tonight will have more than 9 runs.
Wow, that may be a hitters park, but LaHair crushed that ball….
Aww. I was enjoying seeing Jamie Wright again.
LaHaired!
But seriously, he CRUSHED that ball. Goodness!
My prediction stands…
Yup…
When Silva starts, we need to score 10+ runs. This is a formula for long-term success.
wish Rizzs would stop referring to this as ‘a comeback’– they are still losing.
Good news in the hunt for the first worst. SD has Chris Young back from the DL, and he is looking good. 6 Ks after 2 innings. Hopefully amounts to a few extra wins for the Fathers down the stretch.
before the game Brad Lefton was saying that yesterday as the game got underway he was thinking that with two hits to get 3000, Ichiro would either get one or three; that he wouldn’t end a game smack on 3000 hits. He said Ichiro looks at record breaking as a stepping stone to further achievement, not as a final goal.
Paraphrasing, mind you.
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Chris Young decided that the only sure way to keep from getting hit in the face is to make sure nobody makes contact… now he’s at 7k in 2.2 innings.
Why PH Kenji if all your going to do is bunt?
Pardon my french, but is Riggleman f***ing stupid? Why would you pinch hit for LaHair with GIDP-San?
Despite my contempt for Kenji’s hitting, I hope he’s ok. That was a wicked bean.
Riggleman is magic. He makes bizarre unreasonable moves just the same a McLaren did but they seem to work out twice as good for him.
Hahah… that’s something I wouldn’t expect to see.
HUH?
Washburn comes out of the dugout with no belt… tool.
come on, use the power of Riggleman’s belt
so … one of the more entertaining games of the year … for all the wrong reasons. But that’s why we watch, right? (Partly?)
Well this has become silly.
Ha – the Texas announcers are commenting on how if Lou was still managing, Jarrod would have to wrap the belt around a couple times…
the Ms have had some damn peculiar games this year.
That is an odd way to enhance Wash’s trade value.
And your game-winning run, by Washburn.
Jarrod Washburn: M’s hero for all times!
Bizzaaaaaro.
Just think how valuable Washburn would be in the National League.
86
seriously
93… or in the Series, when the Yankees are playing in an NL park.
Wow, this has been an unexpected, but highly entertaining, turn of events. Right up to, and including, the blown squeeze.
giggity
Right up to, and including, the blown squeeze.
I repeat – Trade Betancourt!
Oh, good God, I hate my mobile browser. Too late to edit, too.
But my prediction was good!
well crap
Maybe we can package up Putz and Betancourt.
When do we start booing Putz?
Disney’s newest film, Strasburg in the Outfield!
Yuni’s getting a lecture right now, I’ll bet.
I hear the Orioles are shopping around Sherrill for a shortstop.
Was Morrow unavailable or is Jim just trying to get JJ back into the closer role he has so clearly shown he deserves?
REFUSE TO LOSE (Strasburg)!!!
Putz is on board, are you?
damn, what happened to putz over the offseason, I hope he gets better so we can free up morrow
to quote Drayer: “He is not big on extra or early work. He just doesn’t seem disciplined (and I am talking strictly on field here, I know very little of his personal life) in anything he does. Crazy swings, mental lapses, an unwillingness to show up early and work on these things. I just don’t think he gets it. I am not sure he knows how good he could be or how important he could be to this team.”
We paid Mr. Silva $1616.68 PER PITCH today for his effort. On the other hand, Jarrod earned $60802.00 for his effort on the base paths. I think the M’s should ask for a refund from Carlos.
Too bad. Despite JJ’s and Yuni’samazingly bad outing, the Nationals lost so we didn’t pick up a game on them.
Even though I hope we get the #1 pick, I would like it if from now on we will se the real JJ and Bobby Ayala in a JJ suit.
REFUSE TO LOSE(Strasburg)!!!
JJ’s pitched all of 5 innings since coming off the DL.
Wow, 60,802 for pinch running.
Jarrod made a years salary by running 270 feet as fast as he can.
Do the BoSox still want JJ…cause I wouldn’t mind Masterson and a another prospect.
Pelekoudas has joined all the FO guys who’d come to Texas after the Cooperstown trip (per Drayer last night — Chuck, Howard, Fontaine, Wallace) Drayer said they all seem to have a phone glued to their ear, and that the feeling she has is that they are not interested in a salary dump; they want value back for anyone they move, and are looking for primarily young, almost-majorleague ready players. They don’t have to dump salary, and want to set the tone for how they go forward into next season, and that as the interim GM, Lee would rather not make a deal, than make a stupid deal.
So, tonight, Lee met the media and pretty much confirmed what she said.
Lee says they are not dumping salary, they’ll just make a trade if it improves the team– and the trade deadline is an artificial deadline… and there is the offseason, there’s no time crunch … not trying to get the team turned around in the next two days, next two weeks, next two months. They are looking at every thing that could make the team better, and listening to every thing; looking at both younger players and major-league ready. Concentrating on making the right deal that makes themselves better.
115
…Gah.
#110
So what did The Interview earn while sitting on his rear, Mr. Calculator?
Units of work turned in have nothing to do with salary in this sport.
Jeeeez, lets hope not! Otherwise we are really getting ripped off!
oh nevermind, we are getting ripped off.
Betancourt this year:
6 walks.
2 stolen bases.
Virtually no successful bunts.
Drayer says the team has and is trying to motivate him, Raul is trying, Adrian is trying …. Riggleman benched him last week, and when Yuni asked him why, Riggleman explained he had the worst OBP in the league, and that he was making it easy to sit him — Yuni just didn’t get it.
Glasgow asked if you could send him to Tacoma, and she said she is afraid that they’d lose him if you sent him down — the best thing might be to get someone to push him up here, but at that point it might just be better to go get someone else.
6 F’n walks? Any idea on the MLB record with 500+ AB’s for least walks in a season?
If the ball was 20 feet above Yuni’s head he might swing the bat…I love Yuni and all and love his story. He has a lot of promise, but 6 walks at this point in the season is insane…And for someone who is suppoused to be somewhat fast, 2 steals is very weak…Richie Sexson might have 2 steals. I have heard people talk about trading Ichiro because Yuni could replace him as a leadoff hitter…Now that is a joke
LOL # 117… Yeah you may be right, but still the fact that we are paying that much for the production we’re receiving right now is absolutely ridiculous. I can understand Jarrod’s pay (I basically divided the player’s salary by 162 games) for what he did… I mean, how often do you see your starters being inserted as PINCH RUNNERS for the DH? But Silva? I think he has more value as a buffet spokesman than a ball player.
No, I haven’t figured out The Interview yet…
I was really confused watching this game tonight. I was hoping somebody that know more about baseball could help me. Why would you pull a guy that is 3-4 with a HR and put in a guy batting .209? It made abolutely no sense to me
Then a suicide squeeze with a guy at the plate who bunted last night and looked horrible doing it. Tonight that was a pathetic attempt at a bunt. When I coached the little kids the bunted better than that. I wish I could meet someone that could explain to me exactly what this team is doing. I never understood McClaren, and Riggleman is better but at times makes no sense.
So I missed the end of the game last night, then saw an oblique reference to Jarrod pinch running… I thought I must have mis-read what I saw, so I checked the box score…
WTF?! Seriously?!
in the early years, Lou used to have Moyer as his unofficial back up pinch-runner
I don’t think Yuni will ever get his game together. He could be a fine player, if he could bunt and develop some discipline at the plate, but IMO that is asking for way too much at this point. He is what he is, and I think the M’s need to toss him on the scrap heap in the coming months. That missed squeeze bunt said it all about his development and lack thereof. I think he has reached his maximum potential, and it isn’t pretty.
It was tough watching JJ last night too. It was like anticipating a massive car wreck and then watching the events leading to the crash slowly unfold in front of the eyes. I guess it would be too bad to have to warm someone up as backup every time we put in our closer, but that might be necessary.
I think JJ has had a tough time with his injuries and playing on a bad team. I think he could still do quite well on a contender. I think Morrow should be the closer and JJ should go on the trading block. Unlike a lot of the overpaid M’s, we could still probably get a prospect or two for JJ.
Silva. I cringed the moment we signed him, but I did not think he would be this bad. Ouch.
Yup, Kenji pinch hit for DH LaHair, and Kenji got hit by a pitch on the knee or side of his knee and had to leave the game.
Cairo had started at first, Bloomquist had PH for Reed, so all that was on the bench was Turbo and Clement. I guess Riggles thought that Washburn was a faster runner and it was the go ahead run in the 9th…