Happy Newer Slimmer Carlos Silva Day!

DMZ · April 25, 2009 at 12:26 am · Filed Under Mariners 

I know, you were thinking “after seeing another sweet start by Bedard, I’d really like to get some red hot Newer Slimmer Carlos Silva action.”

Now seriously, if ever there was a time to put up a good start, to get some breaking pitches to break, the sinker to sink, to turn that improved nutrition and flexibility into results, this is it.

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45 Responses to “Happy Newer Slimmer Carlos Silva Day!”

  1. Go Felix on April 25th, 2009 12:28 am

    N.S.C.S. will eat your soul, cupcakes.

  2. SethGrandpa on April 25th, 2009 12:28 am

    I have now adopted the stance of refusing to watch any game he pitches, because when I do I just end up cursing for hours. No thanks.

  3. KDawg on April 25th, 2009 1:01 am

    Why does everyone on this site hate Yuni with a passion? He struggles at time. He is impatient at the plate. He makes a few fielding errors. But did anyone notice the great plays he made in yesterday’s game. The hits he has gotten this year. He is a pretty good hitter. He certainly is no Richie Sexson. I can’t stand hearing the praise for Wak and the hate for Yuni when he is playing deep in the hole. Does anyone think that the fact that Yuni has played deep in the hole in multiple games that he was told to? Blame Wak on that one. I love what Wak has done, but positioning in the field is on the manager not the player.

    I by no means think Yuni is the answer at short, but the ridicule he gets is not warranted. He gets lambasted with scrutiny when he makes a minor mistake and when he makes great plays he is looked over. Hold him accountable for the bad, but give him credit when its due.

  4. DMZ on April 25th, 2009 1:05 am

    Okay. Let us know when that is.

    Also, where did that come from?

  5. ScottBrowne on April 25th, 2009 1:18 am

    When I think about Carlos Silva, happiness is one of the last things to come to mind. Maybe the MLB.tv stream won’t load and it will save me the agony of watching.

  6. scott19 on April 25th, 2009 1:45 am

    Maybe I’ll see if there’s a few episodes of either BBQ University or The Primal Grill on PBS opposite the game. At least Steven Raichlen is a professional grillmaster.

  7. henryv on April 25th, 2009 1:54 am

    Not to harp too much on how bad Yuni is, but:

    In 56 plate appearances Yuni has zero walks. That projects to, uhm, zero, all year. Kudos if he can pull that off.

    He has 1/3 of the team’s errors.

    His OPS is .565

    He has 1 stolen base.

    His OBP is .281.

    And all of this playing 16 of 17 games (technically, he played all of them, but one was just 1 inning in the field).

    He does not have a home run this season. His triple was a result of horrific positioning by the Rays.

    And if you take away his 2 good games, he’s not hitting .200, and his OPS is somewhere around .400.

    I mean can you really look at Yuni and say “sure, he’s not a well-rounded player, but he’s really good at ____________”? Defense, no, plate patience, no, power, no, situational hitting, no… Bunting… uhm… no comment.

    I appreciate all that Yuni went through to come to this country and play, and he seems to not be a bad guy. He’s just not a starting-caliber major league baseball player. Or at least not for a team who wants to win more than they lose.

    ———————————

    Back to topic:

    Here is how I see this game going:

    Silva gets shelled, but pitches five innings. Blames Angels changing name to Los Angeles. Claims have been confused, and read the scouting report on the Dodgers instead.

    Batista comes in and performs the duties of the world’s most overpaid mop-up reliever.

    Final pitching lines:

    Silva 5.0 IP, 12 hits, 7 runs
    Batista 3.0 IP, 5 hits, 2 runs

    In game notes:

    The B. Abreau’s home run in the 3rd landed in Mexico.

    The game is being delayed due so that the mustard around the mound can be cleared.

  8. mln on April 25th, 2009 2:01 am

    Wouldn’t it be bizarro-great if Carlos Silva pitches a no-hitter tommorrow?

    The USS Mariner server would surely implode from the shock and sheer improbability of the feat.

    And it would be a sure sign that the End Times are near.

  9. Steve T on April 25th, 2009 2:11 am

    And if you take away his 2 good games, he’s not hitting .200, and his OPS is somewhere around .400.

    Um, you realize that this early in the season, you don’t have enough PA to make ANY determinations, let alone take away games? While no walks is a statistical outlier, as a whole Yuni’s performance so far has been consistent with what you’d expect from a player anywhere between “worse than Bill Bergen” and “way better than Babe Ruth”.

    58 PA is — literally — nothing. Not even a guess. It determines NADA. Do you think Beltre is a sub-.500 OPS player?

    Look, I agree with you; Yuni’s a lousy hitter. But 2009 isn’t why.

  10. henryv on April 25th, 2009 2:13 am

    [Sims]

  11. SonOfZavaras on April 25th, 2009 2:23 am

    My own thoughts- we got a rookie (Daniel Ortega)starting for the Angels. We should take the opportunity to abuse him.

    Because opposing rookie starters should get abused. “You ain’t in Frog Balls, Tennessee, now, kid!!”

    My prediction is N.S.C.S. gives up 4 runs and about ten hits- but wins ugly.

    But bravado aside- rookie starters do make me nervous. We historically have made many of them look better than what they are. Wonder what this group will do with Ortega?

  12. henryv on April 25th, 2009 2:26 am

    Um, you realize that this early in the season, you don’t have enough PA to make ANY determinations, let alone take away games? While no walks is a statistical outlier, as a whole Yuni’s performance so far has been consistent with what you’d expect from a player anywhere between “worse than Bill Bergen” and “way better than Babe Ruth”.

    58 PA is — literally — nothing. Not even a guess. It determines NADA. Do you think Beltre is a sub-.500 OPS player?

    Look, I agree with you; Yuni’s a lousy hitter. But 2009 isn’t why.

    Absolutely true that throwing out his best 2 games isn’t fair. But what is emphasized by that statement is that his numbers are inflated by two good games.

    58 at bats is about 11% of a season. If I told a statistician that they could randomly sample 11% of a population, they would probably be very content with that. Heck, an ideal univariate linear regression uses 42 data points.

    Yes, and Yuni isn’t bad because of whats gone on in 2009. Its just that 2009 is a perfect example of what Yuni is, so I used 2009 numbers.

  13. henryv on April 25th, 2009 2:28 am

    But bravado aside- rookie starters do make me nervous. We historically have made many of them look better than what they are. Wonder what this group will do with Ortega?

    I’ve noticed this too.

    No real evidence, however, over the last few seasons it seems like when we run into a pitcher with few MLB starts, they just own us. I would love to see some evidence that refutes or supports this.

  14. TheMsfan on April 25th, 2009 3:13 am

    I’m not quite sure how this became a discussion on how bad Yuni is, funny how things like that work.

    In all seriousness, this would be a great time to see Silva gain some confidence throwing el kitchen sinko at this not so great Angel lineup. Then again, maybe i shouldnt mention the word kitchen to Silva though, I’ll change it to throw the salad bar at em.

  15. DaveValleDrinkNight on April 25th, 2009 3:35 am

    GOD WE NEED ANOTHER LEFTY BAT!!!

    Yuni is touched in the head, get used to it.

  16. Typical Idiot Fan on April 25th, 2009 3:50 am

    My one day off this week and it’s Silva pitching. God I hate life.

  17. Jeff Nye on April 25th, 2009 5:17 am

    I’m not quite sure how this became a discussion on how bad Yuni is, funny how things like that work.

    I don’t know how it did either, but it isn’t anymore.

  18. maxwell on April 25th, 2009 7:10 am

    With his contract, it isn’t like we can just release him. I have tried to think positive thoughts when it comes to Silva. There has to be a pitching coach out there who can make him better. Isn’t there some guy with the Cardinals who is pretty good?

  19. zvazda on April 25th, 2009 8:08 am

    Don’t forget Silva’s outing last time against the Angels:

    7 IP 4 H 2 R 1 BB 4 SO

    And a ND, giving Corcoran the win, cuz the M’s won in the 10th.

    Not that this is predictive in any way. But it shows that playing a lineup like the Angels, it is possible for the baseball Gods to line up in our favor.

    Also, why does it say SO in the box score for Strike Out but when you’re scoring you use K’s?

  20. mln on April 25th, 2009 8:28 am

    I think something magical will happen in this game.

    I don’t know what.

    But it will be truly a sight to behold in wondrous awe.

  21. joser on April 25th, 2009 8:30 am

    Actually, I kind of like the idea of Silva pitching well enough to give the win to a different M’s reliever each week (thanks to M’s bats coming alive in exciting fashion in the later innings against the other team’s relievers). That puts the… ND in TEAM?

  22. xxtinynickxx on April 25th, 2009 9:12 am

    Cus I don’t want to cry and screaming at the tv like I did watching Greys Anatomy this week. I’ll stick to the NFL draft. Please god make them draft Eugene Monroe or Curry!

  23. joser on April 25th, 2009 9:14 am

    [see comment guidelines]

  24. drjeff on April 25th, 2009 9:24 am

    58 PA is not “literally nothing.” 58 PA is literally 58 PA. It might be figuratively nothing.

    Hi-Ho Silva! Away!

  25. UpOrDownMsFan on April 25th, 2009 9:42 am

    I hope Silva throws the whole kitchen stove at ‘em today… Hot grease in the deep fryer and all! Maybe some gravy. Imagine trying to hit that!?

    In all seriousness, I’m actually optimistic about Silva today. This Angels lineup is not good right now. I said it yesterday, but again, they’re going through what we experienced last year (for different reasons). You can see it on the faces- their struggling with dealing with how they’re playing, and then how it compares to their own image of themselves as the best team in baseball coming into the season. It’s painful to watch (see, again: last year’s M’s).

    If Silva mixes up his pitches, and keeps the ball down (releases the ball at the top of the belly, not behind it), I see 6-7 innings, and 3-4 runs from him. We can win that type of game against these Angels.

    Go NSCS!

  26. mark s on April 25th, 2009 10:02 am

    Can Silva cheat?

  27. joser on April 25th, 2009 10:33 am

    Hopefully today’s NSCS earns his reward.

  28. Steve T on April 25th, 2009 10:38 am

    58 PA is not “literally nothing.” 58 PA is literally 58 PA. It might be figuratively nothing.

    For the purposes of determining how valuable a batting season is, it is LITERALLY nothing. It has an identical value to zero PA. Read The Book.

  29. Diehard on April 25th, 2009 11:09 am

    If Silva can just not let the lefties shell him, he should be alright. Lets hope the offense stakes him to like a nice 8-0 lead, er maybe 10-0 just to be on the safe side.

  30. DMZ on April 25th, 2009 11:15 am

    I’m literally rolling my eyes at this point.

  31. Celadus on April 25th, 2009 11:17 am

    Re: 58 at bats = literally nothing.

    By that reasoning, each set of 58 at bats is also literally nothing, and hence, 580 at bats and 5800 at bats are all literally nothing. Therefore, no analysis is possible at all.

    By which I mean to say: perhaps “statistically insignificant” and “literally nothing” are not, literally, synonyms.

  32. hoponpop01 on April 25th, 2009 11:38 am

    Derek: can you start [editing] posts about the Yuni situation until it gets back on topic? I think posting the game thread so early did have some influence on the ability to stay on topic, though…

  33. DMZ on April 25th, 2009 11:39 am

    That’s not the game thread though. Game threads are helpfully titled “Game x, y at z”

  34. patl on April 25th, 2009 11:39 am

    It’s clear that virtually none of us are watching the 15 hours of literally overwhelming NFL draft coverage on the figurative Worldwide Leader sports network.

  35. UpOrDownMsFan on April 25th, 2009 11:57 am

    Pat–
    You saw what happened when “literally nothing” got tossed into the post… Please don’t get another semantics tangent started on “virtually none of us”! (Oh crap, we just did… Derek? A little help?)

  36. hoponpop01 on April 25th, 2009 11:57 am

    I noticed that before, I thought you were just having some fun with it today. Carry on USSM =)

  37. joser on April 25th, 2009 11:57 am

    Yay, Zeno’s Paradox applied to statistical analysis!

  38. UpOrDownMsFan on April 25th, 2009 12:00 pm

    Joser-
    Which is literally virtually nauseating…

    (Not in the annoying way, but in the “giving me the spins” kinda way.)

  39. joser on April 25th, 2009 12:06 pm

    Can Silva cheat?

    You mean sneaking a “quadruple” In-And-Out burger or three? He’s in SoCal, I don’t know how he can avoid it….

  40. UpOrDownMsFan on April 25th, 2009 12:12 pm

    Serious question I’ve been pondering (for all):

    So, in a statistical sense, what are the relative values of a 14th position player, versus a 12th pitcher?

    If we remove the individual personalities, and rate/weight those two positions against each other, which would we value more highly? Taking into account that our imaginary “example team” for this purpose doesn’t have any health/injury issues (since obviously, if we had 3 injured pitchers on the roster two days ago, and only had 11 pitchers on the team, we would have argued for needing another pitcher more than a 5th bench player– theoretically, without bringing up the name Batista or Clement.)

    So yeah, anyone have thoughts about this, so we can sort of establish a base position for which to argue the best move to make in those situations.

    Only asking because I honestly don’t know which I’d prefer in an ideal situation, carrying a 14th position player, or a 12th pitcher?

  41. RefusetoLose95 on April 25th, 2009 12:55 pm

    Of course, we can count on Silva to give up some runs. Let’s just hope that they won’t continue this Silva starting and Batista relieving combo….

  42. supernova72 on April 25th, 2009 1:13 pm

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  43. Axtell on April 25th, 2009 1:32 pm

    joser, a ‘quadruple’ in-and-out is a 4×4.

    I, too, am hoping for the best but anticipating the worst. I read an article today that said it’s been one win in nearly a year. A year! How is is possible a guy pitching as poorly as he has for such an extended period of time gets start after start, let alone in the 3 hole? I’d like to see him pushed back to 4 or 5 to give him his chances. He’s paid way too much for middle relief. But if Zito can throw 7 scoreless innings this week, anyone can.

  44. scott19 on April 25th, 2009 2:19 pm

    How is is possible a guy pitching as poorly as he has for such an extended period of time gets start after start, let alone in the 3 hole?

    I had to go back a while here, but Jaime Navarro had three totally stinky seasons in a row for the White Sox back in the late-90′s before they finally gave up him.

  45. joser on April 25th, 2009 6:33 pm

    joser, a ‘quadruple’ in-and-out is a 4×4.

    Thankfully, I wouldn’t know. I’ve never been to In-and-Out, and in fact I’ve only had two hamburgers total since 1990.

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