Game 75, Mariners at Dodgers

Dave · June 28, 2009 at 12:31 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Olson vs Kuroda, 1:05 pm.

First, the news of the day. Mike Morse won’t be coming up to join the Mariners in place of Adrian Beltre, because they’ve traded him to the Washington Nationals for Ryan Langerhans. Yes, the same Ryan Langerhans I was publicly lobbying for a few days ago. I love our new front office.

Secondly, Beltre’s going to play today, so he’s in the line-up. He’ll go on the DL tomorrow, making room for Langerhans (or a pitcher, depending on Sean White’s health) on the roster. The team needed a LH outfielder more than they needed another infielder, with Carp/Wilson/Woodward already around as infield reserves.

Thirdly, wooo. It’s so awesome having a GM who knows what he’s doing.

Ichiro, RF
Branyan, 1B
Beltre, 3B
Griffey, LF
Lopez, 2B
Gutierrez, CF
Johjima, C
Cedeno, SS
Olson, P

Comments

169 Responses to “Game 75, Mariners at Dodgers”

  1. henryv on June 28th, 2009 12:34 pm

    We finally did something with Mike Morse. I’ll drink a toast to Dr. Z for that. And got a major leaguer in return.

    But the worst part of this season is that we are going to get very little for our 3 walk players, short of a miracle.

  2. msb on June 28th, 2009 12:36 pm

    It will be interesting to see what the Nats do with Morse.

  3. TylerDurden on June 28th, 2009 12:38 pm

    What a steal of a trade. The best part about it might be there will be no more “Call up Mike Morse” comments.

  4. msb on June 28th, 2009 12:39 pm

    Oh, and congratulations on using your awesome mental powers for good.

  5. Marinerfan4life on June 28th, 2009 12:45 pm

    Yes!!!!! This is an awesome deal since Morse was rotting down in AAA and we all know that he really wasn’t going to be much more than a 4th outfielder here in Seattle.

  6. henryv on June 28th, 2009 12:51 pm

    Who should we start demanding to call up now?

    I think we should start a “Call up Israel Nunez” chant.

  7. BillH on June 28th, 2009 12:57 pm

    The deal must have been in the works for at least a few days.

    From Jack Z’s chat on mlb.com on Wednesday:

    booxa: We need more LH bats. Have you looked at Ryan Langerhans, currently in the Nats’ organization?

    Jack_Zduriencik: Good suggestion.

    Obviously the question’s from a USSM reader.

  8. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2009 12:59 pm

    Whoo-hoo! And truly, I’m happy for Mike Morse, even if he’s on the Nationals, he’ll have a better chance of sticking in the bigs.

    Now, must turn of the Confederations Cup before I have a heart attack.

  9. TylerDurden on June 28th, 2009 1:06 pm

    Howard is an absolute beast!!

  10. hark on June 28th, 2009 1:07 pm

    What a steal of a trade. The best part about it might be there will be no more “Call up Mike Morse” comments.

    To be fair, Morse wasn’t a bad spot starter utility man. He had a terrible glove, but I would have played him at third over Branyan, and his bat is a significant improvement on Cedeno’s. He would have been a stop-gap in Beltre’s absence, but it was probably our best worst choice. Sucky, but them’s the breaks.

    With that said, this trade is good for the organization. But it makes me wonder where we go in the long run. Langerhans is an outfielder, which means we probably have someone who will platoon with Balentien. Though, thankfully, Langerhans can actually play the field a spot better than the latter.

    What does this mean, however, for our infield? Langerhans doesn’t solve the third base dilemma, and we still have Cedeno’s abysmal bat at short. We all know our middle infield is a blight on the landscape of baseball, even though Lopez teases us with the possibility of being good every once in a while. And we have no legitimate fix at the hot corner. This trade is good, but it’s perplexing because it doesn’t really address the central defensive issue of the M’s.

    And truly, I’m happy for Mike Morse, even if he’s on the Nationals, he’ll have a better chance of sticking in the bigs.

    Agreed. I was one of the “call up Mike Morse” guys. Plenty of players keep starting spots with bats and mediocre defense. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Morse do it with some organization with a low payroll (like the Nationals) or find his way to Florida or Kansas City or, heck, even Oakland. He just wasn’t a long-term fix here in Seattle. Good luck to him in Washington.

  11. TylerDurden on June 28th, 2009 1:09 pm

    Eh scratch that thought..

  12. cgmonk on June 28th, 2009 1:13 pm

    FSN just showed a graphic of the Mariners trading Mike Morse for Ryan Zimmerman, which was promptly corrected by Dave Niehaus.

  13. marcwolf on June 28th, 2009 1:18 pm

    Good call Dave. What player would you wish for next? A shortstop or a third baseman would be my guess.

  14. Marinerfan4life on June 28th, 2009 1:22 pm

    FSN just showed a graphic of the Mariners trading Mike Morse for Ryan Zimmerman

    The only way that would happen is if Bavasi was the Nationals GM. lol!

  15. JMHawkins on June 28th, 2009 1:24 pm

    What a steal of a trade. The best part about it might be there will be no more “Call up Mike Morse” comments

    Nah, they’ll just suggest we trade for Dobbs Morse.

    But a great trade. I really wanted Balantien to be the guy in LF, but he’s just not doing it. Plus the bad fit at Safeco and there already being too many RH bats. Yeah, it doesn’t do anything about the disaster that our infield has become, but solving one problem is still a good thing even if there are other problems left to deal with.

    BTW, Kuroda was with the Hiroshima Carp. So obviously our backup 1B needs to pinch hit at some point before they pull Kuroda.

  16. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2009 1:24 pm

    Ouch. That looked painful. Sorry, Beltre, but thanks for the catch.

  17. joser on June 28th, 2009 1:25 pm

    Drayer:

    When asked 2 hours ago if there was help in the minor leagues at third base Wak answered, “Not right now.” Shortly after the M’s announced they had traded Mike Morse to the Washington Nationals for OF Ryan Langerhans.

    Heh.

    She also reports

    When asked about what would happen at third Wak said that all options would be looked at, including the possibility of Branyan at third. They would like to stay away from that, but it is an option. More likely he said, we would see Lopez or Chris Woodward at third.

  18. hark on June 28th, 2009 1:30 pm

    When asked about what would happen at third Wak said that all options would be looked at, including the possibility of Branyan at third. They would like to stay away from that, but it is an option. More likely he said, we would see Lopez or Chris Woodward at third.

    Ugh. Fielding AND bat, please? We already have Cedeno fulfilling the “Decent defense with terrible bat quota.”

  19. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2009 1:32 pm

    I continue to be flabbergasted at the on air crews’ insistence that Griffey will stay in LF when we’re done with interleague play.

    Has there actually been some great groundswell of fans wanting to know why he’s not out there?

    And what part of ‘draining fluid from the knee’ aren’t they getting?

  20. hark on June 28th, 2009 1:33 pm

    Lopez with a stolen base? Any flying pigs outside?

  21. Flowin on June 28th, 2009 1:34 pm

    I’m telling you. I’d be willing to bet that the front office for the M’s reads this site.

  22. hark on June 28th, 2009 1:35 pm

    I’m telling you. I’d be willing to bet that the front office for the M’s reads this site.

    This goes back to the idea of Dave and Derek creating a subscription model for premium content. If Jack Z isn’t going to hire them, at least he can sign a check to pay for the site…

  23. Patton on June 28th, 2009 1:35 pm

    Of course they do. Tangotiger read and posted here before being hired by the M’s.

  24. hark on June 28th, 2009 1:37 pm

    Woo Gutierrez! Mariner lead.

  25. Lauren, token chick on June 28th, 2009 1:37 pm

    Frankie!

    It’s nice to turn on the TV and see something and be like, hey. That’s what USSM recommended! It must therefore be good!

  26. joser on June 28th, 2009 1:42 pm

    Other than eliminating the “bring up Mike Morse” chants (which of course will get replaced with “bring up/trade for” somebody else), this also may go some way to staunch the whiny bitching / bitchy whining about “I’m so tired of this organization sitting on their hands.”

    Good call Dave. What player would you wish for next? A shortstop or a third baseman would be my guess.

    Well, I can’t speak for Dave, but he’s kind of already spoken. The trouble is, the Rays aren’t desperate for anything and even if they have a surplus in SS there’s no compelling reason for them to make a deal for Brignac, which means they’ll ask for a lot — you know, like Aardsma plus Clement or maybe more. They do have some contract worries coming — Kazmir, Crawford, Burrell, and Pena each are in line to get a couple of million more in ’10. Two of those are outfielders, so you can imagine they might be interested in a cheap outfield guy. Unfortunately, the only expendable guy with the M’s is Balentien, and he’s not going to be more than a throw-in with somebody a lot better (and more painful to lose). I imagine if there was any kind of non-crippling deal to be done here Zduriencik would’ve already done it. And now 3rd base may be even more of a concern than the middle infield, unless Lopez turns out to be a better 3rd baseman than any of us expected.

    Aside: given all of this, and depending on how his surgery goes, I wonder if Beltre will be interested in a reasonable one-year deal for ’10, just so he can establish his health and hitting again before looking for bids on the open market?

  27. jephdood on June 28th, 2009 1:44 pm

    Cedeno is has no business being on this team.

  28. hark on June 28th, 2009 1:47 pm

    Cedeno is has no business being on this team.

    But we just traded his logical replacement.* Any better than Cedeno–i.e. glove and bat as compared to just glove (or just bat for Morse)–and you have someone who’s starting for a team with a smaller payroll than us. Woodward, Carp and Wilson are all AAAA guys.

    *It was a good trade; I’m just saying.

  29. joser on June 28th, 2009 1:47 pm

    I continue to be flabbergasted at the on air crews’ insistence that Griffey will stay in LF when we’re done with interleague play.

    Has there actually been some great groundswell of fans wanting to know why he’s not out there?

    Of course there are a lot of fans who would love to see Griffey play every position (as in that “classic” commercial) but it’s apparently coming straight from Wakamatsu. Per Drayer (linked earlier):

    When asked how [the loss of Beltre] would effect the lineup Wak answered that they would have a lot to talk about on the plane trip tonight but a couple of curious things jumped out from the conversation. Like perhaps we will see more of Jr.

    “As we go forward we will see how much we can play him in there. With Adrian out you would like to get Mike (Sweeney) in there. We will see how Jr’s knee comes out after today.”

  30. IndieSnob on June 28th, 2009 1:48 pm

    Z made the kind of deal that even if we lose the game today, it’ll still feel like a win. Speaking for myself of course.

  31. naviomelo on June 28th, 2009 1:49 pm

    But we just traded his logical replacement.*

    You wanted Morse to play SS? In the big leagues? Are you a Rangers fan or Angels fan?

  32. heyoka on June 28th, 2009 1:50 pm

    Uh-oh. Now USSM has added pressure. Make a bad suggestion and the baby may get thrown out with the bath water. Drunk blogging could get dangerous.

  33. joser on June 28th, 2009 1:52 pm

    Cedeno is a career .240 hitter, albeit in the NL Central. He doesn’t seem to be broken so at some point regression to the mean should kick in…surely?

    Frankie!

    Hmmm, with Yuni out (and “quit”) do I sense a new official imaginary boyfriend in the offing? He does have those soulful eyes…

  34. joser on June 28th, 2009 1:54 pm

    Uh-oh. Now USSM has added pressure. Make a bad suggestion and the baby may get thrown out with the bath water.

    With drunk power comes drunk responsibility.

  35. Rick L on June 28th, 2009 1:56 pm

    So Dave, if you’re still there, is there an infielder analogous to Langerhans that we could trade for?

  36. hark on June 28th, 2009 1:56 pm

    You wanted Morse to play SS? In the big leagues? Are you a Rangers fan or Angels fan?

    No. I thought Morse was a logical utility guy with a minus glove and a plus bat. He was never an everyday starter for this organization. Cedeno is not an everyday shortstop either. He’s defensively acceptable but absolutely atrocious behind the plate.

    Compare Cedeno and Morse’s WAR on Fangraphs. If you believe Cedeno is a major leaguer in anything except the field, uh, no. If Morse is a major leaguer in anything except the batter’s box, uh, no. But he’s actually more valuable despite that.

  37. Rick L on June 28th, 2009 1:56 pm

    I can’t believe Ichiro just beat out a ground ball to second! Not even near the bag at second.

  38. cdowley on June 28th, 2009 1:57 pm

    Drunk blogging may become dangerous? Become? Drunk blogging has always been dangerous…

    Big fan of the trade on a lot of levels. Both guys were spare parts in their organizations, but both can be much more useful to their new clubs. Always like seeing that.

  39. hark on June 28th, 2009 1:58 pm

    Cedeno is a career .240 hitter, albeit in the NL Central. He doesn’t seem to be broken so at some point regression to the mean should kick in…surely?

    I’d like to see it. If Cedeno can regress to .250-ish (his rookie season saw him hit .300 in an small sample size, and he hit .269 in ’08), excellent. But are any of us seeing this? And as you pointed out, NL versus AL. That’s a significant difference.

  40. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2009 1:58 pm

    He does have those soulful eyes…

    No, no, only Jeter can have the soulful eyes*! All other players must line up for their own monikers. Let’s make it ‘bedroom eyes’ just for Lauren.

    *Was it Joe Buck who humiliated himself for all time with his mancrush gushing that culminated in the line about his soulful eyes? My Red Sox fan friend has the entire thing memorized.

  41. cdowley on June 28th, 2009 2:04 pm

    Compare Cedeno and Morse’s WAR on Fangraphs.

    No. WAR with a SSS player like Morse is not particularly useful, especially when compared to a player who’s had a lot more time in the bigs like Cedeno.

    Look closer at Morse’s peripherals. They look awesome, right? Then you look again and realize that they are absolutely unsustainable beyond a small sample.

  42. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2009 2:04 pm

    If this is a dream, don’t wake me.

  43. Rick L on June 28th, 2009 2:04 pm

    Lopez!

  44. hark on June 28th, 2009 2:04 pm

    My Red Sox fan friend has the entire thing memorized.

    You have a Red Sox fan friend. This is an oxymoron.

  45. jsa on June 28th, 2009 2:04 pm

    I continue to be flabbergasted at the on air crews’ insistence that Griffey will stay in LF when we’re done with interleague play.

    It might be because they are a bit closer to sources of “Actual Information” than are the various reporters and bloggers.

    Niehaus has been around long enough that he probably knows what the team is going to do long before it leaks out.

  46. JMHawkins on June 28th, 2009 2:05 pm

    Aside: given all of this, and depending on how his surgery goes, I wonder if Beltre will be interested in a reasonable one-year deal for ‘10, just so he can establish his health and hitting again before looking for bids on the open market?

    This sure as hell isn’t the kind of a year you want going into contract negotiations. Not just the health, but the missing offense as well.

    Of course if Beltre/Boras decided on the one-year-reestablish-value plan, it wouldn’t have to be with the M’s. It could be anywhere. Beane down in Oakland seems to like that kind of deal, and they may need a 3B next year too if Chavez’ back surgery ends his career.

  47. hark on June 28th, 2009 2:06 pm

    Look closer at Morse’s peripherals. They look awesome, right? Then you look again and realize that they are absolutely unsustainable beyond a small sample.

    Alternatively, I look at his minor league stats as well and realize those make him just as much of an AAAA player as Cedeno.

  48. Lauren, token chick on June 28th, 2009 2:06 pm

    Damn. I would not have expected we’d have a four-run lead. I like it.

    I’m not replacing Yuni with any other sort of “boyfriend”… too cliched (see how y’all are trying to make this all about romance instead of BASEBALL, dammit?). Only Batgirl could make that work.

  49. Rick L on June 28th, 2009 2:07 pm

    Wasn’t Sweeney a third baseman at one point in his career?

  50. naviomelo on June 28th, 2009 2:07 pm

    As bad as you think Cedeno is at the plate, Morse would be worse in the field at SS.

  51. vj on June 28th, 2009 2:08 pm

    Quick question: is that Vin Scully on the home feed on MLB.TV?

  52. djw on June 28th, 2009 2:10 pm

    The idea that Mike Morse is anything approximating a “logical replacement” for someone who will be primarily playing SS for the next few weeks is beyond bizarre.

  53. hark on June 28th, 2009 2:11 pm

    As bad as you think Cedeno is at the plate, Morse would be worse in the field at SS.

    Since I wasn’t arguing for him at shortstop but as a utility player in general, and the discussion was raised because of our 3B situation, which doesn’t require the RANGE of a middle infielder, this is a stupid response. I don’t want Morse as an everyday SS. I don’t want him as an everyday anything. But with Washington, Kansas City, Florida or some other such low payroll team that likes “tools” players, Morse is a good fit there, and he made sense as a stop-gap here.

    In no way was he ever a long-term solution. The only reason I was one of the “call up Mike Morse” group is because of the team’s short term needs. Long-term, this is a good trade and I have no complaints about losing him. You’re completely misconstruing what I’ve been saying this entire thread.

  54. Marinerfan4life on June 28th, 2009 2:12 pm

    Everyone forgetting that the M’s are up 4-0 on the Dodgers right now??? Good times!!

  55. Marinerfan4life on June 28th, 2009 2:13 pm

    Quick question: is that Vin Scully on the home feed on MLB.TV?

    If he sounds slightly drunk, then it’s Scully!

  56. vj on June 28th, 2009 2:15 pm

    Morse traded? I bet that’s a relief for a few around here. Getting Langerhans is just icing on the cake.

  57. cgmonk on June 28th, 2009 2:15 pm

    The AT&T game rewind tells me very little about what happened.

  58. hark on June 28th, 2009 2:17 pm

    The AT&T game rewind tells me very little about what happened.

    Beltre caught a ball. Gutierrez hit a ball. Ichiro scored a run. What more do you need to know? [/sarcasm]

    Oh Johjima…you’re back, and you’re better than Johnson. But if you’re gonna take 2 weeks to get back in the swing of things, we have the All-Star Break coming up. You’re a wash…no no no.

  59. Marinerfan4life on June 28th, 2009 2:17 pm

    Yeah it’s quite pointless kind of like listening to Sims rambling on.

  60. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2009 2:18 pm

    It might be because they are a bit closer to sources of “Actual Information” than are the various reporters and bloggers.

    Niehaus has been around long enough that he probably knows what the team is going to do long before it leaks out.

    Er, I’ll accept that they’re fed stuff to push on the air that may turn out to be completely untrue, but as for ‘actual information,’ they work for the organization and I’d think they’re given the information that the organization wants out there.

    Which I guess answers my own question.

  61. Rick L on June 28th, 2009 2:18 pm

    Given how well Gutierrez and Aardsma have done, you would have to say that the Red Sox and Indians got fleeced in those deals.

  62. naviomelo on June 28th, 2009 2:18 pm

    In no way was he ever a long-term solution. The only reason I was one of the “call up Mike Morse” group is because of the team’s short term needs. Long-term, this is a good trade and I have no complaints about losing him.

    Cool, I don’t either. He’s a 1B/DH that can’t hit like one. They’re just not that valuable. Yeah, I guess in an emergency you could have him playing in the middle infield or at 3B, but he’s not a major league utility player.

  63. sodomojo_1 on June 28th, 2009 2:19 pm

    Yeah Big Z, way to go out and get not just someone we need, but asked for. I swear he’s got to be the best gm the ms have ever had in his first season.

  64. hark on June 28th, 2009 2:20 pm

    Er, I’ll accept that they’re fed stuff to push on the air that may turn out to be completely untrue, but as for ‘actual information,’ they work for the organization and I’d think they’re given the information that the organization wants out there.

    The information the organization wants out there is information. It’s just not useful or meaningful or…negative. But it’s real.

  65. henryv on June 28th, 2009 2:21 pm

    Kenji doing what he does best… Well, except maybe GIDPs…

  66. Dave on June 28th, 2009 2:25 pm

    So Dave, if you’re still there, is there an infielder analogous to Langerhans that we could trade for?

    Bobby Scales. I don’t think there’s much momentum for that move, though. We’ll see.

  67. hark on June 28th, 2009 2:26 pm

    Cool, I don’t either. He’s a 1B/DH that can’t hit like one. They’re just not that valuable. Yeah, I guess in an emergency you could have him playing in the middle infield or at 3B, but he’s not a major league utility player.

    jephdood started this conversation by saying that Cedeno has no business being on this team. If we accept this as a true statement, who would you, in the organization, use to replace him prior to the trade of Mike Morse? Bear in mind that Cedeno covered left field at times, 3B, SS and 1B (did he play any 2B). So your replacement has to be someone who can cover those positions, even if it is inefficiently. His bat has to be better than Cedeno’s.

    I said, given Cedeno’s position on the club, Morse was the logical replacement. That doesn’t mean I think either of them are much good. Read.

  68. msb on June 28th, 2009 2:29 pm

    Adrian wants us to really, really miss him.

  69. Rick L on June 28th, 2009 2:29 pm

    My God, we’re going to miss Beltre.

  70. hark on June 28th, 2009 2:29 pm

    Beltre, are you sure you want to have surgery and go on the DL? I love watching you play third…

  71. naviomelo on June 28th, 2009 2:31 pm

    Why would we accept such a statement as truth? If there was someone better in the organization that could replace Cedeno, don’t you think Zduriencik would have replaced him by now? Morse was no more of a logical replacement for Cedeno than you or I.

  72. cgmonk on June 28th, 2009 2:35 pm

    Sims and Blowers are confused as to why LA fans are still booing Beltre. They mention that he’s been gone for years and it’s time to get over it. People still boo A-Rod in Seattle right?

  73. hark on June 28th, 2009 2:35 pm

    If there was someone better in the organization that could replace Cedeno, don’t you think Zduriencik would have replaced him by now?

    Even the best GM makes some mistakes. Is keeping Cedeno Z’s? I don’t know. Possibly. But let’s not assume having something in the organization means you use it. We know how the rally cry here at USSM is for Clement, and look how that works out.

  74. Scottdids on June 28th, 2009 2:35 pm

    I’m trying to think of another case where a player is going to miss time, but keeps playing.

    Watching him play these last couple of days feels like a dog you’re about to put down, but enjoying your last few days with him. Mixed emotions all around.

  75. cgmonk on June 28th, 2009 2:37 pm

    This coming about two weeks after FSN was running a contest in which one of the featured games people could vote for was A-Rod’s return to Seattle in 2001 where he was heavily booed.

  76. Scottdids on June 28th, 2009 2:38 pm

    Sorry, my post was referring to Beltre, though that should be pretty obvious.

  77. Marinerfan4life on June 28th, 2009 2:40 pm

    Okay Olson please don’t melt down like you did against the Padres!! PLEASE?

  78. Marinerfan4life on June 28th, 2009 2:41 pm

    Oh Great Batista is getting up!

  79. Kazinski on June 28th, 2009 2:42 pm

    I hope Olson can get out of this inning, I don’t want Batista coming in with men on base.

  80. Marinerfan4life on June 28th, 2009 2:45 pm

    Oh man lets hope he gets a DP ball here.

  81. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2009 2:46 pm

    Yikes. A DP’s going to be hard here. (Trying for my reverse curse.)

  82. jsa on June 28th, 2009 2:47 pm

    I don’t want Batista coming in with men on base.

    Considering that BADtista seems to need to put two men on base to get three outs, your analysis is spot on.

  83. joser on June 28th, 2009 2:47 pm

    Wasn’t Sweeney a third baseman at one point in his career?

    I was a pre-schooler at one point in my career, but I don’t think anyone would think juice boxes and fingerpaints were an appropriate occupation for me now.

  84. Kazinski on June 28th, 2009 2:48 pm

    I’m thinking “don’t groove the 3-0 fastball here”. He does, but gets away with it.

  85. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2009 2:49 pm

    That was a Ibanez-esque moment. But whoo! Griffey.

  86. cgmonk on June 28th, 2009 2:49 pm

    I got a little worried on that last out that was caught by Junior.

  87. Rick L on June 28th, 2009 2:49 pm

    He may be slow, but he still takes good routes to balls, get’s a good jump, and has a slick glove.

  88. Kazinski on June 28th, 2009 2:49 pm

    Tough catch for Griffey, is Langerhans on the plane yet?

  89. JMHawkins on June 28th, 2009 2:50 pm

    KILL BOATER ED!

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  90. Rick L on June 28th, 2009 2:50 pm

    Ibanez might not have got that. But his may be a bit faster than Griffey.

  91. joser on June 28th, 2009 2:52 pm

    Of course, old men do sometimes still surprise you. Good catch, Griffey (even if it would’ve been much easier with younger legs).

    Since Scully has come up, probably as good a time as any to link to his call of the 9th inning of Kouax’s 1965 perfect game (transcription here).

  92. Marinerfan4life on June 28th, 2009 2:53 pm

    I was a pre-schooler at one point in my career, but I don’t think anyone would think juice boxes and fingerpaints were an appropriate occupation for me now.

    It sounds like a good occupation to me!

  93. Rick L on June 28th, 2009 2:53 pm

    Think we’ll see Batista in the 6th?

  94. joser on June 28th, 2009 2:59 pm

    Anybody familiar with Japanese baseball know if Johjima faced Kuroda over there?

    Even the best GM makes some mistakes. Is keeping Cedeno Z’s?

    If it is, and it’s the magnitude of the kind of mistakes we can expect from Zduriencik… I’ll take it.

    Don’t forget Cedeno is out of options and probably would get snagged by somebody if they tried to put him through waivers. Yeah, no team might be willing to trade for him (especially since they would be in the same position of being unable to send him down), but there’s probably one who would grab him for free.

  95. joser on June 28th, 2009 3:00 pm

    It sounds like a good occupation to me!

    Fun, sure. Appropriate? Nope.

  96. Marinerfan4life on June 28th, 2009 3:02 pm

    You have to figure Cedeno is going to start hitting eventually. He is just in a horribly bad slump right now. Lets hope he gets out of it very soon.

    Hang on time begins cuz it’s Batista time!!

  97. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2009 3:05 pm

    Well, since Batista didn’t come in last inning, he didn’t get a chance to clear off the other pitcher’s baserunners and start fresh.

  98. joser on June 28th, 2009 3:08 pm

    Cue all the Johnson/Johjima arguments…

  99. Scottdids on June 28th, 2009 3:08 pm

    Rob Johnson would have thrown out two runners on that throw, he helps out his pitchers so much.

  100. Rick L on June 28th, 2009 3:08 pm

    Joser, thanks for the Scully link. Just reading it, even knowing how it ended in advanced, sent chills down my spine. Two hall of fame performances.

  101. Kazinski on June 28th, 2009 3:09 pm

    Why would we get rid of Cedeno now with Yuni out? As bad as he is hitting, he is catching and throwing well, and that is very important for this team.

    Speaking of defense, nice throw by Joh to end the inning. That’s why defense is important, the fewer batters our pitchers have to face, the fewer things can go wrong.

  102. henryv on June 28th, 2009 3:10 pm

    Holy crap!

    Cedeno with a hit!

  103. Marinerfan4life on June 28th, 2009 3:11 pm

    YEAH CEDENO!!!!
    Anyone else notice Batista’s scary looking sideburns are gone??

  104. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2009 3:12 pm

    Batista hitting. Lordy.

  105. cgmonk on June 28th, 2009 3:13 pm

    Watching Batista try to bunt is a good argument for the DH.

  106. henryv on June 28th, 2009 3:14 pm

    Watching Batista bunt is a good argument for pinch hitting for the pitcher.

  107. Mike Barton on June 28th, 2009 3:17 pm

    This would have been a great time to get Carp an at bat, he’s had what, 10 so far? With the day off tomorrow our bullpen probably doesn’t need the second inning from Batista. Maybe Wak was just going to bunt with whoever was up there anyways.

  108. bseblfevr on June 28th, 2009 3:18 pm

    The deal must have been in the works for at least a few days.

    From Jack Z’s chat on mlb.com on Wednesday:

    booxa: We need more LH bats. Have you looked at Ryan Langerhans, currently in the Nats’ organization?

    Jack_Zduriencik: Good suggestion.

    Obviously the question’s from a USSM reader.

    I have to admit, I first read of your suggestion about Ryan a few weeks ago and also read of Jack Z’s response when posed the question on MLB radio…great job USS Mariner! and good luck to Morse.

  109. henryv on June 28th, 2009 3:20 pm

    Oh please god, no.

  110. henryv on June 28th, 2009 3:21 pm

    If the M’s blow this one open, I wouldn’t want to be the first Dodger to come to the plate afterwards.

  111. bseblfevr on June 28th, 2009 3:24 pm

    on paper, Morse appears to be a much better hitter

  112. henryv on June 28th, 2009 3:35 pm

    than whom?

  113. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2009 3:39 pm

    Lowe warming up for the 8th. *shiver*

  114. henryv on June 28th, 2009 3:42 pm

    It seems very strange that we have one of the lowest bullpen ERAs in baseball, with this strange and nearly control-less bullpen.

  115. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2009 3:46 pm

    henryv, I have this nightmare of the team staying within striking distance of the division lead, or even have it, and then this bullpen does its inevitable meltdown.

    Batista’s caterpillar sideburns are gone, but that fungus on Lowe’s face remains.

  116. henryv on June 28th, 2009 3:48 pm

    Maybe the bullpen is experimenting with god awful facial hair like in the movie 300.

    also, why is Chris Rock at bat for the Dodgers?

  117. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2009 3:50 pm

    That you, Jebus, Balentien in left!

  118. henryv on June 28th, 2009 3:52 pm

    Are pitchers allowed to use sunscreen?

    I’d bet there is some rule saying they have to use a water-based one… Cause a really clever pitcher could doctor the hell out of a ball with a little bit of sunscreen.

  119. henryv on June 28th, 2009 3:53 pm

    Morrow starting against the Yankees… Not good.

  120. henryv on June 28th, 2009 3:54 pm

    Yeah, I realize what he did the last time, but his control isn’t what it was, and I don’t know that the Yankees are going to let him pitch all over the place and swing at it.

  121. henryv on June 28th, 2009 3:56 pm

    Kenji making Cedeno look good. Cedeno gets two hits in a game!

    Is that a career high?

  122. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2009 3:58 pm

    The catcher trots out there to say, “This Carp guy isn’t like the rest of the Mariners. He’ll take a walk. You’re going to have to throw a strike.”

  123. henryv on June 28th, 2009 4:00 pm

    Carp may want to consider pulling his head out of his butt before starting an at bat.

  124. jordan on June 28th, 2009 4:03 pm

    Simms totally reads this site. How bout a shout out Dave?

  125. Rick L on June 28th, 2009 4:07 pm

    I never thought we would win a series against the three best teams in baseball, but one down, two to go.

  126. Flowin on June 28th, 2009 4:07 pm

    I think this game, and a number of others, shows the dominance of the American League. I know this is just three games, but our “average/slightly above average” team just went on the road and beat the best team in the National League, 2/3. Not only that, but the Yankees have pounded the Mets. Average AL teams are beating up on NL teams. For other examples, just look around. The AL is clearly the superior team, and if the Mariners were in the NL, I think we would be an elite NL club.

  127. jordan on June 28th, 2009 4:08 pm

    Aardsma better be an allstar.

    Along with Felix, Ichiro, and Branyan.

    How sweet would it be to see Branyan in the Home Run Derby?

  128. henryv on June 28th, 2009 4:09 pm

    Did anyone else see the guy in the Sounders jersey near the M’s dugout?

    BTW, Sounders won 3-0.

    And if Simms actually reads this site, I’m a little disappointed in him for not going down in kicking Bill Kruger in the nuts.

  129. dallin on June 28th, 2009 4:10 pm

    i still would like to see ichiro in the home run derby…

  130. gwangung on June 28th, 2009 4:11 pm

    Jeez. Gotta like the results. And ya gotta like that we’re three games above .500.

  131. joser on June 28th, 2009 4:11 pm

    Kenji making Cedeno look good. Cedeno gets two hits in a game!
    Is that a career high?

    Cedeno went 4-for-4 in a game against the Cardinals on April 9, 2006. He’s had 52 other games where he’s got at least 2 hits, and 10 where he’s had at least 3. I know he seems really bad based on his time in an M’s uniform, but he’s not that bad.

  132. Marinerfan4life on June 28th, 2009 4:14 pm

    How sweet would it be to see Branyan in the Home Run Derby?

    Oh man he would steal the show with the moonshots he would hit. I would love to see how far he could hit em.

  133. joser on June 28th, 2009 4:14 pm

    That you, Jebus, Balentien in left!

    I didn’t know that was Wakamatsu’s first name. The things you learn on teh intratubes.

  134. joser on June 28th, 2009 4:16 pm

    Oh man he would steal the show with the moonshots he would hit. I would love to see how far he could hit em.

    I don’t know, anecdotally the HR derby seems to wipe out the guys who have the most impressive outings, and they’re never quite the same. How’s that Hamilton guy doing, incidentally?

  135. henryv on June 28th, 2009 4:16 pm

    Branyan isn’t making the All-Star game, short of Joe Madden deciding he really, really wants him on the roster, which is doubtful.

    Aardsma is a good question, I’d think… But I’d doubt he gets in either… Hasn’t been the closer long enough to rack up a ton of saves, and his ERA isn’t some insane number that would put him over the top.

  136. Flowin on June 28th, 2009 4:18 pm

    I don’t know, anecdotally the HR derby seems to wipe out the guys who have the most impressive outings, and they’re never quite the same. How’s that Hamilton guy doing, incidentally?

    Yeah, you are right. There have been a number of players that complain that the HR derby messes up their swing for the second half of the season (since trying for a HR on every pitch makes you alter your approach).

    I could care less about the HR derby. I would HATE to see a Mariner in the Derby.

  137. az sr softball on June 28th, 2009 4:19 pm

    Anyone else notice how many times recently we lose the first game of the series and then take the next two?

  138. Flowin on June 28th, 2009 4:19 pm

    But I’d doubt he gets in either… Hasn’t been the closer long enough to rack up a ton of saves, and his ERA isn’t some insane number that would put him over the top.

    He has a 1.49 ERA, and is 16/17 in save opportunities. I think that is best in baseball with only one blown save. How in the world is he NOT an All-Star???

  139. Flowin on June 28th, 2009 4:21 pm

    [long link]

  140. jordan on June 28th, 2009 4:21 pm

    I don’t see how Branyan isn’t a reserve. C’mon, he has to be an all-star.

  141. JerBear on June 28th, 2009 4:24 pm

    Dude, this is awesome. I had to miss this game, but I get home, see that they one, notice they picked up Langerhanss, AND gave up Morse to get him! Sweet!

    Except for now all the Morse fan-boys that were clamoring for him to play shortstop or something are going to be mad a Zduriencik for trading him, but oh well. I think Jack has enough good will that a little ignorant fan backlash isn’t going to hurt his stature with Arm-Linc.

    I really can’t wait to see what he does this off season!

  142. JerBear on June 28th, 2009 4:26 pm

    one = won. I suck without an edit button.

  143. joser on June 28th, 2009 4:32 pm

    Aardsma is a good question, I’d think… But I’d doubt he gets in either… Hasn’t been the closer long enough to rack up a ton of saves, and his ERA isn’t some insane number that would put him over the top.

    He is in a tie (with Sherrill and Rodney) for 6th place on the AL saves list, one behind Rivera. Among qualified AL relievers his ERA is 1.53 (that’s not insane?), essentially tied for 2nd with Nathon and behind only Francisco (yeah, yeah, ERA… but you know it carries weight in this context). Frankly, I don’t see how they don’t pick him.

  144. Sidi on June 28th, 2009 4:35 pm

    Yeah, you are right. There have been a number of players that complain that the HR derby messes up their swing for the second half of the season (since trying for a HR on every pitch makes you alter your approach).

    And Ichiro using batting practice to park them in the seats doesn’t? Seriously, most players take batting practice many times every week and often it is nothing but trying to launch balls.

    I haven’t run into players saying that, but I suspect it’s more likely to be “I played way over my head early in the year, got into the HR derby, and then strangely wasn’t as good in the second half.”

  145. gwangung on June 28th, 2009 4:36 pm

    I think Jack has enough good will that a little ignorant fan backlash isn’t going to hurt his stature with Arm-Linc.

    Three games over .500 after last year?

    Yeah, I think he’s got enough good will in the bank to last a good while longer…

    (Certainly to get through the inevitable offensive drought that’s going to come….)

  146. Axtell on June 28th, 2009 4:39 pm

    I think this game, and a number of others, shows the dominance of the American League. I know this is just three games, but our “average/slightly above average” team just went on the road and beat the best team in the National League, 2/3. Not only that, but the Yankees have pounded the Mets. Average AL teams are beating up on NL teams. For other examples, just look around. The AL is clearly the superior team, and if the Mariners were in the NL, I think we would be an elite NL club.

    No, it doesn’t show anything, and no, the M’s wouldn’t be an elite NL club. It proves just the team was fortunate to avoid Billingsly in general and get favorable matchups in 2 of the 3 games.

    And I guess that’s why of the last 8 world series winners, exactly half have been from the NL, half from the AL?

    Great way to kick off the road trip though, taking 2 of 3 from the Dodgers…on to Coors Light East in NY!

  147. Sidi on June 28th, 2009 4:41 pm

    Are pitchers allowed to use sunscreen?

    I’d bet there is some rule saying they have to use a water-based one… Cause a really clever pitcher could doctor the hell out of a ball with a little bit of sunscreen.

    The rules are very vague, as far as I know. They can do whatever they want…until an ump thinks they’re doctoring the ball. There are specific rules about going to the mouth, due to the history of spitballs, but I don’t think any sort of lotion/sunscreen is mentioned.

    I just might have to reread The Cheater’s Guide again to be sure.

  148. joser on June 28th, 2009 4:47 pm

    The Angels won again, sigh (Diamonandbacks made a valiant effort but not enough). Hey, we can at least cheer for hated interleague rivals for once since they’re facing Texas.

    I think this game, and a number of others, shows the dominance of the American League.

    Well, I don’t know how far I’d take this but the AL has won more games in interleague this year and it’s certainly true that the team leading the weakest division in the AL has a better overall record than all but one of the teams in the NL.

  149. Sports on a Schtick on June 28th, 2009 4:58 pm

    Back from the game. Quick thoughts:

    * Bwhahahahah! Morse for Langerhans?! Keep up the good work Nats.

    * Stellar defense by the third basemen. Beltre and Blake put on a show.

    * Not so stellar defense by Ichiro. Don’t know if the sun was bothering him but he was consistently getting terrible jumps on the ball.

    * Olson looked pretty good. That Kemp blast was just great hitting. Very impressed by the pitching overall. Getting ahead of the hitters was huge.

    * Watching Miggy trying to bunt… it was destiny he would fail.

    * A guy in my row was wearing a teal “LA” hat.

  150. jsa on June 28th, 2009 5:04 pm

    Anyone else notice how many times recently we lose the first game of the series and then take the next two?

    M’s don’t seem to travel well.

  151. TomTuttle on June 28th, 2009 5:24 pm

    WOW! The M’s CAN play with the big boys after all.

    Of course, we’ll see what happens now that Beltre is gone.

  152. Jeff Nye on June 28th, 2009 5:37 pm

    Jack Zduriencik, I love you.

  153. Jeff Nye on June 28th, 2009 5:50 pm

    Also, the P-I commenters hate it, so you know it’s a good trade.

  154. diderot on June 28th, 2009 6:07 pm

    Zduriencik would have some reason to try to add pieces to help this team win this year

    Honestly, Jeff, how can you read those P-I comments? When I try I always wind up yelling at my computer screen.

  155. diderot on June 28th, 2009 6:13 pm

    Also, the P-I commenters hate it, so you know it’s a good trade.

    OK, this was the quote I meant to copy.

  156. Jeff Nye on June 28th, 2009 6:44 pm

    It makes me appreciate even the bad days here a lot more.

  157. bakomariner on June 28th, 2009 6:50 pm

    Just got home to Bakersfield from Dodger stadium…I’m happy to say the Ms are 4-0 in California this year when I attend…

    Sadly, I’m moving to Iowa next week…maybe I can take my Cali mojo to the midwest…

    Freaking awesome news to see Morse traded when I got home!

    Great day!

  158. Jeff Nye on June 28th, 2009 7:51 pm

    And yes, you will be expected to spell Langerhans correctly.

  159. Mike Snow on June 28th, 2009 8:10 pm

    Remember Chad Gaudin? The guy who recently mowed us down for 11 strikeouts? Well, he just shut down the Rangers for 1 hit over 8 innings.

  160. Nate on June 28th, 2009 8:10 pm

    Langerhans… Langerhans…
    so that’s a player then? I thought it was the name of another one of Derek’s “delicious beers” (TM)

    j/k. welcome Ryan!

  161. joser on June 28th, 2009 9:14 pm

    Sadly, I’m moving to Iowa next week…maybe I can take my Cali mojo to the midwest…

    Well, perhaps you can keep an eye on the Clinton Lumberkings then. Any team that has an Oven Mitt Night is a team worth enriching with your mojo.

  162. Breadbaker on June 28th, 2009 9:46 pm

    The Langerhans deal is exactly what you want from a GM. Morse was an excess asset and we turned him into an asset we need. Great job, Jack.

  163. wrob4343 on June 28th, 2009 10:01 pm

    The Langerhans deal is exactly what you want from a GM. Morse was an excess asset and we turned him into an asset we need. Great job, Jack.

    I don’t disagree at all, very good move. I was about to ask what the Mariners can get from the Tribe considering they pretty much gave away DeRosa for nothing, and then I did some quick homework and realized it’s not much of a move other than for Sportscenter… I thank this blog for making me a better baseball fan!

  164. henryv on June 28th, 2009 10:55 pm

    He has a 1.49 ERA, and is 16/17 in save opportunities. I think that is best in baseball with only one blown save. How in the world is he NOT an All-Star???

    How Does DA or Branyan not get in?

    Simple… The all star game has very little to do with how good of a half-season you are having or how deserving you are.

    And remember, half of the all star voters aren’t even sure Seattle still has a baseball team. They think it got moved to Tampa in the early 90s.

  165. Breadbaker on June 28th, 2009 11:35 pm

    I’m fairly sure everyone who has a say in selecting the pitching staff is aware the Mariners are still in the league.

  166. Axtell on June 29th, 2009 12:17 am

    The all star game is nothing more than a popularity contest, which, to me, is ridiculous considering the implications (home field in the world series) hinges on an exhibition.

    Either let the manager pick his entire roster or get rid of that idiotic one player per team rule. Every year deserving guys get left home because some nobody from the Pirates or Nationals or whatever gets to go. Do away with that antiquated rule and let the managers field the best team possible.

  167. Marinerfan4life on June 29th, 2009 12:42 am

    Wow the ship is sinking quickly in Ranger land! You know you suck when you lose a series to the Padres!

  168. wrob4343 on June 29th, 2009 4:13 am

    How Does DA or Branyan not get in?

    Simple… The all star game has very little to do with how good of a half-season you are having or how deserving you are.

    And remember, half of the all star voters aren’t even sure Seattle still has a baseball team. They think it got moved to Tampa in the early 90s.

    DA should be selected by a manager just to go, but Russel doesn’t have a chance. The AL first base race is about four horses stronger according to this:

  169. BlackHaloBender on June 29th, 2009 9:04 am

    “However, on May 2, 2007 he was traded to the Washington Nationals for Chris Snelling.”

    Full circle.

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