Beltre to Red Sox

Jeff Nye · January 4, 2010 at 5:05 pm · Filed Under General baseball, Mariners 

Gammons tweets.

Gammons says 1 year deal for $9 million and a player option for $5 million.

He probably wasn’t coming here anyway, so nothing to get too stressed over. Maybe this’ll get people to stop suggesting moving Lopez to first, though.

Comments

89 Responses to “Beltre to Red Sox”

  1. Sports on a Schtick on January 4th, 2010 5:11 pm

    I’m guessing Beltre wasn’t returning no matter what and will try to rebuild his value playing in Fenway.

    Sucks to see him go for such a bargain and to Boston no less. But oh well. When he hits .280 with 25 home runs I fully expect national stories about Adrian’s resurgence……

  2. PhilKenSebben on January 4th, 2010 5:11 pm

    I’m crushed, really. One of my favorite players ever going to the enemy. I wish Adrian the best of luck though.

  3. Jeff Nye on January 4th, 2010 5:15 pm

    Now that I got a post up about it, my reactions (I’m not an analyst, but I’m sure Dave or Derek will come by later to add their thoughts):

    I’m going to miss you, Adrian. I never thought you got enough credit from the vast majority of fans here, but you were one of my favorite players to watch.

    I think it’s a pretty good deal for both sides; it gives Adrian a chance to put up some better offensive numbers and maybe be able to get a longer contract next time, and the addition of the player option gives a pretty good insulation from risk from his side.

    A big multiyear contract just wasn’t going to happen in this free agent market.

  4. aaron c. on January 4th, 2010 5:16 pm

    My two favorite baseball players of all-time are Mike Cameron and Adrian Beltre. My hatred for the Red Sox is second only to my hatred for the Angels. I can’t deal.

  5. shortbus on January 4th, 2010 5:20 pm

    I’m not too torn up about this as my least-favorite team remains the Yankees. I would have been seriously pissed if any AL West team had signed him.

    And as sick as I am of hearing about the Red Sox…at least Beltre will finally get some recognition, and a place to hit that doesn’t hate him like cancer.

    Also…I hope the Sox don’t waste Cammy’s abilities playing him in left field at Fenway. It’s like putting a Cheetah in a swimming pool for crying out loud.

  6. jld on January 4th, 2010 5:24 pm

    I can’t feel bad for Adrian. He’s a great guy and a great player and I’ll always remember seeing up-close that awesome play on a bunt at last year’s season finale.

    I wish we could have paid him $9M for his 3-4 WAR next season, but I hope he beats the yankees up all next season.

    On the plus side, maybe now his stuff will be on clearance at the team store and I can get that away jersey I’ve been wanting.

  7. pareto on January 4th, 2010 5:25 pm

    huh. wouldn’t he have gotten more in arbitration?

  8. zzyzx on January 4th, 2010 5:31 pm

    Can we appeal this?

  9. DMZ on January 4th, 2010 5:31 pm

    Almost certainly.

    The gamble he (and Boras) are making is that Beltre plays a good season in the limelight, everyone suddenly notices how great he is now that he’s on nationally broadcast games every day and turns up on SportsCenter every night, and he heads into 2011 with:
    - teams with more money
    - doubts about his offense erased or eased (this will be heralded as a resurgence and credited to his hitting coach or the Red Sox offense’s protection)
    - buzz and probably some hardware and maybe MVP placement

    He might have made $2-3m more here, but the next deal he gets should make that look paltry. It’s a savvy move.

  10. bseblfevr on January 4th, 2010 5:32 pm

    He is getting 9mil for his defense not his offense, although in Boston his numbers are sure to rise. Sorry to see him leave, but we saved at least 9mil and we got Figgins for that.

  11. shortbus on January 4th, 2010 5:34 pm

    This is why I always thought Boston would be Beltre’s landing spot. It gives Beltre the best stage and a park that favors his bat. And once they signed Cameron it was clear Boston was willing to pay for defense.

  12. jld on January 4th, 2010 5:34 pm

    huh. wouldn’t he have gotten more in arbitration?

    Yes, but he’s looking for a much bigger payday than an extra $5M or $6M. His plan is to spend a year racking up doubles off of green monster and then cash in for a final 4-5 year contract at around $13M-$15M per year, I’d guess. That’s not available in this year’s FA market. If he hits for 81 games at Safeco this year it won’t be next next year either.

  13. The Z Man on January 4th, 2010 5:36 pm

    Wow he must of really hated hitting at Safeco Field for taking a 1 year deal less than his arb would of been!

    I would of loved to have him back for $9M on a 1yr deal. NO WAY will he take the 2011 player option of $5M though. This 1 year $9M is ONLY to boost his HR value at Fenway and then hit the FA market next year for bigger $$$.

    I actually like this move because of 2 things:

    1) Does give the Angel a solid D at 3B!
    2) With Beltre going to BoSox, with Lowell and Youk at 1B, it takes BoSox out of the running for a Adrian Gonzo Trade between now and July!!! This is the biggest benefit.

    With BoSox off the Gonzo bandwagon, Seattle has a LOT better chance of landing Gonzo via trade between now and July. Also, with BoSox off the table, the Pads may think that waiting until July would not be necessary to get the best prospect deal out of Gonzo.

    Just my thoughts anyways, and is still a long shot I know!

  14. The Z Man on January 4th, 2010 5:38 pm

    He does that at Fenway, and puts up big numbers, then BoSox just might give him a 4-5 year $13-15M deal to stay….especially once Lowell’s $12M+ And Ortiz $12M is off the books after 2010.

  15. jld on January 4th, 2010 5:48 pm

    As much as I love Adrian and I think this is a great move for him, I look forward to seeing Felix strike him out with a ball in the dirt for the final out of game 4 during this year’s ALCS.

  16. Carson on January 4th, 2010 5:54 pm

    Bummer. This is the deal I expected him to get/take but I held out some hope.

    Good for the Red Sox and good for Adrian. I’ll truly miss him.

  17. shortbus on January 4th, 2010 5:54 pm

    I just wish some NL team had made him a good offer. Or at least a team that wouldn’t matter in any pennant race or playoff scenarios for the M’s. If the M’s play Boston there’ll be at least one Beltre double-off-the-Monster or amazing pick at third for every Beltre strikeout. Sad face.

  18. pareto on January 4th, 2010 5:58 pm

    As much as I love Adrian and I think this is a great move for him, I look forward to seeing Felix strike him out with a ball in the dirt for the final out of game 4 during this year’s ALCS.

    Yeah, I would have liked to have him back as well. I understand the move on his part, though.

    I’d like to see that strikeout. Or another Beltre classic, the GIDP.

  19. Breadbaker on January 4th, 2010 6:01 pm

    As much as I love Adrian and I think this is a great move for him, I look forward to seeing Felix strike him out with a ball in the dirt for the final out of game 4 during this year’s ALCS.

    If the game is at Safeco, you can bank on it.

  20. dchappelle on January 4th, 2010 6:05 pm

    I’m stunned this is the contract Beltre signed. Seriously, for a 3-4 WAR player at 3rd I’d have expected one of the other smart teams to offer more, and for more years.

    I mean I can’t believe Cleveland, San Diego, Oakland, Philly, and the Dodgers ALL didn’t beat that offer.

    It’s amazing how much the free agent market has depressed salaries and how well Boston is doing in grabbing undervalued free agents.

  21. Liam on January 4th, 2010 6:05 pm

    - buzz and probably some hardware and maybe MVP placement

    Do you get a trophy for the Comeback Player of the Year?

  22. Jeff Nye on January 4th, 2010 6:13 pm

    I mean I can’t believe Cleveland, San Diego, Oakland, Philly, and the Dodgers ALL didn’t beat that offer.

    They may have by some small amount, but as Derek said, for a guy looking to maximize the value of his next (and quite possibly last) contract, Boston was the best fit.

    Beltre is also very likely reaching the “I want a ring” stage of his career, and since 3B is sortof filled for the Yankees, Boston is probably his next best chance.

  23. HamNasty on January 4th, 2010 6:25 pm

    I will forever remember the ruptured testicle game. Good Luck Adrian, can’t wait till Boston fans go crazy after you get yourself out on a self check swing appeal.

  24. gag harbor on January 4th, 2010 6:30 pm

    Does it matter which team signs Beltre (in this case Boston) for the M’s to get their compensation-pick and in what order? Boston signed Lackey already…

  25. Liam on January 4th, 2010 6:31 pm

    Wouldn’t a smart GM be able to sort through his “resurgence” with Boston? This time next year he’s only going to be older and want even more money, so who’s buying?

  26. joe simpson can hit on January 4th, 2010 6:35 pm

    I’m struck by the disparity between what Boras has hyping as a contract for Beltre and what he actually got. Boras always hypes, but he’s usually more in the ballpark. I get your point about maximizing the value of his next contract, but Boras was pushing a 3-year, high-dollar deal … that’s a big comedown. That said, it’s probably fair for both sides and smart for Beltre: He’ll thrive in Boston, especially if he can stay pain-free.

  27. mln on January 4th, 2010 6:42 pm

    Does this mean that Adrian’s biggest fan, Red, now follows him to Boston?

  28. moyerLIVES on January 4th, 2010 7:00 pm

    looking more and more like this team has Jose Lopez as the opening day 2B.

    Dangit. Maybe they’ll sign LaRoche and Felipe Lopez and trade J-Lo for prospects or something.

    Although I agree it’ll be nice to not have to explain to people why it’s stupid to have him at 1B.

  29. Paul B on January 4th, 2010 7:01 pm

    Does it matter which team signs Beltre (in this case Boston) for the M’s to get their compensation-pick and in what order?

    No, he’s typd B so the M’s get a sandwich pick, not one of the Red Sox picks.

  30. Scott5000 on January 4th, 2010 7:06 pm

    The Lopez to first rumors will persist (see today’s baker) as long as options for second like Orlando Hudson exist.

  31. thr33niL on January 4th, 2010 7:25 pm

    Maybe this’ll get people to stop suggesting moving Lopez to first, though.

    Nope. Still seeing the “sign Orlando Hudson and move Jose to first” tripe around. Most recently at Baker’s blog.

    Why people think second base is a glaring problem that needs immediate attn. is beyond me.

  32. Chris Miller on January 4th, 2010 7:50 pm

    I think Boras was well aware that Boston is a better bet for Beltre to regain some offensive clout than Seattle and pushed it on him. He could have beaten that offer by accepting arbitration.

    The option is just gravy too, in case he has a down year.

  33. Gibbo on January 4th, 2010 7:57 pm

    I always thought that having Lopez and AB on the same team was not an option for 2010. So if GMZ had managed to deal Lopez by now then bringing AB back msy of been a more realistic option. Oh well… Will miss AB’s glove, not his pitch recognition. Good signing for Boston!

    I wonder now as the 3B market drys up if any teams would take a flyer on getting Lopez off us to play 3rd? I know he is unproven but have heard several sites mention him as an option there, but have no idea if that is realistic or crazy talk?

    I would love for us to go get Willy Aybar from Tampa as a replacment for Lopez.

  34. furlong on January 4th, 2010 8:00 pm

    This has been a great day for the Mariners Beltre is finally gone and Baker’s suggestion for the team to aquire the O dawg and my favorite Jose Lopez to play first. Beltre probabley won’t hit quite as many warning track shots like he did here.

  35. jvol14 on January 4th, 2010 8:01 pm

    [nope!]

  36. WordPlaze on January 4th, 2010 8:09 pm

    Well, with all the comments about Adrian having a good year and upping his FA value – I don’t think that’s his motivation at all. I think he wants to play on a team with a real shot at a championship. He was a tremendous bargain when the Mariners signed him … probably the only decent FA signing Bavasi managed to pull off … so I believe money is a secondary consideration for him.

    I think Beltre is a one of the class acts of baseball. I rank him right up there with John Olerud for dignity and graciousness. I remember the day they released Olerud. It was his day to be the player with the special needs kids before the game for the first pitch and stuff. He showed up in his street clothes to do it.

    Some people you just have to root for, regardless of what team they are on. Beltre is one of those.

  37. Dexterwins on January 4th, 2010 8:18 pm

    [we're pretending those comments didn't happen]

  38. The Hamms Bear on January 4th, 2010 8:26 pm

    The gamble he (and Boras) are making is that Beltre plays a good season in the limelight, everyone suddenly notices how great he is now that he’s on nationally broadcast games every day and turns up on SportsCenter every night…

    It’s working already: Yahoo sports says “Beltre is the best third baseman in the league.”

  39. juneau_fan on January 4th, 2010 8:35 pm

    It’s working already: Yahoo sports says “Beltre is the best third baseman in the league.”

    LOL! Of course he is! The Red Sox chose him!

    Boy, gotta love the East Coast–Yankees/Red Sox–bias.

    Still, I wish him all the luck and hope he gets at least one shot at the post season. I’m just a bit worried, because I can remember one game where I had great seats on the 3rd base side, and some fan was giving AB grief (probably jvol14), and I could see he was listening instead of tuning it out.

    And I’ve also been at Fenway and have seen the abuse those fans can dish out. Invest in some earplugs, AB, I beg of you.

  40. jvol14 on January 4th, 2010 8:35 pm

    [not that either]

  41. mattlock on January 4th, 2010 8:50 pm

    Ok, so since Beltre is for sure going to Boston, Lowell’s job security is looking even more questionable. Given that reality, a question comes to mind.

    When I read the rumor on mlbtr today about a possible Lowell/Castillo trade, it seemed to me (just like the post mentioned) that the Red Sox would be getting rid of a player for whom they had no spot in return for another player for whom they had no spot. Castillo is blocked in Boston by Pedroia.

    What would be the possibility of the Mariners working with the Sox and the Mets to send Lowell to New York by taking Castillo and sending a player (or more than one) to Boston.

    I understand this would be contingent on a departure of Lopez. I also know that Castillo is old and isn’t any better, and is actually probably worse, defensively than Lopez. And while he’s not entirely an offensive upgrade, his offensive strengths (speed, patience, OBP) are more in line with the new offensive focus.

    Not sure this would be possible, or even a good deal on their part. Just something that came to mind in connection with the Beltre deal.

  42. terry on January 4th, 2010 8:53 pm

    I think Beltre is a very intelligent fellow who is taking a good kind of risk with this contract…

  43. behappy on January 4th, 2010 9:42 pm

    WOW. What a deal for Boston!

    This deal really shows way RH hitters hate playing in The Safe. Beltre took at least a few million less to play in Boston. Think about that. You don’t hear players taking less money very often.

  44. JMHawkins on January 4th, 2010 10:04 pm

    Maybe this’ll get people to stop suggesting moving Lopez to first,

    No, similar to the “bring back Griffey” comments, I expect the only thing that will put an end to the “move Lopez to first” comments will be… moving Lopez to first. Even if Lopez quit baseball to open a chain of Kentucky Fried Chicken shops with Fidel Castro (Nineteen tequilas later, we had a deal. Havana goes back to the mob…), we’d still hear that we should’ve moved him to first.

  45. firova2 on January 4th, 2010 10:14 pm

    Flame risk: We’re savvy on Beltre (after all, we knew he was a bargain all along), but something about this bugs me. I know it is fashionable (or realistic) to praise Beltre for taking care of himself. The team was poorly run during most of his tenure, but now that the franchise is clearly headed in the right direction, he’s gone. He is not at all alone in his approach and the Mariners were eyes-open when they offered arbitration and signed Figgins, but before we get too misty-eyed over Beltre, I just want to register that I can’t get happy for him. He took less money because he didn’t want to be in Seattle for whatever reasons–the park suppressed his hitting, he wasn’t wowed by the 2009 clubhouse ticklefest, he isn’t invested in Jack Z’s turnaround job, he’s not into the way Ichiro plays–whatever. He was a good player, but the fact remains that after accepting $60 million from the team over the past five years, he just walked to a league rival. Good decision by him perhaps on a personal level (and maybe for the M’s?), but I don’t have to feel good about the basic lack of loyalty. Again, he’s no different than others would be, but winning a World Series in Seattle clearly wasn’t near the top of his priority list, despite his unimpeachably hard-nosed play. If it were, he would have taken the money and damned the statistics (or listened to the coaches about that low and outside pitch). Beltre is out for Beltre, making him no different from most people. But I can’t bring myself to pat him on the back. He didn’t want to be a Seattle Mariner, at least not badly enough. So he went over the the enemy. I hope the Mariners finish higher than Boston, despite a couple of likeable new guys on that Fenway roster.

  46. firova2 on January 4th, 2010 10:18 pm

    The problem with this kind of emotional analysis is that accepting arbitration would not necessarily have been a sign of loyalty either. In such a case, the higher payday might have been the important factor.

  47. juneau_fan on January 4th, 2010 10:21 pm

    The enemy? I thought the Padres were our hated rivals?

    Sorry, I only get worked up by division rivals poaching the team’s players. If we hate all of the AL as rivals, do we also hate the NL, because assuming the team ever gets to the WS, one of them will try to beat the Mariners?

    I was banging my head on the keyboard when there were comments in the “Why Jose Lopez Shouldn’t Be Moved to First,” thread saying that Jose should be moved to first. Not contradicting the entry with evidence, but just spitting it out like it’s some auto reflex like puking. “Ssssaaayyy….here’s an idea! Why don’t we move Lopie to first!!??”

  48. dirk on January 4th, 2010 10:31 pm

    I love Beltre, but I WILL NOT miss him waving at sliders from RHP’s.

  49. Liam on January 4th, 2010 10:40 pm

    Adrian Beltre resigning with the Mariners wasn’t an ideal situation for both parties. He was a likeable guy who exceeded the value of his contract. What more can you ask for?

    I wish him well.

  50. Briggstar on January 4th, 2010 10:46 pm

    AB’s inability to reach the

    Scroll down and look at who the #4 most similar batter to Beltre is…one Mike Lowell. I don’t know about you, but if I were him right now, I might be feeling a tad, ahem, teste.

  51. Briggstar on January 4th, 2010 10:47 pm

    “AB’s inability to reach the” should be “Adrian Beltre Statistics and History“.

  52. DMZ on January 4th, 2010 11:08 pm

    Beltre is out for Beltre, making him no different from most people.

    I don’t get this. Whatever his reasons were for declining arbitration, Beltre played his ass off here all through that contract, grinding through injury and everything, even though by that reasoning he should have been putting Beltre at #1 and dogging it until his next contract came due.

    We don’t have any particular insight into why Beltre made his choices. Smearing him as selfish because you ascribe some set of motives to him, and you find him failing some artificial test of loyalty discounting, is totally unfair and not worth discussing.

  53. diderot on January 4th, 2010 11:21 pm

    I will always consider watching Beltre playing third base every day as one of the very top highlights of a long career as a baseball fan.

  54. nodiggity on January 4th, 2010 11:52 pm

    Two recommendations for Adrian before he plays his first game at Fenway:

    1) wear a cup
    2) stop asking the umpire for clarification on every pitch that you check swing

  55. sodomojo95 on January 5th, 2010 12:12 am

    It’s working already: Yahoo sports says “Beltre is the best third baseman in the league.”

    Thats ridiculous! I love Beltre but Yahoo just said Beltre was better than A-Rod. But it sounds like someone is a Red Sox fan who isn’t afraid to show it

  56. flashbeak on January 5th, 2010 5:51 am

    I’m still surprised Philly chose Polanco over him. Everybody and their mother can hit 30 homeruns at Citizens Bank Park.

  57. Mekias on January 5th, 2010 5:58 am

    Would Adrian still have declined arbitration if he knew that the best he was going to get was 1 year/9 mill from Boston? I’m sure he declined arb thinking that he would do much better than that.

    Regardless, I can’t fault him for wanting to go to a more hitter friendly park and to a team that has a legitimate world series shot. I might have to try and catch some Boston games this year.

  58. lwl on January 5th, 2010 6:11 am

    [not classy]

  59. idahowriter on January 5th, 2010 6:38 am

    Good luck, Adrian. You’ll be missed in Seattle, and I predict that, once you get a taste of the Baaston “fans” and press, you’ll miss Seattle, too.

  60. jjracoon on January 5th, 2010 6:52 am

    I will always have goods memories of Beltre’s defense but his offense just never developed. It would seem over a 4 year time period that some of his holes on offense could have been fixed. Lopez while not much of a defensive player has developed offensively. In both cases patience was not in their vocabularies!! I like the addition of a Figgins with OBP AND speed (still remember the Edgar and Olerud times – got on but slowed the game down)!!!

  61. Paul B on January 5th, 2010 7:20 am

    I will always have goods memories of Beltre’s defense but his offense just never developed.

    Not true. Take a look at his home road splits for the last 3 years. I’ll use sOPS+, which is OPS compared to league and park adjusted (100 is average).

    Here’s his sOPS+ at home: 68, 82, 92
    And on the road: 96, 134, 127

    On the road (playing in a mix of ballparks), he’s an above average hitter (just average in 2009) at a fairly difficult defensive position. In Safeco, he’s below average (dreadful in 2009).

    This is why, when they came to Seattle, Jack and Tony took one look at the roster and just shook their heads.

    Beltre was just fine as a hitter, Safeco makes right handed power sluggers look like slap hitting middle infielders or backup catchers.

  62. TomG on January 5th, 2010 7:29 am

    As a Sox fan, I couldn’t be happier that I finally get to watch Beltre on a regular basis. As a Mariners fan it pains me to see such a good player go somewhere where he won’t fully be appreciated: a good majority of the Sox’ mouth-breathing fanbase is already calling this one of the worst deals this offseason.

  63. DMZ on January 5th, 2010 7:36 am

    That’ll change.

  64. lwl on January 5th, 2010 7:43 am

    I hope you have a good season but wish you thought you could do it at Safco.

  65. Graham on January 5th, 2010 8:05 am

    I hope you have a good season but wish you thought you could do it at Safco.

    This isn’t some sort of mental issue Beltre has with Safeco Field.

  66. Carson on January 5th, 2010 8:18 am

    That’ll change.

    Aye. And, this time next year, those same fans won’t be singing Theo’s greatness and begging for a multi-year re-signing after Beltre declines that silly option year… right?

  67. msb on January 5th, 2010 8:53 am

    Seems to me that a selfish, me-first player have curled into the fetal position after being struck in the nonexistent cup, and refused to move.

    Would Adrian still have declined arbitration if he knew that the best he was going to get was 1 year/9 mill from Boston? I’m sure he declined arb thinking that he would do much better than that.

    Apparently he did receive multi-year offers, and chose to go one year with Boston.

  68. John S. on January 5th, 2010 9:02 am

    Would Adrian still have declined arbitration if he knew that the best he was going to get was 1 year/9 mill from Boston? I’m sure he declined arb thinking that he would do much better than that.

    People are just going to have to come to grips with the fact that Safeco kills righties. Players around the game know this, and Jack knows this. That’s why he is building around pitching, defense and left-handed hitting. It doesn’t matter where you go in the Mariner universe, but there always seem to be plenty of people who don’t seem to grasp this.

  69. rsrobinson on January 5th, 2010 9:06 am

    This was a good deal for both Beltre and the Red Sox. The Sox got him for a bargain and I expect Adrian to have a great year in Fenway which will boost his value next year.

    I’ll miss him, though. He was my second favorite player behind Ichiro.

  70. Beniitec on January 5th, 2010 9:09 am

    Even though the Redsox are my second favorite team. It irritates me to no end that another Mariner, took less money to play for a bigger market team. Especially at a time when the team is headed in a positive direction.

  71. Alex on January 5th, 2010 9:09 am

    2) stop asking the umpire for clarification on every pitch that you check swing

    No, thats one of the things thats awesome about Beltre.

    I’ll miss him, but he have Chone for the same price who is about as good. I’m just happy he didnt go to LA.

  72. TomG on January 5th, 2010 9:09 am

    That’ll change.

    Sadly I don’t think it will ever happen. If it isn’t the accusation of steroids, then it’s the supplanting of good-guy (and lighter-skinned) Mike Lowell. As much as we like to fool ourselves into thinking it’s no longer an issue, there is an undercurrent of subtle racial discrimination that permeates throughout the fanbase as evidenced recently in the way fans treated Byung-Hyun Kim, and even star players like Manny and Pedro (as well as Randy Moss).

    Never mind that Lowell himself is Cuban.

  73. TumwaterMike on January 5th, 2010 9:22 am

    I loved Beltre and he was my grandson’s favorite player. My only hope is that he’ll be on the DL when we go to Boston this year. He’ll kill us with that short wall in left.

  74. georgmi on January 5th, 2010 9:25 am

    another Mariner, took less money to play for a bigger market team

    Except he didn’t. The consensus was that arbitration would have been worth around $12M. Beltre took a deal worth $14M, with ten guaranteed ($9M for 2010 plus the $1M buyout) and the option to trade the remaining four for a multi-year deal that is likely to be worth a lot more based on the numbers he’s going to put up in Fenway than it would have been if he’d played half his games in Safeco.

  75. AdamN on January 5th, 2010 9:38 am

    We don’t have any particular insight into why Beltre made his choices. Smearing him as selfish because you ascribe some set of motives to him, and you find him failing some artificial test of loyalty discounting, is totally unfair and not worth discussing.

    Could be taking a line drive without wearing a cup influenced his rational decision making process? lol, sorry I have to point out how stupid it is not to wear a cup in the infield, love his play but simply stupid in this regards.

  76. ninjasintheoutfield on January 5th, 2010 9:39 am

    I’ll miss you 29. I hope you turn the monster into swiss cheese.

  77. Joe C on January 5th, 2010 9:57 am

    I hope Figgins can do half of what Beltre could do at third. I get the feeling that every time Figgins doesn’t make a play, I’ll be thinking that Beltre would have done it in his sleep.

  78. Chris_From_Bothell on January 5th, 2010 10:37 am

    Scott5000, thr33niL – The “Lopez to first” option is pretty much only being noted by Baker and Stone, as far as I know. Most commenters on Baker’s blog, e.g. (that I’ve read lately, anyway) see Lopez as trade bait, not an urgent problem to be remedied nor a viable option at first.

  79. Seattleguy527 on January 5th, 2010 11:14 am

    I guess I’m in the minority, but I’m not sorry to see him go. As has been mentioned, Beltre has a great glove but I won’t miss his poor plate discipline. I’m perfectly happy with Figgins at 3rd, especially if we were going to have to pay Beltre an extra $3M more than Figgins.

  80. Shanfan on January 5th, 2010 11:27 am

    Thank you Mr. Beltre for all of the hard play you gave us fans in Seattle, that will always be appreciated. I hope you learn to lay off the low, outside sliders because with that Monster in left in your new home you’re going to see even more of them.

  81. CCW on January 5th, 2010 11:33 am

    I appreciate Beltre as a player in general, but he simply was not cut out to be a Mariner anymore. Safeco Field went from being a tough place for him to hit in his first 3 years to absolutely eating him alive the last 2. You can’t carry a 3B, regardless of the glove, that puts up a .650 OPS at home. Also, for the love of gawd, Adrian, stop appealing your own check swings. You do that in Boston and they might have you committed.

  82. John09 on January 5th, 2010 11:39 am

    Seattleguy, I’m with you. How frustrating was it to watch Beltre swing and miss a slider that started outside and then broke further outside? Seems that sort of at-bat happened way too often for a player who we all had so much hope for. All to often it looked like he didn’t have a clue offensively. He’s a rallykiller.

    Had to give it to Adrian though for his defense and his toughness. Cannot dispute those attributes. But after watching him for his career here, I don’t think those attributes are worth the money for this organization.

    He’s a great fit for the RedSox, they won’t need to hit him above 6th in the lineup, and they can afford to have a guy like him on their roster.

    In Boston he will be known as a great defensive 3B who will hit some home runs. And he’ll be appreciated for that. Not like here, where we all wanted him to be an All-Star both in the field and at the plate.

  83. joser on January 5th, 2010 12:25 pm

    Good decision by him perhaps on a personal level (and maybe for the M’s?), but I don’t have to feel good about the basic lack of loyalty.

    You have a very extreme and unrealistic definition of loyalty, and I think it’s going to leave you disappointed with a lot of things. Like a guy I used to know who always wanted people to just give him stuff, the problem here isn’t with the rest of the world, it’s with your distorted expectations.

    As much as we like to fool ourselves into thinking it’s no longer an issue, there is an undercurrent of subtle racial discrimination that permeates throughout the fanbase

    Unfortunately I think you’re right (and it was reflected in the team being the last to integrate, though skipping on the chance at Willie Mays and Jackie Robinson and indeed on any black free agent until 1993 may have helped them achieve that 86 year record of futility).

    This will be a factor with Cameron too, and it saddens me to think of Cammie as Red Sox maybe even more than Beltre, especially as he closes out his career. On the other hand, this is the kind of thing that can only be fixed by time and example so Beltre and Cameron get the thankless job of contributing to that.

    Anyway I’m definitely glad Beltre didn’t end up with the Angels.

    Does this mean that Adrian’s biggest fan, Red, now follows him to Boston?

    Well, I don’t think he’s so big a fan that he’d actually relocate. The real question is probably: are we going to see Red featured prominently at the games when the Sox come to Safeco, and/or will he find a new (Mariner) target for his affections? If he sticks with Beltre, I hope he at least wears his Dominican jersey rather than a disgusting new BoSox one.

    I hope Figgins can do half of what Beltre could do at third. I get the feeling that every time Figgins doesn’t make a play, I’ll be thinking that Beltre would have done it in his sleep.

    Yeah, there will be some of that (of course Beltre didn’t get to every ball either — it was really his remarkably strong and unfailingly accurate throws after a catch, often while falling away from the infield, that should be the stuff of legend). Then again, every time Figgins watches a low-and-away pitch go by I’ll be thinking Beltre would’ve swung at that as if he was asleep (and dreaming he had longer arms, or something). I am going to miss this though (and I look forward to a lot of oblivious Boston fans asking why he “just started” doing it).

  84. firova2 on January 5th, 2010 12:33 pm

    Beltre did nothing but play hard while he was a Mariner. I just wish he wants to be a Mariner more than he wants to play for Boston, because he’s the best third baseman the team has ever had.

  85. jryoung222 on January 5th, 2010 1:21 pm

    Action-reaction: With Beltre in at Boston, there’s no place for Kotchman, so where does he go? Seattle! (according to ESPN). Not bad. He’s cheap, still young. Would like to see his OBP increase a bit, but it’s not terrible, and he’s had a couple of .350+ seasons.

  86. Ralph_Malph on January 5th, 2010 1:46 pm

    Beltre did nothing but play hard while he was a Mariner. I just wish he wants to be a Mariner more than he wants to play for Boston, because he’s the best third baseman the team has ever had.

    I love Beltre, but you’re forgetting a guy who has a street named after him outside the stadium. Sure, he spent most of his career as a DH, but he did play 563 games as a 3B.

  87. ninjasintheoutfield on January 5th, 2010 3:13 pm

    Ya!! Something tells me the those insufferable sox fans might have a little problem first time 29 asks the 1st base ump to ring him up in Fenway…….

  88. firova2 on January 5th, 2010 4:53 pm

    Beltre was a superior third baseman to the (underrated) Martinez. Bats? Another story, of course.

  89. Gary in Indiana on January 5th, 2010 10:21 pm

    Well, as a Red Sox fan I have to say I’m elated to have Beltre in the fold. From my standpoint the biggest thing this acquisition did for us was to eliminate the possibility of trading for Alex Gonzalez and giving up way too much for him.

    The Padres wanted CF Jacoby Ellsbury, SP Clay Buccholz and one of our top three prospects (Anderson/Westmorland/Kelly). That was WAY too much to give up.

    With Beltre we keep those players and only have to move one to make room for him. The good news for you Seattle fans is that we’re moving that player to the Mariners.

    Casey Kotchman, one of my favorites in Boston is heading to the great Northwest for a minor leaguer. Kotch is not only a good first baseman and decent hitter but also just a great guy to have in your clubhouse. While I’ll miss him, I’m happy he’ll get the chance to play every day instead of being a reserve utility infielder for us.

    Let’s all hope these moves help everyone involved. ;o)

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