Game 113, Twins at Mariners
DMZ · August 5, 2008 at 6:10 pm · Filed Under Mariners
Baker v Dickey. Sometimes in these posts, I point out how the M’s have hugely overpaid for a random talent, but here, Dickey’s the random talent. Considering the M’s got a Dickey/Silva talent for free or on a multi-year, $bazillion dollar deal, well, we should at least applaud the good value pickup as we cringe at the other future.
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Exciting day with the Morrow and Wlad moves. In other news Dan Haren is cheaper then Carlos Silva.
Too bad we missed out on getting Livan Hernandez off waivers. What a steal that would have been!
Good gravy I approve of tonight’s lineup.
In other news Dan Haren is cheaper then Carlos Silva.
Oh wow, is that ever embarrassing.
still not official, is it?
Freddy was supposed to throw for teams today down in Miami
This is a good lineup with regards to tonight and then to 2009 by getting guys some experience. The only change I might make is flip flop Wlad and Ibanez for defensive reasons (Wlad is a bit quicker, correct?).
5… Colorado “won” the waiver, still no deal yet. Presumably the Twins will be more than glad to get rid of Livan and most of his salary.
Man, what do you DO with 3 more years and $36M worth of Silva? What do you even DO? It’s one thing to eat 1/2 year of Sexson and Vidro.. but JEEZ.
Can anyone get him to go on a diet and at least become serviceable for the remainder of that horrible deal?
Man, what do you DO with 3 more years and $36M worth of Silva?
Put a good defense behind him and hope for a half-season where he puts up something like a 4.00 ERA. (Given his current 4.58 xFIP, this seems possible.) Then sell high.
If somebody, anybody at all, wants to take Carlos “Tenderloin” Silva’s $36,000,000 contract off our books, we should gladly accept anything, even a team bus that we can title-transfer to a AA team in our system.
Clearing that space for a bag of balls would make Pele a certifiable genius.
And who knows, maybe the M’s hit the lottery and Dickey turns into Phil Niekro.
Whereas Silva will turn into the parking lot at the all you can eat buffet.
I pretty much think HowChuck will be looking for a return that’s WORTH $36 million, even though it’s obvious Silva isn’t.
And I’m afraid they’ll hire a GM that thinks the same way….
Um, this Felix and Silva interview is STRANGE.
how would you define that shirt carlos silva is wearing on the pre-game show right now ?
I think it took them this long to dump Vidro because they really thought someone would want him in a trade.
It boggles the mind, but the same braintrust that figured that a broken down singles hitting middle infielder would make a good DH was then incapable of realizing what they really had. Or what they had actually done in signing him to a multiyear contract.
At least until today!
RF-L Ichiro!
CF-L Reed
LF-L Ibanez
3B-R Beltre
2B-R Lopez
C-L Clement
DH-R Balentien
1B-L LaHair
SS-R Betancourt
huh. Joe Mauer grew up in St Paul?
I suspect this franchise is overly concerned with saving face, even if it means not recognizing their sunk costs.
This M’s lineup tonight actually makes some sort of sense.
It’s weird to see a lineup that I agree with…….Nice double by Reed there
Keyword: some
Why DH Balentien and play Raul in the field?
I dunno, if that were the case, they wouldn’t have cut “fan favorites” as they have the last few years. If it was just waiting to see if someone would trade for Vidro, they could have let him go just after the deadline.
The general consensus on the pregame was that someone might pick Vidro up if they didn’t have to pay for him.
REALLY?????
That was a nicely placed double by Jeremy Reed. I know he’s not going to be a star and he can’t really hit lefties, but I’m glad he’s playing.
Nice hit by Reed, I thought it was going to go out right in the corner.
And just now, during the TV broadcast, they were musing that Vidro would be a good fit for a NL team that needs a switch hitter to pinch hit.
I suppose that’s true, if the team needed a ground ball at some point in the game.
and they’d get Pepe for free….
They do have to feed him, though.
yum, buffet.
Oh, c’mon Clement…you could’ve tried the Lenny Randle Maneuver!
He’s up! Here we go…
here comes the round mound of unsound..
the average age of the mariners starting lineup tonight is 27.33333
this is the best lineup of the whole season!
Lopez looks super sharp tonight.
Couldn’t you argue that the New York Yankees is named after a state?
It’s been over an hour since I’ve seen the word Vidro.. how cool is that?
so, if reed has 4 extra base hits in the last 5 games, that means he has quadrupled the ignitor’s season total in 5 games.
35: A Yankee is a resident of the Northeast (“A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur’s Court”)
RAUUUUUL
Ibanez has hit more HR here than any other Mariner?
Sheesh…there haven’t been a lot of homers hit at Safeco.
Raul, who hit the first grand slam at Safeco, just broke Bret Boone’s record for most homers hit there. Bret Boone left the M’s in 2005 and was in the NL in 2000 when Safeco opened. Raul, on the other hand, has played at Safeco every year (including his years with the Royals). I’m just thinking whoever caught that ball isn’t going to be asked to send it to Cooperstown.
38: That makes no sense. “Twins” isn’t a state.
35 is just saying that New York is a state and a city.
42: I think I missed the question.. “Minnesota” is a state..
If you’re going to count the Yankees, you’ve got to count the Mets as well..
Hmm…getting rid of the deadweight seems to have perked up the team.
Gee. Who would have known???
Florida Marlins?
Arizona Diamondbacks.. Colorado Rockies..
Hey, some runs!
I don’t understand what it is they’ve been doing the last few nights– this thing where they get base-runners, and then fail to leave them all out there?
I want to fly to Seattle and slap Blowers. So he says to Dave that he doubts the team can put together a 6-7 game winning streak because it has so many young players. I assume he meant, ’cause, you know, they’d been doing it with those proven veterans.
So Dave says, you mean because players are coming up and down so much? and Blowers goes, yyeeaaahhh…like that’s not what he meant at all. Guess we count him in the professional hitter and grit column.
Meanwhile, the players all look like they’ve woken up from some drugged stupor they’ve been in for months.
Grand Slam by Dick Sexson.
I thought the answer would be the only team named for two cities….
Y’all, is there a question about whether Raul Ibanez can get hot?
I didn’t think so.
No question about it.
For the last few innings I forgot it was 2008, and forgot the game doesn’t matter.
That hasn’t happened to me all season.
Texas Rangers, of course.
20:10
Dave: Ibanez has been on a tear blah blah.
Blow: blah blah He has no doubt about it
Dave: Blah blah
Blow: blah blah…..he’s really been hitting the ball well without any doubt.
I love these guys!
okay, I had to go check the Interweb.
per Wikipedia, so, you know …
The “Minnesota” designation, instead of “Minneapolis” (the Twins were the first professional baseball team to be named for a state rather than a city), comes from the fact that the team is intended to represent the Twin Cities of Minneapolis-St. Paul (and, presumably, the entire state).
The name “Twins” derives from the popular name of the region, the Twin Cities. It was unusual at the time to name a professional team after a whole state. Later, the Texas Rangers (coincidentally the relocated expansion Senators), Florida Marlins, Colorado Rockies, Arizona Diamondbacks, and the California Angels—now the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim—would follow their lead, as would teams in other sports.
I have thought the same thing several times. Is is possible that this is mandated or influenced by the ownership?
I don’t think Reed wants to go back to AAA or the bench.
I realize the Wikipedia article expressly refers to the Twins as the first major league baseball team named for a state, but it appears the Vikings got there first, or damn close to first.
I still claim the New York teams were first, plus the Mets don’t even play in New York the city so how are they not named after the state?
That homer tonight was Sexson’s first extra base hit as a Yankee.
He was 5 for 18 before tonight.
Amazing how a player complains about not playing full time, and then gets dumped and I presume thinks it is OK to play part time for his new team.
61: On what basis? I grew up in the area, and I can tell you that the millions of people there associate all the teams in the city with the city. People thought that the New York Islanders should be called the Long Island Islanders, and the Nets were, in fact, the Long Island Nets of the ABA for a time.
sexson had a double in the at bat before the home run
also, i think the trivia question was about the first pro baseball team,
does anyone think new yorkers think the yanks or mets are named for the state of new york ?
61: In what way do you think the Mets don’t play in the City? They play in Queens, which has been part of New York City for a long, long time.
Yuni, Yuni, Yuni, do you feel your career sliding away like those balls under your glove?
Somewhere there’s got to be an NL team who wants him.
Uh, Twins, what’s with your head first slides? You all want to break your wrists?
61. did the county of Queens secede from the city of New York ?
i must have missed that somehow, must have been arguing with Bako.
well, when you are actually hired to play part time …
as Valle would be the first to tell you.
Ugh, I can’t stand to listen to these TV “analyst” anymore. I wish my radio got reception
HA! Did you guys hear that uncertainty? Blowers doesn’t THINK there’s any question about Joe Mauer whatever whatever.
Hmmm, this is one of those “fun” knuckleball nights… it’s going like crazy, but R.A. seems to have less control over it than normal…
Technically they play in Flushing. Which is in Queens, which I believe JR Ewing is correct and they are their own city now.
72:
Begging to differ, Queens is one of the five boroughs of New York City, along the Brooklyn (also on Long Island), the Bronx (also home to a baseball team), Manhattan (also called Kings), and Staten Island (which had an open sewer running down the middle of it the last time I was there).
ouch. apparently the foot AJ hurt here on the weekend is broken
and Larry Larue actually talked to Bedard, who sounds perfectly affable.
borough, county, whatever you call them. they are all in New York City.
that guy must have confused the Mets with the Jets.
I guess it is in the New York City limits, but either way they have the same name as the state of New York so I don’t see how I am wrong. Wouldn’t they be the New York City Mets/Yankees then?
76: the official name of both the city and the state is New York. An “NYC” address is actually New York, New York; hence the old line, “so nice, they named it twice.”
i think hamnasty should should take a trip to new york and see for himself, just walk around the stadium after a game and take a straw poll.
True… I blame that stupid duck for making a dumb question. And the fact New York is a state and the teams probably never clarified what they were named after. I will give it up though.
Dickey forgot to knuckle that one.
indeed, when adding it to a subject heading, one adds:
New York (State) |z New York.
63… for a more famous example, see the New Jersey Giants.
Even with the grand slam, true to form, Sexson’s home run came with the Yankees behind by six and made no difference in the end.
73: Ward P — no, Kings County is Brooklyn; Manhattan is New York County.
how many mariners have hit slams in consecutive games other than blowers ?
come on reed
I’m confused by this argument. Both the Yankees and the Mets play in New York City, and always have. Neither play in Manhattan, which hasn’t had a baseball team since the Giants left in 1957.
I’m not sure, is it worse to be confused by the argument or totally indifferent? *Yawns*
I’m sorry, Mike Snow (82) – that’s just silly.
I’m no Sexson fan, but hitting a home run that gets your team within two runs (with 5 outs remaining) *does* matter. Especially in the Texas Band Box Stadium. Especially against the Rangers stellar bullpen.
Saying it is “true to form” and “made no difference” presumes knowledge of what the next two innings would bring.
However, Richie is still a big knucklehead and I’m glad he’s gone.
C’mon, no love for Rauuuuul? What a series thus far!
85. a couple of guys were arguing with the duck. they didn’t like the answer to the trivia question.
I said it made no difference in the end, don’t selectively quote me without the essential context, thank you.
90. what are you on ? of course, it made a difference in the end.
Are the Twins always this bad in the field, or only when they’re not playing on their special, extra hard court–er, I mean, field?
It’s mostly Brendan Harris, I think, he’s probably worse defensively than Betancourt and is a major reason for Tampa Bay’s improvement this year.
Suddenly we’ve gone from the Grumpy Old Men to The Kids Are Alright.
And naturally, as soon as I type that, Gomez has a fantastic catch in the outfield. Although I’d assume their outfielders have to be pretty damn fantastic, dancing with the plastic baggy the way they do.
Jason Kubel is feeling a lot better today.
Don’t look now, but the graph is losing it’s pep.
26,083 people at tonights game on a freakin tuesday night…WOW..you can’t get much better then that having the second worst record in the leauge. M’s fans are the best…Management needs to reward the fans. At least today was a little gift with Morrow being sent AAA to be a starter and Vidro being released.
so, not so much of a soft landing for JJ.
Shipoopi!
Where is Sean Green tonight?
It’s nice that the M’s are comfortably easing JJ back in to the closer role.
What is JJ doing now he wasn’t doing before, or vice versa? I’m not really buying the injury excuse anymore; something is just not working, but I have no idea what it is.
ok I am still learning pitching metrics….can anyone explain JJ?
Why does he have to be treated with kid gloves?
Rauuuuuuul is the man
One thing that seems obvious about JJ is that the split finger doesn’t appear to be dropping. I wonder if the stats show that.
Because luggage comes for all our closers sooner or later.
LOPEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IN THE CLUTCH AGAIN!
Who are these Mariners? Could it be chemistry?
This game makes me excited…
And yet…what’s the point?
It only took 113 games to send the message that this isn’t a country club and everyone’s job is at stake. If Brandon Morrow is going to be a starter, someone else is not going to be a starter (and Brandon Morrow is under club control for four more years, so do the math, Jarrod and Jose). Half the lineup tonight started the season in Tacoma. Play hard or go elsewhere is a message that would seem obvious in any season, for any team, but it certainly hadn’t been the clear message before tonight.
JJ fans Punto.
What was that about the split not dropping?
Well, there goes my theory about the split-finger not dropping.
J.J. is looking better…..He needs to get this save to get some confidence
He still has to shake off the rust. I’d be willing to give him some time to put it together. When the season is over, I believe we’ll have a good idea of where JJ’s at.
Great column by Peter Schmuck about JJ.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-sp.schmuck05aug05,0,3013472.column
Yep…let’s give JJ a break until he’s got some real innings under his belt. I’d say worrying about the splitter is the equivalent of small sample size.
If this holds up, I feel bad for Dickey.
I am noticing one thing about JJ…is it me or does he look doughier than usual?
Doughier > I thought he looked sort of peary myself, but decided he’d just bloused his shirt a bit too much.
I think J.J. actually lost some pounds
I have a question…are we still advocating trading Lopez? I am thinking he’s showing major improvement on the field plus he’s still hitting great.
I’d be willing to stick by JJ to see if he can get out of this. Where is Green???
The dancing Moose reminds me that PTI did a spot for the anniversary of the Moose running down Coco Crisp.
And, damn. Why, why, why is Raul still out there?
I saw that on PTI also….Wilbon seems to not like the Moose very much at all. I used to like Wilbon also…
Well, if Riggleman insists on using Willie as an OF, replacing Raul would have been a good thing.
Seattle Mariners 2008: If it’s not one thing, it’s the other.
J.J. sure likes to make games interesting, but he gets it done…M’s win
Love how Krueger points out that Delmon Young isn’t a very good OF, but what would he say Raul is?
Who does like the Moose besides small children? And not even all of them?
Wow, they just won a series. And scored off Joe Nathan. Considering they’ve been making mediocre pitchers look like Clements and Randy, that’s not too bad.
Still feel bad for Dickey, though.
I feel bad for Dickey, too, he should have more wins than Putz and not the other way round. It says a lot about the gap between expectations and this team’s performance, though, that Putz now has as many wins as three out of the five guys currently in the rotation.
Most small children don’t even like the moose, you are right about that…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJrK769j_nM&feature=related
I don’t know what freaks me out more about the Moose, those overly wide eyes, or the too tight white shorts.
83: you’re right, of course..