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Game 108, Mariners at Rangers
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So, while we’re waiting for the game to start, can we talk Manny/Griffey for a minute?
How much of a defensive upgrade is Jason Bay?
why not discuss it in the Manny or Griffey threads?
just wondering.
*shrug* I thought game threads were anything goes. Sorry.
Any news on who takes Rhodes roster spot?
Which vomit-inducing broken down non-Felix starter is it today? Dickey? Dear god, if his knuckler ain’t knuckling the Rangers may score 20 runs.
Bill Krueger: “I think Washburn is here the rest of this year, I think Washburn is here next year, I think he is pitching better.”
Bill, Bill… Why couldn’t you have been saying that last week?
Now Bill is saying that the Griffey deal is a good deal for the WhiteSox. So what does he know?
How about them Nats! Lost their last 8 and down by 2 runs to the Phillies today. How can we compete with these guys? They are taking losing to a whole new level.
Unloading Washburn and Ibanez could have helped a little.
Did anyone hear of any offers made on JJ? I can’t seem to find very much.
The sad thing about wanting to get rid of JRod (he can still go on waivers) is that we’re still stuck with Batista and Silva. Makes it unlikely the team will pursue Burnett and a hitter in the off season to possibly put a contender on the field. My hope is still alive for next season.
Hope for losses this season to get Strasburg, but RallyFried is so right. Bad as the M’s are, it’s hard to compete with the Nats.
Did anybody hear Angie say “Pootz” when Riggleman mispronounced “Putz”?
And then she said actually said “ribeyes”. Yeesh.
oh dear. is ichiro finding new ways to blow a man on third, no out situation?
Ichiro nap.
I’m thinking he needed more time to catch his breath…
Good news is, he was running, on the triple, like a man w/o a hammy problem.
Dear JP Ricciardi-
Did you see that? Should have given up Snider.
Sincerely,
Lee P.
Guess Cairo forgot how to throw
Why in the name of all that is good and holy is Beltre DH’ing while Cairo plays 3B?
I can’t believe LaHair has actually been playing this well.
16, see Willie b’s original cup ‘o coffee with the M’s – a September near .400 BA. They make new guys prove they can hit, then they figure out their holes.
Burke is SLOW! Jesum Crow!
sorry– been thinking about that all the way home, didn’t mean to be snippy, but it’s raining and I’m crabby.
and someone other than AB at third doesn’t help.
Well, the Ms figger that they can hit and that any holes that are revealed are just “bad luck”….
Sweet, they changed that to a double for Ichiro. He has a REAL chance for the cycle tonight now.
Come on, give us one tiny thing to be happy about!
hey, she used to produce ribeyes when she played.
Oh don’t worry about it msb. Anyway, you were right.
I can’t believe LaHair has actually been playing this well.
Lookout Landing had an excellent answer to that.
supposedly RRS, but no word on if as a starter or bullpen
FWIW, Drayer says she was told they were only offered “organizational players” for Raul & Washburn, meaning guys who’d never move beyond AAA
God, I hope this isn’t another of those games where the M’s decide they have enough runs already, let’s just take some hacks.
They won’t fill AR’s roster spot until tomorrow, they said on the broadcast.
AS for the Loaiza question, he was traded in July three times, but only once on the 31st, and that one was NOT for Young. From Baseball-Reference.com:
July 17, 1998: Traded by the Pittsburgh Pirates to the Texas Rangers for Warren Morris and Todd Van Poppel.
July 19, 2000: Traded by the Texas Rangers to the Toronto Blue Jays for Darwin Cubillan and Michael Young.
July 31, 2004: Traded by the Chicago White Sox to the New York Yankees for Jose Contreras and cash.
Must be the rain or maybe post-trade deadline blues, seems like the tone is pretty subdued on the gamethread tonight. Maybe all the action in the first caught everybody off guard…
So is it safe to say LaHair is going to quit hitting sometime next march but manage to hold a roster spot until sometime in 2014?
Awful play by Young, but sweet sac fly to determine who gets home field in the WS.
So is it safe to say LaHair is going to quit hitting sometime next march but manage to hold a roster spot until sometime in 2014?
On the Bloomquist track, yes, but LaHair isn’t from Port Orchard. The likes of Reed and Morse have both spent plenty of time off the roster since their hot starts.
I think it’s more likely that LaHair recognizes that playing the Rangers is a lot like playing in the PCL, and he’s a good AAA player.
Lol @ Yuni being out of the lineup because of “elbow discomfort”, or whatever it was Sims just said. We all know why he isn’t playing.
nice of Texas to throw us a bone in Harrison …
Riggleman has been pretty frank in the past about why he sat Yuni– maybe he really does have a sore elbow.
Perhaps because it got chewed out.
He’s looking good so far with
3 no-hit inningsone hit through 3+, which maybe isn’t that surprising; a knuckler darts because of its non-rotation, allowing the imbalance of the air around it to move it in unexpected ways. Hotter air is denser, and should cause more (baffling) movement; it’s 98 degrees in Arlington at game time.On the other hand, over the last three years Tim Wakefield has an ERA of 3.46 in 4 starts at the SkyDome/Rogers, a 2.14 ERA in 3 starts at the Metrodome, and a 3.07 ERA in 7 starts at Tropicana Field, all non-retracting roof domes with climate controlled air. His starts at the two southern most, hotter climate AL teams are 12.96 in 2 starts at Anaheim and 6.03 in 5 starts at Texas.
So… I apparently have no idea what I’m talking about.
But now I’m really curious if anyone’s mined the PitchF/X data to determine the effect of temperature and humidity on fastballs and breaking pitches as well as knucklers. We know that temperature has a severe positive effect on the distance of fly balls; I’d imagine there is more than a marginal correlation of temperature to the break of the pitched ball- even a couple of inches could be the difference between a wicked curve and a hanging one. Surely it would be extremely useful for a pitcher to know that for every N degrees of temperature, he should throw his curveball and slider Y% more frequently.
[Niehaus]‘ perfect timing– he announces that RA hasn’t given up a hit, and smack goes Hamilton.
Josh Hamilton is on the short list of players whose at-bats you don’t want to miss.
don’t look now, Bryan Lahair’s OPS is .976
hincandenza — hotter air is less dense. PV = nRT.
#38.
Wow, I’m pretty sure this will be the only comment I ever make on this site with authority. Ever. As a former artillery meteorologist in the US Army, air density has the greatest ballistic effect on flying objects. So temperature and humidity over all else in ballistic tables. So maybe your line of logic has merit… but with a greater bite in outdoor humid conditions, I would expect the numbers to be different. Weird, another example of why I stay out of metric arguments.
At what point do we in a way root for the Mariners to tank so they will get the highest draft pick possible?
profmac- June.
Profmac-
We have been… and for quite some time now.
wonder if Elias tracks how many time a teams leaves the bases full ….
Are there any Evan Longoria’s on the horizon for next year’s draft?
Screw the Nationals for sucking more than the Mariners. Bring on Ackley.
sheesh.
Did you see that… Silva almost ate Corcoran. SOMEONE… GET THAT MAN A HOT DOG!!!
profmac- The prize in this years draft right now is Stephen Strasburg
Dustin Ackley is a pretty good consolation prize.
Is it me, or the Texas heat, or are Mariners/Rangers game the most boring things, ever?
Baker has updated his “calling my sources in Toronto” story
After Ichiro’s 6th triple of the season, I started wondering what the franchise record for triples in a season was.
Well, 6 isn’t close. Ichro had 12 in 2005, which is the Mariner record, beating Harry Reynolds who had 11 one year.
Baker’s revision makes the M’s execs appear to be on the ball:
How freakin’ hot is it in the horse costume?
Look, ponies! Willie walks again!
Honestly,
Is there even a chance to beat the Nationals in tanking this season? Padres could beat us, too…
The Mariners aren’t nowhere near as bad as the Nationals.
*dragging self from morass* Sooooo….Iiii…caaaannn….leeeeavee…theeee…hooouseeee…witttthhh…aaaa….eeeiiightttt….rrrruuuunnn….llleeeeaadd?
Did you see that? That’s SCRAPPY.
*looks up from putting on shoes*
Dammit!
The curse of the commentator!
“Dickey’s only thrown 80 pitches and given up the three hits….” BOOM!
Well, I think that’s about as good as you would expect from Dickey tonight.
Ah, gotta love that Krueger…yet another magna cum laude graduate of the Tim McCarver Institute for Excellence in Sports Journalism.
BTW, nice job tonight, RA!
I wonder if Dickey wears Dickies.
Looks like Mark Lowe was doing his best Jose Mesa impersonation out there tonight.
Dammit dammit dammit. Your site had a great article on the value of a closer in a 3 run game situation, which did a lot to confirm my disliking of the hype closers get. But JJ… c’mon already. What’s going on with him?
JJ is not 2007 JJ. That’s why trading him at the deadline would have been a good move. The more chance he has to pitch, the more he will either further expose himself or prove that his latest bout of poor pitching is residual funk from being hurt. Let’s hope its the latter.
It should be residual funk. Right now he’s in George Sherrill spring training mode. And trading him when his value was this depressed would have been a disaster.
Um, who is R. A. Hough?
so why would someone want him if he is not 2007 JJ?
wonder if Dickey has called Phil Neikro yet? Niehaus said he passed Phil’s business card along to Dickey after the HOF trip …
Oh man, how embarassing (I hope my high school chemistry teacher isn’t reading this game thread!). I think I was confusing pressure with density; now that you mention ol’ PV = nRT, it’s all coming back to me.
Which makes sense- as the temperature increases the volume isn’t limited so that same quantity of air will expand, making it less dense on the playing field- this leads to longer fly balls, and probably less break on pitches. Which does fit the data with Wakefield; in higher temperatures, the air is less dense, and thus a pitcher relying on breaking stuff- in particular the knuckleball- will be adversely affected. There will be less air to buffet the ball, it will be ‘flatter’, and be teed off on more. Those climate controlled stadiums ensure that his knuckler is more consistent throughout the game, while the lack of real wind or varying temperature means that he’ll have greater control in throwing strikes with the knuckler.
Which brings us to Dickey; ESPN Page 2 had this interesting article a few weeks ago, where Jim Caple tried to catch a Dickey knuckleball. Dickey throws a harder knuckler than Wakefield; at the risk of embarassing myself a second time, wouldn’t it make sense that the higher the temperature, the less the knuckler knuckles- unless you add velocity? So Wakefield sticking to that 65mph knuckler has a flatter pitch in hot weather, but Dickey’s faster knuckler is perfect.
hincandenza – makes sense…and enjoyed your posts
Back in 2004 the New Yorker had an article on the knuckler that had this to say about atmospheric conditions:
(If you read all the way to the end, Dickey makes something of a surprise appearance.)
If you’re really interested in the physics, there’s a pretty thorough explanation here.