Game 140, Yankees at Mariners
DMZ · September 5, 2008 at 6:10 pm · Filed Under Mariners
Pettitte v Morrow.
I didn’t get down to Tacoma to catch any of Morrow’s starts, but I’m not sure that it matters: he only made five starts, twenty three innings. How stretched out can he be, really? The adjustments he’s going to have to make are as much in approach and particularly pacing as anything else. No matter how well he did in Tacoma, the temptation to resort to throwing gas and giving up on his other pitches when he’s in a jam could throw the whole thing off.
And apologies to the 5 people who saw this go up a day early at the scheduled *time*.
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Morrow? Cool. The Yankees played on the east coast last night, right? What time did they get in to Seattle? They must be tired.
Guess I’ll head out to a bar (though I’m guessing more than a few of them will be showing football).
Don’t hurry out joser… game is tomorrow night.
Wait, isn’t this tomorrow night’s game?
*checks*
Yeah, it is… so why the early game thread? We playing the Time Warp again?
Craaaaaaaaaap, this isn’t supposed to go up today, this is a placeholder post.
Heh, gotta love it when the server decides to screw with you, huh?
Happy Brandon Day! Let’s hope this goes well. This is the first game I’ve been happily anticipating in a long while.
Ah, the future really is now. I’m excited to see Brandon’s pitch f/x data after this start.
Very much looking forward to the Morrow start, but I admit 93% of my excitement is wrapped up dreaming that Morrow shuts out the Yankees, or that the Yankees lose 13-12, or 27-26. It doesn’t matter…just as long as the Yankees lose.
Tonight’s story problem:
The Yankees’ hitters take a lot of pitches. If you combine their patience with Morrow’s pitch count, how many innings does Brandon Morrow pitch?
Oh crap, now I’m seeing the game today I went out to see yesterday (and saw football instead).
I’m so confused
I think my original comment still holds, though: the yankees played the Rays last night on the east coast and then flew out here. I guess they’re getting just a taste of the M’s usual roadshow blues.
Baker links to the Chuckster’s KJR interview.
Just in case you weren’t depressed enough.
I’m excited for this one.
Beltre better being DHing. He’s so hot right now.
If we are DHing Hulett or some BS I give up.
No question.. no question… do it, do it…
Blowers sounds like he’s on meth today, it’s weird.
2005 Yuni.
Pitch F/x for Morrow’s first inning:
95, fastball
96, fastball
98, fastball
83, curveball
97, fastball
97, fastball
98, fastball
97, fastball
85, changeup
87, splitter
Morror either has no idea how to pace himself or he’s not going to lose any velocity as a starting pitcher.
Line up, I think.
RF Ichiro!
SS Yuni
LF Raul
DH Beltre
2B Lopez
RF Balentien
3B Tui
C Johjima
1B Cairo
That went well – threw strikes, didn’t overthrow and had reasonable command
Is Joh calling for those fastballs or is Morrow shaking him off? Either way, I’ve long since had enough of the ‘establish the fastball’ crap.
im excited to see if tui is a solid major leaguer…. i hope he does well.. went to school with him at woodinville
I didn’t notice Morrow shaking off the catcher. Is it Morrow’s decision on what pitch to throw?
Awesome curve
sometimes. it depends what signed in
fucking joh. you dont swing at a 3-0 when your hitting .209
ugh johjima sucks. he’s become the worst catcher of the 4.
Johjima swinging on a 3-0 pitch?
What?
Wow, I can’t believe Joh just grounded out to the left side there on a 3-0 pitch…we’ve never seen that before…
w/r/t the Aflac Trivia Question: why ask me how many of the leaders I can name? How is the answer you’re going to give me possibly be right?
If I say “four” are they really going to say “no, you know five”?
Wow, Tui had himself a pretty good season in Tacoma. Good for him.
It looks to me like Brandon is saying that the bottom half of the lineup cannot hit his fastball.
He seems to be right (one time through the order)
Brandon – you don’t need to throw so hard against a Molina
Just tuned in. How well has Morrow been mixing his pitches so far?
“How many can you name Derek?”
“Four”
“How many, Derek?”
Four! Four! What else can I say? Four!”
“How many can you name Derek?”
Five! Five! Five!”
“No, Derek, that is no use. You are lying. You still believe there are four.”
32 pitches thru 3 innings. At least he’s being efficient. Dave, is he still throwing mostly fastballs? I wonder if they’re going mostly fastball early, while he’s strong, and then moving to more and more off speed stuff as the game moves along.
hahahaha. once again, damon throws like a little girl.
Third inning was 10 fastballs, one curve, and two sliders.
Beltre striking out on an offspeed pitch low and away?
after 3 innings, morrow’s averaging 96.4 mph on his fastball.
22 FB, 3 curve, 5 slider, 1 change, 1 split.
Third inning was 10 fastballs, one curve, and two sliders.
Thanks, Dave. I suppose as long as the Yankees can’t hit it, than they’ll keep that same mix. Innings 4-6 will tell though.
Here come the breaking balls. Good stuff, Brandon.
Sims: “This is Morrow’s first start as a starter.”
Thanks Dave.
Morrow’s breaking stuff looks good this inning.
Hmmm…what’s the standard fastball percentage for a guy who’s best pitch is his fastball (if that’s what his best pitch is, it’s been a long day and I can’t remember)?
I think Dave Sims was trying to make a difference between Morrows first start (as a starter) and Tuisasopopo’s first start ever. He mentioned it was both of their first starts and then seemed to get tripped up over the difference
Brandon’s stuff looks really good. That first slider in the last innings was awesome. He just needs to throw his off speed stuff for strikes a bit more.
4th inning: 4 fb, 3 change, 2 curve, 5 slider
Morrow is pumped and out to prove the doubters unworthy…
The kids are there to help him get a win…
The vets need to man up!
Tui!!!!
Tuiasosopo with a double for his first Major Leauge hit. Congrats to him…It has been a long time coming for this moment.
oh, c’mon.
there are a lot of little girls who throw harder than Damon.
Derek Jeter, gold glove shortstop.
Tom.. who are the doubters?
I caught that too Chris, the weird thing was that it sounded like he caught himself while he was saying it, then he repeated it again.
Anyways, this is one of the best M’s games I’ve seen in a long time (other than days that Felix pitches of course). Let’s just Morrow can keep growing the rest of this month and we will have another young strong arm in the rotation next year.
TUIIIII
Worst ss in 08 Yuni or Jeter?
Chris B
In my mind the doubters are all of the people who still bitch about not drafting Tim L. Hopefully Morrow will continue to progress and we won’t have to hear that stupid argument anymore.
Certainly not me or apparently you.
Mariners manager Jim Riggleman said pre-game that he’d be happy if Morrow can get into the fifth or sixth inning, given how many pitches these Yankees tend to make pitchers throw
Yuni. Jeter is at least decent at the plate.
Most pitchers throw about 60-70% fastballs, if I recall correctly.
Comparitively – Pettitte throws his straight fastball 51% of the time, cutter 28%, curveball 11%, changeup 7%, slider 3%.
Those stats are from BillJamesOnline.com.
Well, the Yankees announcers (I’m on mlb.com) seem to think that Yuni is an excellent defender.
The Mariners should capitalize on this wide misconception immediately. I’m not holding my breath.
Nice to see that Derek “Past A Diving” Jeter is in regular form tonight…
Here is Morrow’s 2008 comparison:
Fastball 466 76%
Changeup 10 2%
Slider 86 14%
Split Finger 50 8%
Not Charted 1 0%
Ok, question. If certain situation about the Yankees line score that I won’t mention for obvious reasons continues, how much pressure will there be to keep Morrow in?
The temptation to push him might be too much to resist.
Depends on pitch count – but I almost guarantee if it was a choice between ending a certain situation and arm damage, they’d end the situation.
Pitch count is still in the low 50s. Mind you, I expect it to end soon, but this is kind of exciting.
And to think I turned the game on on a whim.
Yeah– the rotation is going to look real good next year.
As long as you don’t look at Washburn or Silva or Batista…
Well, hopefully the only one that you’ll see in the rotation next year would be Silva. It’s been said before but Hernandez, (a healthy) Bedard, Morrow, RRS, and Silva would at least be fun to watch 80% of the time.
OK, that’s 5 innings now.
If he has one more good inning, I wonder where this would rank in the history of M’s pitchers debut starts.
would they like him? We could send him there, provided they would send something “of value” back.
I’ve been interested to see that recently there have actually been some articles questioning how much longer Jeter can play short in NY
hm… 5th inning:
7 off-speed pitches: 2 for strikes.
8 fastballs (average=94.875): 3 fouls, 2 balls, 2 called strikes, 1 pop up
I think this is the last inning regardless.
Nothing better then tuning in and seeing the M’s up 0-3 over the Skankees.
Too bad they didn’t let Brandon work into the rotation last season. The M’s might have saved themselves $48M.
While this is only 5 innings worth of starting (so far), I’m greatly encouraged.
Ham – look at the line score.
This Morrow kid doesn’t look so bad. I hope upper management is watching — seems like he could develop into a nice 8th inning setup guy.
More seriously, this is the first game in a long time I’ve been excited to watch. Great to see him do well… and against those Bronx guys no less…
God, that cracked me up something fierce. Thanks for that JerBear, I needed that today…
I was about to put this on as I’m recording it on the trusty DVR. Glad to see the space is not being wasted
zzyzx,
It’s right there in the top two. I was there at Ken Cloude’s ML debut. Very similar.
You havn’t heard ‘Pasta Diving Jeter’? You’ve been missing out.
He’s got to be pulled, right?
Heh, Cloude is someone I haven’t thought about in a while.
i know pitchers are supersticious…but i cant wait till the eighth to begin the countdown…….are they gonna give him the chance to finish???
Hoooooooooooooly fuck
This is insane.
50%: screw it, what else have we had to really get this riled up about this year? Put in defensive replacements and let’s do this thing.
50%: nah, nah, you’ve got to pull him
They had better pull him…
He’s almost to his pitch count.. Better yank him now.
wow.
77 pitches, 6 innings. Has he worked hard in any inning? It’s not so much the pitch count itself, but the amount of work at one time too.
Watched that Jeter AB before I started the recorded portion… damn, that was IMPRESSIVE, and that crowd is as amped as we’ve seen it in months now.
… and now I looked at the box score. I agree with Derek: holy FUCK!
Seriously. I actually have butterflies watching him pitch. Skipping over the computer when the Mariners are up and dashing back when Brandon takes the mound again.
This is awesome!
so what’s the over/under on the number of pitches the M’s take the rest of the way?
OK, back out. I want to see it, but at the same time it’ll become harder and harder to pull him as the game goes on.
What’s the pitch limit for him?? 80?
Are you guys being sarcastic about pulling him, or…
Yeah, regardless of the outcome, this game is going on my short list of good things that happened this season. Along with AB’s cycle and Felix’s grand salami, of course.
Wel, m goodness. I just finally sat down to concentrate on the game, and it’s a big one. Wow. Morrow looks amazing.
dude.they really dont need his arm a cpl days down the road…and def. not into october (HAHAHAHAHAH)…. i bet riggy will let him go until he is done
DMZ said: “Hoooooooooooooly fuck”
My thoughts exactly, except this time I’m not thinking this after watching Yuni throw another ball into the 5th row behind 1st base, or some random batter flailing away at home plate.
This is actually fun.
p.s. we got a espn no hitter update
Sims is jinxin’ him left and right. Silly Dave Sims.
opposite – it’s seriously a rough question, have a chance to set history vs risking injury to someone who’s being rather impressive.
too many fastballs
does dave sims know anything about baseball broadcasting etiquette during “special circumstances?” what the hell???
have we heard what the pitch count was supposed to be?
If this bastard breaks up the no-no I’ll be pissed.
well managment said there is no cap on his pitch count
MORROW!!!!
Go Brandon go!
I’m so glad I remembered to turn this on.
7 strikeouts. Jesus. I would love to see some competition for who is the #1 starter next year. Don’t hurt me, Brandon. I don’t know if I’m ready to have hope, yet.
that was fun
Fuck it!!! Let him go!!!
OK, I’m leaning towards keeping him in now that he got through the heart of the order.
There is no pitch count in this situation.
Riggleman would get lynched!
I do believe that our 2008 Opening Day pitcher will be, at best, our #3 in 2009. Possibly could slip even to #4.
HOLY FUCK BALLS COME ON MORROW
I’m crying at this point. Sure – he could have thrown more strikes but this is beyond my wildest dream.
He certainly doesn’t look like he’s tiring.
One start isn’t going to ruin his arm. It’s also not as if he’s on pace for 130 pitches or something.
I just came here after seeing ESPN.COM and I have to say my initial reaction was shock that the site is still up
Of course you let him go…
I agree…
LET HIM PITCH.
He can skip his next start if he needs to rest the arm.
No hitting this line-up in a debut is too awesome to pass up
morrow has been owning arod and giambi tonight.
I heard he didn’t have an official pitch count. Riggs said they were going to just play it by ear… unless that changed.
It looked like Ichiro beat Morrow as the first one into the dugout after the 7th. With a standing O in the background and all.
I haven’t cheered this much for the M’s all year (I couldn’t go nuts about Felix’s homerun because I was at work).
This is absolutely awesome!
77 pitches through 7…..he’s starting the eight inning for sure…
We’ll see after that…
Plus he was still throwing 97 last inning. I don’t think he’s tired.
Dave Sims believes (as does Dave Niehaus) that as they are not part of the team sitting on the bench, they aren’t obliged to follow the superstition– that as they are in the business of reporting the game, they should tell you what is happening on the field.
Giambi’s hit worried me a bit.
You know, I’m really disappointed that, even throughout this entire season of shitty performances and possibilities, we’re still seeing the mariners truck Brandon morrow out in the 8th instead of sending him down to… wait, what? ohhhh
My word! I check GameDay to see if Ichiro! got a hit and then double-take on the Yankees’ line score!
I can’t bear watching!
I’m so fucking nervous for this kid I can hardly contain myself.
First pitch strikes FTW!!
Where was THAT?
Honestly I would hate to be Riggleman about now. He’s gonna be at about 100 pitches going into the ninth
Where was that pitch!?
This is the most excited I have been for the M’s since 2001. Its ridiculous.
For all the bad, I hope Bavasi is watching and enjoying this.
Fontaine good choice. This is fun.
Poor Riggleman…seriously.
baker reports a pitch count of 90-95
Yuni and Jose you better catch the groundball if its hit your way!
Ring him up!
*faints
*Whew* I did not think he had a bead on that.
Yuni and Jose you better catch the groundball if it’s hit your way!
oh jesus that scared me
Ahhh!!! I hope ESPN picks it up in the 9th so I can actually watch.
I’m dying here.
WLAD!!! You son of a bitch! That was scary to watch. Nice play overall though, lol
WLAD!!!!!
Oh man, I can’t take much more of this!
Nice Balentien
Oh Wlad you crazy guy. Nice Catch.
Thank you Wlad!!! Looks like he might be getting tired now, but I think they need to let him go for it. He could theoretically only need a half dozen pitches to get 4 more outs…
Ichiro stinks.
Damn damn.
OK, pull him now.
Congrats, Morrow. That was awesome.
isn’t that always the way …
Great job Brandon!!!
I was kind of hoping the yankees would get a hit, just so that they could get him out of there before his arm fell off. There are more CG shout-outs and no hitters in his future.
sonofabitch
Damn it, damn it, damn it.
Well, that was the most fun I’ve had watching the M’s in a long time. Just fantastic!!
Also:
BRANDON FUCKING MORROW!!
Tim McLelland likes to mess with Niehaus’ mind.
Dang. I guess that’s their payback for the Broussard homer against Wang last year….
Bite your tongue! Hoping the Yankees got a hit?
I was hoping for a quick 8th.
What a great start for the kid.
It would really make me happy looking forward to next season if it weren’t for the fact that Chuck Armstrong says we’re going to have the next few years rebuilding. He a pro, so who am I to question it?
What a shame.
That was Awesome (Brandon’s overall performance)!!
At least it wasn’t a cheapy like CC’s.
I’m so glad we now have Brandon Day! to go with Felix Day! It’s like there’s hope, now, or something.
I like how Ichiro made a hopeless leap for it just because he wanted it so badly for Brandon, as well
Congratulations, Brandon! That was so much fun to watch! Definitely the most exciting thing to happen in…I don’t know…years?
If he pitches anywhere near this good the rest of the season and next spring then I think we have our #2 or #3 starter figured out.
F you, Wilson Betemit. But man was that fun to watch. The crowd is totally in the game. We were all on our feet for every two-strike pitch. Morrow just looked incredible.
I haven’t had this much fun at a game all year.
looks like Norm is coming in to pitch the 9th
And why wasn’t he a starter before now
Because his command was erratic when he first came up and our bullpen needed some help back then.
Don’t you dare blow this, JJ
No, because our front office decided to spend a upper half first round pick on pitcher who they decided would be a setup guy.
They are saying Beltre’s in to play 3rd even though he may have hurt himself on the slide to end the 8th.
I think Beltre would play if he broke his leg. He’s like the anti-Bedard.
No, because our front office decided to spend a upper half first round pick on pitcher who they decided would be a setup guy.
Oh how did you come with that conclusion? His command was erratic and he was mainly a 2 pitch guy stop bashing the FO if you don’t have facts to back up your statement.
JJ has got nothing.
I didn’t know tonight was turn back the clock Yuni night.
Thanks, Alex.
Giambi would refute that, Enazario
Nice catch Beltre! I really wanted Morrow to get the W with that game.
BALLGAME !! WooHooo!
what a Mariners performance. That’s the team that I remember.
That was a fun game to watch. Why is it always a no-name utility guy who breaks up the no-no
stop bashing the FO if you don’t have facts to back up your statement.
The fact is he should’ve been in the minors this whole time working being a starter, not playing 8th inning setup guy for a s***** team. It was a stupid move having in pitch in relief for almost 2 seasons. It points to the obvious: the M’s are too concerned with roles.
He’s an immense talent who’ll be much, much more valuable as a starter than a reliever. Imagine if he’s been ’stretching out’ the last two seasons? If he’d been able to work on additional pitches for teams not blindly chasing the playoff pipe dream?
you mean the pitcher who was scheduled to go to AA as a starter after his first spring training, until he pitched so well that Hargrove kept lobbying in the press to have him in the bullpen?
And this was coming from the mouths of people saying that we should use Morrow as closer so we could trade J.J.
Who said that?
until he pitched so well that Hargrove kept lobbying in the press to have him in the bullpen?
Yes, that pitcher. The same one Bavasi should’ve told Hargrove was going spend a little while in the minors starting. That’s my complaint, and it obviously doesn’t end with BB. The [Mariners'] inability to see beyond this season most of the time is maddening.
I think it was mentioned a handful of times in the comments, never by you guys.
I believe the Red Sox and Twins won tonight. Tomorrow, I eagerly anticipate, will show the Yank’s playoff odds to near nil.
The first time this year, am happy for FSN replay at 11 pm.
Was enjoying the game too much to hit record.
Um. Do we see Armstrong’s hand here as well?
Pretty much.
Absolutely brilliant! Congrats Brandon!
Way to put words in people’s mouths, slurve. What a few people said was that if the organization insisted on keeping him in the bullpen — which certainly seemed to be the case both last year and this, despite all their claims prior to each season — the best (highest-value use) we could hope for would be to turn him into a closer and trade JJ. That was making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, not wishing to be handed porcine pinnas.