120 Responses to “Game 114, Twins at Mariners”

1. bakomariner on August 6th, 2008 4:19 pm

   Does anyone know much on Wells? What does he throw besides the Four-Seam and the Slider?

2. JR Ewing on August 6th, 2008 4:26 pm

   jeff Nye,

   recording an out is not required for getting a sacrifice hit.
   You could have any numbers of errors on the play or a Fielder’s Choice
   without recording an out and still get credited for a Sacrifice Hit.

3. juneau_fan on August 6th, 2008 4:33 pm

   Yuni, Yuni, Yuni….

4. bakomariner on August 6th, 2008 4:34 pm

   I hate Yuni…and he was one of my favorites two years ago…TAKE A FUCKING PITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5. JerBear on August 6th, 2008 4:34 pm

   Dave Sims says “tough spot” as often as George Clooney did in “O! Brother Where Art Thou”.

   Wonder what kind of pomade Sims uses… I’m thinking he’s neither a Fop nor a Dapper Dan man.

   I believe the expression in the movie was “tight spot”…

   “Damn! We’re in a tight spot!”

   But good call, nonetheless.

6. Jeff Nye on August 6th, 2008 4:44 pm

   Huh, really? That’s pretty counterintuitive, but okay.

   It seems to me that a sacrifice or fielder’s choice inherently involves someone ending up out, otherwise you may as well just call it an infield hit.

7. pgreyy on August 6th, 2008 4:57 pm

   When you’re right, you’re right JerBear…it WAS “tight spot”.

   Almost got loved up, though.

8. Evan on August 6th, 2008 5:04 pm

   The A’s-Jays game in Toronto right now might warrant your attention in a few innings. Marcum on the mound.

9. JerBear on August 6th, 2008 5:08 pm

   And turned into a horny toad…

10. killer_ewok18 on August 6th, 2008 5:56 pm

    Question: When will RRS be called up? I thought I heard that he would be taking Batista’s spot in the rotation, but MLB.com still has him listed as the starter for Saturday. Reason being, I have tickets Saturday and I really don’t want to watch Batista v Garza…

11. Steve T on August 6th, 2008 6:23 pm

    Where was it that had the pitches taken, pitches swung at data? It sure seems like Yuni has an historically low percentage of pitches taken. Although today he was almost level — 2 balls, 1 called strike, and 1 HBP versus 2 fouls and three balls in play (outs).

12. Ralph_Malph on August 6th, 2008 6:43 pm

    Huh, really? That’s pretty counterintuitive, but okay.

    It seems to me that a sacrifice or fielder’s choice inherently involves someone ending up out, otherwise you may as well just call it an infield hit.

    Say you’re up with a runner on 1st and nobody out. You lay down a bunt, obviously sacrificing, but the pitcher throws to 2nd not in time. You don’t get credit for a hit there, because you should have been out. It’s a sacrifice, safe on the fielder’s choice.

    Similarly, man on 3rd, no out, routine ground ball to short. Throw comes home, runner is safe, everybody is safe. It’s a fielder’s choice, RBI, no at bat, no hit.

    The confusion is that people routinely refer to a force out as a fielder’s choice, assuming that they’re synonymous. They’re not. A force out is not a fielder’s choice.

    It’s scorer’s discretion — if the scorer feels like they couldn’t have gotten the batter out at 1st, he can give the batter credit for an infield hit. But if the fielder could have made the out but just threw to the wrong base, there is no reason to give the batter credit for a hit. But nobody made an error. It’s a fielder’s choice — there’s no other way to score it.

13. scott19 on August 6th, 2008 7:49 pm

    I see Baek beat Pedro today at Shea Stadium, too. Sure glad we got rid of him.

14. Griffey IsMySurrogateDad on August 6th, 2008 8:24 pm

    Ralph_Malph nailed it.

15. Matt the Dragon on August 6th, 2008 8:29 pm

    Where was it that had the pitches taken, pitches swung at data? It sure seems like Yuni has an historically low percentage of pitches taken. Although today he was almost level — 2 balls, 1 called strike, and 1 HBP versus 2 fouls and three balls in play (outs).

    Fangraphs has that data: Percentage of balls outside or inside strike zone swung at, total swing percentage, contact made in and out of zone, etc.

    Yuni is the 10th most frequent swinger this season, Vlad is unsurprisingly #1.

16. EastCoastMsFan on August 6th, 2008 8:58 pm

    Ralph_Malph nailed it.

    Almost.

    Similarly, man on 3rd, no out, routine ground ball to short. Throw comes home, runner is safe, everybody is safe. It’s a fielder’s choice, RBI, no at bat, no hit.

    In this case, and I think all cases involving a fielders choice, it does count as an at-bat. Because it would have been an out at 1st if the fielder would have made the play on the batter, instead of choosing to make a play elsewhere.

17. Kazinski on August 6th, 2008 10:32 pm

    113:
    I see Baek beat Pedro today at Shea Stadium, too. Sure glad we got rid of him.

    I’m glad to see Baek doing well (surviving?), but it is the National League after all. Joel Pinero has similar numbers in that league, but I don’t want to see him back. I do miss Jamie though.

    One other thing to consider, it wasn’t a case of Baek or Batista/Silva, not with their contracts. It was Baek or Dickey. For once the M’s made the right decision.

18. scott19 on August 6th, 2008 10:39 pm

    It was Baek or Dickey. For once the M’s made the right decision.

    I agree there…Dickey’s certainly been one of the brighter spots on the team this season.

19. gwangung on August 7th, 2008 7:51 am

    One other thing to consider, it wasn’t a case of Baek or Batista/Silva, not with their contracts.

    Which, of course, is the entire problem…

20. TumwaterMike on August 7th, 2008 10:34 am

    I still think the Yankees need Washburn. If he can limit opposing teams to 4 or 5 runs for 6 innings, the Yankees have enough offense to compensate. What he needs to be able to do to be value for the Yankees is pitch innings. I think he can do that.

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