Quick!

DMZ · May 17, 2009 at 4:22 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Was this a statement game? Why or why not?

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83 Responses to “Quick!”

  1. jmb13 on May 17th, 2009 4:24 pm

    Yes, for the bullpen. They came thru today by keeping us in the game. Also, the Sox fans were silenced by “Mariner’s Nation” glad we don’t have to see them until next year. Unless we meet in the postseason???

  2. Milendriel on May 17th, 2009 4:24 pm

    No; statement games are a myth.

  3. georgmi on May 17th, 2009 4:31 pm

    Only if the statement has something to do with schizophrenia.

    Even Sims noticed how many of the long outs induced by M’s pitching this series would have been gone in other parks.

  4. Diehard on May 17th, 2009 4:32 pm

    Yes, the Mariners had a very tough series against the Rangers where they should have won 2 of 3. They fought the Red Sox this series and showed their resilience and toughness. Although the offense is anemic at times, I could see these guys fighting back above .500 by the end of the home stand. Just keep winning series.

  5. DaveValleDrinkNight on May 17th, 2009 4:38 pm

    Nope.

    Not when the Team is under .500 and in third place in the weakest Division in Baseball.

  6. julian on May 17th, 2009 4:39 pm

    That game against Oakland when they came back twice was the prototypical “statement” game… and then the M’s proceeded to lose, what, 10 of their next 12?

  7. DMZ on May 17th, 2009 4:41 pm

    That’s not what prototypical means.

  8. Mekias on May 17th, 2009 4:41 pm

    Even Sims noticed how many of the long outs induced by M’s pitching this series would have been gone in other park.

    Like Branyan’s long fly ball? It works both ways in Safeco.

    We still aren’t scoring many runs which is a major concern. Beltre swinging at a 3-1 pitch in the 8th that was a foot off the plate wasn’t real encouraging. I don’t see us heating up again and reclaiming first.

    If I were the front office, I’d be taking good looks at deals for the future. The minute we fall 6 or 7 games out of first, pull the trigger. An Ichiro trade isn’t possible due to his impact on and, more importantly, off the field. But Beltre, Bedard, and Washburn should be enticing to other teams.

  9. naviomelo on May 17th, 2009 4:41 pm

    Feels great, but the only statement to make is to win the division.

    Even Sims noticed how many of the long outs induced by M’s pitching this series would have been gone in other parks.

    How many warning track flies did the M’s hitters have in this series, too?

  10. Diehard on May 17th, 2009 4:42 pm

    The Mariners have a golden opportunity to get back into second place here against the Angels who were dismantled by the juggernaut Texas Rangers. Whoa never thought I would say that…

  11. heyoka on May 17th, 2009 4:45 pm

    The Mariners are now 1-0 on games played today, tied with half the teams in the MLB for the best record.

  12. joser on May 17th, 2009 4:49 pm

    I don’t even know what “statement game” means.

    I was expecting this to be “Quick! Trade Yuni to the Red Sox, who apparently need a shortstop and who on the evidence of the weekend might be conned into thinking he’s better than he is!”

  13. DMZ on May 17th, 2009 4:51 pm

    I don’t know what a statement game is either, which is why I’m asking if this was one. Do they count for more in the standings?

  14. Mariner Melee on May 17th, 2009 5:06 pm

    No. Statement games only exist in the minds of fans, broadcasters, and ESPN/FSN analyst.

  15. DaveValleDrinkNight on May 17th, 2009 5:07 pm

    Frankly, if we need a statement, we can always count on Bedard.

  16. TomTuttle on May 17th, 2009 5:13 pm

    If we had a better team on our hands I’d take it to be a statement game, but the hitting it just too damn anemic (or however you spell that).

    I certainly do hope though this series means there’s better baseball ahead.

  17. TomTuttle on May 17th, 2009 5:13 pm

    is*

  18. alexD on May 17th, 2009 5:14 pm

    The only statement they made is that if by some miracle they make it into October, there is a chance they have a chance at making any playoff series interesting. We took 2-3 from the sox with the bottom of our rotation, so at the very least it does show some potential for this team down the stretch.

  19. rjfrik on May 17th, 2009 5:18 pm

    Yuni and Clement for Masterson, Bowden or Bucholtz? Or am I dreaming.

  20. bilbo27 on May 17th, 2009 5:20 pm

    I think if nothing else good for their psyche. If you look back over this losing streak, they lose game 1 against Texas at the start of the streak with Felix blowing a lead due to the fact that he had the flu and only even pitched because the bullpen was shot. If not for that last two run shot he gave up the M’s win that one even with him being as Wak said “about 40%”.

    Next game they blow a tie in the 10th and probably wouldn’t have done so (at least that inning) had Kelly not got injured on the second or third pitch and the bullpen still being shot that game.

    Then they went in a legitimate downward spiral which hurt obviously. But then *should* have won 2 of 3 from Texas before this series.

    So basically this slump wouldn’t have been nearly as painful and Texas wouldn’t look nearly this good if not for the M’s getting some bad breaks against Texas during the slump (taking 3 or 4 of 5 against Texas instead of going 0-5 really changes this division right now).

    The Halo’s are coming in a bit beat up on the bullpen side and a bit demoralized by Texas, so with sending our our 6, 7, 8 starters out there and taking a series against the vaunted Redsox, the team has to be feeling pretty good right now with Anaheim probably feeling the opposite, especially with facing the M’s who’ve thus far had no trouble with the Angels this year (for once).

    We get Felix, Bedard, the new Washburn (hopefully), and Jak going for us, so we have to feel pretty good about this series.

  21. bilbo27 on May 17th, 2009 5:24 pm

    “How many warning track flies did the M’s hitters have in this series, too?”

    Griffey had two and Branyan one today alone :-)

  22. ppl on May 17th, 2009 5:25 pm

    It is a (or atleast should be) a statement to “fans” who can only look for the first opportunity to cast off the year as a lost cause before it is even a quarter of the way in. Texas has improved, and in some ways it is legit, but I sure don’t look at them and see a team anyone ought to cede the divison to in the middle of May.
    Even if the M’s hold a fire sale later, it won’t be for atleast another month. Teams do have ups and downs, that is why there seldom is a season where every team does not loose atleat sixty and even the 2001 Mariners & 1998 Yankees lost more than forty. Yes the M’s overachieved in April, but it was not a total fluke, people who right them off when they don’t hit, overlook how many games that it was the the only serious problem.

  23. lefthand on May 17th, 2009 5:27 pm

    No, over the last few years we’ve taken quite a few series from the Red Sox at Safeco. Doesn’t mean anything more than any of the last few years.

  24. Mike Snow on May 17th, 2009 5:33 pm

    I don’t know what a statement game is either, which is why I’m asking if this was one. Do they count for more in the standings?

    Yes, they do. They’re called the playoffs.

  25. bilbo27 on May 17th, 2009 5:37 pm

    I think it is possible to have a statement series, but not a statement game. For instance, the M’s go out and lose something like 17 games to Oakland a couple years back winning something like 2. The next year the M’s right out of the gate i believe swept Oakland the first or second series (winning both series) and went on to win a pretty ridiculous amount of games against them that year.

    Not really a statement in terms of “playoff contender”, but a statement in terms of “we aren’t going to be your doormat anymore”. But maybe it is just in fans heads. It would be interesting to see if the players have these same types of feelings sometimes.

  26. Mike Snow on May 17th, 2009 5:39 pm

    I think it is possible to have a statement series, but not a statement game.

    That would definitely be the playoffs.

  27. mark s on May 17th, 2009 5:49 pm

    No.
    1)Any team can beat any other team in a best 2 out of 3.
    2)This is still a 50% win team until there are several changes in the roster.

    But it is always fun to beat a team like Boston.

  28. UofMichgoMs on May 17th, 2009 6:00 pm

    Yes. The statement was “hey we can get lucky in one run games too.”

  29. georgmi on May 17th, 2009 6:08 pm

    How many warning track flies did the M’s hitters have in this series, too?

    I bet Sims doesn’t know.

  30. bilbo27 on May 17th, 2009 6:12 pm

    But Sims definitely knows about the “light bat” commercial with Edgar “heh heh heh heh. Oh that light bat commercial heh heh heh heh, I remember that. heh heh heh heh” (awkward silence) “heh heh heh”

  31. built2crash on May 17th, 2009 6:13 pm

    It’s a statement game. the statement being these group of M’s are not afraid of the red sox.

  32. bilbo27 on May 17th, 2009 6:19 pm

    I do enjoy how the M’s the last few years seem to take it to the redsox, often in close games, with a walk off here or there at Safeco.

    I can’t stand Redsox fans at the games (or in general). Which is why i sell all my Redsox tickets from my full season package (and Yankee tickets for the same reason). They go for about 4 times the value I paid for them and I don’t have to endure the “long time” Redsox fans who mysteriously often stop cheering for Boston and switch to the Mariners if it looks like the M’s are going to win the game.

  33. 14limes on May 17th, 2009 6:26 pm

    If the statement is “we can win so long as the opposing DH is batting at the Mendoza line, and they give us a gift with 2 outs in the 9th.”

    Otherwise? Pffft. Anyone who mentions “gritty” or “character” or whatever gets a double pffft. They took 2 they shouldn’t have.

  34. Breadbaker on May 17th, 2009 6:54 pm

    I would expect these criteria would apply to a statement game, none of which this game was:

    1. It should be against a division rival or a team with which you have some meaningful recent history (e.g., the Mariners or Rangers against the Yankees in the playoffs, 1995-2001).

    2. It should have a stomach punch kind of feel to it, where one team either had a big lead or a lot of opportunities and didn’t capitalize and let the other team back in.

    3. Some player who has been a thorn in your side (if it’s the Mariners, someone Dave Niehaus calls “that man”, like Vlad or Pudge) should have a role in it, and have failed at a critical moment. It wasn’t a statement game at the time, because I think he was on the Mets, but the first time we ever beat Pedro would qualify for this criterion.

    4. Conversely, someone on your team who has never succeeded (0 for life against a great closer like K-Rod) should succeed.

    On that basis, I just don’t see it here.

  35. Celadus on May 17th, 2009 6:59 pm

    Well, certainly it was a statement game.

    Precisely as the Detroit game today was a statement by Ramon Santiago and Adam Everett (who were a combined 7 for 7 with 2 doubles, 1 triple, 1 HR, 5 runs, 5 rbi) that they are now officially channeling Honus Wagner and Eddie Collins.

    Ramon, by the way, were he with the Mariners, would be tied for the lead in RBIs with 19.

  36. dingla on May 17th, 2009 7:04 pm

    …Redsox fans who mysteriously often stop cheering for Boston and switch to the Mariners if it looks like the M’s are going to win the game.

    Many people in Safeco Field today wearing Boston Red Sox apparel could be seen clapping once Gutierrez batted Cedeno home.

  37. mln on May 17th, 2009 7:07 pm

    Yes, this was most definitely a “statement game.”

    And the statement was …

    Bad girls from Bahston Rock!

  38. SequimRealEstate on May 17th, 2009 7:26 pm

    No! S S S

  39. 14limes on May 17th, 2009 7:28 pm

    Many people in Safeco Field today wearing Boston Red Sox apparel could be seen clapping once Gutierrez batted Cedeno home.

    I was one of them. So?

    There are two classes of Sox fans at the average M’s game:

    New Englanders who plan their vacations around Sox road trips so they can get tickets since Fenway is so small and expensive; and

    New England transplants who’ve been here long enough to rate the M’s second; and who fill seats and root for the M’s when the Sox aren’t around. (And, yeah, okay, fairweather douches who used to wear Yankees hats before they were eclipsed. But, mostly the first two.)

    In any case, what gets me is when M’s fans treat this like it’s some kind of rivalry. It’s not. Sorry. I grew up in a family where my grandfather was born, lived into his 80s, and died without seeing a World Series title. So yeah, the Sox mean more to me than the M’s. Again, sorry. If I live the rest of my life in Seattle, and I might, I’ll always be a Sox fan first and an M’s fan second. Even if they limp in at 50-111 and the M’s win 116 again.

    And yeah, I’ll cheer for a Mariner when he makes a good defensive play, or gets the GWRBI. I like to watch a good game. I like the M’s. And I’m not particularly thrilled that they won, but frankly, I’m more upset that the Yankees got another damned walkoff win. It ain’t the playoffs, people. The Sox fans that are clapping are being magnanimous, not traitorous.

    The rest of the season, you won’t have to hear me root for the away team. For all you know, I may be sitting next to you. But this weekend, suck it up.

  40. Mike Snow on May 17th, 2009 7:32 pm

    I was totally respecting that until you mentioned GWRBI.

  41. Chris_From_Bothell on May 17th, 2009 7:33 pm

    “The Sox fans that are clapping are being magnanimous, not traitorous.”

    Unless they’re the ones behind me at the game today, who asked “hey, where’s Manny?”. Then they’re just clueless.

  42. 14limes on May 17th, 2009 7:44 pm

    Unless they’re the ones behind me at the game today, who asked “hey, where’s Manny?”. Then they’re just clueless.

    Cave-dwellers do occasionally attend baseball games.

    The Sox fan behind me yesterday described Junior’s career trajectory in great detail. He was 10.

  43. Breadbaker on May 17th, 2009 8:12 pm

    But this weekend, suck it up.

    Not until the day comes when I could wear my Edgar Martinez jersey to Fenway and feel safe. In other words, never.

  44. seacard on May 17th, 2009 8:24 pm

    DMZ -

    Just curious, why was Julian’s use of “prototypical” improper? Isn’t he saying that the Oakland win was a model or a prototype of what most people who use the term “statement game” would refer to as a statement game?

  45. msb on May 17th, 2009 8:29 pm

    For me, a statement game is more of an individual thing than a team thing– a pitcher shuts down the rival is a statement game … for him.

    On the pregame I thought Shannon said the plan was to get Morrow in for some work today– but I see that never happened. Any word on why? Too close a game?

  46. 14limes on May 17th, 2009 8:32 pm

    Not until the day comes when I could wear my Edgar Martinez jersey to Fenway and feel safe. In other words, never.

    It’s Fenway, not Wolverhampton. As long as you’re not wearing Bucky Dent’s 1978 game-worn jersey to see a 1-game playoff for the AL East title, nobody’ll lay a finger on you. Nobody in Boston gives a rip about anyone outside of their natural enemies (right now, Yankees and Rays, with a second-half option on the Jays).

    My sister married a Yankees fan. (We love him despite his disability.) They go to games at Fenway all the time together, and he’s as safe as can be.

  47. Carson on May 17th, 2009 8:37 pm

    How many “statement games” did the M’s have in 2001?

    They don’t hold parades for the team that loses the ALCS. So, even if you want to argue statement games exist, I don’t know that you can prove it until October.

  48. sib on May 17th, 2009 8:53 pm

    @ 14limes I’m with you. Grew up in central Connecticut in the ’70′s as a Red Sox fan, both parents born in Massachusetts. Lived through plenty of crushing defeats, mostly at the hands of NY teams. Moved to Seattle 10 years ago, actually bought M’s season tix last year and enjoy rooting for the M’s every game except for Sox games, when I — politely — cheer for the Sox. I’m not even that bummed if the M’s win a close one…

    I actually think it’s kind of sad how poor Seattle fans are at cheering for the team. Safeco’s almost silent except when the Jumbotron tells people to wake up… What’s up with that?

  49. Breadbaker on May 17th, 2009 9:04 pm

    Sorry, guys, I lived there for seven years and I’ve visited regularly ever since. That’s not my experience as an M’s fan in Boston. I’ve been yelled at on the street in a Mariners cap. In the winter. And if you “politely cheer for the Sox”, you’re the only one.

  50. harry on May 17th, 2009 9:32 pm

    Yeah, I wear my M’s cap in MA, and my 11, 51, and 34 jerseys often. I hear a lot of crap, from everyone. And tomorrow, I expect a ton of smack talk. Boston fans are generally annoying, taken as a group.

    Of course, they know this, too. It’s why they have the Whiner Line on WEEI.

  51. SonOfZavaras on May 17th, 2009 9:46 pm

    I think it was a statement game, but the statement itself could have been a number of things.

    The statement could be, choose:

    1. We’re determined to go for the record in killing elderly/ bad ticker fans with heart attack finishes.

    2. We’re pretty good as competitors, and have a bit of talent….even if the mental aspect of our game seems to take lengthy vacations.

    3. Although we know trades will likely happen, nobody on this team wants to be traded to Minnesota.

    4. It torks us off to see that much red in OUR stadium.

  52. SonOfZavaras on May 17th, 2009 9:47 pm

    I spent two years as a kid in Belfast, Maine (although I was born and essentially raised here)….you learn very quickly you must hate pinstripes. Boston doesn’t do “casual fan”.

  53. Carson on May 17th, 2009 9:51 pm

    I made a point to hit Yankee Stadium before it closed. It was a much different experience seeing people cheer in certain situations (2 out, 2 strikes), without being prompted by a video screen.

    But, guess what? That’s what 26 world championships will do for a fan base. I gather it’s about the same for Sox fans as well.

    The Seattle fan base is filled with many casual fans who are plenty entertained by hydro races and the wave. Why? Because there aren’t crazed fans beating down the Safeco box office desperate for tickets because there’s a chance every single season to see a winner.

    That’s going to be our culture until the team gives fans reason to be excited about the product on the field. Although, let me remind you that you aren’t the judge of fandom.

    I keep score, and get nervous in high leverage situation. Someone else does the wave. Big deal. I feel, if you’re as into the game as you claim, other people taking pictures with that flea infested moose shouldn’t distract you.

  54. 14limes on May 17th, 2009 10:07 pm

    You can also go to a concert in Seattle where nobody stands up until the encore.

    I like that it’s that laid back, though.

  55. DMZ on May 17th, 2009 10:11 pm

    Hi!

    I actually think it’s kind of sad how poor Seattle fans are at cheering for the team. Safeco’s almost silent except when the Jumbotron tells people to wake up… What’s up with that?

    This is rank ignorant bullshit, which entirely and forever establishes that you weren’t around for the playoff-contention Mariners, or that you have a hearing problem or memory loss.

    M’s fans are fine cheering, given any reason or motivation to do so. That you don’t think they’re loud enough now does not equate to a lack of ability.

  56. Willmore2000 on May 17th, 2009 10:18 pm

    There no such thing as a statement game. Good teams don’t need them, bad teams claim to have a dozen of them over the course of a single season and still manage to not make the playoffs. Or, make the playoffs and then look back to try and find that statement game, so that the radio jocks have a couple phone-in segments to kill time.

    Quick, what was the statement game in 2001? Was it the first sweep … or maybe the fifth, or maybe Win 116?

    What does a statement game even mean? Who are we trying to convince with a statement? Is it a matter of psyching yourself up? Each member of the Mariners roster is a professional, their bank accounts should provide all the motivation, if it doesn’t, the manager should do whatever to compensate for it. Do the fans need to be convinced? Why? If the attendance at the Mariners games improved 5-10% over the rest of the season, does the team get an incentive of some sort? I’m sure the execs would be happy, but it doesn’t affect the game’s outcome. Are the Mariners trying the psych out the opposition – “look at how we made a statement last week, you better be ready for a beating, hombre!” Well, the opposing players are supposed to be just as professional. Is the team trying to impress the ESPN talking heads? Who cares what they say?

    What makes baseball different?

    There are no statement games in soccer. Liverpool beat Manchester United 4-1, yet that wasn’t a statement game, because Manchester just hoisted the trophy, and Liverpool couldn’t do anything about it. If, on the other hand, ManU would have faltered and lost more points, and Liverpool could get the title, is it all of a sudden a statement game? Of course, some will say. But what has changed? ManU was responsible for its performance, Liverpool for its, that game was history the moment the ref signaled the end of the game. There was no statement, only an illusion of importance in retrospect post future performances.
    There are none in basketball. At what point in this season did Cleveland have a statement game? They were simply a better team most of the year, and no win should stand out.
    Are there statement games in football? No, in a 16 game season, a win is a win and a loss is a loss. If a team starts 7-0, then beats the only other undefeated team, is that a statement game? What if that team then goes on to lose the remaining games and miss the playoffs? A game is a game, its importance is purely statistical for the benefit of a accounting a winner.

    The reason baseball has statement games is because Softy needs a segment to fill, and this is the first thing to pop into his thick skull.

    A good team will make the playoffs, regardless of statements. A bad team will not make the playoffs, regardless of statements.

  57. bilbo27 on May 17th, 2009 10:19 pm

    [Niehaus, Rizzs]

  58. Milendriel on May 17th, 2009 10:20 pm

    If this is a statement game, then the statement is “We are a .500 team because we play a crapload of coinflip games.”

  59. Willmore2000 on May 17th, 2009 10:23 pm

    /minor correction:

    The reason baseball has statement games is because the season is 162 games long, and Softy needs a segment to fill after each game, and this is the first thing to pop into his thick skull.

  60. don52656 on May 17th, 2009 10:28 pm

    A statement game? Probably not. But:

    1. There no better place to be than Safeco Field on a sunny Sunday afternoon.
    2. I can’t believe that we threw 3 starters named Jakabauskas, Olson, and Vargas and ended winning 2 from Boston.
    3. I wonder if Ken Griffey is finished. That first fly ball flew off his bat and then didn’t even reach the warning track.
    4. What is wrong with Adrian Beltre? And why is he batting 4th?
    5. I love Franklyn Gutierrez.
    6. There is no where better than Safeco Field on a sunny Sunday afternoon. It was worth repeating.

  61. gwangung on May 17th, 2009 10:41 pm

    No, there is such a thing as a statement game.

    There’s only one, though. And that’s when you win the very last game of the season.

  62. slescotts on May 17th, 2009 10:47 pm

    Yes…. IF

    1. They prove to be ‘righting the ship’ and ending the suckitude of the first half of May (and last couple days of April).

    2. They can now figure out how to beat the Rangers and Angels.

    3. The can beat the Red Sox with a healthy Youkilis.

    Bottom line: It’s only a ‘statement game’ if they prove to gain some momentum and prove to have stuff figured out. They’ve gone 5-11 so far this month, losing to KC, TX, MN and now face LA and OAK. It was reasonable to expect a slight ‘settling’… However, I think they gotta break even or slightly ahead this month to have a realistic shot. They have 13 more games to expand on today’s (and Friday’s) ‘statement’ and even out the previous half of the month. I worry that 7 of these 13 are against the Angels. Today’s game was great… However, we are in danger of being cellar-dwellers again.

  63. The Hamms Bear on May 17th, 2009 11:00 pm

    I think there are statement games but they usually involve throwing at an opposing batter and bench clearing brawls and have little to do with the game of baseball being played on the field.

  64. dingla on May 17th, 2009 11:18 pm

    [Niehaus, Rizzs]

  65. dingla on May 17th, 2009 11:20 pm

    and yes,

    Rizzs

    Niehaus.

    Rizzs.

    Niehaus.

  66. SonOfZavaras on May 17th, 2009 11:23 pm

    I was thinking about it (contrary to what the caption of this post encourages) and I decided that while it’s a very good win against a tough Boston club, any real statement would probably be limited to: “we can compete, and when we fire on all thrusters, beat the heavyweight teams”.

    The real statement would be in beating Texas the next time we face them, provided we can keep within spittin’ distance or even (dare I hope?!) gain ground.

    If we want this division this year, we’re gonna have to prove it to them.

  67. henryv on May 17th, 2009 11:36 pm

    Yes this was a statement game!

    The statement was as follows:

    “On May 17th, we beat the Boston Red Sox 3-2, because of an error made by the back up shortstop.”

  68. diderot on May 17th, 2009 11:38 pm

    IF there were such a thing as a statement game…and IF today were one of those games…then the statement would be that the Red Sox miss Manny more than their annoying fans want to admit.

  69. jmb13 on May 17th, 2009 11:41 pm

    Many people in Safeco Field today wearing Boston Red Sox apparel could be seen clapping once Gutierrez batted Cedeno home.

    I was one of them. So?

    There are two classes of Sox fans at the average M’s game:
    New Englanders who plan their vacations around Sox road trips so they can get tickets since Fenway is so small and expensive; and New England transplants who’ve been here long enough to rate the M’s second; and who fill seats and root for the M’s when the Sox aren’t around. (And, yeah, okay, fairweather douches who used to wear Yankees hats before they were eclipsed. But, mostly the first two.)

    In any case, what gets me is when M’s fans treat this like it’s some kind of rivalry. It’s not. Sorry.

    You forgot a third, and probably the most prominent, “Sox fan at an average M’s game”: the douche who’s never been to Boston and/or who started watching the Sox in ’04.

    This type of person usually likes the appeal of being apart of “Red Sox nation.” Sometimes it’ll come from a hatred of the Yankee’s and as a result of ESPN/Fox’s over-saturation of the gradually less-interesting rivalry. This is the person who’ll go to the game and buy a Sox shirt from the guy selling them on Occidental an hour before first pitch. The is the person who will cheer for Jason Bay just because he’s on the Red Sox, not because of his on field accomplishments in Pittsburgh, the same casual fan that if the M’s had traded for him last year wouldn’t have cheered for him because they wouldn’t have cared who the hell he was. (This is no knock on the M’s fan base)

    I’m sad to admit it, but my cousin is this fan, his AIM screen name contains the word “Poppi,” he owns about 10 Sox hats, and has never been to Boston, or anywhere near the east coast. To top it off, his facebook profile picture is the Red Sox logo, and has been for over a year.

    If there weren’t a bunch of the aforementioned fans, then every large market team with a significant fan base would be showing up in masses at Safeco for a lot of series. Also, I don’t think New Englanders immigrate to the PNW at higher rates than say, Californians for example. Also, you can’t tell me that many Bostonian’s chose to take a vacation to Seattle in the middle of May…

  70. Breadbaker on May 17th, 2009 11:43 pm

    2. I can’t believe that we threw 3 starters named Jakabauskas, Olson, and Vargas and ended winning 2 from Boston.

    The can beat the Red Sox with a healthy Youkilis.

    We had injuries, they had injuries. That’s baseball.

    In 2001, the Cardinals were missing a healthy Mark McGwire and brought up a raw rookie to take his place. Only he was Albert Pujols. Stuff happens. The Rays had a way today of dealing with the manager’s stupidity that had their pitcher batting third.

  71. DAMellen on May 17th, 2009 11:53 pm

    Oh absolutely. With this game, we’ve made the statement that the Mariners are a mediocre team. A team that plays good defense. A team with an adequate rotation and a struggling bullpen. A team whose offense is pretty weak that could use some lefties. This is a team that, given a little luck and continued injuries and underachieving from the Angels, As, and Rangers could win the weakest division in baseball.

    Basically, this game made the statement that all the things we knew before the game are still true.

  72. kenshabby on May 17th, 2009 11:53 pm

    Statement games are both real and quantifiable. The value of a statement game victory is worth 1.2 wins; a statement game defeat deserves its own column in the standings.

  73. bilbo27 on May 18th, 2009 4:01 am

    @dingla: no noticeable delay on the radio when you are at the game. It’s startling how much there is no delay. It’s got to be under a second cause right at the crack of the bat you are seeing you hear [RIZZS RIZZS HOW MANY COMMENTS DO WE HAVE TO EDIT ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGHHHHH] or Niehaus calling it on the radio. That speed of light really working out there. :-) Figure they’ve got some sort of a hard line directly to their station which is in Seattle and then it gets broadcast out at the speed of light; so just delay in the relay process I suppose where the signal gets sent to the station and processed there.

    I would think TV would have a greater delay due to the massive amounts of more digital data having to be routed around. It’s surprising the delay there is only 4 seconds or so. It seems like it could be a lot longer, such as with MLB.TV and the about 1 minute delay or gameday audio and the 30 second or so delay.

    It definitley makes the games more enjoyable to listen while you are there though; especially when you are surrounded by a lot of “typical idiot fans” which often happens if you go to enough games.

    If not for the radio, my wife would never come to the 30 or 40 games we go to a season. Especially because i have strict rules about talking anywhere but between innings / pitching changes / etc. :-) I mean, if i’m at a movie I don’t try to gab to someone while the movie’s playing and I expect the same courtesy at the games. :-) If you are talking, it means you aren’t paying attention. ;-)

  74. bilbo27 on May 18th, 2009 4:08 am

    “you can’t tell me that many Bostonian’s chose to take a vacation to Seattle in the middle of May”

    I can attest to that as a full season ticket holder. Pre-Boston being consistently good there were significantly less “Boston” fans at the games.

    Pre-2004 it was even somewhat bearable to go to a Boston/M’s game (though still a good number of “Boston” fans who interestingly seem to often know nothing about the Redsox).

    After 2004 is when I had to stop going to Boston games. The baseball snob in me just couldn’t take it. ;-) I don’t mind the real Boston fans as much (they can often be pretty obnoxious, but they are so few relatively speaking in Seattle that they can be easily ignored). The fair weather variety though are just as obnoxious (if not more) and there are many thousands of them everywhere at Boston/M’s match ups.

  75. Jeff Nye on May 18th, 2009 6:36 am

    Sorry, you’re just not going to convince anyone that there aren’t an enormous number of bandwagon fans in “Red Sox Nation”.

  76. TomC on May 18th, 2009 8:49 am

    I was at the Pike Place Market Sunday morning and it was packed with people wearing Bosox gear. Based upon this (admittedly anecdotal) sample, I suspect there are a good number of Bosox tourists in the city who planned to catch a game while out here anyway.

    Now, whether or not these tourists are actually from the New England area is another thing entirely.

  77. 14limes on May 18th, 2009 9:53 am

    You forgot a third, and probably the most prominent, “Sox fan at an average M’s game”: the douche who’s never been to Boston and/or who started watching the Sox in ‘04.

    Actually, no, I didn’t:

    (And, yeah, okay, fairweather douches who used to wear Yankees hats before they were eclipsed. But, mostly the first two.)

    Personally, I think y’all will forget about us when the Yankees fans roll in, since they’ve been douches at least as far back as Reggie Jackson. But the Sox and Yankees are as close as there is to sports royalty, and there’s going to be a douche factor there. (And props to the M’s for milking everyone for $5 extra/ticket.) Just wait until the Cubs finally win one (if you live that long), and you’ll thank your lucky stars the M’s are in the AL.

    BTW, it’s 46 and light rain in Boston. So yeah, 70s and sun in a nice new ballpark (and a retractable roof just in case) is a tourist draw. Just like $45-70 box seats, vs. $90-125 at Fenway. Or $150-375 at Yankee Stadium.

    God. The Yankee games are gonna be crawling with tourists. Someone please slap the first guy who stands up and yells DAY-O. I think that’s something we can all approve of.

  78. TranquilPsychosis on May 18th, 2009 10:44 am

    Sure there is a statement game. A team’s 4th win in the world series kind of says it all, doesn’t it?

  79. frozenrope on May 18th, 2009 10:45 am

    We can’t send Yuni all the way back to Cuba, but we could ship him to Miami. Let the Marlins add any two players of their choice from Tacoma. All we want in return is Hanley–someone to hit #3 or 4 for us who would actually hit his weight. Ramirez is wearing out his welcome down there, so let’s solve their problem and ours, all in the same deal…

  80. jmb13 on May 18th, 2009 4:37 pm

    Actually, no, I didn’t:

    (And, yeah, okay, fairweather douches who used to wear Yankees hats before they were eclipsed. But, mostly the first two.)

    Personally, I think y’all will forget about us when the Yankees fans roll in, since they’ve been douches at least as far back as Reggie Jackson. But the Sox and Yankees are as close as there is to sports royalty, and there’s going to be a douche factor there.

    I’ve been going to M’s games all my life (21 years), and I don’t remember there EVER being as huge a Yankees turn out as the Sox have had in recent years, usually the large numbers seem to be there in order to boo the Yanks, or because they are a draw for the home fans. That may be attributed to the fact that back when the Yankees were really good, the M’s were also really good. Also, more fans boo the Yankees at Safeco than will ever boo the Sox, because they are the evil empire. What I was saying is that people liked being in the Red Sox nation, they were the underdog, and were supposedly cursed. It was easy to be on their side, to be apart of the struggle, then came ultimate success. Sox fans didn’t used to be douchey, they had nothing to be douchey about, but now since they have won it twice in the last 5 years, they are huge douches. There’s always been a hatred of the Yankees in Seattle, especially since ’01, so people naturally started rooting for the Sox building their fanbase in Seattle even more.

    Honestly I like Yankees fans better than Sox fans. They don’t seem as bandwagony and douchey. They at least have a long history of immense success in which to root their fandom.

  81. sib on May 18th, 2009 7:18 pm

    This is rank ignorant bullshit, which entirely and forever establishes that you weren’t around for the playoff-contention Mariners, or that you have a hearing problem or memory loss.

    Hmm, been here since ’99, as I said; made no claims as to earlier or later arrival.

    “Rank, ignorant bullshit,” huh? Sure am glad I voluntarily contributed money to this site. Such a cheery welcome when observing something that many of my Seattle-local friends have also noticed when compared to many other sports locales.

    But, at least I’ve got no hearing problems and no memory issues yet ;-)

    M’s fans are fine cheering, given any reason or motivation to do so. That you don’t think they’re loud enough now does not equate to a lack of ability.

    I see, so they’re only able to cheer when they’re winning (or at least strongly contending for) the playoffs? That sounds fairly weak to me. Actually kind of sounds like the “bandwagon-ish” behavior of which everyone’s accusing Boston fans.

  82. DMZ on May 18th, 2009 7:22 pm

    I’ll go refund your $10 since you’re now dissatisfied with the site.

  83. sib on May 18th, 2009 7:35 pm

    Did I say I was dissatisfied with the site?

    (And please don’t make it sound like I asked for a refund.)

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