Game 50, Mariners at Angels

DMZ · May 30, 2009 at 5:56 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Felix v Palmer. Betancourt’s at #2 again, Rob Johnson is… playing and despite being so bad you might plausibly DH for him instead of Felix if you were allowed, he’s batting #7 ahead of Chavez and Gutierrez. I don’t get it, but whatever, right? Go team!

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159 Responses to “Game 50, Mariners at Angels”

  1. 1000N on May 30th, 2009 5:59 pm

    Rex Hudler pointed out during the pregame show that the reason the Angels have had such success against Felix is that he isn’t establishing his fastball early enough against the patient Angels hitters. Bill Krueger then agreed with him. Sigh. . . .

  2. The Nickster on May 30th, 2009 6:08 pm

    So…. if we win this series, does that mean we’re still in the race and should not start looking for trades? I think it just postpones the inevitable.

    This team is not going to challenge for the division title or the wildcard. It just doesn’t have the offense. Winning either tonight or tomorrow will just prolong the process. So… as much as I want the Ms to win the series, it’s probably better if they don’t.

  3. Sports on a Schtick on May 30th, 2009 6:09 pm

    IQ > Fastball MPH

    Make this happen Felix.

  4. Sports on a Schtick on May 30th, 2009 6:13 pm

    Also I would normally be disappointed in Derek for not including a “Felix Day!” or “Woooooooo!” in the post but considering he just endured the greatest US/Russian conflict since Rocky IV…

  5. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 6:13 pm

    Rex Hudler pointed out during the pregame show that the reason the Angels have had such success against Felix is that he isn’t establishing his fastball early enough against the patient Angels hitters. Bill Krueger then agreed with him. Sigh. . . .

    At least management/coaching hasn’t talked like that in a while. The announcers tend to fixate on one thing and say it over and over.

    Spiro Oklahoma.

  6. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 6:17 pm

    So at what point does the Ichiro hitting streak become a major draw and feature of the season? I think it’s too early to say anything in the low 20′s, he’s done that plenty of times. But if he gets to 30…

  7. The Nickster on May 30th, 2009 6:20 pm

    To me, 30 is the magic number. A lot of players get to 30, but not many get to 35. I don’t get excited for a hit streak until it’s in the late 20s, at least. But I’ve always said Ichi was capable of a 40+ streak. Each year he loses some speed, however, it gets less likely.

  8. Marinerfan4life on May 30th, 2009 6:20 pm

    Anything above 30 would warrant attention…

  9. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 6:21 pm

    crap.

  10. naviomelo on May 30th, 2009 6:23 pm

    That inning looked so promising.

  11. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 6:25 pm

    I’m not watching it on TV, did Griffey at least TRY to beat the throw to first?

  12. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 6:26 pm

    I’m not watching it on TV, did Griffey at least TRY to beat the throw to first?

    There is no try, only…

    It’s hard to say. I didn’t check the calendar when he left the box.

  13. DMZ on May 30th, 2009 6:29 pm

    Ichiro’s only being selfish with the hitting streak, making the other hitters look bad.

  14. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 6:30 pm

    The only thing I’ve disliked about Griffey over the years is his jogging to first on routine ground balls.

  15. naviomelo on May 30th, 2009 6:30 pm

    Only 4 straight fastballs (and 12 of 17) to start the game today.

  16. DMZ on May 30th, 2009 6:33 pm

    I think Sidi wins joke of the day for that one.

  17. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 6:35 pm

    DMZ I don’t know. I think anyone who quotes Star Wars should be removed from any public recognition, no matter how small.

  18. Breadbaker on May 30th, 2009 6:37 pm

    Felix would have at least swung.

  19. Mike G. on May 30th, 2009 6:37 pm

    Don’t sell yourself short, it was the calendar comment that put you over the top.

  20. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 6:37 pm

    Maybe Johnson should start making friends with opposing pitchers. Maybe his rapport will cause them to throw a few meatballs out of pity.

  21. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 6:39 pm

    It wouldn’t matter… RJ would till have to swing at them…

  22. Jeff Nye on May 30th, 2009 6:39 pm

    I think Sidi wins joke of the day for that one.

    *gives Derek a sad look, puts away his rubber chicken*

  23. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 6:41 pm

    We could cut off his legs and make him a David Eckstein clone. He could catch without having to squat down, and he could just lean into pitches.

  24. Scottdids on May 30th, 2009 6:41 pm

    How selfish he is sliding for that ball.

  25. Breadbaker on May 30th, 2009 6:41 pm

    Selfish play by Ichiro there.

  26. juneau_fan on May 30th, 2009 6:41 pm

    How selfish of Ichiro not to dive for that catch.

  27. Mike G. on May 30th, 2009 6:42 pm

    The Eddie Gaedel approach to batting would be Johnson’s best bet.

  28. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 6:43 pm

    Actually, that might be a great trick. It sort of worked with Eddie Gaedel…but how could you call the regulation strike zone when the waist starts 2″ above the ground?

  29. Mike G. on May 30th, 2009 6:45 pm

    Perhaps a torso shortening procedure then?

  30. naviomelo on May 30th, 2009 6:49 pm

    Why do we bunt so much?

  31. Mike G. on May 30th, 2009 6:54 pm

    Why do we bunt so much?

    In Wak’s defense, swinging away hasn’t done this offense wonders either.

  32. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 6:54 pm

    Why do we bunt so much?

    In baseball it’s considered in honor to hit a bunt sacrifice. It shows you put the team ahead of yourself. Of course, the Mariners aren’t playing in Japan…

  33. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 6:55 pm

    whoops, insert “Japanese” between “in” and “Baseball”

  34. naviomelo on May 30th, 2009 7:01 pm

    Swinging away got Franklin Gutierrez a .272/.345/.367 line. Wouldn’t you take that instead of sacrificing a runner from first to second in the 3rd inning?

  35. DMZ on May 30th, 2009 7:03 pm

    Don’t make me re-do my bunt analysis, Wakamatsu. I swear I’ll do it. I’m crazy.

  36. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 7:04 pm

    Certainly, I’m just saying that in some cultures the Sacrifice is a big play. I personally can’t stand it.

  37. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 7:06 pm

    I would take a Sacrifice from Mr. GIDP himself Jose Lopez though

  38. Mike G. on May 30th, 2009 7:06 pm

    Just for the record, I don’t like it either but I can see where the guy is coming from given some of the hitters he has at his disposal.

  39. Scottdids on May 30th, 2009 7:08 pm

    I’ll give Yuni some credit for once. That was a nice turn.

    I now prepare for whatever error/strikeout/bases loaded pop up he may have in store for us.

  40. joser on May 30th, 2009 7:11 pm

    Did anyone else see “Truth and Rumors” post over at SI.com? The very first comment is priceless. (Sold! For the low, low price of Fotenot!)

  41. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 7:14 pm

    I’m confused. I’m watching ESPN Gamecast and MLB.com Gameday and the strike zones between the two are just terrible (ESPN is a good foot lower for every pitch). Either the Ump is extraordinarily inconsistent or the two dudes tracking the pitches are passing the monocle back and forth.

  42. naviomelo on May 30th, 2009 7:16 pm

    I think that the bunt from second to third is up for much more debate than bunting from first to second. I can’t find any data, but wouldn’t that increase a team’s chances of scoring? Note that I am not asking about total run expectancy, but the chance of scoring vs. not scoring.

  43. Scooter4 on May 30th, 2009 7:16 pm

    The announcers tend to fixate on one thing and say it over and over.

    Like on Opening Day when Griffey moved the runner over by unselfishly grounding out to second base?

  44. JMHawkins on May 30th, 2009 7:22 pm

    Rex Hudler pointed out during the pregame show that the reason the Angels have had such success against Felix is that he isn’t establishing his fastball early enough against the patient Angels hitters. Bill Krueger then agreed with him. Sigh. . .

    Rex may have been doing the best B’rer Rabbit bit I’ve seen in a while. Please Felix, don’t throw your fastball, anything but your fastball…

    No idea what Krueger’s excuse is.

  45. Scottdids on May 30th, 2009 7:22 pm

    I think that the bunt from second to third is up for much more debate than bunting from first to second. I can’t find any data, but wouldn’t that increase a team’s chances of scoring? Note that I am not asking about total run expectancy, but the chance of scoring vs. not scoring.

    I do believe bunting reduces the variance in runs per inning, as in your expected runs per inning goes down but your likelihood of being close to the mean goes up. I’m trying to find something concrete though. If somebody has it, let me know.

  46. Scottdids on May 30th, 2009 7:24 pm

    Yuni again! (waits for sky to fall).

  47. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 7:26 pm

    Let’s go, RoJo, here-we-go ,clap, clap…

  48. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 7:27 pm

    Can’t hurt, right?

  49. Jeff Nye on May 30th, 2009 7:34 pm

    You know where we could find a great patient lefty hitter who can hit RHP very well?

    The Mexican League!

  50. DMZ on May 30th, 2009 7:35 pm

    Wait wait wait… have they seriously been talking about how great Felix is when he mixes his pitches and his over-reliance on fastballs?

    Because that can’t be, can it?

    Can it?

  51. juneau_fan on May 30th, 2009 7:38 pm

    Does anyone want to win this game?

  52. z4ec on May 30th, 2009 7:39 pm

    Sims: (Felix) with minimal pitches to get through the inning, with just 8 pitches.

    Ugh…genius. Minimal pitches to get through an inning would be THREE pitches to get 3 outs.

  53. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 7:40 pm

    Ugh…genius. Minimal pitches to get through an inning would be THREE pitches to get 3 outs.

    That would be minimum, not minimal.

  54. Jeff Nye on May 30th, 2009 7:41 pm

    Minimum and minimal aren’t necessarily the same thing.

  55. naviomelo on May 30th, 2009 7:41 pm

    If I am reading this right, bunting a runner from 2nd to 3rd with nobody out substantially increases the chances of scoring exactly one run, but the results would have to be aggregated for all run-scoring scenarios to be able to declare with certainty whether or not this is a logical play.

  56. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 7:41 pm

    Why was he thinking about extending that?

  57. z4ec on May 30th, 2009 7:42 pm

    That would be minimum, not minimal.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/minimal

  58. DMZ on May 30th, 2009 7:47 pm

    People have done that aggregation.

  59. juneau_fan on May 30th, 2009 7:50 pm

    I will say, the Mariners do seem to be playing this series well, which is more than can be said about the last couple of weeks’ games. Now, if they could score….

  60. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 7:52 pm

    Is Abreu trying to take the title of King of GIDP?

  61. juneau_fan on May 30th, 2009 7:52 pm

    Except for Johnson.

  62. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 7:54 pm

    Where’s Dan Wilson when you need him?

  63. JerBear on May 30th, 2009 7:55 pm

    Johnson is a friggin moron.

    Also, so is Vladdy sometimes.

  64. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 7:56 pm

    A double play and two Ks for the innning. Odd.

  65. Mike G. on May 30th, 2009 7:57 pm

    Well, now that the inning is over, I give the Mariners full permission to score 5 runs this next inning.

  66. JerBear on May 30th, 2009 7:58 pm

    Seriously… how does Johnson have a job as a “catcher”???

    Can we at least have our back-up catcher play at the same time as Johnson, and, you know… back him up?

  67. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 8:01 pm

    Wait… JerBear, are you saying that the Catcher’s job is to “catch” the ball? That’s crazy talk!

  68. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 8:03 pm

    The Mariners are making Palmer look like Randy Johnson…

  69. Mike G. on May 30th, 2009 8:05 pm

    The Rob Johnson experiment was cute, for a little while but it’s over now. Can we move on, Please?

  70. Coolalvin206 on May 30th, 2009 8:05 pm

    Imagine that..Mariners can’t score runs.

    Just brutal

  71. Mike G. on May 30th, 2009 8:07 pm

    I see the Wonder Twins are rubbing off on Branyan.

  72. juneau_fan on May 30th, 2009 8:13 pm

    Dammit.

  73. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 8:15 pm

    What’s the Mariners rate of Base runners reached via Error scoring? It’s gotta be high…

  74. JerBear on May 30th, 2009 8:21 pm

    I love how Sims and Blow keep talking about that pitch in the dirt that got away from Johnson and saying:

    “Well that one just hit him right in the mask… not much he could do about that…”

    Except, you know, put his glove up and catch it.

  75. juneau_fan on May 30th, 2009 8:45 pm

    Now I hate Morrow. The list keeps growing.

  76. mln on May 30th, 2009 8:45 pm

    Brandow Morrow in da house!

    Ugh.

  77. themedia on May 30th, 2009 8:45 pm

    I have total and complete confidence in Yuni.

  78. fiftyone on May 30th, 2009 8:46 pm

    You can’t hit a three-run homer with the bases empty, Adrian.

  79. Rick L on May 30th, 2009 8:48 pm

    Do you think a team of ex-Mariners playing for other teams could beat this collection?

  80. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 8:49 pm

    You can’t hit a three-run homer with the bases empty, Adrian.

    You can’t hit a three-run homer, Ken.

  81. fiftyone on May 30th, 2009 8:50 pm

    Hope. Mr. Clutch is up.

  82. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 8:50 pm

    Do you think a team of ex-Mariners playing for other teams could beat this collection?

    Easily. I think, with some work, you could easily put together a lineup that would win 75% of the games against them.

  83. naviomelo on May 30th, 2009 8:51 pm

    YEAH!!!!!!!!

  84. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 8:51 pm

    Loafie pulls through!

  85. mln on May 30th, 2009 8:51 pm

    Time for Jose Lopez to show why he’s considered clutch.

  86. Scooter4 on May 30th, 2009 8:51 pm

    LOPEY!!!!!!!!!

  87. Mike Snow on May 30th, 2009 8:51 pm

    Just to remind everyone, this does not mean Jose Lopez is clutch.

  88. cgmonk on May 30th, 2009 8:51 pm

    Lopez!

  89. Rick L on May 30th, 2009 8:51 pm

    Maybe we should keep Lopez after all.

  90. Mike G. on May 30th, 2009 8:51 pm

    Lopez is SOOOOOOOOOOOO clutch.

  91. fiftyone on May 30th, 2009 8:51 pm

    Oh snap.

  92. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 8:51 pm

    Holy $h!t!

  93. mikelb420 on May 30th, 2009 8:52 pm

    Trade him now while his value is high:)

  94. Pat Dillon on May 30th, 2009 8:52 pm

    You gotta love the former AquaSock goin’ deep against the former AquaSock!!

  95. juneau_fan on May 30th, 2009 8:52 pm

    And naturally Johnson kills it. But not to ruminate, but if Morrow had chocked up a couple more runs, we’d be winning.

  96. themedia on May 30th, 2009 8:53 pm

    Wow. Now how will we blow this…?

  97. Flowin on May 30th, 2009 8:53 pm

    Geez… just makes me wistful. If Wak hadn’t conceded the game by bringing in Morrow in the bottom of the 8th, we would be up by 2 runs right now.

    Morrow has no place on this team until he can figure out a second pitch.

  98. JerBear on May 30th, 2009 8:53 pm

    Holy frick!!! J-lo!!!!

  99. mln on May 30th, 2009 8:54 pm

    Clutch lives!

    Sabermetrics be damned!

  100. Flowin on May 30th, 2009 8:54 pm

    I actually trust Batista here.. lets hold them and win this game.

    Damn Morrow… :(

  101. themedia on May 30th, 2009 8:55 pm

    The answer to my former question: Miguel Batista.

  102. JerBear on May 30th, 2009 8:55 pm

    So yeah, judging by the comment timeline mlb.tv is way behind the real feed. :)

  103. Mike Snow on May 30th, 2009 8:57 pm

    Jose Lopez vs. RHP: .189/.230/.291
    Jose Lopez vs. LHP: .286/.328/.446

  104. JerBear on May 30th, 2009 8:58 pm

    The good thing about never expecting any offense is that moments like Lopey’s HR are always awesome surprises.

  105. Flowin on May 30th, 2009 8:58 pm

    **Sigh**

    Here we go.

  106. crazyray7391 on May 30th, 2009 8:58 pm

    Wow. Now how will we blow this…?

    Enter Miguel Batista

  107. mln on May 30th, 2009 9:00 pm

    Time for Yuni to pull off a spectacular double play.

  108. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 9:00 pm

    Here would be one place where the sacrifice makes sense, mathematically.

  109. Flowin on May 30th, 2009 9:03 pm

    Even if we blow this, one good thing will be that Felix wont get tagged with another tough-luck loss.

  110. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 9:03 pm

    Nice little play there.

  111. Flowin on May 30th, 2009 9:04 pm

    Wow… I think we should walk Abreu here to get to Guerrero.

    As weird as that sounds.

  112. naviomelo on May 30th, 2009 9:04 pm

    Even if we blow this, one good thing will be that Felix wont get tagged with another tough-luck loss.

    For anyone that cares about those sort of things.

  113. Flowin on May 30th, 2009 9:05 pm

    Hey.. how do I do what you just did naviomelo??

    How do I incorporate previous quotes?

  114. juneau_fan on May 30th, 2009 9:09 pm

    It’s what that bquote button does, Flowin.

    Whoo-hoo Balentien! And it’s the battle of bunts!

  115. Mike Snow on May 30th, 2009 9:10 pm

    Okay, maybe Derek won’t need to revisit his Wakamatsu bunting strategy post.

  116. fiftyone on May 30th, 2009 9:10 pm

    Bunting ahead of Ichiro… Hmmmmmmmm…

  117. Flowin on May 30th, 2009 9:10 pm

    Is this it?

  118. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 9:10 pm

    Too bad they’re throwing it way out of the catcher’s box (and that whole rule has been ignored). Ichiro poking a little looper to score the run during an intentional walk would have been hilarious.

  119. mln on May 30th, 2009 9:11 pm

    Time for Yuni to become a HERO.

  120. Flowin on May 30th, 2009 9:11 pm

    Is this it?

    Guess not.

  121. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 9:12 pm

    Even Yuni won’t swing on that one. Often.

  122. Scooter4 on May 30th, 2009 9:12 pm

    So yeah, judging by the comment timeline mlb.tv is way behind the real feed.

    The NexDef feed is always a couple of minutes behind the TV feed.

  123. juneau_fan on May 30th, 2009 9:12 pm

    Hit bquote once, cut and paste words, hit it again to close them. You didn’t close.

    Damn you, Yuni, if you fuck this up…..run!!

    Wheee!!!!!

  124. DMZ on May 30th, 2009 9:13 pm

    OHHHH MANNNNNN

  125. Flowin on May 30th, 2009 9:13 pm

    Shouldnt Ichiro be stealing here to prevent the inevitable GIDP???

  126. juneau_fan on May 30th, 2009 9:13 pm

    Damn Fat Fingers ALWAYS appeals runners leaving third early. He and Beltre are like clockwork.

  127. DMZ on May 30th, 2009 9:13 pm

    You can also cut and paste words, then highlight them and hit the bqoute button

  128. Flowin on May 30th, 2009 9:14 pm

    Hit bquote once, cut and paste words, hit it again to close them. You didn’t close.

    Thanks.. I appreciate it.

    And Go Yuni!!!

  129. mln on May 30th, 2009 9:14 pm

    Yuni is also … clutch.

  130. Scooter4 on May 30th, 2009 9:14 pm

    Worst sac fly ever?

  131. Breadbaker on May 30th, 2009 9:16 pm

    What was that swing, Junior?

  132. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 9:16 pm

    “A chance for Junior!”

    And then he spins around, swinging at a pitch two feet outside the strike zone the catcher had to dive for.

  133. Breadbaker on May 30th, 2009 9:19 pm

    And against a guy he was 2 for 3 against. Proof that batter-pitcher matchups are not meaningful.

  134. Sidi on May 30th, 2009 9:22 pm

    And a real double play! Tagged bags and everything.

  135. fiftyone on May 30th, 2009 9:22 pm

    I don’t want Double-A to blow this one, but it seems like a night made for drama. And he’s always good for a nice … Double play?!? Dude.

  136. Breadbaker on May 30th, 2009 9:22 pm

    Nice double play, Double A.

  137. mikelb420 on May 30th, 2009 9:22 pm

    NICE DP

  138. naviomelo on May 30th, 2009 9:23 pm

    Mariners win!!!!

  139. Flowin on May 30th, 2009 9:24 pm

    I love when we steal games like this… :)

    Tomorrow, with Bedard (I think) we have a legitimate chance for a sweep..

  140. juneau_fan on May 30th, 2009 9:24 pm

    That was a sweet win. Another good game, at the end.

  141. TJ Dirk on May 30th, 2009 9:25 pm

    F— YES!

  142. cgmonk on May 30th, 2009 9:25 pm

    Win percentage was down to 1.2% in the 9th.

  143. Sports on a Schtick on May 30th, 2009 9:26 pm

    Snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. No win for the Angles, no loss for Felix. How sweet it is.

  144. Scottdids on May 30th, 2009 9:26 pm

    Not Bedard, its Olson tomorrow. But Ervin Santana and his possibly injured arm are going for Anaheim.. errrr.. Los Angeles.

  145. msb on May 30th, 2009 9:27 pm

    Wacky.

  146. fiftyone on May 30th, 2009 9:30 pm

    Ervin Santana, whom the rest of the league treats like Ervin *Johnson*, then who usually morphs into *Johan* Santana when the M’s come around.

  147. juneau_fan on May 30th, 2009 9:34 pm

    What the hell’s wrong with Bedard now? Does he want out of this town or not! *storming off to find out*

  148. mln on May 30th, 2009 9:35 pm

    The M’s are slowing inching their way towards .500.

    AL West watch out!

  149. georgmi on May 30th, 2009 9:40 pm

    Win percentage was down to 1.2% in the 9th.

    That’s why they keep playing ‘em, I guess.

    One game back of 2nd, two games back of .500. I am the happy. Ish.

  150. jld on May 30th, 2009 9:40 pm

    Can anyone explain how appealing to the ump works? I’ve googled around and can’t find anything.

    Why does the pitcher need to take the mound and then check the base?

  151. bilbo27 on May 30th, 2009 9:42 pm

    Nothing’s wrong with Bedard. It was jak’s spot, but they wanted to see Olsen one (possibly two) more times before RRS comes back, so Jak is back in the pen and Olsen soon will be (at least until the inevitable trading of Bedard and Washburn).

    And actually, it’s a shame they have no offense with this rotation. A healthy Felix, Bedard, (new) Washburn, Vargas, and RRS isn’t too shabby at all. Get Kelly back and Cordero later and the bullpen is pretty nice too, especially if Morrow would stop being 2009 Morrow. ;-)

  152. Mike Snow on May 30th, 2009 9:45 pm

    Morrow needs to go to Tacoma. While he’s down there he can think about whether he really wants to be a closer.

  153. tgf on May 30th, 2009 10:05 pm

    Why does the pitcher need to take the mound and then check the base?

    If time-out has been called after a play, play must be resumed to make an appeal. So to do this, the pitcher steps on the mound and the ump signals that play has resumed when the batter gets into the box. At that point, the pitcher can appeal.

    (Basically it’s just to make play resume before appealing.)

  154. juneau_fan on May 30th, 2009 10:08 pm

    Thanks, bilbo. I have nothing wrong with skipping Jak. I think we have the answer to that big drama of yesterday’s game, WHERE WILL RRS FIT IN???

  155. Breadbaker on May 30th, 2009 10:14 pm

    Morrow needs to go to Tacoma. While he’s down there he can think about whether he really wants to be a closer.

    I agree with the first sentence. Right now, the second sentence is sort of irrelevant. Aardsma is doing quite well as a closer. We have Fields. Plus, Aardsma proves that you can find guys on the literal scrap heap who can close games if given the chance. Morrow needs to go to Tacoma to prove to management there’s a reason he should be on a major league roster.

  156. justcruisn on May 30th, 2009 10:58 pm

    Agree with Breadbaker. Morrow is better suited to be a starter. He needs to go to the minors to learn to be a pitcher rather than a thrower. He needs an off-speed pitch that he has confidence in. Right now, he’s hurting us, but he has great potential. Let’s give him the development time he never got before being thrust into the major leagues. He’s worth the investment.

  157. bilbo27 on May 31st, 2009 12:38 am

    I also didn’t like Morrow’s recent comments that seemed to imply that the reason he gave up on being a starter in spring training was just because he didn’t want to go down to Tacoma.

    In spring training supposedly it was about his diabetes. But now from his comments, it looks like it was really about him knowing that as the closer, he wouldn’t necessarily need any time in Tacoma (though in truth he did need some ;-) ).

    If it’s truly not about his diabetes, then even if he was the most dominant relief pitcher in the game right now, I’d still say send him down to Tacoma for the year to work on his secondary pitches and we’ll see him in September. But that’s just me. Potential #1 or #2 starter > potential dominant reliever.

  158. joser on May 31st, 2009 9:37 am

    It’s funny, and more than a little sad, that the team has a former first round draft pick who currently helps the team most when he doesn’t play.

    I don’t want to speculate on Morrow’s thinking, nor on the particulars of his medical condition (and familiarity with diabetes in others doesn’t necessarily give any insight into his case). He’s given several different reasons for his decision to make “Closer” his goal, and it’s unclear if he believes each of them at different times or he doesn’t know for sure himself. It’s probably a combination of things, depending on who he talked to last (his agent, his coach, his doctor…) and how he felt that day. It’s pointless for us to speculate without all the information — and ultimately it doesn’t matter anyway.

    I agree, his development was screwed up by the priorities of the previous regime, and he needs time in Tacoma — to (re-?)master a second pitch he has confidence in, and to learn to pitch. While he’s down there, he should be encouraged to stretch out into appearances of more than one inning, and to further ponder his career choices. He may discover that going out for more than one, high-intensity inning isn’t as hard as he thinks. And — given that the Mariners have a perfectly adequate closer at the moment, and Morrow thus amounts to the most overqualified (and yet ineffective) setup guy in the team’s history — he may (with some prompting) reconsider a career trajectory that is poised to make him the biggest disappointment of his draft class.

    He’s tasted the good life, and as Dave predicted when the previous FO put him on this path, he hasn’t wanted to give it up. But right now he’s not a major league pitcher in any role, so the minors is the only sensible place for him. The sooner the better, but RRS will be coming up soon so there’s going to be some reshuffling of the pen anyway. C’mon Jack, just do it.

  159. rjfrik on May 31st, 2009 12:25 pm

    What a game i went to last night. I honestly can’t believe we won, with this offense, but a win is a win right. I think this staves off the fire sale at least for another couple of weeks.

    What I saw.
    When Felix is on, boy is he on, he was phenomenal all night, constantly hitting 95-93 MPH on every pitch even his last. It was really nice to see him keep his head in the game and fight thru some tough innings to either SO a guy or induce a inning ending double play.
    Russell Branyan is for real. It’s weird and kind of hard to explain but he seemed like one of the only “real” ball players on the team. Made some excellent plays at 1b and was by far our best hitter at the plate approach wise. When I see him, I see a ball player, one who I can’t believe has never been given a chance.
    Jose Lopez has no range and it almost cost us the game, in fact it should of cost us the game, until he redeemed himself in the bottom of the ninth. I counted 3 different times in crucial parts of the game where he didn’t get a good jump at all to the hole or he wasn’t quick enough. On the flip side Izturis got to plenty of balls and made some very very nice plays. Man I wish we had 2 defensive guys in the middle of the infield.
    Griffey just looks old. It’s kind of sad to be honest with you and it was nice to see him bat in an M’s uniform again, but I have to ask my self, is his farewell tour worth the cost, of lack of a DH? The Designated hitter is supposed to be a hitter, honestly it should be the best hitter on your team or at least one of the best. That is what it’s designed for. Add to that Griffey bats in the 4 hole and you kind of have to shake your head. I ask this, If you were to look at stats could you even tell that we replaced Vidro with Griffey this year? No. And man does that hurt an offense.
    Morrow needs to be demoted now! All he does is throw 95 MPH fastballs right down the middle of the plate. He was getting tattooed last night and that is the way he will continue to be until he gets sent down to learn a commanding 2nd and 3rd pitch. He needs to go down to AA, develop some secondary pitches and start wether he likes it or not. This isn’t what’s best for Morrow, it’s what’s best for the team. This guy isn’t a reliever. He is a starter, who fills a reliever role and throws the same pitch over and over. Go down and do what you should of done 3 years ago, develop into a starter for a year or 2 and take your lumps. This is just gross to watch.
    Rob Johnson sucks, plane and simple. It’s bad really bad to see him at the plate. Ouch.
    I really like our OF, they made some very nice plays tonight, with the bats and with the glove. It was nice to see a couple balls get robbed and some timely hitting from them.
    Beltre looks like he might of turned a corner offensively. He really put the bat on the ball tonight and 2 of his hits were right up the middle. A good sign that a hitter is coming around, squaring up to the ball nicely and reading the ball out of the pitchers hand. His heating up is exactly what the M’s need for the win column and the trade front.

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