Game 104, Mariners at Rangers

Mike Snow · August 1, 2009 at 5:03 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Happy Felix Day! Hernandez v. Hunter, 5:05.

RF-L Ichiro
1B-L Branyan
2B-R Lopez
DH-L Griffey
CF-R Gutierrez
3B-L Hannahan
SS-R Wilson
LF-L Langerhans
C-R Johnson

Minor changes in batting order don’t matter that much, but the one thing that does is you want your best hitters at the top (so they bat more often) and your worst hitters at the bottom. You could just rank your hitters that way, use it as your lineup order, and hardly go wrong.

With that in mind, this is the first time all year that Rob Johnson has batted ninth. He’s batted as high as sixth six times.

Comments

68 Responses to “Game 104, Mariners at Rangers”

  1. msb on August 1st, 2009 5:13 pm

    ok guys– deadline is passed, Washburn is moved– you can start winning now.

  2. Liam on August 1st, 2009 5:16 pm

    Did Niehaus just say the Ichiro! had his 22nd save on his stolen base?

  3. DAMellen on August 1st, 2009 5:19 pm

    But why isn’t Franklin batting second? That really bugs me. For one day, we had it right and now he’s back to fifth? Why was he good enough to bat second and now he’s all the way back down to fifth? Shouldn’t he at least be third?

  4. Marinerz24 on August 1st, 2009 5:20 pm

    My patience is growing thin with Wak. determained to hit Branyan in the 2 hole. The lineup yesterday was perfect. Put Guttz in the 2 hole and Branyan in the 3 or 5 hole.

  5. flashbeak on August 1st, 2009 5:25 pm

    Wak needs to take a clinic on managing a baseball team. His lineups are driving me away from sanity.

  6. RickMirerManiac on August 1st, 2009 5:27 pm

    Branyan should hit in the five hole. It is good to see him back, however.

  7. TWownsU on August 1st, 2009 5:35 pm

    Beautiful throw Ichiro.

  8. naviomelo on August 1st, 2009 5:37 pm

    Ichiro!

  9. Marinerz24 on August 1st, 2009 5:37 pm

    Is it just me or is Felix’s volocity way down from where it should be?

  10. Techno_Viking- on August 1st, 2009 5:40 pm

    Griffey’s home run there makes having him all worth while. Ok maybe not, not at all.

    Why does Wakamatsu continue to insist on aggravating us with his unexplainable line-up spottings.

  11. flashbeak on August 1st, 2009 5:41 pm

    Ichiro!

  12. ballsoffire3 on August 1st, 2009 5:41 pm

    Man, this umpire strike zone is terrible!! Even Niehaus said it’s the size of a stamp. And I know that the tracer isn’t the best, but my god right down the middle and it was still called a ball!!

  13. jephdood on August 1st, 2009 5:43 pm

    And Branyan continues his regression toward the mean. Damn, he swings at some crap pitches.

  14. cdowley on August 1st, 2009 5:44 pm

    I thought Rizzs sounded annoyed about some of the ball/strike calls…

    Also, we did NOT need to hear that liver and onions story. Especially not around dinner time…

  15. flashbeak on August 1st, 2009 5:46 pm

    A fastball high in the zone is basically an automatic swinging strike for Russell.

  16. joser on August 1st, 2009 5:54 pm

    There are no good “liver and onions” stories. It’s the only meal I’ve ever had in a hospital (and thus the once and only time I’ve ever eaten it).

  17. flashbeak on August 1st, 2009 5:55 pm

    This has to be the King’s body double or something. Velocity and command have gone down the toilet.

  18. Techno_Viking- on August 1st, 2009 6:00 pm

    Felix may not be his best (obviously not even close) but this ump isn’t the best either.

  19. RickMirerManiac on August 1st, 2009 6:02 pm

    Griffey! Fire on the basepaths. I like that, as he was tagging there, it seemed like the Rangers actually suspected that they might get him.

  20. flashbeak on August 1st, 2009 6:05 pm

    My mobile play by play just recorded Hunter’s changeup at 88, slider at 87, and fastball at 87?

  21. msb on August 1st, 2009 6:09 pm

    Wouldn’t you think Darryl Cousins would notice that both pitchers have thrown an awful lot of pitches in just 3 innings?

  22. olerud89 on August 1st, 2009 6:09 pm

    Did anyone else notice Wilson seemed to be limping?

  23. naviomelo on August 1st, 2009 6:16 pm

    Langerhans!!

  24. TylerDurden on August 1st, 2009 6:16 pm

    Langerhans!! What a catch. He’s slowly becoming one of my favorite Mariners.

  25. flashbeak on August 1st, 2009 6:25 pm

    Wak, take notice. Guti likes the 2 hole better.

  26. juneau_fan on August 1st, 2009 6:28 pm

    I hate that music they play in Texas when they hit a homerun. Whatever, guys, whatever.

    Boo. Hiss.

  27. flashbeak on August 1st, 2009 6:35 pm

    I’d prefer that music to the White Sox commentators HR reactions:

    And you can put it on the boaaaaaard… YES. YES. YEEEEES.

  28. juneau_fan on August 1st, 2009 6:35 pm

    Was that Wilson’s first hit as a Mariner?

    Boy, the Rangers sure are playing lazy today. You’d think they were the visitors to some hot, humid hellhole.

  29. olerud89 on August 1st, 2009 6:36 pm

    Methinks Wilson’s legs are okay.

  30. flashbeak on August 1st, 2009 6:39 pm

    No, it’s Wilson’s third hit as a Mariner.

  31. sodomojo2459 on August 1st, 2009 6:44 pm

    Wow, defense really picking up Felix tonight.

  32. theandyduke on August 1st, 2009 6:46 pm

    Tonight might be the best I’ve seen the M’s defense play, and it comes on a great night,too. It helps that our bats are doing well, and Texas is playing pretty lackadaisically

  33. sodomojo2459 on August 1st, 2009 6:49 pm

    I wish that I could see the idiot fan that is on the field. Oh Sims….

  34. jefffrane on August 1st, 2009 6:49 pm

    The fan appears to have some staying power.

  35. flashbeak on August 1st, 2009 6:53 pm

    Lopez, quit swinging at the first damn pitch.

  36. TylerDurden on August 1st, 2009 6:58 pm

    Where was this hitting during the Indians series??

  37. naviomelo on August 1st, 2009 6:59 pm

    Lopez just doubled in Ichiro.

  38. wescottr on August 1st, 2009 7:14 pm

    so weird to have a SS who can hit a little, but I’ll take it! welcome to seattle Josh.

  39. juneau_fan on August 1st, 2009 7:30 pm

    At least Johnson is learning to make up for some of his ‘wild pitches.’

  40. Techno_Viking- on August 1st, 2009 7:32 pm

    Oh no the impervious Rob Johnson has dropped yet another ball! SHOCKED

  41. PWRSTROKIN on August 1st, 2009 7:33 pm

    Ole’ Felix

  42. naviomelo on August 1st, 2009 7:33 pm

    El Rey!!!

  43. jefffrane on August 1st, 2009 7:41 pm

    Somebody help me out here. How was Vizquel out? I know he struck out, but he did not get thrown out after the ball got away–the play went to third.

  44. scottiedawg on August 1st, 2009 7:42 pm

    In only 49 AB’s with the Royals, Yuni has already been worth -0.8 WAR. Unbelievable.

  45. JHeino on August 1st, 2009 7:44 pm

    Somebody help me out here. How was Vizquel out? I know he struck out, but he did not get thrown out after the ball got away–the play went to third.

    First base was occupied.

  46. msb on August 1st, 2009 7:57 pm

    By the way, if you are checking in tonight Tv Producer? How about a BenchCam for the 2nd half?

  47. ayoon on August 1st, 2009 8:00 pm

    I’ve been watching the game here and there. Nice to see some hits on the board for once!

  48. theandyduke on August 1st, 2009 8:06 pm

    hopefully they save a little something for tomorrow’s game.

  49. theandyduke on August 1st, 2009 8:12 pm

    ballgame

  50. TylerDurden on August 1st, 2009 8:20 pm

    quite small gameday thread, especially for Felix day. Good W

  51. JHeino on August 1st, 2009 8:23 pm

    Yeah very small thread. No one even noticed this:

    so weird to have a SS who can hit a little, but I’ll take it! welcome to seattle Josh.

    Or this:

    Guti likes the 2 hole better

    They were scrappy tonight. Good game.

  52. Techno_Viking- on August 1st, 2009 8:29 pm

    Haha They showed the M’s bullpen participating in the wave on TV. That was awesome.

  53. theandyduke on August 1st, 2009 8:32 pm

    Haha They showed the M’s bullpen participating in the wave on TV. That was awesome.

    yeah, the bullpen looked like they were having so much fun tonight. The Wave, giving anyone sitting close an autograph, Aardsma giving the kids some bubblegum.

  54. EagleBonesFalconHawk on August 1st, 2009 8:34 pm

    It’s about time we win an effing game in Texas. geeeeeeez. Snells Bells tomorrow and when i say snells bells i mean hells bells. Split the series! c’mon!

  55. scott19 on August 1st, 2009 8:54 pm

    quite small gameday thread, especially for Felix day. Good W

    Probably due to a nice Saturday night in the middle of the summer.

    Nevertheless, yeah, good win. Enjoyed this one from the bar…great D, lots of offense, and a gutty performance from Felix in a park that’s been bloody hell on these guys this year.

  56. Snarf15 on August 1st, 2009 8:55 pm

    Is it just me or is Felix’s volocity way down from where it should be?

    I know this comment was made a while ago, but I think Felix has constantly been at 91-94 mph this year, instead of the 96-98 of the last few years. Is this bad? No, not at all, the reason is that he is using his two seam and sinker which are typically slower than the 4 seams, but have more movement. This has worked great for Felix, and as a result, he is getting deeper into ball games and what pitching better than he ever has. Brandon Morrow should learn from this because his fastball is so straight that if someone guesses right and just flips the bat out, the ball will go a long ways. If he threw two seamers with more movement, it might be slightly slower, but I think it would make him a lot better as it has done for Felix.

  57. scott19 on August 1st, 2009 9:12 pm

    Interestingly, one of the times that comment was made was back in May…when it seemed like his velocity was off a bit during another start in Arlington on a very warm day. Yet, he kept the M’s in that game (which Morrow wound up blowing in the ninth)…and only allowed four hits over seven innings.

    There’s no doubt we’ve seen Felix mature as an ace-quality pitcher more and more this season. Go King!!

  58. Techno_Viking- on August 1st, 2009 9:15 pm

    yeah, the bullpen looked like they were having so much fun tonight.

    I know, I love seeing them like that. Good times, good times.

    If this is a Felix Hernandez fluke game, man that’s not bad. I understand our defense was above stellar, but I mean look at A.J. Burnett’s fluke today. He gave up what, 7 runs? Felix, 2 runs and gets the win. He might have lucked out a bit but come on. I just hope the king can keep his “flukes” to games similar to today’s.

  59. Big Bob on August 1st, 2009 9:20 pm

    Good to see some hitting finally! Langerhans and Hanahan getting it done along with Lopey and Jr. I’ve noticed Hanahan’s BA is creeping up to respectability. Good stuff!

  60. joser on August 1st, 2009 9:29 pm

    Felix was hitting 93 tonight. If you look back at some past starts, like his 2 hit complete game gem from June 16th in San Diego, that’s definitely down 2 or 3 MPH. I don’t entirely trust Pitch FX classifications, but it looks like his 2 seam sinker is the same speed, but his 4 seam (which he throws the most) has dropped some. As has his command. Could be the heat (which he apparently doesn’t like, regardless of his Venezuelan origins), could be he’s getting a bit tired, could be something is a bit off in the last start and this. Hard to say.

  61. SunDevil1 on August 1st, 2009 9:52 pm

    JHeino – May I clarify your explanation of what happened in the bottom of the seventh? Vizquel struck out with Salt on second and Andrus on 1st. At the time of the strikeout, then, Andrus was technically on 1st, meaning the base wasn’t open and Vizquel had nowhere to go. That made the strikeout the first out of the inning. Then, Andrus moved over to second, leaving Salt high and dry to be tagged out on the basepaths. Is that the correct order of events? (I admit, I was a little confuzzled when it happened as well.) Had Salt made it to third safely, would it have been scored a strikeout and a double-steal?

  62. naviomelo on August 1st, 2009 10:50 pm

    Could be the heat (which he apparently doesn’t like, regardless of his Venezuelan origins)

    Writing from the Dallas-Fort Worth area, it really wasn’t that hot here today. It was in the 70s during the game.

    Felix hasn’t been in the top 5 in velocity according to Fangraphs for quite a while now. I’m sure we’ll all trade that for the results he’s been getting, even if he didn’t have his best stuff tonight.

  63. Matt the Dragon on August 2nd, 2009 2:53 am

    Is that the correct order of events?

    Yes. A dropped third strike is still automatically an out if first base is occupied with less than two outs (for essentially the same reasons as the infield fly rule exists). Runners may still advance at their own risk but no force play exists as the batter-runner (ie Vizquel) is out.

    Had Salt made it to third safely, would it have been scored a strikeout and a double-steal?

    Yes.

    Also, had their been two outs or no runner on first it would still be scored a strikeout with the batter-runner reaching on a fielder’s choice due to the dropped third strike (unless an wild pitch or passed ball wa charged for that strike).

    HTH.

  64. jefffrane on August 2nd, 2009 7:20 am

    Thanks very much for the expanded explanation of what happened in the seventh. “First base was occupied” seemed to be missing something, and I hadn’t seen this permutation before.

  65. JHeino on August 2nd, 2009 8:48 am

    Going back to play were Omar struck out and ran to first on the dropped ball:

    Do you think Omar wasn’t paying attention and didn’t realize the base was occupied.

    OR do you think that he was trying to draw a throw down to first to let the other players reach safely?

    It seems unlike him to make such an error, but I guess he is getting older.

  66. joser on August 2nd, 2009 10:12 am

    I suspect Omar started out of the box purely on habit/instinct. Third strike, catcher drops the ball, you put your head down and run like hell and maybe you get lucky. He probably didn’t remember / notice first was still occupied until he’d taken a step or two. And you never know, the runner might have been trying to steal, or might have seen what was happening and taken off for second (a little tricky, granted, given that there already was a guy at second who had to be running too). Once you’re committed to running you might as well keep going and see what happens — if the catcher sails the ball past the 1B in the outfield, or hits you with it, or whatever, you could end up with everybody safe.

    Note that because it’s not a force play, the fielders have to actually tag the runners to get the out (except Vizquel, of course).

  67. joser on August 2nd, 2009 10:17 am

    Drayer has some nice anecdotes from / impressions of the the new pitchers.

    I sure hope Snell has a good outing. Taking a guy with his history and penciling him into a game in Arlington his first start back in the bigs is a pretty big ask. You have to get back on the horse sometime, but it would be nice if it was a nag like the Royals instead of bucking bronc like the Rangers.

  68. JackB on August 2nd, 2009 11:25 am

    And you never know, the runner might have been trying to steal, or might have seen what was happening and taken off for second (a little tricky, granted, given that there already was a guy at second who had to be running too).

    Joser, it doesn’t matter if the runner at first went on the pitch, or after the ball got by the catcher, or not at all- as soon as Omar struck out, he was out because there were less than two outs AND there was a runner on first base when the pitch was thrown. Where the runner actually was at that point is irrelevent. But I agree it never hurts to run things out!

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