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Game 123, Mariners at Twins
Feierabend vs. Perkins, 11:10.
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So Riggs does the PC thing and says that Feierabend is fighting for a spot in the 2009 rotation. I really hope that’s true, but what are the chances, barring the new GM making trades? We still have Felix, Bedard, Silva, and Washburn under contract for next year. Then we have Dickey, RRS and Morrow. Not to mention their love of signing the “big name” FA starting pitcher in the off-season.
Unless the new GM is under a drastically different POV from the FO, which it probably won’t be, next year will just be more of the same.
may I just say, I love Slaughter Roy Corcoran.
If one of those pitchers, say Silva or Washburn, comes out and has a 6+ ERA in May next year, then there will be an opening in the rotation.
See Batista this year as an example.
I beg your pardon, but was Joshua Fields signed?!
Twins fan here again (sorry again, I’m a fan of both teams and like to know the way the M’s fanbase pulses).
I don’t know anything about Feierabend…has he been a long time coming, or is he just a warm body?
Also, I was the mascot for the Yakima Bears (low-A Diamondbacks) in 2004, and the Everett Aquasox absolutely dominated the league. I remember thinking the Mariners had a very bright future…what happened? Were they all traded, or is this renaissance possibly still coming?
4- As far as I know, he hasn’t been signed yet, but it’s okay, because since he can’t go back to school, we have until the week before the draft to sign him. Of course, we’d want him sign earlier and get him going, but we don’t need to worry about last week’s deadline like all players that can go back to school did.
5- Feierabend is okay. Has a chance to be a #4 or a #5 type guy.
not yet, but as he’s out of college eligibility he didn’t have to be signed by the Aug 15th deadline….
and (re Fields) if he doesn’t sign they’d get a pick for him…
Just like that — hey, we’re as far behind in this game as the Red Sox are in theirs!
boy, Ryan is not fooling any one today.
So wouldn’t it be better to get Woods going instead of Dickey, since Dickey is starting on Wednesday for The Chef?
Does Ryan F. qualify as a “warm body” yet?
on the glass half-full side, Larry Stone addresses the June draft
Hmf. Churchill was saying that his velocity was 2-3 mph better in the minors. True? And if so, what happened?
well, he looks mighty warm.
nice of Joh to actually get his pitcher a little rest.
14 – Before Liriano’s return this year, newspapers were reporting that his velocity was back to what it was before his Tommy John surgery, but it’s clear from his three starts back that it’s still down about 4-5 mph. Those close to the situation tell me that minor league radar guns are usually read in a different spot, which is more advantageous for velocity, and sometimes the guns are pumped up 2-3 mph to impress the live crowd.
“Also, I was the mascot for the Yakima Bears (low-A Diamondbacks) in 2004″
Cool!
“…and the Everett Aquasox absolutely dominated the league. I remember thinking the Mariners had a very bright future…what happened? Were they all traded, or is this renaissance possibly still coming?”
Oddly enough, after looking at the 2004 Aquasox, many of those guys are still in the system.
Bryan LaHair–just called up to the Mariners.
Matt Tuiasosopo, Yung Chen, Rob Johnson, Oswaldo Navarro, Joe Woerman–still at AAA, could get a callup and contribute, to varying degrees.
(Same with Mike Wilson at AA West Tennessee).
Mark Lowe–With the Mariners, but has struggled since his return from surgery.
Asdrubal Cabrera–Traded to Cleveland for a half season of Eduardo Perez. We’re all trying to forget that still.
I remember Casey Craig and I see he was on the 2004 Aquasox roster as well. How did he end up in the Mets’ system?
Feierabend has been VERY hittable at the major league level. I’m not sure why his 86mph BP fastball wasn’t smacked around in AAA this year, but you cannot expect to succeed up here with below-average stuff and no out pitch.
Spooky,
if you haven’t seen it already, check out Dave’s Future Forty (link also over on the left-hand side of the USSM page). It gives a quick summary of the top end of the M’s farm system.
I dunno why people complain about the broadcast teams.
Sims: “… and that’s seven ground ball outs”
Rizzs: “Ground ball outs, keeping the infielders busy”
from the “Glad to hear it” file, via Hickey:
“Sources with the Mariners and in the commissioner’s office both said that Bonser’s name never surfaced after the Twins put in a waiver claim on Washburn. Bonser is 3-6 with a 6.37 ERA in 42 appearances this season. In the words of one Mariners official, the club “would have jumped at it” if the offer had been made.”
17 – I split time as the Bears mascot with, oddly, another guy named Kelly – this was very confusing at first, as people who knew the other Kelly would come up and talk to us thinking we were the other. Eventually, people started to realize that I’m a full foot taller than that tiny guy, so they caught on. During all other games, I was the roving beerman. It was then that I got a chance to be friends with two MLB scouts (one Twins, one Giants) whom I still email and are the reason I get some (relative) inside information.
As an AL Central guy, I see Asdrubal Cabrera plenty. I was surprised to see him there, having remembered him from that Everett squad.
The other names you mentioned that I remember performing well in the 6-9 games I saw were Casey Craig, Rob Johnson and Bryan LeHair. It’s a small sample size, but I remember them delivering.
At one game against Everett, the Mariner mascot was flown in as a special attraction (it worked; the game had our biggest turnout). In between innings, we did a thing where the Mariner mascot and I teamed up to fight off the Everett mascot. It doesn’t make any sense to do it that way when you think about it, but the audience ate it up…most of the fansbase, funny enough, didn’t realize that the Bears have absolutely nothing to do with the Mariners, and didn’t realize (or did, but didn’t care, which is fine) that technically they should’ve been cheering the Aquasox if their true loyalty was to the pro club…
19 – I haven’t, thanks. Obviously the ones I remember the most are the Bears players, so I check the Diamondbacks prospect list now and then. But I’m interested in that.
Show the kid some mercy and get him out of there.
occasionally I wish I had one of the baseball packages that allow you to watch out of market games, like this one.
I worked for the Timber Rattlers (M’s low A) as an intern in 2006 and Casey Craig was one of the best hitters on the team. Granted the team wasn’t that good but he had good power and speed. But that was at low A which is pretty far from the major league level.
I remember Casey Craig and I see he was on the 2004 Aquasox roster as well. How did he end up in the Mets’ system?
Like this.. After the ‘07 season, the M’s
This was after Craig had posted an OPS of .865 as a 22 year old in high A, but only a .604 OPS in AA. Of course, the .604 was only 115 PAs, and we all know how eager the M’s are to declare someone a failure when they don’t immediately deliver after a promotion. But they may have been right, he’s had a mediocre .715 OPS back in A-ball for the Mets.
He was competing with a bunch of decent M’s OF prospects for a AA spot.
The 2008 M’s are the most untalented, uninteresting, unprofessional group of baseball players ever assembled in Seattle.
I know everyone is tired of hearing about “leadership”, and I know that 95 percent of this team’s problems are talent related. But on top of it all, these players are not good people. I don’t respect guys who mail it in day after day, nor can I respect coaches and a manager who continue to coddle these whiny, lazy, dispirited and aloof cast of nobodies.
I hate the 2008 Seattle Mariners!
I love how Riggleman looks both ways as he walks to the mound as if he expects a truck bearing down on him to put him out of his misery.
Yeah, this team REALLY sucks…
CRUSHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love how Riggleman looks both ways as he walks to the mound as if he expects a truck bearing down on him to put him out of his misery.
In fairness, a fielder did get hit by a car in The Naked Gun…on the jumbotron during a game in which the Mariners were involved. Maybe that explains his fears…?
Damn…
talk about throwing guys under the bus …
Pull Power Kenji joins the parade!
“But on top of it all, these players are not good people. I don’t respect guys who mail it in day after day, nor can I respect coaches and a manager who continue to coddle these whiny, lazy, dispirited and aloof cast of nobodies.”
Not good people? Really, man? Why would you say that? Are they going on public internet sites and trashing people they don’t even know?
There was also the Coco Crisp/Moose-on-the-4-wheeler incident…
Sooooo…who the hell SHOULD they keep from this crew?
Raul will test free-agency, and we really don’t want him back unless he is the permanent DH…I’m thinking only:
ICHIRO! (CF)
WLAF (RF)
Reed (4th OF/LF)
Beltre (3B)
Clement (C)
The rest I’d love to see go…
And way to make the game KINDA interesting with the bombs…
And the Mariner Moose (speaking of mascots) ran over Coco Crisp with a quadrunner a couple of years ago when Crisp was jogging out onto the field. Maybe Wriggles is just looking for the damned moose…
Doh, NoDo beat me to it…
That was back-to-back-to-back homers right? How does that not get mentioned by Blow-Simms?
FWIW, Asdrubal Cabrera is having a dreadful season — .224/.323./.327, 72 OPS+ — though of course he’s only 22.
Lopez didn’t hit a homer…
Well, actually I kinda would like Felix to hang around, and I wouldn’t mind some of the bullpen like Green to stay…
44- I was only talking position players…
And I REALLY wish Raul would NEVER play the outfield again…
Well alright.
I don’t know if there could be a less desirable matchup on “MLB Extra Innings” to watch than SF at Atlanta.
It never fails: the Twins announcers, as usual, are talking about how shocking the poor years of Silva and Batista are for the Mariners and how the Mariners were expected to be “one of the best pitching teams in the league.”
Also, Bert Blyleven just said “Jamie Washburn.” He does that a lot with rookies, but not usually guys who’ve been in the AL for a decade.
47 – it was a Tim Lincecum start, so it wasn’t a total loss.
The Giants better enjoy that arm while it lasts, I mean at that size he’s probably only got about one productive year left…
50 – totally. It’s great that he created a completely different, more violent delivery to become effective, but if the wheel had to be reinvented that much, it might be a telling sign.
For now, he’s fun as hell to watch.
Holy shit, has anyone ever seen the “Little Puma’s” cheering section in Houston?!? Wow.
They need to put Lopez back in the #2 spot…he hasn’t looked comfortable since the move…
Tim Lincecum. Why are the Mariners so clueless? Feierabend. Poor kid.
ICHIRO! (CF)
WLAF (RF)
Reed (4th OF/LF)
Beltre (3B)
Clement (C)
Ichiro will be here, but I can’t figure out the rest of this group. Why they don’t play Clement almost every day is beyond me (I almost choked Rigglebutt through the TV when he pinch hit Cairo for him yesterday), they just don’t seem to want to completely commit to him, Beltre has to be trade bait, Reed’s arm is embarrassing, even for a left fielder. and Wlaf has plate discipline to figure out. Lopez? he can hit, but enough to make up for such a lack of range? I can’t stand Yuni, worst baserunner/bunter I have ever seen at shortstop, but what else is there?
man, 09 is going to be brutal, but if the right people are placed in charge this winter, at least there might be a future.
He looked out to me there at second…
Lopez needs to go. WLAD will learn. Reed looks like he’s figured it out finally and is a cheap, left-handed 4th outfielder…
I’d say they should only trade Beltre if the offer blows them away or if he says he will 100% not re-sign…
BTW, what type of FA would Beltre be if he leaves? What sort of compensation package would we get?
Pretty subjective question for the lot of you:
I lived in Yakima for one year in a life otherwise lived in Minnesota; the guy I always talked baseball with was a diehard Mariners guy and said the rival teams for Seattle was a very clear 1-2 that went Angels-Athletics. Would you guys agree?
Wlad and Clement have stopped taking walks. They’re starting to become Mariners.
I think that the team that is the greater rival for the M’s is whichever one has been doing better for the last several seasons.
Don’t get too excited about the comeback…remember, Batista is pitching…
60- Was about to write the same thing…
Hell is about to start freezing…Yuni takes a walk…
58 – I think the Yankees will always be the #1 rival for me because they are always good and so evil. As for the teams in the AL West, I think it kind of depends on who the current hot team is, like the Angels for the last several years. It’s not like the Raiders or Broncos were to the Seahawks back in the day. That being said, boy do I hate the Los Angeles Angels who live in Anaheim.
60 and 62 – I figured that was the way. That’s similar to the way here, I guess, though the White Sox seem to be despised by everyone no matter how they’re doing.
63- Try being a Mariners fan and living in California…
All I ask Cairo, don’t hit into the DP.
Gotta fill AT LEAST two holes. I’m not a fan of trades that fill one hole only to create another…
Is that coaching again? I know this team, as a consistent philosophy, loves aggressive hitters. I’d hate it if they coached the patience out of hitters…
65 – At least Padres fans understand.
I doubt we’ll win this game, but I don’t know about “mailing it in every day” as comment 28 suggested…
At least they are battling…
Why can’t Raul run that fast in the outfield?
Can they get Feierabend out of this loss?
Tivo back to the Betancourt walk in the 8th. He seriously looks confused after ball four.
Will Beltre EVER learn to leave those pitches alone? FUCK!
“Why can’t Raul run that fast in the outfield?”
Because he doesn’t know which way he should go.
If all of you had to choose another team to get behind, like if the Mariners moved to Oklahoma or refuse to hire a competant FO, who would it be?
HR Mike Cameron, his 21st of the season. I believe that at least ties for the Mariners lead this year.
73 – Though I obviously am a Twins guy and I’ve already made it clear that the Mariners are the other team I follow, mine would be the Diamondbacks. This is also a clearly logical move, since I worked for them.
I really think this is very close to asking whether Raul will ever learn to get a good jump on the ball. Beltre isn’t choosing to misjudge what pitch to swing at; he’s fooled. He can’t tell. You’re asking him, basically, to learn to guess better at pitches that he can’t judge where they’re going quickly enough.
If all of you had to choose another team to get behind, like if the Mariners moved to Oklahoma or refuse to hire a competant FO, who would it be?
The Dodgers for me. My Dad grew up a Dodgers fan so I’m used to hering of guys like Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale, Maury Wills, and Roy Campanella.
Yay doubla for Balentien!!
come on Joh…let’s make this game interesting…
I really like the Rockies and could see myself following them, plus Colorado could be a cool place to live… However, I have considered moving back to Philadelphia which would be a really fun team to see play all the time.
Clement is improving as a hitter, really did a good job fighting off that pitch
Cody said, “If all of you had to choose another team to get behind, like if the Mariners moved to Oklahoma or refuse to hire a competant FO, who would it be?
The Dodgers for me. My Dad grew up a Dodgers fan so I’m used to hering of guys like Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale, Maury Wills, and Roy Campanella.”
My dad was from the northwest, but he too was a Dodgers fan growing up. My mom grew up in the Bronx and so was naturally a Yankees fan, but not a very serious one. I think that I’d have to go with my dad on this one and follow the Dodgers, especially since I just love Koufax’s awesomeness. The Red Sox have been my “backup” team for as long as I’ve followed baseball, but now that they have so many bandwagon fans I’m not sure I want to keep it up.
For anyone that’s interested and isn’t already watching, Cha Sueng Baek is pitching against the Phillies on Sunday night baseball.
How big was the bag of balls that we got in return for him? Anybody know?
78: “If all of you had to choose another team to get behind, like if the Mariners moved to Oklahoma or refuse to hire a competant FO, who would it be?”
Well, hopefully it’ll NEVER get to something so drastic, but…having been originally from a town about 100 miles north of Detroit, it’d have to be the Tigers for me. Sure, the “Motor City Kitties” might only win a pennant every 20 years or so, but it makes it that much sweeter when it DOES happen. (Not to mention that, with the exception of a few rowdy knuckleheads, most of the Tiger fans I’ve met out here seem to be happy to just enjoy a decent season every now and then out of their guys without thinking they’ve got some kind of freakin’ birthright on championships — unlike a lot of Yankee, and lately, Red Sox fans.)
Of course, if we were in the (not-so)”perfect” parallel universe of Fox/ESPN where EVERY team was contracted except for those in the four cities they actually like (New York, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles), I guesss I’d have to go with the Dodgers then, too, since: (a) they are still on the West Coast; and (b) they are NOT the Angels — who I could NEVER bring myself to rooting for.
But then again, if it ever got to the point that MLB (or any major sports league, for that matter) allowed itself to be dictated to to THAT degree by the flippin’ TV networks, I would most likely cease to be a fan of the sport at the professional level, anyway.