Game 42, Angels at Mariners

Dave · May 21, 2009 at 7:26 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Saunders vs Bedard.

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82 Responses to “Game 42, Angels at Mariners”

  1. SpokaneDan on May 21st, 2009 7:28 pm

    Yay!

  2. juneau_fan on May 21st, 2009 7:29 pm

    First at bat, and we’re already hearing how hard Beltre hit the ball.

    This may be the night I finally go mad.

  3. argh on May 21st, 2009 7:30 pm

    You can’t get a decent GIDP if you don’t sting it a little. Dribblers are asking for trouble.

  4. enazario on May 21st, 2009 7:37 pm

    According to Bill Krueger Bedard should stop trying to strikeout people.

  5. juneau_fan on May 21st, 2009 7:38 pm

    I don’t care if Randy Johnson is Moses himself, why are we acting like we want him to win the game when he’s here?

    Worse yet, they’re probably going to be on a hug watch with he and Griffey. Ugh.

  6. ScottBrowne on May 21st, 2009 7:45 pm

    Worse yet, they’re probably going to be on a hug watch with he and Griffey.

    It’s too bad they didn’t hire Joey to be the manager. We could have had a group hug.

  7. bilbo27 on May 21st, 2009 7:46 pm

    I personally hope he loses; I mean, I’m an m’s fan not a giants fan. Maybe if he was going for his 300th I’d feel different (always fun to be at games witnessing such milestones). But he’s not, so I hope the M’s tattoo him.

    I will be shocked if Johnson wins this Friday though really. Our lineup as anemic as it is, at least can hit lefties pretty well (so long as they aren’t too good ;-) . And Johnson is hardly that good anymore. It will be nice to see the M’s put up some runs for a change. *waits for mariners offense to somehow, someway figure out a way to let Johnson shut them out and cause me to facepalm yet again*

  8. SpokaneDan on May 21st, 2009 7:47 pm

    They are just trying to sell tickets. It’s their job.

  9. bilbo27 on May 21st, 2009 7:49 pm

    Question. What year was it that major league baseball officially made steroids against the rules? Was it 2004 or 2005?

  10. SpokaneDan on May 21st, 2009 7:53 pm

    2005

  11. cgmonk on May 21st, 2009 7:59 pm

    Is anyone else hearing the sound of a camera shutter on the tv broadcast?

  12. joser on May 21st, 2009 8:01 pm

    They’re still not against the rules, if you have a “therapeutic exemption.”

  13. juneau_fan on May 21st, 2009 8:06 pm

    Second at bat, second endless reference to hitting the ball hard.

    HEH! Ichiro.

  14. bilbo27 on May 21st, 2009 8:07 pm

    [see comment guidelines]

  15. pumpkinhead on May 21st, 2009 8:10 pm

    Beltre looks absolutely terrible at the plate. He’s got to be close to 0-for-May… I wonder what his deal is. Maybe he’s got the Sexson syndrome?

  16. feingarden on May 21st, 2009 8:12 pm

    Another “hit the ball hard” reference for those of you keeping score at home…

    Did I miss some discussion somewhere about putting an 0-for-23 hitter in the #2 spot? I’m not strong on “conventional baseball wisdom” but this still doesn’t make a whole lotta sense to me. (Apologies if this has already been beaten to death.)

  17. bilbo27 on May 21st, 2009 8:15 pm

    I’ve always thought Beltre’s problem is that he tries waaaay too hard out there.

    If you look over his career he bats about 30 points lower with RISP over what he bats without (if my memory serves). Even in 2004, his big year, it was something more like 40 or 50 points under his BA at the time with RISP over not.

    Further, last year he batted something like .202 with RISP. So Wak putting him as the cleanup hitter more or less all year thus far, isn’t exactly a recipe for success for Beltre.

    I mean you want to praise the guy for his desire to do well out there, but at the same time you kind of want to smack him upside the head and say “relax out there!” :-) It just seems like with RISP he swings waaaay harder than situations where he leads off an inning or the like. Wak’s recent comments about Beltre’s mental struggles out there seem to indicate this is just getting worse and worse this year as his slump progresses.

  18. joser on May 21st, 2009 8:19 pm

    Man, Oakland had another back-breaker tonight.

    All tied up in the top of the 9th, and Percival blew the save (effectively, if not technically) by walking two guys and then giving up a single to Giambi to load the bases (that should’ve been the go-ahead RBI, but pinch runner Rajai Davis screwed up and somehow only got to third from second on a hit that went off the outfield wall). That was it for Percival, and the next reliever gave up an RBI single and then walked in another run.

    So Oakland had a two run cushion going into the bottom of the 9th, and it should be in the bag, right? Oh, wait, Oakland needs a bullpen. Andrew Bailey (who?) gave up a 2 run HR to Zobrist (this guy is a switch hitter who can play shortstop and already has gone 4 of 12 with three homers and nine RBIs as a pinch hitter so far this season… suck that, Yuni). So the score’s tied, and a pitching change, a walk, and a double later, Carl Crawford hits the walk-off RBI single.

    There’s a reason why the Mariners, as bad as they’ve been lately, aren’t at the bottom of the AL West.

  19. juneau_fan on May 21st, 2009 8:21 pm

    I’m going to sound like one of those horrible “I know what I see” fans, but I was at a game two years ago, (I think it was the game when Palmiro got his 3K hit because they stopped the game for that cheater. Anyway.) great seats right next to the 3rd base.

    Beltre was in that year’s slump and maybe he booted a ball? Anyway, fans were heckling him, and I was shocked that I could see he was listening. Sure, he was staring in at the game, but you know when someone’s trying to ignore words but still listening.

    I wanted to yell out at him: Be a professional! Don’t listen to these drunks! You’re too good!

    But maybe he’s not. Maybe he listens to a lot of heckling in his own head.

  20. natebracy on May 21st, 2009 8:30 pm

    Is this the game thread? It seems quiet. Too quiet…

  21. pumpkinhead on May 21st, 2009 8:31 pm

    Calm before the storm?

  22. Mike Snow on May 21st, 2009 8:31 pm

    It got a late start.

  23. natebracy on May 21st, 2009 8:34 pm

    like our offense.

  24. Russ on May 21st, 2009 8:34 pm

    Is this the game thread? It seems quiet. Too quiet…

    Unrequited rumors will do this to a fanbase.

  25. joser on May 21st, 2009 8:34 pm

    If you look over his career he bats about 30 points lower with RISP over what he bats without (if my memory serves).

    It doesn’t.

    Beltre career OPS: .780
    Career OPS with RISP: .781

    (B-R)

  26. SpokaneDan on May 21st, 2009 8:34 pm

    One hit through 4 innings against a left hander? This is depressing. Saunders isn’t even that sharp tonight, 3 walks.

  27. juneau_fan on May 21st, 2009 8:36 pm

    The double-plays are killing them, as usual.

  28. joser on May 21st, 2009 8:37 pm

    (and his average is .269 overall, .264 with RISP)

  29. joser on May 21st, 2009 8:37 pm

    The double-plays are killing them, as usual.

    It’s like Vidro never left.

  30. juneau_fan on May 21st, 2009 8:39 pm

    And again, I ask, if Ichiro actually gets into the seats to catch a ball, is it a fair catch?

  31. SpokaneDan on May 21st, 2009 8:40 pm

    Have to agree with Kruger, you really don’t want to see Bedard throw curves like that for K’s. (Tongue firmly in cheek)

  32. pumpkinhead on May 21st, 2009 8:41 pm

    I think climbing the wall is ok, but I don’t think you can go into the seats to catch a ball.

    I haven’t looked at the rulebook though, so I could be mistaken.

  33. natebracy on May 21st, 2009 8:41 pm

    Rally time!

  34. juneau_fan on May 21st, 2009 8:44 pm

    If Jeter can fall four rows back and come up with ball, it has to be all right?

    But I assume he caught the ball before hitting the seats and it was a matter of forward progress.

    Ichiro, I imagine getting up and into a seat, stealing a few fries, before catching the ball.

    Ah, DP coming up.

  35. SpokaneDan on May 21st, 2009 8:45 pm

    Here comes a bunt.

  36. CC03 on May 21st, 2009 8:45 pm

    Yuni and Lopez both going the other way for hits.

    That just blew my mind.

  37. joser on May 21st, 2009 8:46 pm

    So your 2009 Mariners Kings of the Walk are:
    Griffey: 21
    Branyan: 16
    Gutierrez: 15
    Chavez: 11

    That’s everybody with double digits so far. Notice something? They’re all new this year, brought in by the new regime. Coincidence? I don’t think so. (Of course Griffey is a special case for a couple of reasons, but as an indication of an organizational philosophy… I like it).

  38. SpokaneDan on May 21st, 2009 8:46 pm

    Then you walk Ichiro intentionally to face Beltre. I would rather let Franklin hit.

  39. SpokaneDan on May 21st, 2009 8:50 pm

    That could not have gone more horribly.

  40. CC03 on May 21st, 2009 8:50 pm

    Well that blew chunks.

  41. zach in spokane on May 21st, 2009 8:50 pm

    I can’t believe this left handed junk monkey is shutting us out.

  42. pumpkinhead on May 21st, 2009 8:51 pm

    That’s two times Ichiro has been caught in the bases tonight… what is going ooooooon! It’s like they’re trying to find how many ways they can give away outs.

  43. The George Sherrill Collection on May 21st, 2009 8:52 pm

    This game certainly sucks.

  44. Russ on May 21st, 2009 8:55 pm

    if Ichiro actually gets into the seats to catch a ball, is it a fair catch?

    Nothing specifically about going into the stands. There is one rule about going into the dogout. The link goes to universal ground rules and then some park specific rules.

    href=”http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/umpires/ground_rules.jsp”>

  45. Russ on May 21st, 2009 8:56 pm

    Well that link blows.

  46. Russ on May 21st, 2009 8:57 pm

    and my spelling.

  47. juneau_fan on May 21st, 2009 9:01 pm

    Great, it’s been so long he can’t remember how to run the bases.

  48. cgmonk on May 21st, 2009 9:02 pm

    Beltre breaks his 0-23 slump with a single!

  49. ScottBrowne on May 21st, 2009 9:02 pm

    As much as I like Beltre, it would have been hilarious if he would have gotten thrown out right there.

  50. juneau_fan on May 21st, 2009 9:02 pm

    I like the idea of a dogout. Ichiro’s dog, sitting on the bench, waiting for him, would totally rock.

  51. SpokaneDan on May 21st, 2009 9:02 pm

    “The attempted double steal?” I miss Rizz on FSN so much.

  52. joser on May 21st, 2009 9:04 pm

    The comment on the definition of a catch says:

    A fielder may reach over a fence, railing, rope or other line of demarcation to make a catch. He may jump on top of a railing, or canvas that may be in foul ground. No interference should be allowed when a fielder reaches over a fence, railing, rope or into a stand to catch a ball. He does so at his own risk.

    If a fielder, attempting a catch at the edge of the dugout, is “held up” and kept from an apparent fall by a player or players of either team and the catch is made, it shall be allowed.

    That’s a fair bit of leeway; I expect they’re not more explicit because it falls under “ground rules” that Russ linked — there may be different rules for different stadiums, and indeed for different parts of any given stadium. Past catches by players who jumped/fell completely into a dugout or the stands suggest that as long as you’re still touching the wall/railing when you make first contact with the ball, and you hang onto it, it’ll be a fair catch even if you end up completely in the seats by the end of it. Buhner’s semi-famous catch at Fenway when he fell completely over the wall might be instructive too: it was a fair catch, but he had been told (when he asked the umps earlier that day) he had to get back onto the field before he could throw it in.

    Given the way he approaches every other aspect of the game, I’m quite sure Ichiro has talked to the umpires or otherwise researched the rules carefully. I’d guess that Ichiro isn’t going to climb any farther than would be allowed for a fair catch, so wherever he gets to is ipso facto fair (and since he can get to anywhere, anywhere he doesn’t bother going is by definition not).

  53. juneau_fan on May 21st, 2009 9:05 pm

    One of those home run thingies would be great right now.

  54. joser on May 21st, 2009 9:06 pm

    You know you have an offensively-challenged team when a two run deficit seems insurmountable.

  55. jvalentine on May 21st, 2009 9:07 pm

    This Mariner offense is so anemic it is painful. The last two nights have been just painful to watch. 14 scoreless innings in a row…

  56. joser on May 21st, 2009 9:13 pm

    Hmmm. Brandon Morrow, your new long reliever?

  57. feingarden on May 21st, 2009 9:14 pm

    We’re reduced to cheering base hits now? Reminds me of my days in the student section of Martin Stadium cheering wildly for Cougar first downs. Have we really come to this? So soon?

  58. SpokaneDan on May 21st, 2009 9:16 pm

    Morrow looked great in that inning. That is encouraging.

  59. juneau_fan on May 21st, 2009 9:16 pm

    They can get a base hit; it’s just getting more than two that’s the problem.

  60. ScottBrowne on May 21st, 2009 9:19 pm

    Good AB, Kenji.

  61. Axtell on May 21st, 2009 9:19 pm

    Morrow really looking sharp tonight…seems to be mixing up his pitches a lot more than his struggles trying to close. Hopefully this gives him confidence to use more than just his heater to get guys out when he goes back to the closer role.

  62. juneau_fan on May 21st, 2009 9:19 pm

    this is painful.

  63. jvalentine on May 21st, 2009 9:21 pm

    Hmmm. Brandon Morrow, your new long reliever?

    Put him back in the rotation. Tell him to stop worrying about his diabetes.

    Here is a quick list of famous athletes with the disease who seem to have little to no problem competing at a high level…

    -Adam Morrison (ok only in college)
    -Gary Hall Jr. (Olympic swimmer – 10 medals)
    -Joe Frazier
    -Jay Cutler
    -David Wells
    -Arthur Ashe

    Why can’t Brandon?

  64. Axtell on May 21st, 2009 9:22 pm

    Gotta love Saunders getting the M’s out on SEVEN pitches.

  65. ScottBrowne on May 21st, 2009 9:26 pm

    Wow.

  66. Paul L on May 21st, 2009 9:26 pm

    Using my best Caddyshack voice:

    Oh he got alla dat one!

  67. juneau_fan on May 21st, 2009 9:27 pm

    Three solo HRs for the Angels tonight…and one? Two? Extra basehits for the Mariners.

  68. jvalentine on May 21st, 2009 9:28 pm

    Yuni FTW!!!

  69. Mike Snow on May 21st, 2009 9:28 pm

    Trade Betancourt!

  70. ScottBrowne on May 21st, 2009 9:29 pm

    They should give Betancourt the gold glove right now.

  71. Axtell on May 21st, 2009 9:31 pm

    Generous ruling calling that a ‘hit’.

  72. Paul L on May 21st, 2009 9:32 pm

    How many friggin’ (Figgin?) extra pitches does this guy cost our pitching staff?

    Put anyone else out there, please.

  73. AssumedName on May 21st, 2009 9:35 pm

    Stark? Punting the game?

  74. juneau_fan on May 21st, 2009 9:36 pm

    At some point, Denny, you’re going to have to throw the ball…that’s more like it.

  75. JMHawkins on May 21st, 2009 9:56 pm

    AT this point, both teams have 5 hits and 3 walks. The Angles have made three more outs than the M’s. Angels pitchers have thrown 116 pitches. Mariners pitchers 173.

  76. juneau_fan on May 21st, 2009 10:02 pm

    Nice effort running Lopez. Shouldn’t a second baseman have some speed and athleticism?

  77. low on May 21st, 2009 10:48 pm

    Re: ichiro’s catch

    I’ve actually seen fly balls caught outside the stadium so I’m pretty sure it’s legal.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZctK3J-o4I

    I’m worried not even Bugs could save the M’s season this year. 1st place was fun while it lasted!

  78. jephdood on May 21st, 2009 11:10 pm

    Our offense is a damn embarrassment.

  79. ThundaPC on May 21st, 2009 11:13 pm

    I didn’t know Joe Saunders knew how to pitch like a right-handed sinker/slider guy.

  80. Kazinski on May 22nd, 2009 12:09 am

    Dave Sims:

    To give you an idea what kind of night the M’s have had they’ve seen 10 or fewer pitches in 3 innings.

    An average night?

  81. jephdood on May 22nd, 2009 1:03 am

    The M’s are (in MLB):

    27th in runs scored
    30th in walks
    Tied for 4th in GDP’s

    Yay.

  82. Jake N. on May 22nd, 2009 7:18 am

    I am beginning Not to like this teams coaching staff. Their inability to hit the ball the other way is vexing. Saunders is a control, change of speed lefty with an average FB. The Mariners spent the entire night rolling over pitches on the outside of the plate right to 3rd and SS. There is no excuse for a team other then they just won’t listen or learn. And in that case you should be fired, Sent down, traded, or beaten with sticks in Yuni’s case.
    Saunders is a good lefty, nothing extra ordinary, just good. WE made him look like Cy Young. What happened? Are line up is built to pound leftys? Wak for me you are on notice, In my book last night is inexcuseable.

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