Wait, wait, what just happened?
I see as if in a fog. My head is… it’s swimming. I… I’m disoriented. I thought he had turned a corner. Didn’t he? I saw it, I became a believer. He’d made improvements… hadn’t he? He had this new pitch, and had made adjustments that stuck, he’d put it all together and turned a corner, the evidence was incontrovertible by any weight of evidence or argumentation.
And then the game… I’ve been staring at the box score hoping that my memory was false, that I’d seen something besides another terrifying meltdown by Washburn, the improved Washburn no less. But no, there it waited until I was ready to accept it.
Washburn (L, 5-13), 4.1 IP, 7 H, 8 R, 8 ER, 2 BB, 0 K, 2 HR.
Woe! Woe is me! Woe is all of fandom! Stolen from us is Washburn the valuable commodity, so precious the M’s were right to hold onto, and now he is gone, replaced by another one of the endless prancing talentless fools that come streaming out of the clown car of the rotation — how did this happen? He was so good since May! Since May!
And then, reaching out for some kind of sanity, I find out that he’s sucked in August. How did we not see this? Why weren’t we informed? Once we sliced the season into the first ten starts and the rest, were we all so blind that the last few were so worthless? Was his splitter so split, his new changeup grip so gripping that it entranced us even as we had crossed another boundary zone, the nebulous post-trade-deadline wasteland where no hope resides?
August: 0-4, 22 IP, 28 H, 22 R, 18 ER, 9 BB, 11 K, 4 HR. 104 batters faced.
That’s a 7.38 ERA! O cruel Fates! Why do you torture us so?
I am lashed, lashed from side to side by the gusting monthly vagaries of Washburn’s successes and failures, I twist in pain as he struggles and exalt in his success, and now — how long will this new, retroactively bad Washburn last? A month? And then what, another roll of the dice to see how he’ll perform for the next thirty days? What kind of sadistic god metes out such punishment?
Is this our penance for some unknown offense to the baseball deities, to watch this month-by-month horror unfold before us, each lash of the whip spaced by four games to nearly heal, powerless to change the outcome, forced to watch other teams pay less and get so, so much more? Is this cruel fleeting talent of Jarrod only intended to torment us more, to give us hope, and let us savor and nurture it long enough that when it is taken from us our hearts are rent anew, and the pain returns to us fresh?
What is it? What did we do?
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Exhibit 9,432,861: Results-based analysis is stupid and people who employ it should be ignored.
Methinks thou doth protest too much. Jarrod was signed prior to the 2006 season. We have had three years THREE YEARS! to become (Devil) Rays fans. Now it’s coming back to bite us.It is simply our lot as M’s fans.
Shakespearean gold, Derek.
Fantastic.
“now he is gone, replaced by another one of the endless prancing talentless fools that come streaming out of the clown car of the rotation–”
You know, that I’d pay money to see this season. A clown car, not that damn moose on an ATV gunning for opposing players. Whichever pitcher can get out of the car and on his feet first, gets to pitch.
damn, people, we’re getting too down on our team, it’s not as if our criticisms aren’t unfounded, actually they are really true, but we’re getting too worked up about it, this season sucks and washburn, silva and most of the others suck, but there’s no point in getting down on them that much
whoosh!
I think the real reason Baker has become so spiteful is that his writing is light years belows yours, Derek. Kudos to you! If this were Lookout Landing, this post would be worthy of a “rec.”
So, I was trying to decide for a second, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized… is it possible that this season is both a tragedy and a comedy?
Fucking perfect. Seriously.
That “whoosh!” was the sound of this post flying over Geoff Baker’s head.
Baker will get the post; I’m less confident about Mr. #5.
Also:
Geoff Baker:Jarrod Washburn::Peter King:Brett Farve?
I simply do not accept the premise that there is a dilemma to reconcile. I will not let displays of literary skill and lyrical prose distract my focus from essential Truths:
–Washburn is almost as good as Felix, except when he isn’t
–Every game he pitches is great, as long as you don’t count the ones that aren’t
–Even in games where he gives up a few scorching line drives and towering home runs, it really boils down to just one or two mistakes and/or big-league hitters making a lucky guesses on otherwise good pitches
There’s really nothing to worry about or be confused over. Just a little bad luck here and there and the occasional teammate letting him down. Even though he can (usually) control just how squarely his pitched balls will hit bats, he can’t control everything.
Beautiful. Although it honestly makes me sad that you had to write this. Thanks for fighting the good fight though and fuck you casual Seattle fan who has the gall to spawn your uninformed opinion in my gene pool. Reilly pretty much says it all in “Giving Seattle the Needle.”
Let’s not be down, DMZ. It is performance anxiety. He knows just how valued he is to other Major League Baseball teams as evidenced by the non trade by the Mariners, and – like a little boy that wants to make his father proud – he is simply nervous about letting the team down. He is still the same old splitter throwing coach calling masterpiece of a pitcher, and some team will surely want him over the off season for one or three of their young players that have never even hit in the major leagues. All of the greatest players in the history of baseball struggle when they are vying for approval, and Washburn is no different.
Praetore, bitter humor is what we have left to enjoy.
Having recently moved to Seattle, I don’t know why the disillusioned fans here don’t root for a real team instead of wax poetic about how they wish a team like this could be any good, and blah blah and how stupid Bavasi is.
Vote with your dollars. Don’t buy tickets from the box office (scalpers and third party only, if you even go), don’t watch the games on TV, and don’t buy merchandise.
They’ll get it sooner or later.
DrivelineKyle said, “Having recently moved to Seattle, I don’t know why the disillusioned fans here don’t root for a real team instead of wax poetic about how they wish a team like this could be any good…”
You don’t understand why we aren’t bandwagon fans?
It’s ok guys. the M’s were right to hold onto the bus. with all the young players coming up there needs to be a role model for them, that veteran presence, Someone who can teach them how to win, I mean someone who can bring the clubhouse together..err ah, ok I know, someone who can demonstrate the unique ability to throw his teammates under the bus with little or no repercussions. thats a skill you know.
I cannot believe this team is not only losing to the entire American League but to the Washington Nationals as well (in the draft sweepstakes, of course). Laugh at Washburn if you will but it could be he singlehandedly will end up being responsible for the Mariners losing the number one draft pick.
Meanwhile the Mariners are approaching mortal lock status to lose 100 games: To hold things to 99 losses, they need to play .447 ball for the final 38 games of the season. They’re currently curling up and dying at the rate of .371….
“replaced by another one of the endless prancing talentless fools that come streaming out of the clown car of the rotation”
This is why I come back to read this blog every single freaking day. Thanks Derek, that was great.
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Good call. Let’s just all forget the team we’ve rooted for for the last twenty years, or in some cases much longer, and jump ship to the Rays or Red Sox like every other douche-bag fair-weather fan…
builttocrash, referring to Washburn’s ability to throw his teammates under the bus, said, “that’s a skill you know.”
But is doing so without repercussions a *repeatable* skill? If he didn’t have such great defenders behind him in management and the FO, could he pull it off?
Not talking about The Bus, but [ot]
But…. it was just, “one bad inning!”
I can tell you had fun writing that. In a season as bad as this one, it’s nice to have a chuckle now and then. Nice going. I wonder what Baker will come back with now.
Is this our penance for some unknown offense to the baseball deities, to watch this month-by-month horror unfold before us, each lash of the whip spaced by four games to nearly heal, powerless to change the outcome, forced to watch other teams pay less and get so, so much more?
Yes. But the offense is hardly a mystery. We die nightly for the sins of the front office.
You know, that I’d pay money to see this season. A clown car, not that damn moose on an ATV gunning for opposing players. Whichever pitcher can get out of the car and on his feet first, gets to pitch.
Uh…. Silva? He’s the clown car equivalent of a car bomb. He’d come out wearing the car. And Felix might get hurt. (In fact, if they tried this in Spring Training we might have an explanation for Bedard’s injuries).
Anyway, we don’t want a car. This is the Mariners. We want a boat. And it would be only fitting, since the team has returned to late-70s / early-80s win totals. Let’s go back to the trident logo and start over…
Visiting a blog if you don’t want to see fans upset about their team sucking eggs might not be the best way to spend your time.
So how much salary would you eat to purge the organization of increasing degrees of lousiness?
I’ve been thinking lately about whether a new regime (yeah, I know, I don’t think that’s coming either) might just swallow a whole bunch of money next year (and 2010 and 2011) to buy out the horrible contracts on the books. For example, I can’t see us going into 2009 with Washburn and Batista. With Jarrod’s latest swoon, I imagine we’d have to eat at least part of next year’s salary and we’d certainly have to eat a big chunk of Batista’s contract. Those are the easy ones. Would they nontender Bedard?
But what about trying to dump Kenji’s contract, eating half to attract a trade partner? And then there’s the mother of all lousy deals, Carlos Silva’s three years and about $36 million. Would the Mariners just say uncle and pay to $30 million to another team to just get rid of him?
And then there are players like Beltre, who obviously has some trade value, and Betancourt, who has regressed.
I fear that the Mariners will decide that truly cleaning house is too risky and stay with the dismally failing status quo.
Baker just posted a new blog and, well, it isn’t very good at all.
I think this is my favorite part:
Yeah, because we only have a small sample of Washburn’s suck, Geoff. Last night was WAY off his career norms.
Give me a break. Improvement over what the Times had before or not, Geoff Baker is not very good.
Guys, guys, you’re all way off. Let’s lay the responsibility where it belongs. Clearly, this is Jeff Clement’s fault.
And… down goes his entry. I’m interested to see what changes get made, or if it just doesn’t go back up.
Readers digest version: Title was “Eating Humble Pie,” entry was filled with about 50 sarcastic remarks w/r/t Washburn not being good, the rest of the blogosphere is right, we’re using a small sample to persecute Wash, etc etc. Really, it was about 7th grade in maturity level.
I wonder if he yanked it himself, or if someone at the Times pulled it.
Wowsers Geoff embarrassed himself with his Washburn entry on his blog this morning.
My jaw dropped, I hope he takes it down.
My jaw dropped, I hope he takes it down.
It was down within a couple of minutes. By the time I finished reading the RSS feed and clicked over, I got a 404 error. Wasn’t up for very long, that’s for sure.
His new one is rather sanctimonious (he’s taking the high road and avoiding cheapening his blog through gratuitous back-and-forth). It’s also absurdly defensive (“Do I care if Washburn pitches well? I don’t pay his salary! Stop looking at me like that!”)
Funny I should wke up to this post. When I saw on SportsCenter that Washburn got shelled, the first thing that went through my head is that the guys at USSM are probably having a stroke right now.
It’s amazing how quickly we went from three major sports in town to just one.
I used to have some shred of hope in an offseason revival, but we’d need a 2007 Celtics-style haul just to be worth watching again. And what we’ll get, I fear, is a couple more over-the-hill pitchers and sluggers. It’s sad. They could have been a threat every year, and instead they’re back in Bad News Bears territory.
Yes, because if there’s one thing the Times blog has done, it’s take the high road, never condescending to those who disagree with it, never setting up opposing viewpoints as easily-mocked strawmen.
“Don’t post angry! Don’t post angry!” (Bill Murray Groundhog Day voice)
“I won’t cheapen this blog by resorting to a petty back and forth.”
If you can’t believe Geoff hisownself, then who can you believe? He is, after all, “in a position to know.”
1 – This makes you guys look a bit hypocritical, doesn’t it?
Geoff had an opportunity to make this thing really ugly. Luckily he came to his senses at the last minute. We just have to accept the fact that he’s a pretty sub-par analyst and as you say, ignore the crappy analysis. Hopefully he’ll learn and get better eventually.
Come on guys, dude is probably going to do 60,000 domestic miles this year blogging a horrendous team – that a pretty shi**y job. He embarrassed himself in the past two days, but there’s no sense in piling on. Play nice.
I don’t understand how Baker writing what by accounts was a embarrassing post and then pulled it make us hypocritical, especially when the remaining post still manages to make some pretty ugly implications about those on “the other side”
I’ll stop there.
No one is making him do the job. No one is making him engage the way he has with the public. He reads the retorts, and then fires back with one of his own.
He now claims he is “taking the high road.” You can’t claim something like that when you spend a bunch of time writing something and then having it published. Regardless of if he took it down or not, his words were read. They were immature and ignorant. He gets what he deserves in response.
Moving past the disappointment and into humor is the only way I can stomach this season. Thanks, Derek, for supplying a large portion of that.
Also, last night’s game thread was one of the funniest I’ve ever read.
Maybe Baker is finally realizing that on any possible subject, USSM and LL can out-wit, out-write, and out-analyze him (not to mention out-play and out-last). It’s not as much taking the high road as it is admitting defeat in a backhanded way.
Also, does anyone know of a way to access Baker’s blog post from this morning? I checked at 9:30 but I guess it had already been taken down.
So, your pen’s bigger than Baker’s pen. BFD. I’d like to know how this one guy can so effectively troll and take over this otherwise worthy blog without even logging on?
Baker can’t admit when he’s wrong. His faults as an analyst are trivial in comparison to that flaw. I don’t know if it’s pride or what. It wouldn’t be that hard to say, “You know what? Those bloggers were right about the quality of this team, and they nailed most of the reasons, too. Kudos to them, and I guess I’ve learned something.” The thing that the always-right types never understand is, not only do you learn things by allowing yourself to be wrong, you look better. People admire an opinionator who can admit a mistake. They take him more seriously after that.
Baker just keeps getting louder and more obnoxious, hoping his rhetoric will mask the weakness in his arguments, proceeding from the same opinions in the same direction as though to admit a mistake would mean ultimate humiliation. As though it would be awful to admit that there’s more to the discourse than the Guy Who Knows telling the rest of us What’s What.
Even when he blanches at his own rhetoric, the best he can do is withdraw from the argument and pretend he’s taking the high road. But there’s more to the high road than ceasing silly attacks and unearned condescension. Baker needs to listen, with more in mind than refutation. Otherwise he’s going to be stuck in the last generation of sportswriters who have nothing to learn, just another dinosaur. Which would be a sad path for a guy who ought to be capable of better.
Please let us know what other topics you consider unworthy so that we may avoid them in the future.
Geoff Baker is no Mike Sando. Too bad Sando doesn’t follow the Mariners.
Btw, Clement has 2 BB’s in his last 30 games. When he first showed up this year, he had 7 in his first 15.
Starting to become a Mariner. At least his K’s are down and he’s squaring the ball up much better.
More on him, or on coaching?
Last night I had a dream that DMZ had posted Washburn somehow had been traded yesterday. It seemed so real that I thought perhaps it was something I read before going to bed.
Then I wake up, only to find out Washburn is still sucking for the M’s. This brings me to a whole new level of disappointment when I believed in my mind that Washburn was actually, finally, gone.
scraps said, “Baker can’t admit when he’s wrong. His faults as an analyst are trivial in comparison to that flaw.”
I think that you’ve hit the nail on the head. I know exactly where Baker is coming from when he does this because if I ran a blog the temptation for me to do exactly the same thing would be nearly overwhelming. The thing is, a little “mea culpa” really is liberating. It allows you to let go of the past.
I know that we’ve had a thousand discussions about why his writing has degraded, but this would seriously explain it: When he arrived here, he didn’t have to defend and live up to his past failed predictions. At this point he has a long list of them. Trying to maintain his own image and defend himself on all of them is, quite naturally, making him quite snarky.
Maybe the day that Baker recognizes and admits that he can’t evaluate pitching will be the day that he gets his composure back.
Wow, a full-on blog post retraction.
Seriously, is it part of the job description of a MLB beat writer to get into a pissing match with other writers writing about his team- even if they aren’t pros?
Here’s the thing: Baker’s supposedly a trained professional being PAID to write. DMZ, Dave, the authors at Lookout Landing, commenters over at the Times? Not so much.
Now, granted, professional detachment is maybe going out of fashion, but still… geez.
Just one quibble with your post, DMZ. Do you honestly believe that Silva, as one of the “prancing talentless fools,” could fit in a clown car?
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“Deserves got nothin’ to do with it.” The Unforgiven
I’ve been wanting to use that for years.
This is about being big enough to cut some slack – even when you are being needled. That kind of social high ground is what I’ve seen this site aspire to for a lot of years. Whether it is achievable or not isn’t the point, it’s that USSM is doing this the right way. Numbers guys are still outsiders, and we’re not getting inside by ping-ponging rhetoric.
Relax.
Seriously: Has Baker EVER won a debate with USSM or LL over a pitching prediction or recommendation? I’ll even grant him winning on results, which is stupid, but whatever. (If I tell you that there are ten guys within ten feet of the heavyweight champion of the world and it’s true, I don’t deserve any kind of credit). Has he ever won on one of these?
He thought we should trade for Dontrelle Willis. He thought that Carlos Silva was good. He thought that Washburn had turned a corner. He thought that Bedard was better than Felix. Why doesn’t he stop?
#56, pygmalion — Don’t forget Al Reyes.
USSMariner does well on stats and analysis based on stats. They should concentrate on that.
If other sources really misuse stats, then Derek and Dave have the perfect right to point that out, cause that’s their specialty.
Baker gives more praise to Washburn and Silva than he does Felix. Felix has an “attitude” and therefore that knocks off points for Felix in Bakers scoring book.
Just yesterday in his “Happy Jarrod Day” post:
“By comparison, over the same period of his last 14 starts, Felix Hernandez has thrown exactly the same number of innings as Washburn (88), while compiling an ERA of 2.86 with 10 quality starts.
The difference? Hernandez has thrown one more quality start and allowed four fewer earned runs than Washburn over the exact same number of innings going on three months. And yet, one ballplayer is lionized and the other, villified. Interesting, to say the least.”
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Ridiculous to even put the two in the same sentence.
I didn’t read his blog last year, but my jaw dropped when I read a week or so ago he suggested that the M’s should have traded Clement for Dotel last year, or Balentien for Reyes. Is this guy serious? I hope someone ripped him apart for that last year.
He still can write a decent post or two, but when he gets in these back and forth matches, he just looks silly and unprofessional. I couldn’t believe what I read this morning in that post before he took it down.
Tek Jansen said, “Don’t forget Al Reyes.”
I’ve been trying to.
Seriously, is it part of the job description of a MLB beat writer to get into a pissing match with other writers writing about his team- even if they aren’t pros?
Actually, at least for purposes of publication, most reporters will studiously ignore the efforts of other writers who cover the team, the idea being that you don’t advertise for the competition. How much have you seen Baker mention Hickey, or vice versa?
It’s partly because they’re being pushed into blogging, and the accompanying culture of linking and dialogue (including with “non-professionals”), that you can have points of friction. Some of what they’re being asked to do runs counter to the way they’ve been trained, and most of the people they deal with aren’t bound to the conventions of journalism reporters are used to.
See, he thinks that because he starts with an opinion and then cherry-picks facts to support his opinion and dismisses facts that don’t support his opinion, that’s what everyone else does. Now, the facts he’s cherry-picking are lousy facts, and that’s been explained to him in terms any open-minded intelligent person can understand; but he prefers to imply, as the sentence quoted above clearly does, that his opponents are hypocrites. It’s pretty shabby, and he does this all the time — implying or outright saying that his opponents hold to their opinions out of prejudice for and against players (never mind that an attentive reader can see opinions on this site change about players based on their performance) — when it appears that he himself holds his opinions out of prejudice, based on whether he personally likes players or not.
When the Can’t Be Wrong types start flailing, they see their own flaws in all their opponents.
The two sides-the media (Baker) and the Ms saber-centered blogoshpere-are going to butt heads quite a bit given the assumptions that inform their analysis. Baker is a big proponent of chemistry and “leadership” (i.e. intangibles) and the other side comes at the issue from a quantitative stance that argues that metrics effectively inform 99% of player valuation and what’s more, overvaluing intangibles is one of the bigger mistakes that can be made when determining player worth.
I think it’s pretty clear why the divide has appeared between Geoff and the Ms-related “saber sites” as it’s virtually impossible for such fundamental philosophical differences to be bridged given that these differences have and will continue to lead to profoundly different conclusions. Both sides are dedicated. Both sides are passionate. Both sides add a great deal to baseball discussion. But concerning issues of player valuation etc, both sides can’t be right.
Thanks DMZ this is the best laugh I’ve had in ages.
w/r/t scraps’ argument: this is one of the things I find most infuriating. If you argue that Ichiro is good, you’re an “Ichiro defender” and if you argue that Betancourt’s bad, you’re after Betancourt. This is then used to dismiss the argument as invalid or not worth consideration. I haaaaaaaaaaaate that.
Hey, 2+2 is 4. That doesn’t mean I have an irrational love of even numbers, or hate prime numbers.
The first thing I thought of when I saw the score halfway through the game (I’ve been watching the Little League World Series) was, “Geez, Washburn must have really been p.o.’d that the Mariners didn’t trade him…”
You have to wonder how much that has affected his performance — a guy (who isn’t Manny Ramirez) just isn’t going to come right out and say he doesn’t want to be with a certain team and wants out, ANYWHERE, but didn’t we suspect the same mental processes were working on Randy Johnson’s performance for the Mariners back in ‘98?
Trade Betancourt! (sorry, just a reflex)
Karen,
The Randy quitting on the M’s thing has been debunked here and elsewhere, I think.
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I’m with you there. the most annoying thing with this format of communication is these assumptions.
I’ve never met JMB, but if we learn tomorrow that he’s say… 14 years old, bloggers and message board participants have a way of using something like that against any of his points or arguments they might disagree with. **irrespective of the point or argument!!**
grrr,
oh, and good post. fun to read.
edit: I’m not saying anything about anybody’s age here. just a fictional situation that I’ve seen too many times.
I stopped reading Baker and his blog some time ago. I don’t get anything out of it, other than frustration. Any blog that allows some of the horrific name-calling that goes on there isn’t worth anything. When a female poster tried to make an arguement, a couple other posters proceeded to type all kinds of awful things about her. Until Geoff gets a moderator (we have several!!) and attends one or two SABR conventions I’m out.
Oh, thanks for the laugh, Derek. Great stuff.
galaxieboi: Unfortunately, from what I can tell, the Times has no interest in providing moderators for their blogs. I don’t think that there is anything that Geoff can do. He certainly doesn’t have enough time to do it himself.
Love the clown car metaphor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKfPr_rfA7A&feature=related
More seriously, we must remember that what we are looking at is evidence of probability, not certainty. Washburn is perfectly capable of getting an out, a 1-2-3 inning, indeed pitching a good game. The question is, how likely? And is it worth it to pay him what the M’s are paying him at this point in his career to get that likelihood. Yesterday’s game wasn’t “proof” one way or the other, but it was evidence. And the evidence was against Geoff’s theorem. All he had to do was be man enough to admit that.
I think most everyone here can agree that Baker does a great job of reporting on the team (which is, after all, his primary duty), but his analysis — which he mostly confines to his blog — leaves a lot to be desired.
That said, I think that on this issue, he’s got the basic idea right — that this team was stupid to not get rid of Washburn when they had the chance. He seems to have a bizarre desire to post a viewpoint that contradicts whatever is said here, and he makes a lot of huge mistakes while trying to support his point, but I think it’s more important to focus on the big issue — Washburn needs to go — rather than on the details — Washburn is or is not a good pitcher.
Of course player evaluation is important, and it’s infuriating that Baker justifies the team’s ongoing talent evaluation flaws, but I just think that there’s a risk that these kinds of arguments can needlessly exacerbate the differences between Geoff and people here. This is not to say that you don’t appreciate his strengths — you clearly do — but that it’s possible to ruin a potentially good relationship by focusing on the negatives too frequently.
[DMZ] Yes, because if there’s one thing the Times blog has done, it’s take the high road, never condescending to those who disagree with it, never setting up opposing viewpoints as easily-mocked strawmen.
The one thing which USSM has done over the past several years is this and thats why this is a great place to be – it has always taken the high road, never condescending to those who disagree with it, never setting up opposing viewpoints as easily-mocked strawmen.
For what it’s worth, Baker just posted another entry on his blog explaining the post he retracted earlier.
It may not be a full-blown “mea culpa” like some people are looking for, but I found it pretty thoughtful of him to say that he didn’t like the way his first post came off.
Anyhow, y’all should check it out.
Dear Mr. Baker:
Please reconsider the question of whether RRS and Feierabend are likely to be as good (or as bad) as Washburn. Recall that they don’t have to be better than the Bus to be valid replacements for him, due to the difference in salaries they would only have to come close to matching his replacement level abilities.
You can do this, it isn’t hard. Go to a web site like baseball-reference.com and look at all the stats they publish on each pitcher. It’s free, and it is actually kind of fun. Look past ERA in a career year 4 years ago (if you manage that part, you will already be way ahead of Bill B or Lee P) and look at the other stats they have that are predictors of pitching ability.
Then consider what each of the above named pitchers will be paid next season, and the impact that has on the M’s budget.
I believe you will end up concluding that Washburn just isn’t very good, and projects to be about a #5 starter on most teams.
Yours,
A Times Reader
Don’t be stupid. You’ll make yourself an irresistable target, mocking-wise….
galaxieboi: Unfortunately, from what I can tell, the Times has no interest in providing moderators for their blogs. I don’t think that there is anything that Geoff can do. He certainly doesn’t have enough time to do it himself.
I’m not entirely blaming Mr. Baker for the behavior of his readers either. Not even a little bit. It’s simply a part of what makes his blog unreadable.
Fun stuff here from Baker’s most recent update:
“I happen to know the Mariners executive branch can’t stand this blog (meaning what I write here) because they feel it’s too negative.”
hmmm, 46-78.
A writer would be hard pressed to find positive stuff to write about every day covering such a team.
Pink ponies and interviews with gritty veterans only go so far.
How about this:
$100 million and 100 losses! You can do it!
too negative?
So, do any of you know who John C. Dvorak is? He writes articles that describe some kind of bizarro-world version of technology. His formula is simple: take the conventional wisdom, argue the exact opposite of it, and profit from a handful of people lionizing him for speaking the truth, and 10x as many of them ripping him for being an idiot. He collects ad revenue whether you like him or you hate him. It’s the same with Howard Stern: antagonize enough people that you keep your numbers up. Sounds like Baker’s shtick to me. He’s a troll.
I don’t read Baker. I have enough trolls to deal with in my line of work. But if you ignore them for long enough, they go away. Even when they work in the media.
Delusional AND…um…inteligence challenged?
You’d think that good corporate execs would be honest enough to realize that the team’s performance this year would naturally reap the sort of things they’re getting from Baker (let alone the blogs).
Ah. Wait. I realize my mistake…
80- Agreed. What is there about this team that’s positive to write about? I guess I’ll go with the stuff we’re leading the league in-
1. Most highly overpaid piles of crap.
2. Highest Payroll-to-win total in baseball
3. Most nights batting the equivalent of a pitcher clean-up.
4. The LVFO award (least valuable front office).
5. The MST award (most stupid trade- Bedard for Sherill/Jones/Aumont/Tillman/Butler/Mickolo, it still makes me wonder)
6. 2nd MSFAS award(Most stupid free agent signing award- Carlos Silva, 4 yrs; 48 million. Barry Zito takes the cake here.)
7. And, last but not least, doing a great job of showing everyone what a poorly run team with no clue on how to win looks.
So, do those of you who come here and complain about posts responding to Baker do the same on his blog?
i.e. Do you go there and say “you know, these posts responding to USS Mariner are a HUGE WASTE OF MY PRECIOUS TIME, you should write about something I find interesting instead!”
(incase you can’t tell, I’m getting a little tired of people trying to dictate what the authors here should write about)
Last night at both the Zumsteg and Baker households:
http://xkcd.com/386/
but, that’s the magic of clown cars!
if we learned that, well, Mrs. Barker and the Little Barkerettes would be most surprised.
very likely true.
(aside to smb, following up on my comment #66 and his/hers in #68:
Now, I didn’t come right out and say that Randy quit on the Mariners! I’ve been re-educated about that aspect of Randy’s performance. But I do think that his mental processes were all messed up in that first 4 months, thanks to the stress of his dealings with the FO and with some of the other stuff going on with him. And IMO it MAY have had something to do with his inconsistent performance.)
Well, vj, I don’t know if it’s because he’s reading the comments here, but Baker has now blogged the cartoon. I’ve seen it a few times before myself, but xkcd never fails to amuse.
[DMZ said]: Hey, 2+2 is 4. That doesn’t mean I have an irrational love of even numbers, or hate prime numbers.
See, I thought you loved prime numbers as evidenced by you quoting the number two, not just once but twice!
This is a quote from Baker in the revised blog entry:
[blockquote]I don’t know what’s scarier, believing Carlos Silva — that some of these guys aren’t trying their best to win.
Or to believe the opposite is true. That this team really is giving 100 percent maximum effort every night. [/blockquote]
This is what is known as a straw man argument. There is a lot of space between “there are guys tanking it” and “maximum effort every night.” Anyone who understands baseball (and that includes Baker, despite the quote) knows that no one puts forth maximum effort every night in a 162-game season. That’s simply impossible. Guys who try it are guys like Butch Hobson or Chris Snelling who get injured all the time.
I haven’t been on this board for a least a month or more. Haven’t really followed the M’s much either – even though we have half season tickets at Field Level on the First Base Line. Have realized this season is a disaster in almost every way. The Mariners are simply the punching bag for the entire American League. The “results” speak volumes about this Club. Needless to say, we WILL NOT be buying a half season of mostly LOSING GAME TICKETS NEXT SEASON. In fact, I will simply have to think hard if we even want a 16 Game Package next year – given how shitty this team has become.