Wheel of Griffey stories continues

DMZ · February 14, 2009 at 1:14 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Crasnick, on ESPN

That Ken Griffey Jr.-to-Seattle reunion isn’t a foregone conclusion just yet.

Two baseball sources told ESPN.com on Saturday that the Atlanta Braves are making a late play for Griffey and have begun discussing money with his agent.

Pfffffffffft. Unless Griffey doesn’t show up in Seattle for his physical Monday or Tuesday, I’m not going to put any stock in this. I don’t know if it’s chatter, or if his agent wants to put some doubt into the situation to try and extract another million out of the M’s at the last moment, or what.

But really, if they call the M’s back and say “Hey, you heard the Braves are interested, right? And spring training works out better for him… but if we go to $5m, he’d prefer to be in Seattle.” The Mariners should say “Hold on, we’ve got Anderson on line two…” and then hang up.

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87 Responses to “Wheel of Griffey stories continues”

  1. MedicineHat on February 14th, 2009 1:25 pm

    The Braves, being in the NL, would have to be crazy enough to throw him out in the field for 120+ games a year.

    insane

  2. Dugan on February 14th, 2009 1:35 pm

    Looks like an agent trying to squeeze a few more shekels from the M’s. Here’s hoping it is true and the Braves get stuck with him.

  3. Matthew Carruth on February 14th, 2009 1:39 pm

    The Mariners should say “Hold on, we’ve got Anderson on line two…” and then hang up.

    Just as long as they don’t actually talk with Anderson.

  4. scott19 on February 14th, 2009 1:47 pm

    Hey, “Wheel Of Griffey” sounds like a great name for a hot new game show! :)

    Unless, of course, you also had a Garret Anderson slot on that wheel. Then you’d have to call it “Wheel Of Washouts”!

  5. Noonan on February 14th, 2009 3:41 pm

    Just curious why you don’t put any stock in this? Griffey has made decisions in the past based on proximity to home. He’s not going to win a world series in either place. Seems like the choice is being close to his family vs. nostalgia. I would assume the money would be close to the same.

  6. xxtinynickxx on February 14th, 2009 3:41 pm

    If the Braves sign Griffey for more then 5mil everyone in that organization needs to be fired ASAP!

  7. hub on February 14th, 2009 4:00 pm

    Braves GM Frank Wren has confirmed it. Didn’t expect Atlanta to be seriously interested in Junior for an everyday OF gig. If thats the case, even this die-hard Junior-Lover says, “Thanks anyway, Junior. Good luck in Atlanta.”

  8. Typical Idiot Fan on February 14th, 2009 4:32 pm

    The Mariners should say “Hold on, we’ve got Anderson on line two…” and then hang up.

    Just for the record, I LOATHE people who do this to me. It’s even worse when someone puts me on hold with no intention of getting back to me.

  9. Marinerfan4life on February 14th, 2009 4:40 pm

    The Braves are desperate to contend with their “glory days” behind them. The Phillies and Mets are the big dogs in the N.L. East and Atlanta just looks like a shell of it’s former self. Griffey would be just plain stupid to pass up the chance to come back to Seattle and play a position(DH) where he won’t further risk injuring/embarrassing himself. If he cares more about money than his roots, then let him go to the Braves and have a horrible year.

  10. thr33niL on February 14th, 2009 4:45 pm

    Heres a quote from David Obrien on his Braves Blog…

    Atlanta is his first choice. He really wants to play for the Braves. Has a daughter on an Atlanta AAU team and a son who’s playing high school football this year in Orlando, and Griffey doesn’t want to be on the other side of the country at Seattle. Plus, he’s always wanted to play for Bobby Cox.

    If I had to bet, I’d say this gets done early next week.

  11. Marinerfan4life on February 14th, 2009 4:50 pm

    The Braves are stupid trying to sign Griffey. No way he’s going to make it through a whole season without the DH position to save his knees.

  12. mnick on February 14th, 2009 4:57 pm

    After all the disappointment G Anderson has dealt the Mariners over the years, it would be nice to see him in a Mariner’s uniform. Griffey can’t measure up to Seattle fan’s expectations, at this late stage of his career.

  13. msb on February 14th, 2009 5:13 pm

    FWIW, Paul White was on KIRO this aft. saying much the same thing, and Drayer speculated in her blog this morning.

    after all the pro & con hysteria (not to mention the ones who raced out and bought 16 game plans) it would be entertaining if he did got to Atlanta ….

  14. lailaihei on February 14th, 2009 5:17 pm

    Griffey would make sense for Atlanta if he had average defense, so maybe Atlanta is one of those clubs that horribly undervalues defense.

  15. terry on February 14th, 2009 5:25 pm

    Maybe Atlanta will help Z out of a sticky spot… It still wouldn’t make up for HoRam though….

  16. bseblfevr on February 14th, 2009 5:27 pm

    The stars are now aligned …towards Atlanta.
    If Griffey chooses Atlanta, adios! No more kissing up to him, as he turned his back twice on Seattle.
    It opens the door for Anderson or even Jim Edmonds in LF…or even a trade for Swisher since Atlanta would be out of the running for him.

  17. gwangung on February 14th, 2009 5:46 pm

    If Griffey chooses Atlanta, adios! No more kissing up to him, as he turned his back twice on Seattle.

    Um, try not to take it personally. I mean, if another team wants to offer more money and have him play in the field, why SHOULDN’T he consider that????

  18. msb on February 14th, 2009 5:52 pm

    especially as it is closer to home + Forida ST, all of which, as we know, is important to him.

  19. bseblfevr on February 14th, 2009 5:54 pm

    nothing personal, but I would rather see Edmonds in LF… he give 100%, is a good defender, and hit 20 dingers last year in 340 ABs

  20. GTownHoyas on February 14th, 2009 6:03 pm

    I bet you guys are going to feel stupid if he signs with Atlanta.

  21. hub on February 14th, 2009 6:13 pm

    I bet you guys are going to feel stupid if he signs with Atlanta.

    Explain.

  22. Jeff Nye on February 14th, 2009 6:14 pm

    Or better yet, don’t.

  23. Mike Snow on February 14th, 2009 6:16 pm

    After all the disappointment G Anderson has dealt the Mariners over the years, it would be nice to see him in a Mariner’s uniform.

    Why, so he can deal them even more disappointment?

  24. spliffbowl on February 14th, 2009 6:26 pm

    nothing personal, but I would rather see Edmonds in LF… he give 100%, is a good defender, and hit 20 dingers last year in 340 ABs

    Actually Edmonds was a dreadful defender last year, a -24.5 uzr/150. And was also slightly below avg in 2007 at -2 uzr/150. Granted that was in CF, and would have to be better in the field than Jr. but I wouldn’t expect him to be great in LF next year. But he is an interesting alternative to Griffey and Garrett.

  25. WhitherStanJavier on February 14th, 2009 6:32 pm

    I’d still rather see the excellent defensive outfield of Chavez/Gutierrez/Ichiro and Clement/Balentien platoon at DH.

    Does anyone remember that awesome catch Chavez made in Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS? We’ve never had a LF who could do that. I can only think of (young) Junior, Cameron and maybe Ichiro and Buhner out of all the outfielders we’ve ever had who could make that catch.

    Please let Atlanta sign Junior, and let Anderson, Edmonds or any of the old guys go somewhere else.

    Swisher, of course, would be fine. But I think this site has well documented how hard that would be to make happen.

  26. TomTuttle on February 14th, 2009 6:45 pm

    Geez, this is seriously a depressing day. . .

  27. Marinerfan4life on February 14th, 2009 6:59 pm

    I am not impressed with Swisher, he had a horrible year last year. If the Griffey thing falls through, then let the kids play, I’m sure Hallman will be up by September. I would rather have defense in left field than mediocre offense with no defense.

  28. Marinerfan4life on February 14th, 2009 7:01 pm

    If Chavez could learn how to hit more doubles and triples, then life would be good for sure. He is a defensive beast, I totally remember that catch he made in game 7 of the NLCS. The outfield of Chavez-Gutierrez-Ichiro is really going to help the pitching this year.

  29. Typical Idiot Fan on February 14th, 2009 7:02 pm

    Maybe Atlanta will help Z out of a sticky spot… It still wouldn’t make up for HoRam though….

    What a TWEEEEEEEST!

  30. qwerty on February 14th, 2009 7:04 pm

    Any chance that Nick Johnson becomes an option?
    I was thinking Edmonds, but spliffbowl explained me out of it.

  31. WestSeattle on February 14th, 2009 7:07 pm

    I’m a big Griffey fan, but I’m a HUGE Mariner fan. If Griffey has reservations about coming back and he’s going to start a bidding war between the Braves and M’s, I say Z should let Griff go. I want Griffey to retire a Mariner, but not under these circumstances.

    Good luck Kid!

  32. WestSeattle on February 14th, 2009 7:11 pm

    Don’t everyone bash me on this. But if Griffey indeed signs with the Braves, is Hermida still a bad option for us? I mean, as long as the Marlins don’t ask for Moore.

  33. eponymous coward on February 14th, 2009 7:15 pm

    Geez, this is seriously a depressing day. . .

    Why? Griffey is not a signing that is going to make or break this team. Basically, if you can get him for cheap, great, but if Atlanta wants to get in a bidding war for for a guy who is basically of no value playing the field, you let him walk.

  34. nickwest1976 on February 14th, 2009 8:02 pm

    If Griffey goes to Atlanta, would love to see the M’s trade for BOTH Swisher and Nick Johnson.

    Johnson plays 1B, Branyan moves to DH and Swisher to LF. Swisher and Johnson would add a ton of OBP to the lineup.

    Washburn + 5 mil for Johnson so the salaries even out…not sure what the Yankees would want for Swisher.

    It’s a pipe dream to get both I know but one can dream…

    Or just get Nick Johnson who shouldn’t cost that much…and move Branyan to DH.

  35. Marinerfan4life on February 14th, 2009 8:18 pm

    Well the Nats are stockpiling worthless talent so why not send Washburn their way and some prospect we don’t need for Johnson. I would love to see Johnson and Branyan both switch off between DH/1B duties. That would be a boost to the offense. Heck I’m not very convinced on Swisher, but if Z can pull a move for him, our offense would go from weaksauce to respectable.

  36. DaveValleDrinkNight on February 14th, 2009 8:28 pm

    Reading the article about this in the Times I couldn’t help but laugh at Lincoln’s comments.

    In reference to JR he referred to his own nixing of the Washburn trade.

    Instead of admitting that had he let the trade go through we would have a much better player coming in than JR/Anderson/Edmonds, he blamed his own awful decision on the Economic Downturn?!?

    This does not bode well.

  37. Mike Snow on February 14th, 2009 8:36 pm

    It was Armstrong that nixed the Washburn deal, not Lincoln.

  38. Breadbaker on February 14th, 2009 8:53 pm

    Have I entered Bizarro USSM for some reason? If Griffey comes, we’re looking for a DH, not a LF. He wasn’t going to play the field, at least not in my world.

  39. Breadbaker on February 14th, 2009 8:57 pm

    Sorry, if Griffey doesn’t come . . .

  40. DMZ on February 14th, 2009 9:05 pm

    Bizarro USSM. What does that look like?

  41. TomG on February 14th, 2009 9:07 pm

    Damn, now who are the Mariners going to get 40+ HR from?

  42. TomG on February 14th, 2009 9:08 pm

    Bizarro USSM. What does that look like?

    Dave expounding the virtues of productive outs and infield grittiness?

  43. Slippery Elmer on February 14th, 2009 9:16 pm

    Damn, now who are the Mariners going to get 40+ HR from?

    The remainder of the team… ;-)

  44. Mike Snow on February 14th, 2009 9:19 pm

    In a passage from Out of Left Field, Art Thiel talks about Goldberg being a totally green agent (excuse me, adviser) representing advising Griffey before the draft. The Mariners Argyros Cheapskates are pushing Griffey to accept the bonus they want to give him or they might go with Mike Harkey. Goldberg tells Griffey he’s passing up maybe $40,000, but Griffey decides he wants to go #1 and says, “I’ll make up for that later.”

    With Seattle fans, Griffey has already made up for the manner in which he left, at least based on the reception of his 2007 visit. Now it’s the front office’s turn to find out what Griffey wants to make up for.

  45. BoiseMoose on February 14th, 2009 9:55 pm

    Bizarro USSM. What does that look like?

    Like this one only you have a goatee

  46. Marinerfan4life on February 14th, 2009 10:21 pm

    Baker is saying there is no way the Braves are offering 5 mil to Griffey. I doubt they are, it would be a waste of money like when Bavasi signed(insert veteran bust since 2004)to a ridiculous amount of money. Baker also noted that Z is holding fast and isn’t going to give into the demands of the fan to bring back Griffey. I agree with that logic.

  47. diderot on February 14th, 2009 10:29 pm

    Geez, this is seriously a depressing day. . .

    Respectfully disagree. If the Atlanta signing goes through, this is the single best news item of the off season.
    If you take Griffey’s career trajectory, and his projections from any source for the coming season, and take into account that he’s 39 years old…but that player isn’t named Griffey–the posters here would be up in arms, complaining about a return to the stupidity of the Bavasi days, etc. And they’d be absolutely right.

    This potential signing was never about baseball…it’s about the misty water color memories of people who grew up watching Griffey…and choose to ignore the classless manner in which he left town.

    If Griffey chooses Atlanta, adios! No more kissing up to him

    Oh, come on, why would we want to stop now?

  48. certaindoom on February 14th, 2009 10:43 pm

    I am sick to death of Griffey or any other player for that matter jerking Seattle’s chain.

    He did this once you might recall.

    Junior, you and your bullcrap can enjoy Atlanta.
    I am angry that anyone here wants to deprive prospects like Clement of at bats just so an aging petulant star can jerk us around again.

  49. msb on February 14th, 2009 10:45 pm

    the story floating out of Braves camp is that Jr has been campaigning all week to get Atlanta into the mix … which adds an interesting layer to the ‘it’s all rumors’ remarks out of Pebble Beach. Wonder how much of the courting of Seattle was Goldberg.

  50. Mister on February 14th, 2009 11:03 pm

    Damn, now who are the Mariners going to get 40+ HR from?

    Edmonds not only dinged 20 in only 340 ABs last year, he dinged 12 of them in 150 ABs after escaping Petco. His decline in STL can be traced in large part to concussion issues, and he went off meds last year in Chicago.

    ’08 2nd half 925 OPS vs Jr’s 807.

  51. Ninja Jordan on February 14th, 2009 11:22 pm

    wow, i thought this website was pretty certain griffey was coming here

    guess you guys were wrong

  52. msb on February 14th, 2009 11:32 pm

    feel better?

  53. TomTuttle on February 15th, 2009 12:00 am

    feel better?

    Mmmmmmmm, not yet.

    If we can’t have a winning team this year, I’d like to at least see Griffey play his last game in a Mariners uniform.

    And plus, the Cougs blew it against Oregon State today and all my other favorite teams suck right now. . .

    So no, I’m not feelin’ better.

    Not even watching “My Oh My!” would make me feel better.

  54. wabbles on February 15th, 2009 12:35 am

    I got concerned about this as well when I heard it on the radio driving to my Woodland Park Zoo volunteer day. Then I remembered DOH! the National League DOESN’T HAVE THE DESIGNATED HITTER! One reason Charlie Finley proposed the position was that pitchers don’t practice hitting regularly so they suck at it. Another was to extend the careers of sluggers who no longer could play the field. That’s Griffey, as much as I hate to say it. So, although the geography works, the rules just don’t. Griffey is retiring a Mariner.

  55. bratman on February 15th, 2009 1:19 am

    Word from Geoff Baker is that the Braves can only offer Junior 2.5 million dollars AT most … and that although he wants to play more for ATL the Braves’ scouts don’t think Junior will hold up in LF.

    I think Lincoln and the M’s come in with a 5 MM offer.

  56. Breadbaker on February 15th, 2009 1:43 am

    The money quote from Baker:

    It takes a stomach of steel to do that with a rabid fan base bleating for action. I wouldn’t want to be part of a game like that too often.

    Geoff, that’s why you’re a newspaper reporter and Zduriencik is a general manager. People who are paid to negotiate for a living relish the opportunity to play a little hardball. Well, people not named Bill Bavasi.

  57. Carson on February 15th, 2009 1:44 am

    wow, i thought this website was pretty certain griffey was coming here

    guess you guys were wrong

    You do realize that the authors of this BLOG don’t claim to be insiders right?

    So, no, they aren’t wrong. The ten thousand media outlets and “sources” claiming it was all but a done deal are the ones at risk of being wrong.

  58. terry on February 15th, 2009 4:55 am

    wow, i thought this website was pretty certain griffey was coming here

    guess you guys were wrong

    It would not be a huge issue if Jr went to Atlanta. He could probably help the Ms in a strict platoon against righties as a DH. He also would probably be unhappy in that role and I have a hard time seeing it working out. Truthfully he is the Ms backup plan to their backup plan and the Ms are basically just a place for him to play another year if he can’t find anybody else to sign him. That’s not a marriage made in heaven and being left at the alter in that situation isn’t a tearjerker.

    But now I am actually sad. Considering that punctuation is vital to conveying meaning to sentences, you’ve apparently stumbled upon the secret of time travel (already calling scoreboard?) but likely don’t possess the wherewithal to share these secrets with the rest of humanity.

  59. Tek Jansen on February 15th, 2009 7:05 am

    The only thing bad about Griffey going to Atlanta is that it will not end the “Bring Griffey Back” columns and articles. Oh well.

  60. Paul B on February 15th, 2009 7:14 am

    An aging player who had his last good season in 2005? Griffey is just the sort of player that Bavasi would have signed to a big multi year deal, and then become surprised when said player never hit like it was 2005.

  61. PositivePaul on February 15th, 2009 7:32 am

    Bizarro USSM. What does that look like?

    Hmmm. Evil Rick Rizzs turns into St. Ricco???

  62. msb on February 15th, 2009 8:29 am

    hey! they finally talked Larry Stone into a blog page of his own!

    “The thing is, though, the Mariners had genuine ambivalence all winter about whether or not to bring back Griffey. And now it appears Griffey has genuine ambivalence about whether he wants to come back to Seattle.”

  63. joser on February 15th, 2009 8:55 am

    People who are paid to negotiate for a living relish the opportunity to play a little hardball. Well, people not named Bill Bavasi.

    I think Bavasi likely also relished the opportunity.
    He just was consistently bad at it.

    I think the guys who play for the Washington Generals relish the opportunity to go out and play in front of a huge crowd every night. Even though they know the Globetrotters are going to spank them hard. The only difference with Bavasi was he didn’t know how outclassed he was going to be.

  64. joser on February 15th, 2009 9:20 am

    Damn, now who are the Mariners going to get 40+ HR from?

    Well, they weren’t going to get that from Griffey either, unless you were anticipating that total across a multi-year contract. If you’re worried about the offense (and of course there’s always reason to worry about the offense) you should be worried about scoring more runs than the other guys, not obsessing over just one way to accomplish that, much less getting a large chunk of it from just one player (especially one player who doesn’t prevent any runs). There was a very real chance that an ’09 Griffey would miss time to injury, and if he’s all you have where’s your offense then? Add to that the likely decline in power numbers across the league over the next few years due to increasing scrutiny of PEDs, and those fans raised in the 90s to think the long ball is their birthright are either going to have to learn to appreciate the sort of baseball their elders enjoyed, or endure perpetual disappointment. Or agitate to have the fences moved in.

    I for one look forward to low-scoring “small ball” games full of defensive gems where every precious, hard-earned run counts so much more.

  65. droppedrod on February 15th, 2009 10:04 am

    This is a(nother) vote for “Griffey or the Team As-Is.”

    A necessary starting point for such a discussion is a clear understanding of one’s underlying expectations for the 2009 team. I view it as a transition year (notice the avoidance of “rebuilding”). Statistically, we can predict that this team should be substantially better than last year, particularly on defense. We can’t, however, forget that the franchise was the founder of the 100-100 club last year; this is not a franchise with a recent history of success. One of the crucial tasks for 2009 is for the young guys, who are not used to winning games, to figure out that they can compete against anyone in the league. If that’s all they do this year, I would be happy; 2010 and 2011 look pretty bright.

    No one player–either free agent or trade–is going to fundamentally change my expecations for the season. Sure, Swisher or Johnson might translate to a couple more wins and help turn this club into a winner sooner. They come at a price though: future talent.

    Performance projections aside, Griffey makes a certain amount of sense: he fills a noted need on the roster, would appease certain segments of the fan base and media, would give more meaning to his (hopefully) wearing an M’s hat in the Hall, and would serve as a media lightning rod to take some of the pressure off the new manager and young team. Besides being LH bats, Anderson and Edmonds really don’t bring any of the above intangibles to the table.

    In many ways, the Griffey situation has now become a win-win proposition for Z. If he signs him, he’s done nothing more than what many fans, including fans in the media, want. If Atlanta signs him, it can be attributed it to Griffey wanting to be close to home and Z gets back to the business of building a long-term winning franchise around the players now on the roster.

    Whatever happens with Griffey, I hope Z otherwise sticks to his plan, including no Anderson, no Swisher, and no Johnson.

  66. DMZ on February 15th, 2009 10:10 am

    What if his plan includes Swisher or Johnson?

  67. droppedrod on February 15th, 2009 10:17 am

    If it does, it does. I’m not convinced either is a good long-term answer. Johnson is injury-prone and frankly, I’ve just never liked Swisher. I also don’t want to see us contribute to reloading the Yankees farm system.

  68. SeasonTix on February 15th, 2009 11:40 am

    The weird thing is, I did NOT want the M’s to bring Griffey back because he’s an old player who won’t help the team develop.

    But when it became obvious that he was coming back I began to accept it and kinda look forward to it.

    Now that he may not be coming back, on one hand I’m happy that we won’t have to watch him flounder as an M, but on the other hand I feel kinda bummed because I was actually starting to look forward to seeing him in an M’s uni again.

    Strange …

  69. Typical Idiot Fan on February 15th, 2009 12:25 pm

    If it does, it does. I’m not convinced either is a good long-term answer.

    Johnson wouldn’t have to be a long term answer since he’s a free agent after 2009 and Swisher, assuming he returns to form, would be a long term solution because he’s good and plays a position (or positions) that still needs to be filled.

  70. GTownHoyas on February 15th, 2009 12:29 pm

    Explain

    I would guess they’d feel stupid because of such quotes:

    (On the idea of Griffey to Atlanta)- “Pfffffffffft”

    (On Griffey coming to Seattle)- “We know it, you know it, Griffey knows it. There’s no need to post every rumor escalation in every thread.”

    (Again of Griffey coming to Seattle)- “look, he’s coming. He’ll take the physical Monday, if he passes, they’ll have a press conference Tuesday or Wednesday. Maybe he takes the physical Tuesday. Nothing’s changed.”

    Sounds like stuff that is pretty hard to go back on…

  71. eponymous coward on February 15th, 2009 12:37 pm

    One of the crucial tasks for 2009 is for the young guys, who are not used to winning games, to figure out that they can compete against anyone in the league.

    Yes and no. Sure, you want to figure out things about your young players- but this can often be done in the minors (minor league performance is highly correlated with major league performance, once you make the correct adjustments), and I am convinced that some of this team’s problems stem from overaggressive promotion of prospects in the Bavasi era (the Royals are famous for this, too).

    I don’t think you should let “let’s see what the kids can do” from improving your team in the here and now, if it’s a reasonable option and it doesn’t cause problems (like, say a bad Carl Everett/Jose Vidro type player blocking a Choo or Doyle).

    If that’s all they do this year, I would be happy; 2010 and 2011 look pretty bright.

    Really? The 2010 team has to resign Adrian Beltre, or let him walk without a really clear replacement (Tui isn’t really that guy, I think). Mike Carp is a decent talent at 1B, but he’s probably Lyle Overbay or Erik Hinske. The farm system doesn’t have a clear answer at SS if Yuni’s a continued disaster at SS, past Cedeno. Wlad is nothing close to a lock in LF; ditto Clement at C (I am fairly skeptical that a C with knee damage is a long term solution at a position that eats knees).

    There are high points in the system, true, but 2010 isn’t going to be a cakewalk for Zdurencik- he’ll possibly have to replace LF, 1B/DH, 3B, SS and C, sort through some pitching, Felix will get more expensive.

    Sure, Swisher or Johnson might translate to a couple more wins and help turn this club into a winner sooner. They come at a price though: future talent.

    Talent is talent, whether it’s now or in the future. In Swisher’s case, he’s signed to a nice deal that means you could easily trade talent and have it be a deal that works for both sides. (I don’t have a bias against the guy, so a deal where we trade comparable talent sounds fine to me). Johnson’s a more difficult case (since his contract expires after 2009), but that also means that he shouldn’t require as much talent to acquire.

  72. eponymous coward on February 15th, 2009 12:45 pm

    So they’ll be wrong, GTownHoyas. And trolls will wave it in their faces, just like how Ibanez was considerably better than DMZ and Dave projected as a Mariner, how Doyle’s career would turn out, or any other number of things they have been wrong on.

    So what? Who cares? Anyone writing on baseball will turn out to be wrong or surprised by something at one point or another, because statistics, projections, scouting reports, watching games, inside sources or what-have-you don’t let you predict the future with 100% accuracy. That’s life. Talent scouts with decades of experience in the field get things wrong all the time- and it’s their JOB to get it right; they aren’t some fan/blogger/sabremetrician doing analysis and paying for the privilege of doing so. Why is it a big deal?

  73. themedia on February 15th, 2009 1:02 pm

    I love this blog, but I think you guys can get a bit arrogant at times. This story has a lot more to it than “Pfffffffffft.”

    It really seems likely that Griffey’s going to sign with ATL—players, coaches, and Wren have all said the Braves are definitely going after him. Other people have pointed out why he’d want to play in ATL for personal reasons. And, to be fair, it makes a lot of sense for the Braves.

    Diaz is effective against lefties and Griffey is effective against righties. He’s a (relatively) cheap solution for a team that had been linked to Dunn and Abreau. At this point, I’ll be shocked if this doesn’t happen.

  74. Breadbaker on February 15th, 2009 1:22 pm

    From Jayson Stark:

    Griffey certainly isn’t a classic middle-of-the-order bat anymore. But the Braves might hit him third or fourth nonetheless, depending on how their other lineup pieces fit together. And if that means Bobby Cox wants to bump Jones down to cleanup, the Chipper said he’d be willing to do that to get Griffey into this mix.

    If that is the Braves’ thinking, they are welcome to him. Jones is also quoted as saying Junior was the best hitter in the original WBC, as though that is relevant to anything.

  75. sass on February 15th, 2009 1:29 pm

    Here’s that Stark link, if you’re interested. It seems Bobby Cox is also in “remember the good ol’ days of Griffey” mode.

  76. scott19 on February 15th, 2009 1:29 pm

    Bizarro USSM. What does that look like?

    Well, in that parallel universe, this would be known as “ISS Mariner”…

    Also, none of the moves of the How-Chuck Empire would ever be allowed scrutiny…so, it’d probably be a pretty depressing place.

  77. Typical Idiot Fan on February 15th, 2009 1:40 pm

    I love this blog, but I think you guys can get a bit arrogant at times. This story has a lot more to it than “Pfffffffffft.”

    Sounds like stuff that is pretty hard to go back on…

    Comments like these piss me off, and I’m not even an author on this blog.

    There’s nothing to go back on. Based on the information known at the time, Griffey was a lock to come to Seattle. Then, literally out of no where, came Atlanta.

    So the question starts to be, what the hell are you expecting of this blog and it’s authors? Did you expect them to somehow know that Atlanta might come into the mix at the zero hour? To know how serious Atlanta was? Did you expect them to use their Super Mind Reading Ray Guns to know how insane members of the Braves FO were? Were sabermetrics and baseball analysis somehow supposed to turn Dave and Derek into Ben Affleck in the movie Paycheck?

    If they were to have somehow known the future, and still reported it as “done deal”, then you could question them. But, in this case, they knew no more then you did. Were you convinced Griffey was coming to Seattle? Are you somehow questioning your own prognosticating powers now?

    Seriously, knock it the fuck off. Hindsight judgment does nothing but prove what a petty bitch y’all can be.

  78. GTownHoyas on February 15th, 2009 1:48 pm

    I’m sorry; I wasn’t trying to anger anyone, or seem like a jerk.

    I was just saying as someone earlier said the arrogance can get a bit annoying at times, and that there is really no need for this.

    Now please don’t get on me and say “well just don’t read the blog if it bothers you that much.” I like this blog, and I don’t think the arrogance that is sometimes projected is needed; people will respect and show interest in your opinions without it.

    @Typical Idiot Fan: I’m sorry if my comment came off as ignorant of whatever you took it to be. But realize when you start ranting and criticizing me, you are just lowering yourself to the level you are crticizing people of being at.

  79. Typical Idiot Fan on February 15th, 2009 1:51 pm

    But realize when you start ranting and criticizing me, you are just lowering yourself to the level you are crticizing people of being at.

    Hypocrisy.

  80. gpchurchill on February 15th, 2009 2:24 pm

    this afternoon, crack reporters at Rotoworld score impressive HI of 154…

    Ken Griffey Jr.’s agent, Brian Goldberg, said Sunday morning that “it could go either way” between the Braves and Mariners.

    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s David O’Brien seems to think Griffey will ultimately end up in Atlanta because his family is centered around the southeast United States. Goldberg is in a pretty good spot to drive a bidding war. Both the Braves and M’s like Griffey for his marketability. In this economy, teams are craving high ticket sales.

  81. terry on February 15th, 2009 3:11 pm

    I would guess they’d feel stupid because of such quotes:

    (On the idea of Griffey to Atlanta)- “Pfffffffffft”

    (On Griffey coming to Seattle)- “We know it, you know it, Griffey knows it. There’s no need to post every rumor escalation in every thread.”

    (Again of Griffey coming to Seattle)- “look, he’s coming. He’ll take the physical Monday, if he passes, they’ll have a press conference Tuesday or Wednesday. Maybe he takes the physical Tuesday. Nothing’s changed.”

    Sounds like stuff that is pretty hard to go back on…

    Jeepers, if Jr goes to Atlanta, write a letter to the local rag’s editorial board demanding to know why Baker and company can’t get their shite together and their facts straight.

    If you disagree about the USSM commentary concerning the impact that a Jr addition would have on the Ms chances, then lets hear the argument.

    I don’t get the notion that USSM has to apologize (or must feel the need to save face) for errors local reporters make….

    I don’t really get the notion that local reporters need to apologize when they’re used as a tool unless it’s a habitual blind spot….

  82. eponymous coward on February 15th, 2009 3:27 pm

    I actually think Griffey going to Atlanta has the potential to work out better for the M’s in terms of having less downside- there’s a non-zero chance that Griffey’s performance in Atlanta would get him released/DFA during the year, or alternately, that he’s available at the trade deadline for cheap, at which point he can show up for a few weeks and give the fans warm fuzzies before he retires.

    In the meantime, you can keep working on LONG TERM answers to LF like Swisher.

  83. themedia on February 15th, 2009 5:53 pm

    Typical Idiot (Fan),

    Jeeze, I wasn’t asking for an apology from anyone.

    I just wanted to point out that a Griffey to ATL deal made sense even before Chipper and others came out of the woodwork supporting it. Griffey is the missing link in LF for ATL because of Diaz’s ineptitude against righties.

    My only point is that sometimes it makes you look …. arrogant …. if you presume to know all the reasons someone would do something (an agent driving up Jr.’s price) when other ideas are readily available (ATL’s personnel needs, the team’s spring training location, etc.). Then, when other information comes out (like Jr.’s daughter’s basketball arrangement), you won’t look like you presumed to know everything before it happened, which is, ironically, what you seem to be suggesting my critique on USSM was. (Incidentally, I should say again that I really do enjoy this blog and find most of Dave and Derek’s posts interesting and insightful.)

    I don’t expect the bloggers to come up with all the answers all the time. But I also don’t expect to be reprimanded for suggesting they don’t have all the answers. If you can’t deal with a bit of dissension then maybe you should start your own blog called, “If you don’t like what I think then ‘knock it the f**k off’ dot com.”

  84. DMZ on February 15th, 2009 6:33 pm

    Soooooooooo if Griffey shows up tomorrow, does the physical, and signs, are we totally vindicated? Or still arrogant but right?

    And does it matter if we said what people think what we said, or if we actually wrote something different and it’s being read one way?

    Actually, here: If the original post read as anything but “I’ll believe this is substantive when Griffey doesn’t show up in Seattle for a physical” then I offer my apologies. If my admission that I didn’t know what was behind the story read as it’s only the agent driving up the price, my fault for not being clear.

    Moving right along then…

  85. themedia on February 15th, 2009 8:10 pm

    I just reread the post and realized I may have overreacted a bit. I think the initial “Pffffft” made the tone seem different than you explained. In reading it again, however, I see your point.

    You know what’s lost in all this bickering? I really want Griffey instead of Anderson. Dave hit the nail on the head: Griffey has less value as a fielder than Anderson, and Anderson has less value than Griffey as a hitter. Here’s hoping we get Griffey.

  86. obp_please on February 16th, 2009 11:20 am

    -The Mariners should say “Hold on, we’ve got Anderson on line two…” and then hang up.-

    Amen. My guess would be that Griffey’s agent Goldman or whatever has a buddy in Atlanta that can help bluff it up, trading favors via media. And if we don’t get Griffey? More room up front at Safeco, less dumb old fans.

  87. lineshotbasehitleftfield on February 16th, 2009 4:34 pm

    I just came across this quote from the ‘MLB Pro Blog’ of Mark Bowman, who writes about the Braves, and couldn’t help but smile:

    [Josh]Anderson is out of options and because of this he’ll be given every opportunity to win the starting job in center. If he does win this job, Griffey would likely occasionally spell him in center. The way the roster currently stands, this would also likely mean that Jones, Blanco and Schafer would all begin this season in the Minors.

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