Game 53, Orioles at Mariners

DMZ · June 2, 2009 at 6:44 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Gotta get on the bike and see if I can get home from work fast enough to catch the first pitch. StupidNecessary day job!


199 Responses to “Game 53, Orioles at Mariners”

  1. bilbo27 on June 2nd, 2009 9:32 pm

    Don’t worry everybody. Rob Johnson’s up…. wait… *sigh*

  2. Breadbaker on June 2nd, 2009 9:32 pm

    Nice rally killing, Yuni. That was the worst place to hit a ground ball on the entire diamond.

  3. Lavalamp on June 2nd, 2009 9:32 pm

    Maybe they really wanted him to face Johnson for the platoon adva… oh wait.

  4. Breadbaker on June 2nd, 2009 9:34 pm

    Chavez is not going to bunt with two outs and runners on first and third.

  5. DAMellen on June 2nd, 2009 9:34 pm

    Has anyone heard anything about this Stephen Baron guy that the Mariners are rumored to be picking? Everything I’ve read makes it sound like he’s just horrible.

  6. Axtell on June 2nd, 2009 9:34 pm

    Thanks Yuni! Way to make that pitcher work for 2 pitches!

  7. Lavalamp on June 2nd, 2009 9:35 pm

    Why would you walk a guy hitting .191? And then compound it by letting him take 2nd?

  8. bilbo27 on June 2nd, 2009 9:35 pm

    How was that indifference?

  9. thowe1 on June 2nd, 2009 9:35 pm

    So – to just poke a little fire on the post regarding NL pitching: Their WHIP is 1.38 vs the AL 1.42, the NL BABIP is .300 versus .307 for the AL and (I hate using this) the ERA for the NL is 4.44 versus 4.56 on a complete league average. Now, if you want to factor in how bad the Nationals and Phillies pitching is versus the Rangers and Orioles (to skew and call for outliers), you can’t just chock those total average stats up to “pitchers having to hit and causing a skew in the numbers”.

    I know your Raul comment was to spark a little fire, and I accept that – I am just tired of hearing it. I am surrounded by NL people in my office all day, and we do tend to talk stats. And you know? They (the Braves and NL supporters)are actually carrying a little weight for the time being. I am not a true “stat-head” in the way of Dave or Derek, but I can appreciate a decent comparison, and I think the NL pitching carries a little more respect than you are giving it, bilbo27.

    I know the Braves outfield sucks and their offense is pitiful, but Wells did give a nice performance tonight. I wish the Cubs bullpen could have held on. Give the NL some respect, and please let go of Raul. He was a pile and be glad he is absent from this lineup.

  10. Breadbaker on June 2nd, 2009 9:38 pm

    thowe1, the difference is entirely explained by the DH rule.

  11. wabbles on June 2nd, 2009 9:38 pm

    Well time to go sing, gotta follow the game by text updates. See ya later everybody.

  12. naviomelo on June 2nd, 2009 9:39 pm

    AL pitchers have to face designated hitters.

  13. thowe1 on June 2nd, 2009 9:40 pm

    Oh Jesus – thanks for the voice of reason Breadbaker and not truly understanding statistics and the meaning of “Outliers” versus a standard difference in comparison. are you telling me that the Phillies and the Nationals pitching versus the Rangers and Orioles (given both their suckfest nature) is purely because of the DH? C’mon man, really?

  14. Breadbaker on June 2nd, 2009 9:42 pm

    You quoted league averages. Take the average stats of pitchers in the NL versus DHs in the AL and that will significantly more than make up the difference.

  15. thowe1 on June 2nd, 2009 9:43 pm

    Speaking of, that would be a great Data mining experiment ( which I am sure someone has thought of) is to do a trending analysis of the years of AL and the using of the DH versus the NL and these standard measurements of performance. would be interesting to see how the DH skews it, but it can’t be that much, no way. The population is way to high…

  16. thowe1 on June 2nd, 2009 9:45 pm

    So. are you telling me that you have taken into account days off, substitutions, injuries, and all the other good stuff that goes into inflating certain DH averages which could alter the results? It’s a little more complex than that – you have to factor in and trim off the outliers in the equation which can negate the results. I can tell you this – I would bet it wouldn’t be as great a difference as people think.

  17. naviomelo on June 2nd, 2009 9:46 pm

    You’re making no sense at all.

  18. Lauren, token chick on June 2nd, 2009 9:46 pm

    thowe: I’m still boggled by how you could so completely miss what bilbo was saying.

  19. thowe1 on June 2nd, 2009 9:47 pm

    Have another beer dude – it’ll be okay, I promise.

  20. bilbo27 on June 2nd, 2009 9:47 pm

    From what i’ve seen watching the Phillies games, it seems like the “cream of the crop” pitchers in the NL are as good as they seem (more or less). It’s the middle to below average one’s that seem to thrive a bit more in the NL vs AL (Weaver, Ho-ram, Pinero, Franklin).

    And what i’m wondering (and the discussion i was more wanting to spark), is how much that effects the numbers of some of the hitters getting to face these guys. For instance, Raul has 6 of his 18 home runs this season off the Nats (in 12 games). He also has 18 RBI’s against them in those games. Take the AAA Nats out of the picture and his stats, while impressive, aren’t nearly as sparkling.

    The AL on the other hand doesn’t really seem to have as much of the “bottom of the barrel” type teams out there (at least right now). Whereas the NL the last few years has had the Padres, Giants, Nationals, Pirates, Houston, and Rockies (excepting for about a month there where the Rockies were, as Dave N likes to say “Nails”).

    So i just wonder how much getting to play against those teams and their often questionably skilled players helps pads players numbers a bit and possibly on the lower end makes number 6 starters in the AL, decent in the NL and things like that.

  21. thowe1 on June 2nd, 2009 9:50 pm

    know and to be clear, i’m not saying Pujols isn’t as good as he seems. Just thinking about how if Pinero and Franklin are doing so awesome, then feasible pitchers with about their ability are producing about their numbers elsewhere in the NL. Thus Pujols as with Raul, is going against a lot of number 6 starters and what not. Thus making a very good hitter a great hitter.
    Raul hasn’t gotten better. If you watch the Phillies games (like i do), he’s the same Raul we saw at the plate. It’s just the opposing pitchers don’t seem to be nearly as good on the whole (though there are definitley some good ones). He seems to be getting a lot more mistake pitches right down the heart of the plate, and inexplicable a lot of them are fastballs almost as if the pitcher is doing it intentionally. The NL style of pitching really is a head scratcher to me in that respect.

    What is there to miss? Did I MISS SOMETHING? He’s saying that Pujols is going against more 6 starters than he would in the AL. and he goes on to state that Raul is facing intentional fastballs (or so it seems). Really? Who’s not making sense here?

  22. JerBear on June 2nd, 2009 9:50 pm

    thowe – I’m afraid if we all continue drinking beer, your sentences will make even less sense.

  23. Lavalamp on June 2nd, 2009 9:50 pm

    Way to slow the game down Baltimore… how many pitchers are we gonna see tonight?

  24. thowe1 on June 2nd, 2009 9:53 pm

    Okay – now I see where you are going with this. It’s just that your previous commentary made it seem to me like you were actually questioning the validity of some of the NL pitching and stating that as a whole they are crappier than the AL. That’s a bold statement to make without a quick review.

    I am totally not throwing this in your face (well maybe a little, and I apologize for being a dick) bilbo, I just wanted to hear where you are coming from a little more clearly.

  25. bilbo27 on June 2nd, 2009 9:56 pm

    It’s definitley sometimes hard to be completley clear and concise while simultaneously watching the game and eating dinner. 😉

  26. Lavalamp on June 2nd, 2009 9:57 pm

    I love Russell Branyan. 401 feet…

  27. juneau_fan on June 2nd, 2009 9:57 pm

    I’m okay with this batting order.

  28. SpokaneDan on June 2nd, 2009 9:57 pm

    That was awesome! Even this bullpen should be able to hold onto this one.

  29. Axtell on June 2nd, 2009 9:58 pm

    Damn he absolutely crushed that ball…total no doubter!

  30. bilbo27 on June 2nd, 2009 9:59 pm

    By the way, Raul has 5 RBI’s tonight and now 2 home runs (total now of 51 and 19 respectively). Whatever is causing it, Mr. Ibanez seems to be loving the NL. 🙂

  31. Axtell on June 2nd, 2009 9:59 pm

    Nice grab by the fan, too!

  32. JerBear on June 2nd, 2009 9:59 pm

    Russell!!!! Lefties Schmefties!

  33. bilbo27 on June 2nd, 2009 10:00 pm

    JR!!! 🙂 Dave needs to talk more about players being done I think.

  34. Lavalamp on June 2nd, 2009 10:01 pm


    And Lopez missea back-to-back shots by a couple feet.

  35. hark on June 2nd, 2009 10:01 pm

    Hm…8-1. I remember this score. Didn’t we lose this game to the Angels?

  36. JerBear on June 2nd, 2009 10:02 pm

    Junior!!! More of this offense stuff, please!

  37. Mike Snow on June 2nd, 2009 10:05 pm

    Bizarre statistical combinations:

    Griffey’s batting average against LHP – .172
    Griffey’s slugging percentage against LHP – .621

  38. bilbo27 on June 2nd, 2009 10:05 pm

    Hey look at that. Texas and the Anaheim Los Angeles Angels of Earth in the Milky Way both lost tonight.

  39. huhwhat on June 2nd, 2009 10:08 pm

    Griffey doing his best to respond to the May 31st post about him being done…maybe.

  40. JerBear on June 2nd, 2009 10:11 pm

    That was awesome! Even this bullpen should be able to hold onto this one.

    Yeah, it’s not like they’ve blown a 7 run lead lately… oh, shit.

  41. bilbo27 on June 2nd, 2009 10:11 pm

    Great night for the number 9-5 hitters tonight. Starting with Gutie: 2 hits, Ichiro 2 hits, Branyan 2 hits, Beltre 3 hits, Griffey 3 hits, Lopez 3 hits.

  42. JerBear on June 2nd, 2009 10:13 pm

    I love seeing Ichiro! happy…

  43. msb on June 2nd, 2009 10:28 pm

    It was a big night for smiling shots of both Ichiro! and Bedard

  44. bilbo27 on June 2nd, 2009 10:46 pm

    “It was a big night for smiling shots of both Ichiro! and Bedard”

    Everybody knows Ichiro and Bedard are evil in almost every way and seek to corrupt the clubhouse chemistry in any way they can. Clearly those smiles came from some new scheme to hurt the team in some way. *sarcasm* 🙂

  45. TranquilPsychosis on June 2nd, 2009 11:01 pm

    Clearly those smiles came from some new scheme to hurt the team in some way. *sarcasm*

    I’m not sure that your sarcasm is misplaced.

    Ichiro! is clearly trying to dismantle the team with his selfish ways. Seriously, what has he done for the team latey?

    All he’s done is hit all those singles with nobody on base when the game started. And not being thrown out by attempting to steal a base in moronic situations.

    Frankly, I’m curious how he’s still on the team.

    One of these days the mariners may end up signing a good player.

  46. guschiggins on June 3rd, 2009 12:04 am

    any chance we can extend Bedard and not trade him? I’m really liking having him and Felix in the rotation so unless we can get a Mark Texeiraish package of talent back for him… why not sign him to an extension?

  47. bratman on June 3rd, 2009 12:10 am

    Thank G-D for Junior, Griffey.

    Number 4 in All Star Voting

    The most liked player of the past 30 years. He’ll be done when he says he’s done.

  48. bilbo27 on June 3rd, 2009 2:16 am

    “any chance we can extend Bedard and not trade him”

    It’s a very interesting idea. Bedard won’t be as expensive as a “normal” ace given his lack of sustained track record and major injury risks. He’ll still be very expensive, but not as much as normally healthy pitcher of his caliber would get.

    The M’s also have the payroll wiggle room this off-season to assume the risk that is Bedard without it crippling the team if he can’t stay healthy (and a GM that knows how to find cheap talent, if needs be).

    On the flipside, if he stays healthy for most of his future contract, having Felix and Bedard pitching 1-2 over the next few years would give the M’s one of the best 1-2 punches over that span. Throw in a couple other solid pitchers, decent bullpen, and a decent offense and that’s a recipe for a championship.

    Any way the M’s go for it will workout I think (now that we have a GM who knows what he’s doing). They can shop him around now (regardless of whether they want to try to keep him or not). If a steal of a deal comes up worth more than the draft picks and/or more than what he’s worth to try to keep, then trade him. If not, then try to re-sign him. If he doesn’t want to come back here or he wants more than the M’s want to give, then offer him arbitration after the season is over and collect your 2 extra picks when he turns you down. If you can reach an extension with him, then hold your breath and hope he stays healthy most of the time. I really wouldn’t be too disappointed with any one of those three scenario outcomes.

  49. LordLes on June 3rd, 2009 1:21 pm


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