Game 97, Indians at Mariners

Dave · July 25, 2009 at 12:59 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Bedard vs Sowers, 1:10 PM, no TV

As Derek noted below, this one’s not on TV because the M’s are playing an early game in order to accommodate the city’s request to not compete with the Torchlight Parade, and Fox has national blackout rights for all Saturday day games. Yay, stupid MLB regional territory rules.

Saunders makes his MLB debut as the new starting left fielder.

Ichiro, RF
Branyan, 1B
Lopez, 2B
Sweeney, DH
Gutierrez, CF
Hannahan, 3B
Johnson, C
Saunders, LF
Cedeno, SS

Comments

158 Responses to “Game 97, Indians at Mariners”

  1. Marinerz51 on July 25th, 2009 1:19 pm

    SWTF why is this game not on MLB Extra Innings????? Sometimes I hate living in NY. Also Mike Wilson should have got the call over Saunders. Who can wait his turn till September. I want to see what Wilson can do.

  2. joser on July 25th, 2009 1:20 pm

    I don’t think it’s territorality in this case so much as it is Fox wanting to concentrate viewers on its national broadcast with its higher ad rates. Though I could be wrong — the market rules for MLB and broadcasters, each absurd in isolation, combine in ways that actively defy rational analysis.

  3. Scottdids on July 25th, 2009 1:21 pm

    I’m in Canada, and I’m able to watch on MLB.tv. Not sure if there is a US or local blackout though.

  4. Dave on July 25th, 2009 1:22 pm

    SWTF why is this game not on MLB Extra Innings?????

    You could try reading the post.

    Also, stop complaining about Wilson. He sucks.

  5. joser on July 25th, 2009 1:22 pm

    Also Mike Wilson should have got the call over Saunders. Who can wait his turn till September. I want to see what Wilson can do.

    And here I was wondering what we were going to do without Mike Morse to wear that mantle…

  6. joser on July 25th, 2009 1:25 pm

    Also, stop complaining about Wilson. He sucks.

    He also doesn’t play the outfield AFAIK, which kind of matters (at least if you assume Balentien was DFA’d for reasons other than Wakamatsu was just tired of seeing him on the bench every day).

  7. trtlrock on July 25th, 2009 1:26 pm

    I’m talking about Mike Wilson

    We know we know already! He’s 26 years old and has spent all or parts of 4 years in AA. Abraham Nunez once led the NL in spring-training homers:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/nunezab02.shtml

  8. Marinerz51 on July 25th, 2009 1:27 pm

    “I don’t think it’s territorality in this case so much as it is Fox wanting to concentrate viewers on its national broadcast with its higher ad rates. Though I could be wrong — the market rules for MLB and broadcasters, each absurd in isolation, combine in ways that actively defy rational analysis.”

    Ummmmm, Ok? I think you lost me.

  9. tkight on July 25th, 2009 1:29 pm

    Try using a different proxy with MLB.tv — that always works for me.

  10. Marinerz51 on July 25th, 2009 1:33 pm

    I do however, have a hunch that Saunders will hit a HR in his 1st career AB, Ichiro will go 2 for 5, Branyan will hit another mamouth HR, and the Mariners will win 4-1.

  11. joser on July 25th, 2009 1:51 pm

    Ummmmm, Ok? I think you lost me.

    I was saying that I think the blame today lies with Fox, not MLB. (Setting aside the City of Seattle and its selfish runs for charity and multi-decade parade traditions… isn’t about time the proud USS Mariner put an end to this Seafair Pirate scourge? Isn’t that what a Navy is for?)e

  12. Breadbaker on July 25th, 2009 1:53 pm

    To me, the biggest problem with FOX is that it thinks it somehow promotes baseball to discourage teams that are not within its parameters for national promotion from playing Saturday afternoon baseball games.

    Welcome to the bigs, Michael Saunders.

  13. apunetid on July 25th, 2009 1:54 pm

    Saunders’ Gameday picture makes him look like a silhouette.

  14. joser on July 25th, 2009 1:56 pm

    C’mon Tampa, you’re in your second extra inning game in a row, you need to trade with the M’s to get some help!

    (The poor Jays: last night Halladay went 9 innings and struck out 10, but didn’t figure in the decision because Downs gave up a two-run double in the 10th. Today they were leading 9-7 until Downs blew the save by giving up two solo homers in the 9th. I suspect Scott Downs is not a popular guy in the golden horseshoe at the moment)

  15. Utis on July 25th, 2009 1:58 pm

    Go Twins! 2-0 MN.

  16. Breadbaker on July 25th, 2009 1:58 pm

    Jason Kubel just hit a two-run homer for the Twins. He owed us this one.

  17. PWRSTROKIN on July 25th, 2009 2:00 pm

    I do however, have a hunch that Saunders will hit a HR in his 1st career AB, Ichiro will go 2 for 5, Branyan will hit another mamouth HR, and the Mariners will win 4-1.

    ok maybe 2nd AB?

  18. Lauren, token chick on July 25th, 2009 2:06 pm

    Two outs in the third and the Angels don’t have a hit yet. *blissful sigh*

  19. trtlrock on July 25th, 2009 2:07 pm

    Sowers 2.0 IP 28 pitches

    Bedard 2.1 IP 62 pitches

    Hmmm…will Bedard make it through the 4th?

  20. Sodomojostrikesback on July 25th, 2009 2:09 pm

    I’m rather sick of Bedard throwing 20+ pitches an inning. 5 Strikeouts, 3 walks at the moment, only 1 hit. He tries to be way too cute when he’s ahead in the count, and when he’s behind he’s too afriad to rely on his defense.

  21. Sodomojostrikesback on July 25th, 2009 2:13 pm

    Mariners need to sign Crash Davis to remind Bedard of the democratic aspects of baseball.

  22. Lauren, token chick on July 25th, 2009 2:14 pm

    Ugh.

    Jakubauskas warming up? Guess he’s not pitching tomorrow.

  23. Breadbaker on July 25th, 2009 2:14 pm

    “In his last start as a Mariner, Erik Bedards . . . “

  24. Scottdids on July 25th, 2009 2:14 pm

    Agreed, Bedard needs to learn the word efficiency.

  25. Sports on a Schtick on July 25th, 2009 2:16 pm

    Congrats Erik, you struck out the side. Hurray.

  26. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 2:18 pm

    “Try using a different proxy with MLB.tv — that always works for me.”

    Once you have cleared the “verifying” step, you can also turn off the proxy so your internet speed is normal again (thus best quality video). Interestingly, MLB doesn’t just check continually in the background that you aren’t using this proxy trick. My guess is that it’s because they really don’t care, it’s just previous deals that require that they have something in place to look like they care. Although, I believe the Padres and Yankees no longer have any blackouts on MLB.TV, so I’m guessing it’s coming eventually everywhere.

  27. Scottdids on July 25th, 2009 2:18 pm

    Now some runs maybe? I think we’re at 14 innings without a run now. I forget which inning we last scored on Thursday.

  28. Utis on July 25th, 2009 2:22 pm

    Branyan, sacrifice bunt? With one out? What’s that about? Was he trying to beat the shift?

  29. Wood Dog on July 25th, 2009 2:23 pm

    yeah, WTF is that bunt about? I really don’t get that

  30. Sports on a Schtick on July 25th, 2009 2:24 pm

    Angels tie the game. Of course.

  31. Sodomojostrikesback on July 25th, 2009 2:27 pm

    I think that last pitch pretty much answered the buy or sell question.

  32. DAMellen on July 25th, 2009 2:28 pm

    Bedard out? What happened?

  33. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 2:28 pm

    “Agreed, Bedard needs to learn the word efficiency.”

    I just started listening today (so don’t know about this game), but previously it seems to me that Bedard is a little too good for his own good. His best pitch is a pitch that is really tough to throw for a strike (sometimes just because the umps can’t judge whether good curve balls are strikes or not a lot of the time it seems). If he gets away from that pitch, he’s not really that special; so he has to throw it a lot to have the success he has. But it also means a lot of extra pitches, even when he has his command. When he doesn’t, it means a ton of extra pitches. Then of course give his great “stuff”, it’s tough for hitters to square up on the ball (and sometimes hit it at all). So if I had to guess, I’d bet he gets a lot more fouls hit off him than league average (I’ve not looked it up, but it seems likely), as well as the higher swing and miss rate. These types of things just don’t add up to efficiency.

  34. Sports on a Schtick on July 25th, 2009 2:28 pm

    Angels take the lead. Of course.

  35. JHeino on July 25th, 2009 2:30 pm

    I think that any runs scored in the first 5 innings should be given to the starting pitcher. 3 innings? Seriously?

    Sell Bedard.

  36. Liam on July 25th, 2009 2:30 pm

    Bedard establishing his health and value with 3 IP.

    Should we take what we can get by the deadline, trade him in August or just take the draft pick?

  37. joser on July 25th, 2009 2:31 pm

    I see somebody is keeping Saunders’ Wikipedia entry right up-to-date.

    So with this unbroken string of LH pitchers and a team desperate for offense, shouldn’t (.270 /.314 / .415 career vs LHP) Johjima be starting instead of (.154 / .200 / .269) Johnson, personal caddy and cERA be damned?

  38. mrw88 on July 25th, 2009 2:32 pm

    Do you think Bedard got pulled because there is a trade in the works or is it because he just throws so many pitches every inning?

  39. joser on July 25th, 2009 2:32 pm

    Maybe Bedard was pulled from the game for the same reason Brignac was? No? Ponies!

  40. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 2:34 pm

    So, Jak isn’t getting the start tomorrow as previously announced I guess.

    On a different note, with Lee going tomorrow (probable Mariner loss) and the Halos winning today (I’m just projecting there, but does anyone think they won’t? ;-) ), the decision looks like it’s being made for Jack. M’s lose today and it’s a probable sweep for the Indians. Too bad Bedard couldn’t have had a super strong start to maybe garner some extra trade value (if he has any at all at this point…)

  41. Sodomojostrikesback on July 25th, 2009 2:34 pm

    This feels a lot like the series we had a few weeks ago against Baltimore. Just with an emphasis on inefficient pitching rather than bad defense up the middle.

  42. joser on July 25th, 2009 2:36 pm

    Well, hey, it’s a good thing the M’s are struggling against this part of Cleveland’s rotation. I mean it could be worse. Would hate to be facing a Cy Young winner tomorrow.

    I’m not sure what’s going on with the Bedard question, but as of right now, Jakubauskas is not the answer.

  43. Utis on July 25th, 2009 2:36 pm

    My fear is Bedard is hurt again. Otherwise he would have done his one hundred+ piches in five innings.

  44. Techno_Viking- on July 25th, 2009 2:38 pm

    Can we call our playoff chances off now? With the Angels about to go on an 8 game tear, and us about to lose a series to the Indians I think it’s fair to say we can look a bit farther ahead. I feel better than ever though considering I’m optimistic instead of scared with Dr. Z at the helm.

  45. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 2:39 pm

    Well Johnson’s cERA just went up today. And coming up with Washburn likely getting traded and *maybe* Bedard, his cERA’s about to go much much higher. And hopefully our consolation will be seeing him play much, much less (maybe even only when Felix throws *crosses fingers*). I never thought I’d be so desperate to see Joh as our starting backstop.

    On a different note, I’m guessing right about now JZ is calling back those GM’s he likely had pending “sell” deals with and saying “ok, let’s do this”.

  46. Sodomojostrikesback on July 25th, 2009 2:42 pm

    If Bedard had given up more than 2 hits I might agree that he was hurt. I think they just pulled him in disgust, thanks to his 39 pitch inning, on top of the 2 20ish pitch innings before it. There just wasn’t a justification to leave him in once he managed to give up 2 runs on 3 walks and a hit.

  47. JHeino on July 25th, 2009 2:44 pm

    That’s 2 runs on 3 walks and a hit with 6 K’s.

  48. Sports on a Schtick on July 25th, 2009 2:44 pm

    9 runs in the inning for the Angels. Cesar Izturis just jacked one out. If that isn’t a sign I don’t know what is.

  49. Liam on July 25th, 2009 2:45 pm

    The Angels with a 9 spot in the 4th on only 2 outs, I’ll take one of those.

  50. ayoon on July 25th, 2009 2:51 pm

    Sell, sell, sell!

  51. JHeino on July 25th, 2009 2:51 pm

    Chris Tillman to start Wednesday for Baltimore. Good for him.

  52. joser on July 25th, 2009 2:51 pm

    Yeah, I’ve been a hold-out, but the way this game and the Angels game are shaping up, I’m stepping ino the “sell” boots with both feet too.

  53. henryv on July 25th, 2009 2:52 pm

    Let’s hope that Bedard got pulled because of impending trade

    Should we take what we can get by the deadline, trade him in August or just take the draft pick?

    We’re not getting anything of note if we hold on to Bedard.

    Twins did a great job of showing why defense matters in that inning. Two plays that would have been outs with our outfielders, but were doubles with the Twinkies outfield.

  54. joser on July 25th, 2009 2:53 pm

    Chris Tillman to start Wednesday for Baltimore. Good for him.

    Yeah, good for him. That trade is just the gift that keeps on giving. Having Bill Bavasi as an ex-GM is kind of like having an ex-lover with herpes.

  55. trtlrock on July 25th, 2009 2:55 pm

    9 runs in the inning for the Angels. Cesar Izturis just jacked one out. If that isn’t a sign I don’t know what is

    It’s Maicer, and he’s a quite useful player. The Nats foolishly gave him away in the Guillen deal, and if the M’s had him he’d be the starting SS or 2B…

  56. mw3 on July 25th, 2009 2:56 pm

    I have been firmly in the ‘buy’ camp and after the last two days it is definitely time to sell. But lets sell everyone including Branyan and Aardsma.

  57. joser on July 25th, 2009 2:57 pm

    (Looking around for something to distract me from this train wreck)…Some good stuff in B-R’s “Today in Baseball”:

    1900 – The Boston Beaneaters score 13 runs in the first inning against the Cardinals on 10 hits, including two triples by Buck Freeman, and four errors. The game is shortened by rain after six innings and Boston wins, 18-5.

    1908 – Future Red Sox pitcher Hugh Bedient, pitching for a semi-pro Falconer, NY team, strikes out 42 batters in what is heralded as a world’s record. He does it 23 innings against Corry, PA, finally winning, 3-1. He is matched all the way by Charles Bickford. When the wire services pick up the story, Bedient will receive 19 pro offers.

    1908 – With the Highlanders leading the Tigers 3-2 in the 8th, Detroit scores two runs on a Ty Cobb triple. With lefty Claude Rossman the next hitter, New York’s new manager Kid Elberfeld moves righty pitcher Jack Chesbro to 1B and replaces him with first baseman Hal Chase. Chase allows a fly ball that scores Cobb, then goes back to 1B and Chesbro resumes his spot on the mound. It is Chase’s only pitching appearance as the Tigers win 5-3.

  58. DAMellen on July 25th, 2009 2:57 pm

    So Bedard’s not hurt, right? He just sucked?

  59. henryv on July 25th, 2009 2:58 pm

    So, the M’s are about to be 7.5 out of the AL West, and 6 out of the Wild Card.

    Please, GMZ, lets get a shortstop who has an OPS higher than his weight, a 2B who moves quicker than a Manatee, and maybe some good left-handed pull hitter to DH.

    Bedard, Wlad, and Washburn, we appreciate your service, but we’re “moving in another direction”.

  60. trtlrock on July 25th, 2009 3:01 pm

    Hugh Bedient…strikes out 42 batters…he does it 23 innings…finally winning, 3-1.

    Yep — back when men were men. Stupid Bedard.

  61. henryv on July 25th, 2009 3:01 pm

    Is Cuddyer really as awful an outfielder as he is playing today?

  62. Coolalvin206 on July 25th, 2009 3:02 pm

    Who would of thought the M’s would have officially became sellers against the 2nd worst AL team at home. What a friggin disapointment.

  63. Utis on July 25th, 2009 3:04 pm

    I thought last night was bad. Today is even worse. And the Angel’s game isn’t helping.

  64. mrw88 on July 25th, 2009 3:07 pm

    So how soon can we expect to see some changes around here?

  65. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 3:07 pm

    “including Branyan”

    I don’t think you’d get much for him, given his recent “slump” and his lack of sustained track record. Plus a slugging first baseman isn’t the hardest thing in the world to find. I wouldn’t mind seeing him back next year as a 1st baseman and/or DH, with Carp at first if he can show he can hit in the bigs.

    I’m with you on the Aardsma trade however; very replaceable and probably very good value as for some reason there are teams that drastically over value relief pitchers.

  66. joser on July 25th, 2009 3:14 pm

    Since he couldn’t throw a strike, Jakubauskas was trying to help the team by starting a fight. But hey, there’s some evidence that works in hockey.

    (No, as wild as he was I don’t think he could’ve hit a batter he was aiming at either)

  67. henryv on July 25th, 2009 3:15 pm

    Bedard through 81 pitches, only 47 for strikes.

    It would almost make sense that Wak was told not to push Bedard much passed 80 in case of a trade.

    Lets hope this is his last game with us.

  68. mrw88 on July 25th, 2009 3:17 pm

    The only reason I can see GMZ keeping Aardsma aroung is because he is still young.

    And i agree Branyan is worth more keeping him on the team than in the trade market.

  69. Marinerz51 on July 25th, 2009 3:17 pm

    What am I missing guys? Should I be regretting not watching this game on TV due to the incompetence of my cable company not putting the game on MLB EI?

  70. flashbeak on July 25th, 2009 3:19 pm

    Lopez is such a fat waste of bench space.

  71. mw3 on July 25th, 2009 3:20 pm

    Erik Bedard is a loser. The anti-Roy Hobbs. The kind of man who makes his greatest strides when it does not matter and is woefully inadequate when it does.

  72. Lauren, token chick on July 25th, 2009 3:20 pm

    I don’t think any of us should regret not seeing this game.

    I’m a little depressed about going to tomorrow’s.

  73. flashbeak on July 25th, 2009 3:23 pm

    Goodbye, even the tiniest bit of contention.

  74. Marinerz51 on July 25th, 2009 3:24 pm

    Wow, that bad? Thank you Time Warner, for not putting this game on. I probably would have broke something out of rage and possibly even thrown my girlfriends poodle out the window. Blessing in disguise i guess.

  75. Faceplant on July 25th, 2009 3:25 pm

    I probably would have broke something out of rage and possibly even thrown my girlfriends poodle out the window.

    You could still do that.

  76. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 3:25 pm

    Wow, the M’s haven’t been blown out hardly at all this year, and now back to back nights against one of the worst teams in baseball. *scratches head*

  77. Techno_Viking- on July 25th, 2009 3:26 pm

    One question. Is Saunders responsible for any of our 4 hits?

  78. Faceplant on July 25th, 2009 3:28 pm

    Saunders is 0-2, Techno.

  79. mrw88 on July 25th, 2009 3:29 pm

    If we start selling and Beltre or Lopez is not part of our future plans, Do you think losing those guys would affect Felix’s decision whether to stay or go?

  80. TomTuttle on July 25th, 2009 3:30 pm

    Not that we were “buyers” to begin with, but it’s definitely time to trade off a few of those expiring contracts.

    It’d be nice though to try and extend Washburn for a discount. . .

  81. flashbeak on July 25th, 2009 3:31 pm

    The worst was in 2007 in that miserable Yankee series in the Bronx that pretty much made it official that the playoffs were no longer a possibility. I threw my TV remote at the plasma screen TV set in rage and it was not a pretty result.

  82. Utis on July 25th, 2009 3:32 pm

    The Indians have a good line up (336 wOBA). It is their piching and defense that have given them trouble. Against our woeful offense their flaws are minimized.

  83. Farmer Cam on July 25th, 2009 3:33 pm

    So, ummm… yeah… SELL SELL SELL

  84. Marinerman1979 on July 25th, 2009 3:34 pm

    Well, that’s that. Now lets get some pieces for 2010.

  85. joser on July 25th, 2009 3:34 pm

    I’m a little depressed about going to tomorrow’s.

    The perversity of the universe tending towards a maximum, you may get to see the M’s beat a reigning Cy Young winner. And you could pretend to be a kid, or have one (“he’s around here somewhere”), and get a kid’s Ichiro jersey.

  86. Faceplant on July 25th, 2009 3:35 pm

    It’d be nice though to try and extend Washburn for a discount. . .

    I’m going to go out on a limb and say that even with a “discount” Washburn is still going to be paid more than he’s worth.

  87. jefffrane on July 25th, 2009 3:37 pm

    I’m so glad I can’t watch this on tv, and chose not to follow it on the radio. Worse than seeing the pounding would have been listening to the poor guys in the booth trying to find a glimmer of hope at the bottom of each inning. “Well, if Ichiro can get on and Branyan parks one in the stands, it won’t be a shutout!”

  88. flashbeak on July 25th, 2009 3:38 pm

    Guti has reached base 3 times. Our little league caliber lineup would be really sad without him.

  89. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 3:41 pm

    “Washburn is still going to be paid more than he’s worth.”

    Well but is anything he’s doing this year not sustainable (assuming the M’s keep their stellar outfield defense which pretty much looks likely barring injury)? So while, he’s not nearly as good as his ERA indicates, he has stated he doesn’t need to make any more money and was going to retire, but would like to come back to Seattle now to try and make up for the last few years. So it might be a significant discount.

    Although, there is always the Boras factor. He seems to not listen to his clients when they have preferences about teams and discounts. But maybe Wash would pull a Kenny Rogers and just fire Boras and make the deal himself when Boras wouldn’t make the deal Rogers wanted with the Tigers.

  90. Lauren, token chick on July 25th, 2009 3:41 pm

    The Twins are within 4 now… *grasps feebly at straw-like substance*

  91. Farmer Cam on July 25th, 2009 3:43 pm

    From Rob Neyer… “As things stand now, the Mariners are simply a bit too lefty-heavy.”

    Is it just me or does it seem like yesterday we had a team that was predominantely right handed and vulnerable to right handed sinkerball pitchers… and now… too left handed?

  92. henryv on July 25th, 2009 3:43 pm

    If you’re bored and depressed go look at Jim Rice’s numbers and compare they to Edgar’s numbers.

  93. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 3:46 pm

    “The Twins are within 4 now”

    At this point I think “of course the Twins will win”. And then the M’s will win tomorrow somehow and the Halos will lose, just to once again tantalize us with “we can do this” possibilities; only then to crush us yet again in some intangible way.

    It’s seems like that’s the way this season has gone (April awesomeness/hope; followed by crushing May realities; followed by awesome June and most of July only to see the Halos better us somehow; then series after series of “must wins” that the M’s would win against tough teams, only to lose the next one against some crappy team)… *sigh*

  94. henryv on July 25th, 2009 3:47 pm

    I’m not so sure that Washburn is going to be able to turn down $15 million or more for a couple year’s service… Regardless who his agent is.

  95. Marinerman1979 on July 25th, 2009 3:49 pm

    Guti has reached base 3 times. Our little league caliber lineup would be really sad without him.

    lol…You make it sound as if they aren’t already.

  96. Faceplant on July 25th, 2009 3:51 pm

    I just can’t see Washburn doing that bilbo. I mean, it’s possible he’s just a really great guy, and he’s telling the truth that he doesn’t care about the money.

    But every player says that, and it’s rarely true. Most free agents are going to go to the highest bidder. I’m not sure why Washburn would be any different.

  97. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 3:59 pm

    I normally think that as well, and it could well be the case here. But there is the factor that before this season, he had pretty much decided he was going to retire, even at his relatively young age. Mainly for his family supposedly. His family has convinced him now though that he should continue to pitch. And given that they supposedly love the Seattle area, if he was willing to retire for them at a young age, he may well be willing to take a significant discount if they actually want to stay in the Seattle area.

    Now it could all just be a smoke screen. Players say stuff like this all the time. And heck, Boras could even use it to up his value. “Well, Washburn and his family really love Seattle and are pretty much set on returning there, but I guess if you could maybe throw in a few million more a year or add an extra year on that contract, I might be able to convince him to go to your team.” ;-)

  98. Marinerman1979 on July 25th, 2009 4:01 pm

    I don’t want Washburn back. Thanks.

  99. flashbeak on July 25th, 2009 4:02 pm

    Memory tells me Sowers wiped away his overall suckiness and pitched a shutout against us a few seasons back… Correct? I guess he decided to take that route tonight as well.

  100. mw3 on July 25th, 2009 4:02 pm

    If there is any justice, Wak will have Batista pitch the ninth again.

  101. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 4:04 pm

    20 consecutive scoreless innings for the M’s… That hurts.

  102. tmac9311 on July 25th, 2009 4:06 pm

    well i think we can officially call ourselves done, The Angels CAN’T lose right now, and we’ve lost two straight, bring on Ian Snell and Reid Brignac

  103. Marinerman1979 on July 25th, 2009 4:07 pm

    Yeah…that would make this season a success.

  104. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 4:13 pm

    Wow Olson more or less out pitched Bedard today. He seems to like the bullpen apparently. Maybe on days Olson “starts” the M’s should start with Aardsma, then go to Lowe, then White, then put Olson in to finish out the game. ;-)

  105. Liam on July 25th, 2009 4:14 pm

    At 7.5 back with 6 days until the deadline, that allows Zduriencik to make the deals we should without any of the media backlash. Then we go on an extended winning streak and get right back in it.

  106. msb on July 25th, 2009 4:15 pm

    Well, I guess I am happy I missed the first 2 hours of this fine game.

    I do have a swell hat to wear on Dave Sims Hat Night, however.

  107. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 4:19 pm

    On the plus side, a few more outings like this, and we won’t have to hear about Johnson’s cERA anymore. :-)

  108. Liam on July 25th, 2009 4:21 pm

    Barring any trades, who do they move to make room for Vargas tomorrow?

  109. msb on July 25th, 2009 4:22 pm

    It is sad when the umps start giving out mercy runs.

  110. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 4:25 pm

    MAN! Saunders got robbed there.

  111. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 4:27 pm

    Given that the bullpen’s thin after today, I’d say it would have to be a position player (or trade *crosses fingers*)

  112. flashbeak on July 25th, 2009 4:31 pm

    Yay! Lopez delivers again!

  113. SequimRealEstate on July 25th, 2009 4:32 pm

    joser Yeah, good for him. That trade is just the gift that keeps on giving. Having Bill Bavasi as an ex-GM is kind of like having an ex-lover with herpes.

    I laugh out loud then thought about it and yep Bavasi was herpes to this franchise.

  114. joser on July 25th, 2009 4:34 pm

    Dave getting me all excited about Saunders almost-first-homerun…. sigh.

    And the M’s stage a valiant comeback in the bottom of the 9th…. Why couldn’t this have been the karmic refund for that insane up-by-12-and-lost game against these same Indians? Oh well, save that retribution for a season when the M’s are on a boat to the playoffs I guess.

    Wow Olson more or less out pitched Bedard today. He seems to like the bullpen apparently. Maybe on days Olson “starts” the M’s should start with Aardsma, then go to Lowe, then White, then put Olson in to finish out the game.

    Somebody suggested the “backwards” pitching staff recently, I remember reading an article about it. Lots of problems, not least with the way the Wins and Saves stats are apportioned.

  115. msb on July 25th, 2009 4:39 pm

    Dave getting me all excited about Saunders almost-first-homerun…. sigh.

    I guess it was a home run, until Gimenez brought it back.

  116. joser on July 25th, 2009 4:40 pm

    On the plus side, a few more outings like this, and we won’t have to hear about Johnson’s cERA anymore

    Unfortunately, the kind of people who keep bringing that up are the kind of people who make cherry-picking “If you ignore his X and Y starts” arguments.

  117. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 4:44 pm

    True, I could see Sims saying something like “Well if you ignore the last X starts caught by Johnson where the M’s pitched awfully, his cERA is the best in baseball”. He probably wouldn’t even see the inconsistency in saying something like that.

  118. Marinerman1979 on July 25th, 2009 4:55 pm

    Now the question is: how will Matt Pittman spin these last two games as a good thing for the M’s?

  119. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 5:09 pm

    Mat Pitman is more likely to cry “sell sell sell” I should think. He’s incredibly reactionary. If the M’s get blown out a couple games in a row (even in May), he’s all about “it’s over, lets get rid of everybody and start over”. Then the next day, they’ll play great and he’ll say things like “Wow. How good is this team? Can you say ‘World Series run’?” Same type of thing with individual performances by players any given day.

    And then in the same breath, he’ll criticize fans who do the same thing telling them “baseball’s a long season, relax” while he hangs up on them and calls them idiots (not saying they aren’t being idiots, but as a host you can’t do that).

    I stopped listening to the post game show this year when he took over as the main guy. I never thought I’d wish for Tom back on there.

  120. Marinerman1979 on July 25th, 2009 5:19 pm

    Yeah. He has become a mouthpiece. What’s worse, he rarely backs his arguments up. Very Similar to what Steve Sandmeyer does.

  121. scott19 on July 25th, 2009 5:27 pm

    Erik Bedard is a loser. The anti-Roy Hobbs. The kind of man who makes his greatest strides when it does not matter and is woefully inadequate when it does.

    Funny…during last night’s game, my thought watching RRS battle his arse off and throw seven halfway-decent innings after missing most of the
    season was “Word to Erik Bedard: watch and learn”.

    But, apparently, he didn’t.

  122. daveblev on July 25th, 2009 5:28 pm

    It’s time to sell for real. Ken Griffey needs to go ASAP. Hopefully on his bobblhead night he announces it’s his last game. He hasn’t done anything at the plate for the Mariners this season. I’m tired of seeing him ground out. He should take Sweeney with him. Both were terrible signings to begin with.

  123. Faceplant on July 25th, 2009 5:34 pm

    I do find it enjoyable, though, when Drayer beats up on Pittman.

  124. Faceplant on July 25th, 2009 5:36 pm

    while he hangs up on them and calls them idiots (not saying they aren’t being idiots, but as a host you can’t do that).

    Isn’t that pretty much what’s done on every political talk radio show in America?

  125. Sports on a Schtick on July 25th, 2009 5:38 pm

    Baker says Bedard met with Wak and GMZ, might be hurt. Getting checked tomorrow. More good news.

  126. Marinerman1979 on July 25th, 2009 5:41 pm

    The fans who call into KIRO are spectacularly stupid. “Uh…we need to get a hitter with a high average like Brian Roberts…”. Oh right…yeah…that’s totally feasible.

  127. daveblev on July 25th, 2009 5:43 pm

    [no name-calling, this is not a new rule]

  128. scott19 on July 25th, 2009 5:46 pm

    To his credit, at least Pittman, though, will actually let people on the air for a bit before he hangs up on them. Those a-clowns from KOMO’s post-game show used to screen out every call they didn’t like…i.e. every one that was even the least bit critical of whatever boneheaded moves Bavasi and the FO were making.

  129. Marinerz51 on July 25th, 2009 5:52 pm

    Guess it’s time to start looking forward to football season. *sigh*. Go Packers *sigh*

  130. Marinerman1979 on July 25th, 2009 5:54 pm

    To his credit, at least Pittman, though, will actually let people on the air for a bit before he hangs up on them. Those a-clowns from KOMO’s post-game show used to screen out every call they didn’t like…i.e. every one that was even the least bit critical of whatever boneheaded moves Bavasi and the FO were making

    Yep. Komo wanted you to be rosy, or take a hike.

  131. joser on July 25th, 2009 6:10 pm

    Now the question is: how will Matt Pittman spin these last two games as a good thing for the M’s?

    Before I turned off the radio the host on the postgame show (I assume it was Pittman) was calling for the trade of Bedard. Whoever it was, he certainly didn’t sound like he was putting a positive spin on anything from the past couple of days.

  132. daveblev on July 25th, 2009 6:19 pm

    My bad..didn’t intend to break the rules.

  133. Jeff Nye on July 25th, 2009 6:28 pm

    Thanks for owning up to the mistake rather than going off on a rant-filled tirade about how your free expression has been unfairly curtailed!

    But yeah, we don’t allow namecalling. Being frustrated is fine, but keep it non-personal and focused on the actions rather than the person.

  134. daveblev on July 25th, 2009 6:36 pm

    No tirade here, it’s understandable..I’m sure those that have facebook pages delete comments from others in the same fashion. I know I have.

  135. mw3 on July 25th, 2009 7:27 pm

    Bedard is hurt I’m sure. Let us just hope he can hold on to his type B status and then Bavasi will have traded our future for Steve Baron.

  136. jld on July 25th, 2009 7:41 pm

    Well I’m kinda glad that we’ve lost two in a row. It makes selling that much clearer, and will lessen the media’s pressure to buy buy buy and make a run. I’m rather build a solid 95 win team for the future. I’m totally getting season tickets next year.

  137. GoMariners on July 25th, 2009 8:59 pm

    Hmm, Salk has a piece about a three-team trade involving the Ms. I don’t quite like Kazmir coming to Seattle. I am excited about Brignac, though.

  138. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 9:30 pm

    “I do find it enjoyable, though, when Drayer beats up on Pittman.”

    Ya, I do miss Drayer’s insight on the team. But she gives a bit in her blog and even as good as the rest is, to me it’s not worth enduring Mat Pitman on a daily basis.

    I’ve been wondering how she was coping with Pitman everyday her self. I seem to remember last year her getting pretty incredibly annoyed with him on the air and occasionally even having something of a fight with him over something stupid he was saying. :-)

  139. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 9:41 pm

    “The biggest Mariner rumor floating around is a three-team deal that would involve the M’s, Indians and Rays. According to the rumor, the M’s would trade RHP Brandon Morrow and/or C/1B Jeff Clement to Cleveland, the Indians would send LHP Cliff Lee and/or C/1B Victor Martinez to Tampa, and the Rays would send LHP Scott Kazmir and SS Reid Brignac to Seattle.”

    I’ve got to say, I’d take that deal. Clement has no future here whatsoever, even if he can catch and obviously isn’t valuable at all if it’s the alternative (a good DH is easy to find when not blocked by one of the greatest players of all time on his farewell tour). So basically nothing too valuable given up there. We then give up Morrow, who may or may not be valuable at some point (you’d think he will be with his stuff, but I trust JZ and his team to be able to determine that best in terms of how valuable he actually is vs what we can get for him).

    So we give one probable value (Morrow) and one not valuable to us (Clement) and get one probable very valuable even this year (Brignac) and one maybe valuable depending on health and command (Kazmir). Seems like a somewhat even trade with slight tips to the M’s if Kazmir stays healthy although I’m not sure what kind of money he’s owed or how many years coming up. So that might skew things.

    In any event, I like the trade partially because it gives us one piece we desperately need going forward in Brignac, but still keeps some of our bigger trade pieces here for another trade (Washburn and Aardsma) and even allows us to trade Wash and have Kazmir who can fill in right now. That trade even makes us better now even if we trade Washburn. So it goes along with JZ’s mantra of “I’m always looking to make the team better regardless. Rebuilding’s not my vocabulary”. “Typical Idiot Fans” will be happy because nobodies waving the white flag on this season with that trade. And I’d think most people here would be happy because we’d have our potential plus shortstop of the future without really hurting much of any part of the teams future.

  140. TheMsfan on July 25th, 2009 10:14 pm

    There has to be other prospects involved in this deal coming from Tampa bay. They get rid of a contract they dont care for and only give up brignac for cliff lee (i dont buy the v mart part of it either)? Just doesn’t add up to me.

    If i’m GMZ though, I absolutely jump at this, allows them to move Washburn and Bedard in separate moves (assuming that Bedard is healthy) and aqquire more quality/quantity.

  141. Jeff Nye on July 25th, 2009 10:22 pm

    His name is “Zduriencik”. GMZ is not an acceptable abbreviation.

  142. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 10:31 pm

    “Just doesn’t add up to me.”

    I agree has stated. But usually in these types of deals the central pieces get revealed and the “lesser” pieces usually take the trade actually happening to find out.

    I’d guess that Tampa might be sending a prospect or two the Indians way. With just these central pieces, the deal isn’t very good for the Indians and as you said, is a little too good for Tampa. I think for the Mariners, it sounds pretty even in terms of what’s going and what’s coming; though of course what’s supposedly coming is what the M’s need right now and in the future.

  143. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 10:32 pm

    “GMZ is not an acceptable abbreviation.”

    Why?

  144. TheMsfan on July 25th, 2009 10:32 pm

    Won’t happen again. Cant promise I’ll spell acquire right, though.

  145. Techno_Viking- on July 25th, 2009 10:42 pm

    “GMZ is not an acceptable abbreviation.”

    Why?

    How is it any different from AA for Aardsma? Or is that also unacceptable and I didn’t know it?

  146. Jeff Nye on July 25th, 2009 11:30 pm

    I’m sorry, where did I give the impression that what I said was up for debate?

    There’s a myriad of reasons, from readability (I’ve been confused a few times when I read “GMZ” as “DMZ”) to common respect (would you call him GMZ to his face?)

    We don’t really ask that much of you guys, you know.

    And no, I’m not fond of “AA” either but it’s only got one of the two problems I listed above.

  147. Techno_Viking- on July 25th, 2009 11:47 pm

    Didn’t say I wouldn’t follow the rule. Just me and apparently bilbo27 wanted the reasons. Thank you it makes perfect sense now and sorry for the arguing.

  148. bilbo27 on July 25th, 2009 11:52 pm

    “How is it any different from AA for Aardsma? Or is that also unacceptable and I didn’t know it?”

    That’s kind of how I feel. How is that different than JZ, RRS, Joh, Jr, “The DA”, AA, Gutie, “The King”, Jak, etc? And who gets to decide here what acronyms or nicknames are ok to use and which are not? Is there a memo or something that goes out every season on what is allowed here? ;-)

    Restricting these nicknames seems silly. I mean, as long as everybody knows who the commenter is talking about and they aren’t being derogatory (such as “Dumbassi” for Bavasi or the like), then I would think it would be fine. The purpose of names as labels for a person is so we have a mechanism for referring in words (or acronyms) to one person or another. As long as everybody is on the same page in terms of “GMZ means Jack Zduriencik” then restricting or forcing someone to spell out the whole name, just seems petty and a tad elitist in terms of “Only we get to decide what acronyms are allowed”.

    This same “spirit”, if you will, is why none of my Mariner friends read this site; they get turned off pretty quickly by people calling them idiots in comment threads (because they probably were being idiots in terms of not knowing what they are talking about). But instead, wouldn’t it be better to educate them constructively about why their comment is wrong so they stop being idiots and I don’t have to listen to things like them tell me why Johnson is the most valuable player on the team? That’s not to say there aren’t a certain class of idiotic comments that should be removed, there are. But a commenter who seriously says something like “Rob Johnson is the best catcher in baseball right now.”, I think should be told constructively why that is wrong, rather than comment deleted or flamed by people.

    I think some of the moderators really need to take a good long look into whether they really are wanting to help educate the “Mariner nation” as I’ve heard professed by some of the authors from time to time or if they just want a special club that only the smartest baseball fans are allowed to be in. If it’s the latter then fine it’s your site, but make that clear somewhere explicitly.

    I love this site and it’s some of the best baseball analysis you’ll find anywhere on the Mariners (even from some commentators), but I know an awful lot of people that hate it for these above reasons. And to me it’s very counter productive in spreading intelligent baseball knowledge and helping people who aren’t as well versed in advanced statistical analysis in baseball. One of the big problems I see in SABR, and something that keeps it from gaining traction quicker, is the same type of thing we see in the IT industry with Linux. Most all Linux users know they are smarter than everybody else, and they love making sure everyone else knows it, often unfortunately in a somewhat derogatory way like insulting someone who can’t compile their own kernel instead of teaching them how. This turns people off to Linux and keeps them using inferior product that they have to pay for, when they could have just gotten Linux free and had about the same user experience (if not better in system performance and the like).

    Anyways, that’s my rant. I mean it completley constructively and I hope it’s taken as such. This is a great site and you guys do a fantastic job in my opinion in just about every area but this one. :-)

  149. Jeff Nye on July 26th, 2009 12:17 am

    I don’t even know where to start with that comment, so I’ll just say this:

    You’re vastly misjudging the motives of the people who put their time and effort into maintaining this place.

  150. Techno_Viking- on July 26th, 2009 12:19 am

    I agree. I mean isn’t USSM credited with the nickname “King Felix” I don’t see how GMZ is a problem of respect considering this is a blog (we’re not talking to these people we nickname) and neither of the two are negative in any conceivable way.

    As for the other reason that makes sense albeit has never happened to me. Again though I won’t be using the abbreviation any time soon.

  151. TheMsfan on July 26th, 2009 12:34 am

    I hope that its obvious that my intention wasnt to bring a discussion on elitist editors of a free blog, Jeff. Had just never seen anyone mention that the nickname was uncouth.

  152. joser on July 26th, 2009 12:45 am

    That’s kind of how I feel. How is that different than JZ, RRS, Joh, Jr, “The DA”, AA, Gutie, “The King”, Jak, etc? And who gets to decide here what acronyms or nicknames are ok to use and which are not? Is there a memo or something that goes out every season on what is allowed here?

    The people who run this site get to decide what’s acceptable. Their site, their rules. Yeah, it’s arbitrary. So are the rules about what words are considered an obscenity (here or anywhere else) or what words are derogatory, or insulting, or whatever. You can’t swear in front of my grandmother and you can’t call this a “board”; you can’t use the “N word” out on the street and you can’t come here and call him GMZ. Or use any of the other words deemed unacceptable. The rest of us seem capable of living within these restrictions (without finding them particularly restricting) so I’m not sure why you’re having so much trouble.

    So yes, there is in fact a memo, and Jeff Nye just gave it to you.

  153. joser on July 26th, 2009 12:47 am

    I’ve been wondering how she was coping with Pitman everyday her self. I seem to remember last year her getting pretty incredibly annoyed with him on the air and occasionally even having something of a fight with him over something stupid he was saying.

    Lately she’s had other battles to fight. And win.

  154. Jeff Nye on July 26th, 2009 12:50 am

    Haha, thanks for those links, joser, as well as the support. Exactly what I needed.

  155. bilbo27 on July 26th, 2009 3:47 am

    “I’m not sure why you’re having so much trouble. ”

    Me personally, I’m not. It’s more for other people and I was trying to be constructive as this is my field of expertise. I think it’s just that my profession is website development (both programatically, marketing, and usability), and I have implemented, developed, and grown almost solely by myself a few sites that have been community driven and have sold for a few million a piece. So I’m really good at it, and a lot of these types of things I was talking about that I see here are the opposite of what you should do if you are interested in growing your site at all beyond your staple audience. And not doing them doesn’t necessarily need to compromise the integrity of the site or quality of comment threads. Indeed they can get better and more educational.

    The second reason is that I’ve sent a few people here, including my wife a while back who I finally got interested enough in baseball to want to learn more. The reception she got was actually the she misspelled Zduriencik’s name (ironically enough) on her first comment which was a question she posted and subsequently didn’t have her questioned answered and rather it was edited with something to the effect of “Learn to spell Zduriencik”. She has never come back and no longer has any interest in learning more about the game (much to my chagrin). She was turned off of baseball by the people here right as she was starting to get interested; when to me if handled a little differently the opposite could have been achieved and the same for so many others. Which would be great for this site and great for the Mariners as well.

    But as was said, this is their site and they can do whatever they want; I was really just trying to be constructive offering advice in my area of expertise. Really, as said, I love this site and have never had any problems on comment threads or with anything else personally.

  156. GoMariners on July 26th, 2009 8:58 am

    I was at the game. I did not like Branyan bunting Ichiro over with one out in the 3rd inning. What was Wak thinking??? Also, there was a fight because Jakubauskas creamed one of the Indians. Both dugouts and bullpens cleared. Then in the 9th the Indians pitcher hit Hannahan in the back, and he was thrown out of the game. It was a quite eventful game. Everyone one was really happy when we scored the three runs in the bottom of the ninth.

  157. Liam on July 26th, 2009 10:03 am

    @GoMariners

    Branyan was bunting for a base hit, not sacrificing.

  158. Pine Tar on July 26th, 2009 10:50 am

    Branyan is only bunting in reaction to the shift. I think it is a solid strategy, but he has had a woeful time trying to execute it all year.

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